All right, it is Monday, July eighth, twenty nineteen. Welcome to the first episode of Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas. I am the host of this program along with my trustee Stephen Padawan. This is Brian Canna about Padawan.

All right, it is Monday, July eighth, twenty nineteen. Welcome to the first episode of Morning Combat. My name is Luke Thomas. I am the host of this program along with my trustee Stephen Padawan. This is Brian Canna about Padawan.

But you know, I like to start off on an equal plan.

But you know, I like to start off on an equal plan.

You can be like Anakin Skywalker. You can be on the Jedi Council, but you don't get the title.

You can be like Anakin Skywalker. You can be on the Jedi Council, but you don't get the title.

And I will turn on you just like him. All right, here we go, and.

And I will turn on you just like him. All right, here we go, and.

We are in a van down by the river, if you can judge by the set here. So we appreciate you guys tuning in. What is Morning Combat? Well, we are gonna be starting off your week the right way. This is gonna be your water cooler moment. This is gonna be two experienced media pros, albeit to Jabroni's Nevertheless, we're gonna get you guys a perspective that I don't think it's gonna come with digestion after all the weekends fights. It's gonna come with a little bit of media savvy from having years have covered this. It's going to be your first moment to start your week off the right way talking about things in a candid, truthful way, which, by the way, a lot of people in MMA media don't want to do. We will do that, and by the way, now I will.

We are in a van down by the river, if you can judge by the set here. So we appreciate you guys tuning in. What is Morning Combat? Well, we are gonna be starting off your week the right way. This is gonna be your water cooler moment. This is gonna be two experienced media pros, albeit to Jabroni's Nevertheless, we're gonna get you guys a perspective that I don't think it's gonna come with digestion after all the weekends fights. It's gonna come with a little bit of media savvy from having years have covered this. It's going to be your first moment to start your week off the right way talking about things in a candid, truthful way, which, by the way, a lot of people in MMA media don't want to do. We will do that, and by the way, now I will.

Bring truth no holds barred too, by the way, not just media.

Bring truth no holds barred too, by the way, not just media.

We'll talk about some boxing stuff as well, if you're just if you're just joining us. I just put out the announcement thirty and a seconds ago on Twitter. I haven't gotten to all the details yet, so I'll just say this very quickly. Yes, I am now with Showtime. I'm in the Showtime family. I'm very excited about it, a little bit nervous about it, especially since they kidnapped us and put us in some kind of a dungeon.

We'll talk about some boxing stuff as well, if you're just if you're just joining us. I just put out the announcement thirty and a seconds ago on Twitter. I haven't gotten to all the details yet, so I'll just say this very quickly. Yes, I am now with Showtime. I'm in the Showtime family. I'm very excited about it, a little bit nervous about it, especially since they kidnapped us and put us in some kind of a dungeon.

And I know when I got in, I hooked the left I think it was two to one, and Lewis the others.

And I know when I got in, I hooked the left I think it was two to one, and Lewis the others.

We're shooting dice. I was like, let's do this.

We're shooting dice. I was like, let's do this.

You know this is really I was looking for a step up. I don't know. I don't know if I made the right call. We're going to find out here, Brian, but we're going to see put in. No, I'm in all seriousness. I'm actually incredibly excited. I was looking for the right kind of opportunity to for the next for the next stage of my career, and I couldn't imagine doing it at any other place other than Showtime. And have been below the belt with Brendan Schobbs here on his channel and so forth. Lots more stuff coming. This is just the very first day. We're going to get some decoration here, maybe some air conditioned, maybe some sunlight, who knows, but there'll be a lot of stuff coming.

You know this is really I was looking for a step up. I don't know. I don't know if I made the right call. We're going to find out here, Brian, but we're going to see put in. No, I'm in all seriousness. I'm actually incredibly excited. I was looking for the right kind of opportunity to for the next for the next stage of my career, and I couldn't imagine doing it at any other place other than Showtime. And have been below the belt with Brendan Schobbs here on his channel and so forth. Lots more stuff coming. This is just the very first day. We're going to get some decoration here, maybe some air conditioned, maybe some sunlight, who knows, but there'll be a lot of stuff coming.

There's big news for you though. Congratulations, it is big news.

There's big news for you though. Congratulations, it is big news.

It is big news. I'm actually really excited about I've been sitting on it for a little bit and yeah, yeah, I am. I'm And by the way, quick thanks if we can just then we'll get the show started to a lot of people involved at Showtime. No man more so than mister Brendan chob He has been a believer in my work and a believer in me, and it's been a thrill to get his support. So thank you. I really appreciate it. Also, come back from vacation, slacker. Okay, all right, you ready, sir.

It is big news. I'm actually really excited about I've been sitting on it for a little bit and yeah, yeah, I am. I'm And by the way, quick thanks if we can just then we'll get the show started to a lot of people involved at Showtime. No man more so than mister Brendan chob He has been a believer in my work and a believer in me, and it's been a thrill to get his support. So thank you. I really appreciate it. Also, come back from vacation, slacker. Okay, all right, you ready, sir.

I'm ready, bro.

I'm ready, bro.

Let's do it.

Let's do it.

Long life without fair. You put in five carrots and your baby girls there.

Long life without fair. You put in five carrots and your baby girls there.

I certainly am let's get it going here. UFC two thirty nine happened over the weekend you were there.

I certainly am let's get it going here. UFC two thirty nine happened over the weekend you were there.

I was put it in my veins, brother.

I was put it in my veins, brother.

I mean I've been to two cards this year YEA Atlanta for the Gasola Mout of Sonya Love Fest.

I mean I've been to two cards this year YEA Atlanta for the Gasola Mout of Sonya Love Fest.

Yeah this one. Wow.

Yeah this one. Wow.

What a time to be alive.

What a time to be alive.

So let's talk about it now. Normally what people might do is they might start with the main event. I do not wish to do that today. Brian Campbell. It wasn't that, it wasn't impactful, It wasn't that there's nothing to discuss about it. We will get to it, but do let's just start where the show starts. Jorge Masvidal. What an incredible performance that he had against Ben Askrin, winning at five seconds. You were their cage side, very very quickly. Just tell me, can you can you give the listeners and the viewers here any kind of sense of what the atmosphere was like, not after the knee landed, me lands two extra shots and then he's taunting, what is the feeling inside the T mobile?

So let's talk about it now. Normally what people might do is they might start with the main event. I do not wish to do that today. Brian Campbell. It wasn't that, it wasn't impactful, It wasn't that there's nothing to discuss about it. We will get to it, but do let's just start where the show starts. Jorge Masvidal. What an incredible performance that he had against Ben Askrin, winning at five seconds. You were their cage side, very very quickly. Just tell me, can you can you give the listeners and the viewers here any kind of sense of what the atmosphere was like, not after the knee landed, me lands two extra shots and then he's taunting, what is the feeling inside the T mobile?

That ish craziness is really where you're going on the same night that the greatest of all time on the male and female side. We're in the biggest part of the year. This beloved backyard brawler wins the night with really like one of the most iconic moments they know. White called the most iconic part, one of the most absurd, ridiculous. From the standpoint of middle Finger, f U's and the meme generation that we're in right now, the troll generation, this was the ultimate something that would happen outside of the rink, something wuld that happened at your job, at your school yard moment, but yet it happened in the UFC cage on the biggest night of the year.

