You're listening to mornings with Eric and Bridget again. Bridget? Not here. Jill. Sitting in this week right here on Moody Radio 89.3.

You're listening to mornings with Eric and Bridget again. Bridget? Not here. Jill. Sitting in this week right here on Moody Radio 89.3.

You know, there are some days that you wake up and you just feel ready to seize the day. You feel so good, you're ready to go. And then there's other days when it's exactly the opposite. And I think sometimes as believers, we assume.

You know, there are some days that you wake up and you just feel ready to seize the day. You feel so good, you're ready to go. And then there's other days when it's exactly the opposite. And I think sometimes as believers, we assume.

What time do you wake up?

What time do you wake up?

Well, that that is a very, very, very early time. Let's say I'm here at 4:00, but I'm up early. Yes, but there are just some days where we just are not feeling anything but good. And sometimes I think as believers, we assume that if we're pain free and things are going well, that, you know, God is really with us. And if we're in pain and going through difficulty, well, there must be something wrong. And that's why I'm really glad that we're going to have this conversation today with Pastor John. Thank you so much for joining us this morning on mornings with Eric and Bridget.

Well, that that is a very, very, very early time. Let's say I'm here at 4:00, but I'm up early. Yes, but there are just some days where we just are not feeling anything but good. And sometimes I think as believers, we assume that if we're pain free and things are going well, that, you know, God is really with us. And if we're in pain and going through difficulty, well, there must be something wrong. And that's why I'm really glad that we're going to have this conversation today with Pastor John. Thank you so much for joining us this morning on mornings with Eric and Bridget.

Absolutely glad to be here with you guys.

Absolutely glad to be here with you guys.

You know, as we were thinking about this topic, my thought went to we're told to have a childlike faith. This might be one of those places where having that childlike faith is important, because if I think back to when I was 6 or 7 years old and I was in pain, or I was in a situation where I felt uneasy, I wanted to be near my parents. Yeah. If I had a fever, I wanted to be near my mom because she would take care of me if something wasn't right in a situation. We were, you know, at a parking lot somewhere, and I just felt like there was something uneasy happening. I wanted to be near my dad. It that's where when it comes to pain, I think that same feeling I had as a 6 or 7 year old, I have to have as a believer now. I need to be near my dad, my Heavenly father, in those times.

You know, as we were thinking about this topic, my thought went to we're told to have a childlike faith. This might be one of those places where having that childlike faith is important, because if I think back to when I was 6 or 7 years old and I was in pain, or I was in a situation where I felt uneasy, I wanted to be near my parents. Yeah. If I had a fever, I wanted to be near my mom because she would take care of me if something wasn't right in a situation. We were, you know, at a parking lot somewhere, and I just felt like there was something uneasy happening. I wanted to be near my dad. It that's where when it comes to pain, I think that same feeling I had as a 6 or 7 year old, I have to have as a believer now. I need to be near my dad, my Heavenly father, in those times.

Absolutely. I think, uh, not only do we need to be near him, we need to adopt the father's perspective on our situations. Uh, we want to be with him in his presence. The only way we're going to grow. We want to run to him in prayer. It's the only way we're going to develop what he wants to develop in us and we have to go farther. Help me see this situation like you see it, so that I can understand what you're doing in the midst of it.

Absolutely. I think, uh, not only do we need to be near him, we need to adopt the father's perspective on our situations. Uh, we want to be with him in his presence. The only way we're going to grow. We want to run to him in prayer. It's the only way we're going to develop what he wants to develop in us and we have to go farther. Help me see this situation like you see it, so that I can understand what you're doing in the midst of it.

Well, you've been preaching through a really lengthy passage. I see your message was on James chapter one, verses two through four, but oh my goodness, is there so much in that?

Well, you've been preaching through a really lengthy passage. I see your message was on James chapter one, verses two through four, but oh my goodness, is there so much in that?

Absolutely. I think that James 1 to 2 and three. So some of you listeners know it by heart. I'll just read this the beginning. Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. And it goes on to talk about maturity. But I think those opening lines consider it pure joy. When you face trials or pain or problems is radically counterintuitive for a lot of us.

Absolutely. I think that James 1 to 2 and three. So some of you listeners know it by heart. I'll just read this the beginning. Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. And it goes on to talk about maturity. But I think those opening lines consider it pure joy. When you face trials or pain or problems is radically counterintuitive for a lot of us.