That ish craziness is really where you're going on the same night that the greatest of all time on the male and female side. We're in the biggest part of the year. This beloved backyard brawler wins the night with really like one of the most iconic moments they know. White called the most iconic part, one of the most absurd, ridiculous. From the standpoint of middle Finger, f U's and the meme generation that we're in right now, the troll generation, this was the ultimate something that would happen outside of the rink, something wuld that happened at your job, at your school yard moment, but yet it happened in the UFC cage on the biggest night of the year.

So the question we wanted to sort of tackle the start is where does that rank as an all time UFC moment. Let me go back to an interview that Lorenzo Fertita did with The Atlantic magazine many many years ago. He was still with the company at the time. Let's say, I'm gonna I'm gonna I could be wrong about this, Let's say circa twenty eleven, twenty twelve, somewhere in there. The year is irrelevant because the point he made was the one that has stuck with me all this time. When he talked about what made MMA special and really He was not talking about their competitors. He was talking about the UFC, although it does extend beyond the UFC brand. But when you get the high stakes nature of you know, we'll talk about in just a second whether or not the winner of this fight, it's a title shot. He made a claim that I thought was the best approximation of understanding what makes a UFC moment, And the answer is if after it happens, you're yelling, oh shit, did it have an O shit moment? And there is absolutely no denying. People were texting me, the crowd went crazy. Look at how many videos were made on YouTube. Social media was set a blaze with all of the merely the repetition of the five seconds, but then also everyone remixing the video for their own purposes, whether to taunt Ben or to promote Jorge. Then Jorge afterwards has his own moments at the press conference where he just doubles down on that. What's another condication you had a UFC moment if it gives life to other subsequent moments, which this absolutely did. And the last thing I think I would say Brian Campbell about this and assessing it is I went back and I looked at different rankings that folks had, just individual rankings, what made their top UFC moments? You can, and you should include submissions in there, right ChIL Son and getting submitted by Anderson Silva high chail. We worked it out, we're friends now, it's okay. I'm simply pointing out an important moment. Even how about this brock Lesner submitting Shane Carwin. However, the majority of the time it comes from a thrilling knockout shot, whether it's a headkick or a punch. This checked all.

So the question we wanted to sort of tackle the start is where does that rank as an all time UFC moment. Let me go back to an interview that Lorenzo Fertita did with The Atlantic magazine many many years ago. He was still with the company at the time. Let's say, I'm gonna I'm gonna I could be wrong about this, Let's say circa twenty eleven, twenty twelve, somewhere in there. The year is irrelevant because the point he made was the one that has stuck with me all this time. When he talked about what made MMA special and really He was not talking about their competitors. He was talking about the UFC, although it does extend beyond the UFC brand. But when you get the high stakes nature of you know, we'll talk about in just a second whether or not the winner of this fight, it's a title shot. He made a claim that I thought was the best approximation of understanding what makes a UFC moment, And the answer is if after it happens, you're yelling, oh shit, did it have an O shit moment? And there is absolutely no denying. People were texting me, the crowd went crazy. Look at how many videos were made on YouTube. Social media was set a blaze with all of the merely the repetition of the five seconds, but then also everyone remixing the video for their own purposes, whether to taunt Ben or to promote Jorge. Then Jorge afterwards has his own moments at the press conference where he just doubles down on that. What's another condication you had a UFC moment if it gives life to other subsequent moments, which this absolutely did. And the last thing I think I would say Brian Campbell about this and assessing it is I went back and I looked at different rankings that folks had, just individual rankings, what made their top UFC moments? You can, and you should include submissions in there, right ChIL Son and getting submitted by Anderson Silva high chail. We worked it out, we're friends now, it's okay. I'm simply pointing out an important moment. Even how about this brock Lesner submitting Shane Carwin. However, the majority of the time it comes from a thrilling knockout shot, whether it's a headkick or a punch. This checked all.

So what you're saying is when UFC retools that Boba O'Reilly theme song highlight package they do before the time of the.

So what you're saying is when UFC retools that Boba O'Reilly theme song highlight package they do before the time of the.

Main how do you not put it's the fastest k on UFC history happen not What is the peak moment in that song they're using right now?

Main how do you not put it's the fastest k on UFC history happen not What is the peak moment in that song they're using right now?

Is it?

Is it?

Is it Matt us a slam on Frank Trigg or is it Holly Holmes head kicked aroutset like the.

Is it Matt us a slam on Frank Trigg or is it Holly Holmes head kicked aroutset like the.

Peak moment of that, you might have your new moment.

Peak moment of that, you might have your new moment.

This is the equivalent of like walk off grand slam, a full court buzzer beater, and a world star moment. All courencapsulated into one. And you know what I ultimately created. You know what the best thing this did. It created the Connor culture superstar, It really did. He Jorge Mosveld doesn't.

This is the equivalent of like walk off grand slam, a full court buzzer beater, and a world star moment. All courencapsulated into one. And you know what I ultimately created. You know what the best thing this did. It created the Connor culture superstar, It really did. He Jorge Mosveld doesn't.

Do the kind of antagonism that Connor does. He's the antidote. You know what he is?

Do the kind of antagonism that Connor does. He's the antidote. You know what he is?

Well, you know why.

Well, you know why.

Here's what he is. He's the new Diaz brother Well, that's what was say. He's the to the Connor.

Here's what he is. He's the new Diaz brother Well, that's what was say. He's the to the Connor.

You kind of got in the middle of this. Uh, I'm gonna say, I'm in the second trimester of my point right now. All right, the head's coming.

You kind of got in the middle of this. Uh, I'm gonna say, I'm in the second trimester of my point right now. All right, the head's coming.

Believe me. He has an opportunity to pass the Diaz Brothers.

Believe me. He has an opportunity to pass the Diaz Brothers.

Right now because he's active, he's in contention and this might and we'll get into it, this might elevate him to a tight shot where the ds Brothers, because of the relationship with Dana Whit and UFC, was never really able to capitalize on the buzz of becoming beloved. They were anti heroes, then they crossed over into beloved. Nate's brand went through the roof through two Connor fights and then he doesn't fight again for three years. Whereas Horney Monsmital is different than Connor. You're right, the reason why he's a real Connor culture superstar is because it's real. He's the realist fighter of anyone in the combat sports game.

Right now because he's active, he's in contention and this might and we'll get into it, this might elevate him to a tight shot where the ds Brothers, because of the relationship with Dana Whit and UFC, was never really able to capitalize on the buzz of becoming beloved. They were anti heroes, then they crossed over into beloved. Nate's brand went through the roof through two Connor fights and then he doesn't fight again for three years. Whereas Horney Monsmital is different than Connor. You're right, the reason why he's a real Connor culture superstar is because it's real. He's the realist fighter of anyone in the combat sports game.

Right now, Why don't you know why people love combat sports?

Right now, Why don't you know why people love combat sports?

Right?

Right?

We love it because, well, I like it for ridiculous reasons.

We love it because, well, I like it for ridiculous reasons.

We already know that you love it because you like to break it down like a sweet science, right.

We already know that you love it because you like to break it down like a sweet science, right.

Like you like to be doctor and go in front of the screen and do all.

Like you like to be doctor and go in front of the screen and do all.

The good stuff. Professor over Doctor will go okay.

The good stuff. Professor over Doctor will go okay.

But pay per views don't matter unless they crossed over and the crossover fans want something that is an extension of what they grew up with, which is an extension of a schoolyard fight office.

But pay per views don't matter unless they crossed over and the crossover fans want something that is an extension of what they grew up with, which is an extension of a schoolyard fight office.

I don't know where you work in your office where.

I don't know where you work in your office where.

There's fights, but you know what I'm saying, some extension of real life into the cage. It's why boxing and MMA relies on pro wrestling style promotional tool to get people into it. Jorge mosmital Is and that real dude, as proven by the three Punch Ofnesota he Leon Edwards with that doesn't seem to be about those things.

There's fights, but you know what I'm saying, some extension of real life into the cage. It's why boxing and MMA relies on pro wrestling style promotional tool to get people into it. Jorge mosmital Is and that real dude, as proven by the three Punch Ofnesota he Leon Edwards with that doesn't seem to be about those things.

Inside the cage where.

Inside the cage where.

They're selling you violence, but really it's athletes and it's businessmen coming together. The Floyd Mayweather era is all about athletes turning into business mans and figuring out, how do I make the most amount of money sometimes with the least amount of this No Horde Masmral is the backyard fighter who happened to climb the ranks in the title and if you talk us about him, he's going to get up in that a.

They're selling you violence, but really it's athletes and it's businessmen coming together. The Floyd Mayweather era is all about athletes turning into business mans and figuring out, how do I make the most amount of money sometimes with the least amount of this No Horde Masmral is the backyard fighter who happened to climb the ranks in the title and if you talk us about him, he's going to get up in that a.

This is the biggest star making win since Nate Diaz beat Connor. Now I'm not saying they're equivalent. That's not the point I'm making. I'm not suggesting to you that one is now going to be the exact same size as the other. That's not the point I'm trying to make. However, coming off of that win over Darren Till getting on the Joe Rogan experience, which of course amplified everything. And then look credit to Ben Askrin. Yes he took the l here quite literally. However, he is helping to raise the star power of Orge. Jorge finished the work, then goes in the press conference. I am telling you, I am telling you that, dude, you want to talk about UFC moments. It's not just a knockout, It's not just the time it's the clash of personalities. Everyone likes to see somebody who's a braggert gets shut up and for this guy who has been toiling, I want to say in obscurity but kind of always never breaking through and then to break through like this. It has Nate Diaz over Connor.

This is the biggest star making win since Nate Diaz beat Connor. Now I'm not saying they're equivalent. That's not the point I'm making. I'm not suggesting to you that one is now going to be the exact same size as the other. That's not the point I'm trying to make. However, coming off of that win over Darren Till getting on the Joe Rogan experience, which of course amplified everything. And then look credit to Ben Askrin. Yes he took the l here quite literally. However, he is helping to raise the star power of Orge. Jorge finished the work, then goes in the press conference. I am telling you, I am telling you that, dude, you want to talk about UFC moments. It's not just a knockout, It's not just the time it's the clash of personalities. Everyone likes to see somebody who's a braggert gets shut up and for this guy who has been toiling, I want to say in obscurity but kind of always never breaking through and then to break through like this. It has Nate Diaz over Connor.

But it's so platform that goes all over.

But it's so platform that goes all over.

This is UFC Fight Night and Boise. It's not getting that attention on ESPN.

This is UFC Fight Night and Boise. It's not getting that attention on ESPN.

Plus. This was arguably the biggest pay per view of the year.

Plus. This was arguably the biggest pay per view of the year.

The plottform matter and great matchmaking.

The plottform matter and great matchmaking.

The timing mattered, the fact that he's this close to a title shot, and reality mattered. He has a chance not to be a superstar, but to be combat sports first ghetto superstar in a while.

The timing mattered, the fact that he's this close to a title shot, and reality mattered. He has a chance not to be a superstar, but to be combat sports first ghetto superstar in a while.

Right they calling from Afar reason before the stars.

Right they calling from Afar reason before the stars.

They're calling him street Jesus. The game needs people who are athletes from college. The game needs Saint Pierre's. The game needs all of the people who are buttoned up. You know what. The game also needs it needs dudes from the street atitude yeah, who call it like they see it, who can't cut a promo because the way they talk is a promo. They couldn't do that. Other weird fiction if it tried. Jorgem Massdal is filling a gap left by the Diaz brothers. I absolutely believe that. I know Nate's coming back, and so maybe he'll recapture the throne and he's a much bigger star, I acknowledge. But Jorge Massital turned a major corner That tells you part of the reason why it's an, if not the all time moment in UFC history is certainly the last one, the biggest one in the last few years.

They're calling him street Jesus. The game needs people who are athletes from college. The game needs Saint Pierre's. The game needs all of the people who are buttoned up. You know what. The game also needs it needs dudes from the street atitude yeah, who call it like they see it, who can't cut a promo because the way they talk is a promo. They couldn't do that. Other weird fiction if it tried. Jorgem Massdal is filling a gap left by the Diaz brothers. I absolutely believe that. I know Nate's coming back, and so maybe he'll recapture the throne and he's a much bigger star, I acknowledge. But Jorge Massital turned a major corner That tells you part of the reason why it's an, if not the all time moment in UFC history is certainly the last one, the biggest one in the last few years.

I mean, is it the greatest knockout? Can we can we put some definition on that, because when.

I mean, is it the greatest knockout? Can we can we put some definition on that, because when.

When Yayi Rodriguez knocked out Korean Zombie in the UFC twenty five card in December, it was the timing one second to go in the fifth round of an all action fight, it was just sort of the perfect storm.

When Yayi Rodriguez knocked out Korean Zombie in the UFC twenty five card in December, it was the timing one second to go in the fifth round of an all action fight, it was just sort of the perfect storm.

This isn't even more perfect storm. It's it's the.

This isn't even more perfect storm. It's it's the.

Equivalent of running across the cage, throwing the first punch and you knocked the guy cold. Only it's even better because it was set up in the you know, beforehand an American top team. Those videos are leaking Dustin Poorie is on Twitter saying this is something we actually practice, we knew Ben might shoot to open the match.

Equivalent of running across the cage, throwing the first punch and you knocked the guy cold. Only it's even better because it was set up in the you know, beforehand an American top team. Those videos are leaking Dustin Poorie is on Twitter saying this is something we actually practice, we knew Ben might shoot to open the match.

He comes out. It was just perfection.

He comes out. It was just perfection.

It was perfection. Where I would rank it, I would say top three, I don't I'd have to think more about it if I ranked it one plus. It's almost individual criteria. But they ain't a damn thing wrong with it, except there was Brian a little bit of controversy. So let's get into it. So after the knockout shot, where Ascron is clearly I mean, he felt like a mannequin a lla Terry Edam against Edson Morposa. Right, you're just frozen. So this is a scary situation to me, by the way, it was scary enough where like I was surprised they didn't bring him out in the stretcher. And I'm not saying that to be to be lugubrious.

It was perfection. Where I would rank it, I would say top three, I don't I'd have to think more about it if I ranked it one plus. It's almost individual criteria. But they ain't a damn thing wrong with it, except there was Brian a little bit of controversy. So let's get into it. So after the knockout shot, where Ascron is clearly I mean, he felt like a mannequin a lla Terry Edam against Edson Morposa. Right, you're just frozen. So this is a scary situation to me, by the way, it was scary enough where like I was surprised they didn't bring him out in the stretcher. And I'm not saying that to be to be lugubrious.

The only comparison I'll make to it is Manny Pacio in the fourth one Market Fun, where for fifty five seconds he's out cold and you're starting to get into that territory.

The only comparison I'll make to it is Manny Pacio in the fourth one Market Fun, where for fifty five seconds he's out cold and you're starting to get into that territory.