Yeah. And part of the problem is we're looking at life. Someone once said, you have a camera and you're taking pictures in one direction. If you tilt the camera another way, you might be missing the sunset over here because you're taking a picture of, you know, the bird over here or whatever. You just need to change your perspective and you might see something even more glorious than where your camera angle is right now. That's where we are when it comes to pain with our when we're walking through life. We're looking at the camera angle here and seeing, this is this is killing me. But if we turn our camera angle to what you're saying, our Heavenly Father's perspective, it might be there to help us grow in many ways.

Yeah. And part of the problem is we're looking at life. Someone once said, you have a camera and you're taking pictures in one direction. If you tilt the camera another way, you might be missing the sunset over here because you're taking a picture of, you know, the bird over here or whatever. You just need to change your perspective and you might see something even more glorious than where your camera angle is right now. That's where we are when it comes to pain with our when we're walking through life. We're looking at the camera angle here and seeing, this is this is killing me. But if we turn our camera angle to what you're saying, our Heavenly Father's perspective, it might be there to help us grow in many ways.

Absolutely. You know, I remember when thinking in perspective when I was younger, they had these five D pictures. I don't know if anybody remembers this. There were like little postcards, greeting cards. There were five D and you looked at it one perspective and it's just a mismatch mishmash of colors and patterns and all this. And then you had a shift you'd like bring it to your nose, bring it slowly away. Your eyes would look at it in a different way, kind of like you're shifting camera perspective that you described. And when you did that, you saw something else like this little 3D image would pop out of it. And that one shift in perspective changed what you were seeing. And a lot of us, when we look at our pain, we see it one particular way and we have this natural reflex. And the father is saying, I need you to see it another way. I need you to understand I'm accomplishing something in the midst of this.

Absolutely. You know, I remember when thinking in perspective when I was younger, they had these five D pictures. I don't know if anybody remembers this. There were like little postcards, greeting cards. There were five D and you looked at it one perspective and it's just a mismatch mishmash of colors and patterns and all this. And then you had a shift you'd like bring it to your nose, bring it slowly away. Your eyes would look at it in a different way, kind of like you're shifting camera perspective that you described. And when you did that, you saw something else like this little 3D image would pop out of it. And that one shift in perspective changed what you were seeing. And a lot of us, when we look at our pain, we see it one particular way and we have this natural reflex. And the father is saying, I need you to see it another way. I need you to understand I'm accomplishing something in the midst of this.

Okay. But if we take that metaphor just a little bit farther, you really had to stare at that picture. You had to focus intently on it, or you would never see that thing pop out. And when it did, it popped out very visually, but without that intense staring. And I think that goes back to what we're saying here. We we keep our eyes in other places. We don't intently stare at what our Heavenly Father wants us to look at.

Okay. But if we take that metaphor just a little bit farther, you really had to stare at that picture. You had to focus intently on it, or you would never see that thing pop out. And when it did, it popped out very visually, but without that intense staring. And I think that goes back to what we're saying here. We we keep our eyes in other places. We don't intently stare at what our Heavenly Father wants us to look at.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that we we have to choose which that sort of intensity, that intention to go. I'm going to look at this different than I naturally do, because think about your natural reflection reflex when it comes to pain and problems. Ouch, ouch. And when I'm going through it, whether it's a financial issue or I'm dealing with a health issue or I'm dealing with the relationship tension or or something at my workplace, place. Oftentimes our reflex is not like James says, I want you to have a new perspective. It's joy. My reflex is oftentimes discouragement. It's anxiety. It's fear. It's why is this happening to me? I'm the Christian in my heathen friends don't experience this. And all of that. And so it does take that intention that you're describing to say, look, I have to look at this and make a choice to see it in a different way.

Yeah, absolutely. And I think that we we have to choose which that sort of intensity, that intention to go. I'm going to look at this different than I naturally do, because think about your natural reflection reflex when it comes to pain and problems. Ouch, ouch. And when I'm going through it, whether it's a financial issue or I'm dealing with a health issue or I'm dealing with the relationship tension or or something at my workplace, place. Oftentimes our reflex is not like James says, I want you to have a new perspective. It's joy. My reflex is oftentimes discouragement. It's anxiety. It's fear. It's why is this happening to me? I'm the Christian in my heathen friends don't experience this. And all of that. And so it does take that intention that you're describing to say, look, I have to look at this and make a choice to see it in a different way.