We're like, will he ever be the same?

We're like, will he ever be the same?

Right?

Right?

Is it morning combat fatality? Like where are we on this right?

Is it morning combat fatality? Like where are we on this right?

Right? So mercifully he didn't. He walked by press row. He still didn't look great walking by press row. He has since taking to social media, it seems to be and let's say, somewhat better spirits. And obviously we hope he's okay physically. But I saw people saying that Jorge A hitting him with the two shots afterwards and then taunting him, then getting at the press conference and expressing no remorse whatsoever was bad behavior. And I have to tell you I found this racle number one, just by the rule set, he was well within his right to punch Askron in the face after he had chaot him. Maybe you could say that he should issue some restraint, but he is not obligated to whatever the rules are that the referee has to intervene. That's on Jason Herzog okay number one. But let's talk about the other parts where he is taunting him and then he falls like a mannekin himself and then again at the press conference absolutely getting after it. Was it unsportsmanlike? And the answer is, of course it was. Here are a couple of sad realities you have to face. Number One, unsportsmanlike conduct is partly what makes combat sports what it is. And yes, there can go too far where people start getting into where they start agitating about religions, and then he gets a little bit weird and unnerving, and where you draw that line, I get as different. But here's the point I wanted to make. If you're a casual fan and you watch baseball and you're ready for the upcoming All Star Game, I get looking at this situation, WI your pieces falling out? Here you go first time, got it all right? I get looking at it and saying I don't like seeing this. If you're just somebody from that perspective, you have a right to be turned off if you are a Ben Askrin fan. The galling hypocrisy to say that what he did was classless and by the way, when they call him thug, definitely no racial overtones with that one is so nakedly ridiculous and hypocritical. The reason why you like Ben Askron is one because he's a talented welterweight and two because he number one, he mocked Darren till when he got KOed by Jorge Maspital, and he pokes the bear. I had him on my show previously when he joined the UFC Brian we went down the list and he was we're on showtime, right Jesus and Marrow. You like Ben Askron because he talks wild, spicy, That's why you like him. You don't get to walk it back now, this is the game that they're in. He had every right to do it. I may not like it, sorry, Red Carpet says. Flora says, he can have it.

Right? So mercifully he didn't. He walked by press row. He still didn't look great walking by press row. He has since taking to social media, it seems to be and let's say, somewhat better spirits. And obviously we hope he's okay physically. But I saw people saying that Jorge A hitting him with the two shots afterwards and then taunting him, then getting at the press conference and expressing no remorse whatsoever was bad behavior. And I have to tell you I found this racle number one, just by the rule set, he was well within his right to punch Askron in the face after he had chaot him. Maybe you could say that he should issue some restraint, but he is not obligated to whatever the rules are that the referee has to intervene. That's on Jason Herzog okay number one. But let's talk about the other parts where he is taunting him and then he falls like a mannekin himself and then again at the press conference absolutely getting after it. Was it unsportsmanlike? And the answer is, of course it was. Here are a couple of sad realities you have to face. Number One, unsportsmanlike conduct is partly what makes combat sports what it is. And yes, there can go too far where people start getting into where they start agitating about religions, and then he gets a little bit weird and unnerving, and where you draw that line, I get as different. But here's the point I wanted to make. If you're a casual fan and you watch baseball and you're ready for the upcoming All Star Game, I get looking at this situation, WI your pieces falling out? Here you go first time, got it all right? I get looking at it and saying I don't like seeing this. If you're just somebody from that perspective, you have a right to be turned off if you are a Ben Askrin fan. The galling hypocrisy to say that what he did was classless and by the way, when they call him thug, definitely no racial overtones with that one is so nakedly ridiculous and hypocritical. The reason why you like Ben Askron is one because he's a talented welterweight and two because he number one, he mocked Darren till when he got KOed by Jorge Maspital, and he pokes the bear. I had him on my show previously when he joined the UFC Brian we went down the list and he was we're on showtime, right Jesus and Marrow. You like Ben Askron because he talks wild, spicy, That's why you like him. You don't get to walk it back now, this is the game that they're in. He had every right to do it. I may not like it, sorry, Red Carpet says. Flora says, he can have it.

I think is the most disrespectful moment in sports history.

I think is the most disrespectful moment in sports history.

Like it's Trump's Scottie Pippen.

Like it's Trump's Scottie Pippen.

Dunking on Patrick Ewing and like, you know, getting down in his face and almost he bagging him. I mean, it's a it's an all Tyron lew in the two thousand and one finals. It's it's insane how great it was. So you nailed some of the things that disrespectful. Absolutely, that's the point. That's on brand with Horae Mosvidal, And like you mentioned, go back and revisit the history of Ben Asking.

Dunking on Patrick Ewing and like, you know, getting down in his face and almost he bagging him. I mean, it's a it's an all Tyron lew in the two thousand and one finals. It's it's insane how great it was. So you nailed some of the things that disrespectful. Absolutely, that's the point. That's on brand with Horae Mosvidal, And like you mentioned, go back and revisit the history of Ben Asking.

Talking trash online to Horay Mosvidal. Is it right?

Talking trash online to Horay Mosvidal. Is it right?

No?

No?

But you know what it supports.

But you know what it supports.

It supports why we a lot of us got into watching this in the first place. Because it's outlaw, it's renegade, it's absurd, it's still cage fighting, right, there's still a chain link fence behind these guys as they're throwing punches. Yeah, it's a sport, and we can go multi billion dollar deals with ESPN and we can do it the corporate thing. But that's why Mosvedol is hot right now because it's a reminder of the raw, true nature of what this actually is.

It supports why we a lot of us got into watching this in the first place. Because it's outlaw, it's renegade, it's absurd, it's still cage fighting, right, there's still a chain link fence behind these guys as they're throwing punches. Yeah, it's a sport, and we can go multi billion dollar deals with ESPN and we can do it the corporate thing. But that's why Mosvedol is hot right now because it's a reminder of the raw, true nature of what this actually is.

And you actually kind of.

And you actually kind of.

Need moments like that, not just to make him a star from more unheard of to the casual fan in the past few months, but just to kind of provide that bottom line, like, you can't change you can't put lipstick.

Need moments like that, not just to make him a star from more unheard of to the casual fan in the past few months, but just to kind of provide that bottom line, like, you can't change you can't put lipstick.

On this pig.

On this pig.

It's friggin cage fighting, Okay, that's what it is. This was a raise the flag and celebrate cage fighting moment, got it. I mean that was some all time great trolling celebration.

It's friggin cage fighting, Okay, that's what it is. This was a raise the flag and celebrate cage fighting moment, got it. I mean that was some all time great trolling celebration.

I don't if every fight was like this, it'd be exhausting and frankly a little bit toxic. But my thought is trying to regulate that out is just not realistic. There is a place for that in the game. If you're a Connor McGregor fan, you liked it when he was taunting Jose Aldo and talking about setting up rebox sweatshops and then coming in on horseback and taking all military faith fails right the whole bit. Like that's why you like Connor McGregor fair play. I get it. It's part of the game. I'm not saying I endorse it, but it's it's just the nature of what we're doing here to a degree. And so for all of the Frankie Edgars who are respectful, for all the Ariah Favors, who are respectful, for all the you name, it's Arnold Allen very respectful. And Gilbert Melendez is the defeat, which I was happy to see. That's one side of the game that flavors. There is the other side of the game. And I just and by the way, Askern himself taking to Twitter, Heather Hardy came to his defense and saying, you know, he takes balls to step in there. He's like, yeah, I kind of deserve it. Like even Ben Askern understated.