And it's so often that we just want to get out of whatever we're in. So our search is not, Lord, walk with me through it. But Lord, please get me out of this. How can we change our perspective in that?

And it's so often that we just want to get out of whatever we're in. So our search is not, Lord, walk with me through it. But Lord, please get me out of this. How can we change our perspective in that?

I think part of it is that we have to realize that God is actually doing something in the middle of it, and what he's doing in the middle of it, if we will allow him, is he's developing our character, which honestly, I say that. And so some of us might hear that and go, so what? Right. That does that doesn't move the needle for me. Um, and part of the reason for that is we don't live in a culture that necessarily values character. We live in a culture, I think that often values, values, accomplishments over character, you know? And I mean, think about even like sports, sometimes you'll have a sports figure who does an incredible, has incredible accomplishments on the field. But off the field there's no character. And we cheer like, yeah, but God has a different perspective. So God's like character matters and the interior life matters. And so what God is developing in us in the midst of it, the character that he wants to draw out is something beautiful, and it is something that we should desire and be joyful for.

I think part of it is that we have to realize that God is actually doing something in the middle of it, and what he's doing in the middle of it, if we will allow him, is he's developing our character, which honestly, I say that. And so some of us might hear that and go, so what? Right. That does that doesn't move the needle for me. Um, and part of the reason for that is we don't live in a culture that necessarily values character. We live in a culture, I think that often values, values, accomplishments over character, you know? And I mean, think about even like sports, sometimes you'll have a sports figure who does an incredible, has incredible accomplishments on the field. But off the field there's no character. And we cheer like, yeah, but God has a different perspective. So God's like character matters and the interior life matters. And so what God is developing in us in the midst of it, the character that he wants to draw out is something beautiful, and it is something that we should desire and be joyful for.

One of the words you have here is perseverance. Yeah. Scripture uses that word. How do okay. What's your definition of perseverance, I guess. And then how does Jesus draw it out of us?

One of the words you have here is perseverance. Yeah. Scripture uses that word. How do okay. What's your definition of perseverance, I guess. And then how does Jesus draw it out of us?

Yeah. So perseverance is this idea that I'm able to get through the situation that I'm going through, and I'm I'm going to continue to go. I'm just going to keep going. Um, if I, you know, some of our listeners might be marathon runners, I am not I can hardly I walk A5K. You did A5K the other day. I walk A5K. Um, and if I wanted to become a marathon runner, what it would take was perseverance, right? And what? That. But the only way to do it. And this is how God draws it out of us. The only way to get that, that perseverance to get all the way through a marathon is I have to deal with the pain in small, small pain and keep going. So I've got to run for five minutes, and when I get winded, I got to keep going and the next day keep going. And over time I develop muscles and I develop a new skill and my capacity to endure gets stronger. And it's the same thing in the Christian life when we hit a challenge, when we run to the Lord in prayer, like you were describing with the father when we were seeking him with God's people. And we keep going and we keep going, those small actions of continuing to go develop something beautiful in us, a strength so that we can handle larger issues down the road.

Yeah. So perseverance is this idea that I'm able to get through the situation that I'm going through, and I'm I'm going to continue to go. I'm just going to keep going. Um, if I, you know, some of our listeners might be marathon runners, I am not I can hardly I walk A5K. You did A5K the other day. I walk A5K. Um, and if I wanted to become a marathon runner, what it would take was perseverance, right? And what? That. But the only way to do it. And this is how God draws it out of us. The only way to get that, that perseverance to get all the way through a marathon is I have to deal with the pain in small, small pain and keep going. So I've got to run for five minutes, and when I get winded, I got to keep going and the next day keep going. And over time I develop muscles and I develop a new skill and my capacity to endure gets stronger. And it's the same thing in the Christian life when we hit a challenge, when we run to the Lord in prayer, like you were describing with the father when we were seeking him with God's people. And we keep going and we keep going, those small actions of continuing to go develop something beautiful in us, a strength so that we can handle larger issues down the road.

And I think what's so beautiful about all of this is that it's not something that Jesus is asking us to do on our own. It's actually something he demonstrated for us and he walks with us, with us through it. How important is that?

And I think what's so beautiful about all of this is that it's not something that Jesus is asking us to do on our own. It's actually something he demonstrated for us and he walks with us, with us through it. How important is that?

Yeah, I love the idea that he is both our example and our empowerer. Right. So Jesus is this beautiful example of perseverance. I mean, think about all the the challenges he went through and he continues to go to the father. He'll wake up early and spend time in prayer. Right? He's he's communing with the father. And he, when he went to heaven, gave us the Holy Spirit. So it's not just about our own grit and determination and our own ability. Because I don't know about you. Sometimes I feel like I don't have the strength. And so what it is, is saying, Holy Spirit, I need you right now in the middle of my pain, in the middle of my relationship trial, in the middle of my health scare, to give me the strength to keep going. And I'm going to believe that as you do that. Um, that is that you're developing something beautiful in me.

Yeah, I love the idea that he is both our example and our empowerer. Right. So Jesus is this beautiful example of perseverance. I mean, think about all the the challenges he went through and he continues to go to the father. He'll wake up early and spend time in prayer. Right? He's he's communing with the father. And he, when he went to heaven, gave us the Holy Spirit. So it's not just about our own grit and determination and our own ability. Because I don't know about you. Sometimes I feel like I don't have the strength. And so what it is, is saying, Holy Spirit, I need you right now in the middle of my pain, in the middle of my relationship trial, in the middle of my health scare, to give me the strength to keep going. And I'm going to believe that as you do that. Um, that is that you're developing something beautiful in me.

You know, you say, keep going, but let me just back up a second, because pain is also an indicator of stopping. If let's take the runner again in the marathon. If all of a sudden you get a shooting pain up your leg and you realize that you just pulled an Achilles. Yeah, or ripped it or something, right? If that happens, your body is telling you you need to stop. Something's wrong here. Sometimes as we're going through pain, the Lord's saying, you need to stop. Something's wrong here. You need to correct what's going on. I think it's yeah, it's pushing through. But sometimes that pushing through there needs to be something corrected in the midst of that, right?

You know, you say, keep going, but let me just back up a second, because pain is also an indicator of stopping. If let's take the runner again in the marathon. If all of a sudden you get a shooting pain up your leg and you realize that you just pulled an Achilles. Yeah, or ripped it or something, right? If that happens, your body is telling you you need to stop. Something's wrong here. Sometimes as we're going through pain, the Lord's saying, you need to stop. Something's wrong here. You need to correct what's going on. I think it's yeah, it's pushing through. But sometimes that pushing through there needs to be something corrected in the midst of that, right?

Absolutely. Sometimes the way that God develops character in us is us stopping and us slowing down. I've had moments like that, seasons like that, health issues where I was running 100 miles an hour and the pain or the trial. That's what James is talking about. The trial in my case forced me to to sideline for a while. And and that can actually be more painful internally when you're when you're someone who's trying who's who likes to run 100 miles an hour, that is really difficult. And yet, in the midst of that slowing down, in the midst of that, having to be sidelined for a while, it allows us to go to the Lord and say, what are you doing here? And and he can develop something in us through that as well. So yes, sometimes it's powering through and sometimes we have to slow down. But in the midst of all that, it's the sovereignty of God, right? So he is he's leading us. And however that looks like every situation is different all throughout the whole thing. Here's the promise. He's doing something, developing something of character in us to conform us to the image of Jesus. And that's the joy.

Absolutely. Sometimes the way that God develops character in us is us stopping and us slowing down. I've had moments like that, seasons like that, health issues where I was running 100 miles an hour and the pain or the trial. That's what James is talking about. The trial in my case forced me to to sideline for a while. And and that can actually be more painful internally when you're when you're someone who's trying who's who likes to run 100 miles an hour, that is really difficult. And yet, in the midst of that slowing down, in the midst of that, having to be sidelined for a while, it allows us to go to the Lord and say, what are you doing here? And and he can develop something in us through that as well. So yes, sometimes it's powering through and sometimes we have to slow down. But in the midst of all that, it's the sovereignty of God, right? So he is he's leading us. And however that looks like every situation is different all throughout the whole thing. Here's the promise. He's doing something, developing something of character in us to conform us to the image of Jesus. And that's the joy.

Oh, that's such a good reminder. And I'm actually, um, I as I was looking at your notes, I realized you titled your sermon Still Waters, Green Pastures A New Perspective on Pain. Can you tell me why you came up with that, uh, reasoning behind the pain that we experience?

Oh, that's such a good reminder. And I'm actually, um, I as I was looking at your notes, I realized you titled your sermon Still Waters, Green Pastures A New Perspective on Pain. Can you tell me why you came up with that, uh, reasoning behind the pain that we experience?