I don't if every fight was like this, it'd be exhausting and frankly a little bit toxic. But my thought is trying to regulate that out is just not realistic. There is a place for that in the game. If you're a Connor McGregor fan, you liked it when he was taunting Jose Aldo and talking about setting up rebox sweatshops and then coming in on horseback and taking all military faith fails right the whole bit. Like that's why you like Connor McGregor fair play. I get it. It's part of the game. I'm not saying I endorse it, but it's it's just the nature of what we're doing here to a degree. And so for all of the Frankie Edgars who are respectful, for all the Ariah Favors, who are respectful, for all the you name, it's Arnold Allen very respectful. And Gilbert Melendez is the defeat, which I was happy to see. That's one side of the game that flavors. There is the other side of the game. And I just and by the way, Askern himself taking to Twitter, Heather Hardy came to his defense and saying, you know, he takes balls to step in there. He's like, yeah, I kind of deserve it. Like even Ben Askern understated.

Kind of boome rested himself and that's that's great.

Kind of boome rested himself and that's that's great.

That's how it's look. Man, he knew that. You think Ben doesn't know the game he's playing. Of course he knows the game he's playing. He knows it's high risk, high reward. If you talk that kind of nonsense and then you win. Dude, you are the king of the universe.

That's how it's look. Man, he knew that. You think Ben doesn't know the game he's playing. Of course he knows the game he's playing. He knows it's high risk, high reward. If you talk that kind of nonsense and then you win. Dude, you are the king of the universe.

If you wear a head piece of hair that looks like a teenager's grind, you deserve that.

If you wear a head piece of hair that looks like a teenager's grind, you deserve that.

Right. Well, here's my point, dude. Let's say let's say he had gone done the opposite and it was Jorge who had been knocked out that way. I'm not saying Ben would have handled it exactly the same, but would he have What would it have done for his star power? It was set him into the stratosphere. Man. So the downside of that, and why people don't do it, is because if you lose bro the you have to eat a five dollars foot long s sandwich all the way through. And that's the same situation he finds himself in. So I hope obviously he's physically okay. I hope you get gets a chance to come back. Last thing on this when we'll move to the next topic, which is the welterweight title shot. True or false, Jorge Maswoo will get the next shot at Kamar Usman Bryan Campbell.

Right. Well, here's my point, dude. Let's say let's say he had gone done the opposite and it was Jorge who had been knocked out that way. I'm not saying Ben would have handled it exactly the same, but would he have What would it have done for his star power? It was set him into the stratosphere. Man. So the downside of that, and why people don't do it, is because if you lose bro the you have to eat a five dollars foot long s sandwich all the way through. And that's the same situation he finds himself in. So I hope obviously he's physically okay. I hope you get gets a chance to come back. Last thing on this when we'll move to the next topic, which is the welterweight title shot. True or false, Jorge Maswoo will get the next shot at Kamar Usman Bryan Campbell.

If UFC is smart true, If UFC is consistent with recent booking history of taking the hot guy at the moment, of taking Darren Till, who, under no circumstances deserved to walterweight title shot, and fast tracked him there under the guise of maybe we got another Condo McGregor on our hands. Yes, one million percent. I don't even think you need to wait for that really good August third, Colby Covington, Robbie Lawler fight. I think you tell Jorgey you're in when Kamara is healthy.

If UFC is smart true, If UFC is consistent with recent booking history of taking the hot guy at the moment, of taking Darren Till, who, under no circumstances deserved to walterweight title shot, and fast tracked him there under the guise of maybe we got another Condo McGregor on our hands. Yes, one million percent. I don't even think you need to wait for that really good August third, Colby Covington, Robbie Lawler fight. I think you tell Jorgey you're in when Kamara is healthy.

We do it because it's an entertainment business. First, we all know this.

We do it because it's an entertainment business. First, we all know this.

Let's stop trying to think that rankings or these fake interim titles matter.

Let's stop trying to think that rankings or these fake interim titles matter.

He's hot right now.

He's hot right now.

It's like that's the hottest, Well, he's the hottest walter e Ron.

It's like that's the hottest, Well, he's the hottest walter e Ron.

It's like that jam in middle school.

It's like that jam in middle school.

Put that single tape cassette in ABC Playground a RI show, which.

Put that single tape cassette in ABC Playground a RI show, which.

One were you?

One were you?

You are old?

You are old?

All right?

All right?

Well I just play that song right, play your hands, man, give this guy the chances.

Well I just play that song right, play your hands, man, give this guy the chances.

A hero one lost away.

A hero one lost away.

From the lustman was in Vegas for fight week. Did you get a chance to talk to him?

From the lustman was in Vegas for fight week. Did you get a chance to talk to him?

I did not.

I did not.

Did anybody talk to him? Do we know what his timeline is for a return?

Did anybody talk to him? Do we know what his timeline is for a return?

He he did some media. I didn't get a chance to see that Dana said after the fight, basically, we're gonna have to see where he's at all, right, I guess we'll have to figure I mean, there's complications there because his Jorge gonna fight teamate Cooby Covington.

He he did some media. I didn't get a chance to see that Dana said after the fight, basically, we're gonna have to see where he's at all, right, I guess we'll have to figure I mean, there's complications there because his Jorge gonna fight teamate Cooby Covington.

If coven Tent beats Lawler, youve got some issues.

If coven Tent beats Lawler, youve got some issues.

How stupid would that be to burn that fight. I mean, it's not that I'm opposed to teammates fighting, and if they have to keep the division moving, I suppose that you have to keep the division moving. On the other hand, like you want Jorge to fight all of the guys not like him, not his boys. You want Jorge to go up against boy scouts or sorry, whity dudes in the suburbs. It's a great clash, like that's what you want. So I don't know exactly if Covington's the right. They're both kind of maga dudes. Anyway, I said, that's not one the health CRUs.

How stupid would that be to burn that fight. I mean, it's not that I'm opposed to teammates fighting, and if they have to keep the division moving, I suppose that you have to keep the division moving. On the other hand, like you want Jorge to fight all of the guys not like him, not his boys. You want Jorge to go up against boy scouts or sorry, whity dudes in the suburbs. It's a great clash, like that's what you want. So I don't know exactly if Covington's the right. They're both kind of maga dudes. Anyway, I said, that's not one the health CRUs.

The fight game just real quick, in five seconds, we're questioning has been Askern healthy enough to ever fight again?

The fight game just real quick, in five seconds, we're questioning has been Askern healthy enough to ever fight again?

And will this mentally damage him forever? I think he will be, but we don't know what would.

And will this mentally damage him forever? I think he will be, but we don't know what would.

Happen if he doesn't hit that five second knee. I still think Ashton would have dominated him over three rounds.

Happen if he doesn't hit that five second knee. I still think Ashton would have dominated him over three rounds.

But here we are.

But here we are.

This is the interesting part about it. When people are like, they called it a lucky shot, they're wrong. However, when they called a lucky shot and they're using that for Shorthand to basically claim that the fight would have been different had he not been vaporized by the first shot, they have a point. They absolutely have a point. But here's the problem. He did get vaporized. We're never going to know. They're never going to make that rematch. Jorge will never agree to it. It's like, it's like Connor McGregor Joselda fight. How can you top that? How do you top the fastest knockout in UFC history? You don't. All right, let's move on to the main event, John Jones defeating Tiago Santos over the course of five rounds. Jago Santo's becomes the first person in UFC history, with John Jones to take a scorecard on the judges' scorecard.

This is the interesting part about it. When people are like, they called it a lucky shot, they're wrong. However, when they called a lucky shot and they're using that for Shorthand to basically claim that the fight would have been different had he not been vaporized by the first shot, they have a point. They absolutely have a point. But here's the problem. He did get vaporized. We're never going to know. They're never going to make that rematch. Jorge will never agree to it. It's like, it's like Connor McGregor Joselda fight. How can you top that? How do you top the fastest knockout in UFC history? You don't. All right, let's move on to the main event, John Jones defeating Tiago Santos over the course of five rounds. Jago Santo's becomes the first person in UFC history, with John Jones to take a scorecard on the judges' scorecard.

Really the first person to get a decision against Jones. Sense what the Albuquerque Police Department?

Really the first person to get a decision against Jones. Sense what the Albuquerque Police Department?

All right, well, you know you said it, not me. So when he comes knocking down your door. You can remember this moment here fondly.

All right, well, you know you said it, not me. So when he comes knocking down your door. You can remember this moment here fondly.

Thank you.

Thank you.

All right, very good. So how did you score the fight?

All right, very good. So how did you score the fight?

First of all forty seven for John Jones, three rounds to two he gave.

First of all forty seven for John Jones, three rounds to two he gave.

Do you understand or sympathize with a scorecard for Thiago Santos?

Do you understand or sympathize with a scorecard for Thiago Santos?

I do, I do understand because I don't think everyone realized and some I said, what five feet away from the cage, and in this game of combat sports, sometimes being that close can hurt your view.

I do, I do understand because I don't think everyone realized and some I said, what five feet away from the cage, and in this game of combat sports, sometimes being that close can hurt your view.

Sometimes it can help you. What I saw was Thiago Santos.

Sometimes it can help you. What I saw was Thiago Santos.

Was landing bombs John's chin, which has always been championship level.

Was landing bombs John's chin, which has always been championship level.

Obviously he's the greatest of all.

Obviously he's the greatest of all.

Time, walk through some go home punches and kicks, So if you are going to use that in your basis, mixed with the fact that Jones did not finish strong, gave away that fifth round in some weird ways. And by the way, you just scored the fifth round for Santos, because you should have.

Time, walk through some go home punches and kicks, So if you are going to use that in your basis, mixed with the fact that Jones did not finish strong, gave away that fifth round in some weird ways. And by the way, you just scored the fifth round for Santos, because you should have.

I think I did.

I think I did.

Yeah, the one judge who scored it over all for Santos.

Yeah, the one judge who scored it over all for Santos.

If you scored it for Santos, it should have been one, two and five.

If you scored it for Santos, it should have been one, two and five.

The one judge who scored the fight for Santos gave the fifth round to Jones.

The one judge who scored the fight for Santos gave the fifth round to Jones.

I don't understand how that's a weird math.

I don't understand how that's a weird math.

That's weird, but it's a weird fight, man, because if you scored the fight as a whole, and we don't do that, I thought Jones won, and I'd actually echo Dana and say that overall he kind of largely dominated. He won the technical battles, the footwork battles, the space, and he outplastered him. He showed Floyd Mayweather's type situations in round four when he just kept him at distance, unlimited the danger. You don't score it round by round. Obviously that brings Santos back in. But what the heck's up with Jones's strategy?

That's weird, but it's a weird fight, man, because if you scored the fight as a whole, and we don't do that, I thought Jones won, and I'd actually echo Dana and say that overall he kind of largely dominated. He won the technical battles, the footwork battles, the space, and he outplastered him. He showed Floyd Mayweather's type situations in round four when he just kept him at distance, unlimited the danger. You don't score it round by round. Obviously that brings Santos back in. But what the heck's up with Jones's strategy?

So I talked to some people. I have some sources. I won't say who they are, but basically what I what I ascertained was that he was looking, he was takedowns were a big component, and he was not injured. Now, after a while, the little I think it was the left leg got so beat up that whatever the game plan may have been up to that point, anything after that's out the window. But up to that point, why wasn't the full game plan executed? Because my understanding was clinch work and ground fighting was going to be a huge component there because you have to think on the feet. What's gi Santos's best chance got to be on the feet. He's no slouch on the ground. But John Jones' takedowns are phenomenal and his ground him. People don't talk about John Jones's groun upon that might actually be the best part of his game. Go back and look, he whips into shots, but.

So I talked to some people. I have some sources. I won't say who they are, but basically what I what I ascertained was that he was looking, he was takedowns were a big component, and he was not injured. Now, after a while, the little I think it was the left leg got so beat up that whatever the game plan may have been up to that point, anything after that's out the window. But up to that point, why wasn't the full game plan executed? Because my understanding was clinch work and ground fighting was going to be a huge component there because you have to think on the feet. What's gi Santos's best chance got to be on the feet. He's no slouch on the ground. But John Jones' takedowns are phenomenal and his ground him. People don't talk about John Jones's groun upon that might actually be the best part of his game. Go back and look, he whips into shots, but.

It's not just that, it's how he sets you up to that. Remember the Gustusen rematch.

It's not just that, it's how he sets you up to that. Remember the Gustusen rematch.

Yes, it's kind of boring for two rounds, but he was systematically setting up Gustinson to break him down with kicks and we're down his cardio and then take him down and finish it right. You gotta feel like that could have happened in this fight, especially when Santo was so.

Yes, it's kind of boring for two rounds, but he was systematically setting up Gustinson to break him down with kicks and we're down his cardio and then take him down and finish it right. You gotta feel like that could have happened in this fight, especially when Santo was so.

So what I was told was that he was he felt like Tiago Santos was baiting him the whole time with wide shots so that he would come through and then catch him with something linear, an uppercut, a knee up the middle. So in the end, what he decided to do was, you know what, let me just let me do the think the path of these resistance keep my eyes.

So what I was told was that he was he felt like Tiago Santos was baiting him the whole time with wide shots so that he would come through and then catch him with something linear, an uppercut, a knee up the middle. So in the end, what he decided to do was, you know what, let me just let me do the think the path of these resistance keep my eyes.

I didn't see that, because that's what you're saying here.

I didn't see that, because that's what you're saying here.

Here's let me make the key consideration here, which is the one I want you to weigh in on. He's trying to get to that. I want to be the guy who won twenty titles. Twenty worlds are twenty times anyway in the world title fights, which is an enormous goal and would be something I couldn't imagine someone doing.

Here's let me make the key consideration here, which is the one I want you to weigh in on. He's trying to get to that. I want to be the guy who won twenty titles. Twenty worlds are twenty times anyway in the world title fights, which is an enormous goal and would be something I couldn't imagine someone doing.

He wants to take his status as the goat. But but what.

He wants to take his status as the goat. But but what.

Does it mean that the last two times he's fought, he's he's faced guys who he was widely expected to route and then just didn't. Is he fighting smart to get to a goal or is there something perhaps a little bit more to the story.

Does it mean that the last two times he's fought, he's he's faced guys who he was widely expected to route and then just didn't. Is he fighting smart to get to a goal or is there something perhaps a little bit more to the story.

Overall, since has come back from the USADA test, he is fighting smarter. He's much more efficient, And if you're gonna look at it from an age standpoint, thirty one still in his physical prime, but slowly that's going to leak as he gets older. He's kind of setting himself up for perfection. This is what Michael Jordan did in nineteen ninety three by adding that step back jump jot from the high post. This is what Floyd Mayweather did by going to more of a pot shouting style, one punch out of time in his mid to late thirties. He's smart, efficient. His numbers are through the roof if you look at it.