So the series is still waters, green pastures. It was like, how do we take hold of the peace of God for our lives? Uh, because I think oftentimes there's a gap in our lives between the promise of peace that we see in the Scripture and the experience of peace that we have. I mean, Psalm 23, he'll lead us by still waters and green pastures. And oftentimes we don't feel that. And so in this particular perspective, it's how we are able to take hold of God's peace. One of the ways, by understanding that something is happening in the midst of our trials and our pain. So when I realize that it's not random, we don't we don't live in a randomized universe. We live in a universe that is ruled by a sovereign God. That this God who's ruling all things and bending the course of human history to his will, sees me individually and in the midst of my problems and pain. He's with us, with me, and he's growing me. Then I can have peace because it's not just a random series of events. And that that perspective. I'll choose joy. It'll develop peace in me because I understand he's taking me through it. All right.

So the series is still waters, green pastures. It was like, how do we take hold of the peace of God for our lives? Uh, because I think oftentimes there's a gap in our lives between the promise of peace that we see in the Scripture and the experience of peace that we have. I mean, Psalm 23, he'll lead us by still waters and green pastures. And oftentimes we don't feel that. And so in this particular perspective, it's how we are able to take hold of God's peace. One of the ways, by understanding that something is happening in the midst of our trials and our pain. So when I realize that it's not random, we don't we don't live in a randomized universe. We live in a universe that is ruled by a sovereign God. That this God who's ruling all things and bending the course of human history to his will, sees me individually and in the midst of my problems and pain. He's with us, with me, and he's growing me. Then I can have peace because it's not just a random series of events. And that that perspective. I'll choose joy. It'll develop peace in me because I understand he's taking me through it. All right.

Practically. My life is raging waters and weeds. Yeah, right. There's no pasture. I can't find pasture. I find weeds and raging waters. What can I practically do today to get me to that perseverance? That that maturity we're looking for what's a what's a step? And sometimes that marathon is a slog and you're just running through mud. How do I get that next step even taken?

Practically. My life is raging waters and weeds. Yeah, right. There's no pasture. I can't find pasture. I find weeds and raging waters. What can I practically do today to get me to that perseverance? That that maturity we're looking for what's a what's a step? And sometimes that marathon is a slog and you're just running through mud. How do I get that next step even taken?

I think it's a beautiful question. A few things. One of them is I need to be with God's people. I need to be surrounded by God's people. I have a deep conviction, and some of us may already be doing this, but I have a deep conviction that isolation is one of the the biggest drivers of me not going the distance and and falling off the wayside. We need other people. So I would surround myself with godly people. The church of course, right in worship on a regular basis. And then beyond that, relationships with people who are in my life who are cheering me on because, you know, let's take the marathon example, right. Sometimes you need to see your family on the sidelines, your friends holding up the sign. Keep going. That allows you the strength. So one of them, I think we need God's people. This is the design of God, that the church is part of that. The second thing is we need God's presence. We need God's presence. I would say, if you're listening right now and you're going through a difficult trial, and it does not feel like still waters and green pastures. It's weeds and raging waters. Can I encourage you to take some time today? Maybe during lunch? Maybe it's before you go to sleep. Turn off your cell phone. Turn off the television. Turn off Netflix, open up the scriptures and just say, Lord, I need your presence. And spend time. And then keep going back to the well of the Word of God and the well of prayer, because those are the places that anchor us. And oftentimes in trials, those are the things we throw out because we're so busy and we're so stressed. And all this, no, no, no, that's what we need.

I think it's a beautiful question. A few things. One of them is I need to be with God's people. I need to be surrounded by God's people. I have a deep conviction, and some of us may already be doing this, but I have a deep conviction that isolation is one of the the biggest drivers of me not going the distance and and falling off the wayside. We need other people. So I would surround myself with godly people. The church of course, right in worship on a regular basis. And then beyond that, relationships with people who are in my life who are cheering me on because, you know, let's take the marathon example, right. Sometimes you need to see your family on the sidelines, your friends holding up the sign. Keep going. That allows you the strength. So one of them, I think we need God's people. This is the design of God, that the church is part of that. The second thing is we need God's presence. We need God's presence. I would say, if you're listening right now and you're going through a difficult trial, and it does not feel like still waters and green pastures. It's weeds and raging waters. Can I encourage you to take some time today? Maybe during lunch? Maybe it's before you go to sleep. Turn off your cell phone. Turn off the television. Turn off Netflix, open up the scriptures and just say, Lord, I need your presence. And spend time. And then keep going back to the well of the Word of God and the well of prayer, because those are the places that anchor us. And oftentimes in trials, those are the things we throw out because we're so busy and we're so stressed. And all this, no, no, no, that's what we need.