Overall, since has come back from the USADA test, he is fighting smarter. He's much more efficient, And if you're gonna look at it from an age standpoint, thirty one still in his physical prime, but slowly that's going to leak as he gets older. He's kind of setting himself up for perfection. This is what Michael Jordan did in nineteen ninety three by adding that step back jump jot from the high post. This is what Floyd Mayweather did by going to more of a pot shouting style, one punch out of time in his mid to late thirties. He's smart, efficient. His numbers are through the roof if you look at it.

For this fight.

For this fight.

I think, though, the fourth and fifth round of this fight in particular isn't the same comparison to maybe what.

I think, though, the fourth and fifth round of this fight in particular isn't the same comparison to maybe what.

Happened in the Smith fight.

Happened in the Smith fight.

John saying ultimately that I wasn't gonna shoot in because I thought I had the fight in the bag.

John saying ultimately that I wasn't gonna shoot in because I thought I had the fight in the bag.

I thought there was danger there.

I thought there was danger there.

I thought he put himself into more danger by walking into the strike zone of a wounded animal who's the biggest puncher he's faced in a long time, and staying right there. And what I saw was John was almost boredom. He's almost too good for his own good. Yes that he almost ultimately DJ colled of himself. I mean was like, you almost played yourself. He almost gave away the title, and you had a wounded, dangerous animal, and instead of just finishing him, did you what he did?

I thought he put himself into more danger by walking into the strike zone of a wounded animal who's the biggest puncher he's faced in a long time, and staying right there. And what I saw was John was almost boredom. He's almost too good for his own good. Yes that he almost ultimately DJ colled of himself. I mean was like, you almost played yourself. He almost gave away the title, and you had a wounded, dangerous animal, and instead of just finishing him, did you what he did?

He was playing with his food.

He was playing with his food.

He was walking in and trying to land like a point guard who won't make the safe pass, only wants to make the spectacular assist. He I felt was trying to line up the perfect knockout, and if it wasn't going to get there, he was fine with letting.

He was walking in and trying to land like a point guard who won't make the safe pass, only wants to make the spectacular assist. He I felt was trying to line up the perfect knockout, and if it wasn't going to get there, he was fine with letting.

Them go to this.

Them go to this.

It reminded me of jose Aldo after the Frankie Edgar fight, the first one where even the chance sung Junk, well the chance on John when he got injured. But after the first Frankie Edgar fight, jose Aldo had I thought won the fight, but they were asking him like, did you think this was at all close? And he was like, yeah, no, not close at all. You're like, that fight was pretty close, dude, and he was just sort of like non chalant about actually how competitive it was in the end, and his attitude. I think Josee Aldo's was, well it was it may have been competitive. Well it's not, but it may have been competitive only because I let it be competitive. I got shades of that with the attitude. My other thought is this, I don't know what the reality is about his physical situation. You see, he has to tape that toe that he broke and shattered against Jill Sun on the Buddy system, which is no big deal because you can still work a around that. But my thought is at thirty one years of age, he's been fighting for over a decade now, he's had long time off. What I'm about to say is I am not declaring that he is old, because I don't know that that is true. What I do think it's worth observing is, yes, the Cormier rematch, he looked like I've never seen a fighter. I still think his gustus In fight, which was on the second one only seven months ago, it was a masterpiece. It was an absolute masterpiece. So my hunch is that the old thing, My concerns about any kind of wear and tear, or maybe any kind of physical decline somewhat overstated. We don't know the answer. Let's see how things go. But what I do think we should do is at least keep an eye on it. I don't think it's a completely irrelevant concern, but I can't say it's true at this time.

It reminded me of jose Aldo after the Frankie Edgar fight, the first one where even the chance sung Junk, well the chance on John when he got injured. But after the first Frankie Edgar fight, jose Aldo had I thought won the fight, but they were asking him like, did you think this was at all close? And he was like, yeah, no, not close at all. You're like, that fight was pretty close, dude, and he was just sort of like non chalant about actually how competitive it was in the end, and his attitude. I think Josee Aldo's was, well it was it may have been competitive. Well it's not, but it may have been competitive only because I let it be competitive. I got shades of that with the attitude. My other thought is this, I don't know what the reality is about his physical situation. You see, he has to tape that toe that he broke and shattered against Jill Sun on the Buddy system, which is no big deal because you can still work a around that. But my thought is at thirty one years of age, he's been fighting for over a decade now, he's had long time off. What I'm about to say is I am not declaring that he is old, because I don't know that that is true. What I do think it's worth observing is, yes, the Cormier rematch, he looked like I've never seen a fighter. I still think his gustus In fight, which was on the second one only seven months ago, it was a masterpiece. It was an absolute masterpiece. So my hunch is that the old thing, My concerns about any kind of wear and tear, or maybe any kind of physical decline somewhat overstated. We don't know the answer. Let's see how things go. But what I do think we should do is at least keep an eye on it. I don't think it's a completely irrelevant concern, but I can't say it's true at this time.

Right this is already a dangerous enough sport where you could lose everything, your title, the empire you've built on one punch, on one crazy situation. Yet John and Anthony Smith fight which she was dominating, could have lost the title on that illegal blow. Had Smith wanted to go to the DQ ending and he could have an exited Vegas without his title this time around, for just what looked.

Right this is already a dangerous enough sport where you could lose everything, your title, the empire you've built on one punch, on one crazy situation. Yet John and Anthony Smith fight which she was dominating, could have lost the title on that illegal blow. Had Smith wanted to go to the DQ ending and he could have an exited Vegas without his title this time around, for just what looked.

Like shoddy strategy, you're telling me.

Like shoddy strategy, you're telling me.

You can I don't think his strategy was shoddy.

You can I don't think his strategy was shoddy.

Well, it's shoddy if you have a wounded guy on one leg who's falling down when he's trying to kick you, and you won't.

Well, it's shoddy if you have a wounded guy on one leg who's falling down when he's trying to kick you, and you won't.

Go and take.

Go and take.

But that's not a function of strategy. That's a function of risk management, which you're mad at, is his risk management. Your whole point is you could have won the fight by assuming suddenly risk time, but not enough risk to jeopardize losing.

But that's not a function of strategy. That's a function of risk management, which you're mad at, is his risk management. Your whole point is you could have won the fight by assuming suddenly risk time, but not enough risk to jeopardize losing.

But had he jabbed from the outside, you could have that argument.

But had he jabbed from the outside, you could have that argument.

Had he done and what he did for most of the fourth round, which is t kick from the outside, then you'd say, look, he's playing it safe.

Had he done and what he did for most of the fourth round, which is t kick from the outside, then you'd say, look, he's playing it safe.

He doesn't want to get hurt. It's kind of the osp fight all over again.

He doesn't want to get hurt. It's kind of the osp fight all over again.

Yeah, the fifth round he was walking into the man's strike zone and trying to land the perfect knockout, so it's almost like he's inflicting more danger upon himself. There was almost an arrogance level there that was like, I already walked through everything he has. I got this when we're watching, going just take the wounded guy down and finish him.

Yeah, the fifth round he was walking into the man's strike zone and trying to land the perfect knockout, so it's almost like he's inflicting more danger upon himself. There was almost an arrogance level there that was like, I already walked through everything he has. I got this when we're watching, going just take the wounded guy down and finish him.

All right, Well, a time for a debate, I guess a little bit later, let's move to the co main event. Amanda Nunez. Jesus Christ. She just blew right through Hollyholm. I'd never seen seeing something like that. So first round stoppage wins over Holly Holm, first round stoppage wins over will win anyway over Ronda Rousey, and then Cyborg Justino, and we should say, I mean, it's just a ridiculous resume at this point. Here's what I saw, Brian. I saw people saying there's no debate over her being the greatest female fighter of all time. Agreed. I don't think you can possibly make that argument anymore. Just the nature of the wins is too it's too dominant. However, there's a question now where she should be ranked pound for pound relative to the men, and I have seen some folks say she should be ranked top of the heap.

All right, Well, a time for a debate, I guess a little bit later, let's move to the co main event. Amanda Nunez. Jesus Christ. She just blew right through Hollyholm. I'd never seen seeing something like that. So first round stoppage wins over Holly Holm, first round stoppage wins over will win anyway over Ronda Rousey, and then Cyborg Justino, and we should say, I mean, it's just a ridiculous resume at this point. Here's what I saw, Brian. I saw people saying there's no debate over her being the greatest female fighter of all time. Agreed. I don't think you can possibly make that argument anymore. Just the nature of the wins is too it's too dominant. However, there's a question now where she should be ranked pound for pound relative to the men, and I have seen some folks say she should be ranked top of the heap.

This is a dumb argument.

This is a dumb argument.

Hold on, I agree she should not be ranked top of the heap, which is not to say that I cannot imagine a scenario where a woman could be ranked top pound for pound.

Hold on, I agree she should not be ranked top of the heap, which is not to say that I cannot imagine a scenario where a woman could be ranked top pound for pound.

I could if you created a female Mike Tyson, something we thought Rowsey was for a short season, then you could have an.

I could if you created a female Mike Tyson, something we thought Rowsey was for a short season, then you could have an.

Argument it's possible. Here's the problem. If you look at, for example, Daniel Cormier, who sits atop the pound for pound rankings, his only losses are to other top pound for pound guys, well really one guy obviously and some piagrams John Jones. Whereas if you look at Amanda Unas, she has done a bit more of what I call the Demetrius Johnson thing where she started off very very good and then just got unstoppable. But she does have stoppage losses on her career, including the Cats and Gano. Now I would favor Amanda Nunaz over Cat Zingano.

Argument it's possible. Here's the problem. If you look at, for example, Daniel Cormier, who sits atop the pound for pound rankings, his only losses are to other top pound for pound guys, well really one guy obviously and some piagrams John Jones. Whereas if you look at Amanda Unas, she has done a bit more of what I call the Demetrius Johnson thing where she started off very very good and then just got unstoppable. But she does have stoppage losses on her career, including the Cats and Gano. Now I would favor Amanda Nunaz over Cat Zingano.

Don't misunderstand me, as Zagana n she lost to conditioning.

Don't misunderstand me, as Zagana n she lost to conditioning.

Let's be honest, okay, but whatever her whose hand got raised at the end of the fight. So this is my point. If you wanted to rank Amanda Nunez very very highly on the pound for pound rankings, I don't have a problem with it. What I don't want to hear is that, well, if you're the top pound for pound woman, Ever, surely you're better than your male contemporaries. That it's not necessarily.

Let's be honest, okay, but whatever her whose hand got raised at the end of the fight. So this is my point. If you wanted to rank Amanda Nunez very very highly on the pound for pound rankings, I don't have a problem with it. What I don't want to hear is that, well, if you're the top pound for pound woman, Ever, surely you're better than your male contemporaries. That it's not necessarily.

Arguments that people are combining.

Arguments that people are combining.

UFC is combining it unfortunately on their website when they do pound for pound and they care they mix men and women together.

UFC is combining it unfortunately on their website when they do pound for pound and they care they mix men and women together.

Here's the two debates we're talking about here.

Here's the two debates we're talking about here.

If you're talking about more of the greatest of all time, it's more based on what you accomplished. It's certainly how good you were and your level of competition, but it's more on what you accomplished. If you want to turn this debate into what more would Amanda Nunias have to do to be considered possibly the greatest fighter ever, even above John Jones, Anderson Silva, GSP, Daniel Cormier, then we can have that debate. Then we can have that debate whether her consistent level of competition and the danger that she is facing is on par with something that John Jones went through, going through now two and a half eras of light heavyweight and rolling through what had been the deepest and most dangerous division during.

If you're talking about more of the greatest of all time, it's more based on what you accomplished. It's certainly how good you were and your level of competition, but it's more on what you accomplished. If you want to turn this debate into what more would Amanda Nunias have to do to be considered possibly the greatest fighter ever, even above John Jones, Anderson Silva, GSP, Daniel Cormier, then we can have that debate. Then we can have that debate whether her consistent level of competition and the danger that she is facing is on par with something that John Jones went through, going through now two and a half eras of light heavyweight and rolling through what had been the deepest and most dangerous division during.

Most of that.

Most of that.

When you're doing pound for pound, though, it's different. Pump for pound is more of in the moment, who would fight who if it was possible, if it was mythically possible.

When you're doing pound for pound, though, it's different. Pump for pound is more of in the moment, who would fight who if it was possible, if it was mythically possible.

I don't think that's what pound for pound means now it.

I don't think that's what pound for pound means now it.

Is, it really is because you know why, because Demetrius johnsons.

Is, it really is because you know why, because Demetrius johnsons.

A nonsensical way to describe pound for pound. It's incoherent, it makes no sense. I'll coheritize for it. Okay, okay, I'll take I'll shave it down. I'll take out the razor and get rid of that salt and pepper on the info. Right, here's what I ultimately mean. We could never put Demetris Johnson in the cage with John Jones. So palm for pound was created in boxing obviously when Sugar Ray Robinson was considered the best, but you know he can never beat you know, a heavyweight, so you're sort of in your head creating a mythical division.

A nonsensical way to describe pound for pound. It's incoherent, it makes no sense. I'll coheritize for it. Okay, okay, I'll take I'll shave it down. I'll take out the razor and get rid of that salt and pepper on the info. Right, here's what I ultimately mean. We could never put Demetris Johnson in the cage with John Jones. So palm for pound was created in boxing obviously when Sugar Ray Robinson was considered the best, but you know he can never beat you know, a heavyweight, so you're sort of in your head creating a mythical division.

If they had the advantages they have in their division, you.

If they had the advantages they have in their division, you.

Put Demetris Johnson as a you know, and John Joe in the same division with their same pluses and minus as who would win?

Put Demetris Johnson as a you know, and John Joe in the same division with their same pluses and minus as who would win?

This is not that's you.

This is not that's you.

That's sort of who you figure out who's the best in the world. Right now, women and men.

That's sort of who you figure out who's the best in the world. Right now, women and men.

Don't compete against this.

Don't compete against this.

This is not what pou pound means. Pom for pound means when you establish across the ways in which you measure greatness, a certain set of thresholds. How many champions did they beat? How many it has to be because the way you're doing it is impossible. You are making a case such that a woman could never be it. I can imagine a case where a woman could be. I can imagine a case where a flight weight could be. I cannot imagine a case under your definition where someone under those considerations could actually win and be atop the pound for pound. It is what kind of demonstration of greatness have you put together? Which comes from wins YouTube, which comes from how fast you did it, which comes from how many champs you beat, which came from how many rounds you will?