As we're talking with John Elswick of Crossway Church in Davie, and even as you're talking about being with God's people, there's someone listening right now that says, I don't even know what you're talking about. This, this peace, this still waters. I can't even imagine having that in my life. Talk to that person who doesn't yet know Jesus as Savior.

As we're talking with John Elswick of Crossway Church in Davie, and even as you're talking about being with God's people, there's someone listening right now that says, I don't even know what you're talking about. This, this peace, this still waters. I can't even imagine having that in my life. Talk to that person who doesn't yet know Jesus as Savior.

The most important step to experiencing peace is having peace with God. And so if someone's listening and they're like, well, what does that even look like? I feel far from God. Maybe I feel like God's forgotten me. Does God even know that I'm listening to this as I'm driving in my car? The answer is yes, that there is a God who created you and loves you. There is a God who wants a relationship with you, and you can have a relationship with him through His Son, Jesus. And so, step one you cannot have peace in life in any real, lasting way without peace with God through Jesus. And so it begins with just admitting our sin, believing that Jesus died and rose again for us, and choosing and confessing that he's Lord. I'm going to follow him. And I actually believe that even as someone's listening right now, if you've never taken that step that there God sees and knows and he's with you. And if even now you would pause and say, God, I need you, he will meet you. This is the God we serve. Like he's not aloof and afar. He's right here and he'll meet you. And that's the beginning of peace.

The most important step to experiencing peace is having peace with God. And so if someone's listening and they're like, well, what does that even look like? I feel far from God. Maybe I feel like God's forgotten me. Does God even know that I'm listening to this as I'm driving in my car? The answer is yes, that there is a God who created you and loves you. There is a God who wants a relationship with you, and you can have a relationship with him through His Son, Jesus. And so, step one you cannot have peace in life in any real, lasting way without peace with God through Jesus. And so it begins with just admitting our sin, believing that Jesus died and rose again for us, and choosing and confessing that he's Lord. I'm going to follow him. And I actually believe that even as someone's listening right now, if you've never taken that step that there God sees and knows and he's with you. And if even now you would pause and say, God, I need you, he will meet you. This is the God we serve. Like he's not aloof and afar. He's right here and he'll meet you. And that's the beginning of peace.

Yeah. I was reading, um, Solomon dedicating the temple. And in that dedication prayer, he says something to the effect of how can the world contain how? How can this temple contain God? How can the world even contain God? The fact is, he came to us. That's what's remarkable, is he was saying that he couldn't fathom how this was going to happen. But God came. Jesus came on earth to live that perfect life. We could not live and become our our rescuer. And that's remarkable. That's absolutely remarkable. If you want to find out more about that, what that means to have a relationship with Jesus, what it means to believe in faith in him, we've got a text line set up for you. Text the word Jesus (561) 737-6035. There's information there. You can watch video. You can read a few things. There's a phone number to call if you'd like. (561) 737-6035. Text the word Jesus. Pastor. Thanks for coming in this morning. This has been really encouraging.

Yeah. I was reading, um, Solomon dedicating the temple. And in that dedication prayer, he says something to the effect of how can the world contain how? How can this temple contain God? How can the world even contain God? The fact is, he came to us. That's what's remarkable, is he was saying that he couldn't fathom how this was going to happen. But God came. Jesus came on earth to live that perfect life. We could not live and become our our rescuer. And that's remarkable. That's absolutely remarkable. If you want to find out more about that, what that means to have a relationship with Jesus, what it means to believe in faith in him, we've got a text line set up for you. Text the word Jesus (561) 737-6035. There's information there. You can watch video. You can read a few things. There's a phone number to call if you'd like. (561) 737-6035. Text the word Jesus. Pastor. Thanks for coming in this morning. This has been really encouraging.

What an encouragement and let's continue to pursue peace through him.

What an encouragement and let's continue to pursue peace through him.

Find out more also about Crossway Church at our website. Eric and Bridget.

Find out more also about Crossway Church at our website. Eric and Bridget.