It is Monday, December ninth, twenty nineteen. It is time donks for Morning Combat. Welcome everyone. My name is Thomas. I'm host of this program alongside my trustee co host from CBS Sports, among other places, the inimitable Brian Campbell.

It is Monday, December ninth, twenty nineteen. It is time donks for Morning Combat. Welcome everyone. My name is Thomas. I'm host of this program alongside my trustee co host from CBS Sports, among other places, the inimitable Brian Campbell.

Brian, we had a great weekend to yet you and I hung out. It was like a little Broman said, a little little fist bumping, a little high fiving, no tip to t.

Brian, we had a great weekend to yet you and I hung out. It was like a little Broman said, a little little fist bumping, a little high fiving, no tip to t.

Yeah that's still gross, that's so gross. Yeah, but everybody emails me, by the way, saying you when do you?

Yeah that's still gross, that's so gross. Yeah, but everybody emails me, by the way, saying you when do you?

Brian appreciate all our Morning Combat listeners.

Brian appreciate all our Morning Combat listeners.

Moving on over to the showtime countdown live undercard stream ahead of Charlo Hogan this weekend, a lot of fun working next to you, and you want to talk about a loaded weekend to recap this week, how about looking ahead to uf T two forty five.

Moving on over to the showtime countdown live undercard stream ahead of Charlo Hogan this weekend, a lot of fun working next to you, and you want to talk about a loaded weekend to recap this week, how about looking ahead to uf T two forty five.

It's gonna be a big as show. A little break there.

It's gonna be a big as show. A little break there.

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Real quick, I see you wearing a Cannibal Corpse T shirt right there. Yes, your followers are now normally people dive in my Instagram dms to update me on the Chefchenko sisters, and again I already knew the update already saw it right, Love you though. Now people are all on my DM sending me hey hey BC. Just so you know, here's what the lead singer of Cannibal Corpse does in his free time.

Real quick, I see you wearing a Cannibal Corpse T shirt right there. Yes, your followers are now normally people dive in my Instagram dms to update me on the Chefchenko sisters, and again I already knew the update already saw it right, Love you though. Now people are all on my DM sending me hey hey BC. Just so you know, here's what the lead singer of Cannibal Corpse does in his free time.

Watch this YouTube video and what did you see?

Watch this YouTube video and what did you see?

Here's what this lead guitarist just got put in jail for. I do not want anything to do with your people. All right, Well the lead guitarist did to get put in jail, HILLO. He has mental problems, quite literally, mental problems.

Here's what this lead guitarist just got put in jail for. I do not want anything to do with your people. All right, Well the lead guitarist did to get put in jail, HILLO. He has mental problems, quite literally, mental problems.

The lead singer Corpse Grinder actually on his free time touring goes to target and then get stuffed animals to give to charity and poor kids. So a real asshole of that guy. Huh yeah right, yeah.

The lead singer Corpse Grinder actually on his free time touring goes to target and then get stuffed animals to give to charity and poor kids. So a real asshole of that guy. Huh yeah right, yeah.

Those are your kind. By the way, how about that? How about this?

Those are your kind. By the way, how about that? How about this?

We have to move along. What is the reference?

We have to move along. What is the reference?

Are we the mega powers here of combat audio? I'm a little more savage, you're a little more hogan. You know, racist going to sleep.

Are we the mega powers here of combat audio? I'm a little more savage, you're a little more hogan. You know, racist going to sleep.

You're the guy begging Bubba the loves Bun's wife. You're the guy begging Bubba.

You're the guy begging Bubba the loves Bun's wife. You're the guy begging Bubba.

The loves Bun the best tag team of pro wrestling history. Okay, check the archives. You're the one suing Gawker, not me. Okay, all right, with that in mind, ready to get going. Let's get going, all right, First things first, it was not the biggest event of the weekend, which we will get to, but the biggest MMA event of the weekend was UFC DC in my hometown, JayR Zeno rosenstrike or rosenstroke I repronounced it beats Alistair Overeim well via last minute K, last second Ko, Brian Campbell.

The loves Bun the best tag team of pro wrestling history. Okay, check the archives. You're the one suing Gawker, not me. Okay, all right, with that in mind, ready to get going. Let's get going, all right, First things first, it was not the biggest event of the weekend, which we will get to, but the biggest MMA event of the weekend was UFC DC in my hometown, JayR Zeno rosenstrike or rosenstroke I repronounced it beats Alistair Overeim well via last minute K, last second Ko, Brian Campbell.

Let's start here. Actually will pitch to you first ones, so I'll be very curious to get your opinion. Yeah, you pitch, I'll catch Let's do this. Okay, you always have to find a way to be weird. But the question is this now that he has won, it is good news for the division, I would argue, So the question is why actually maybe disagree?

Let's start here. Actually will pitch to you first ones, so I'll be very curious to get your opinion. Yeah, you pitch, I'll catch Let's do this. Okay, you always have to find a way to be weird. But the question is this now that he has won, it is good news for the division, I would argue, So the question is why actually maybe disagree?

Is it good news or bad news with you? I don't think it's either good news or bad news.

Is it good news or bad news with you? I don't think it's either good news or bad news.

I think it's I think it's a weird ending to the sense that we booked this fight to find out answers. I know it was last minute replacement. Shout out to wal Harrison and everything he's dealing with in his family, obviously, but you want to find out if JayR Rosenstrick or Stroke or Strudell, however you're going with, there is for real. This was the perfect test against a veteran who you're more than likely not going to get out of there in ten seconds. You're gonna have to work. He had to work for four and a half rounds. We saw a lot of things he needs to work on. We saw some pluses, But there's such a thing line in mma between love and hate, but also between winning and losing. Where the narrative out of this fight should have been could have been, Hey, Gyro Rosenestruke. He can bang, but he's got a long way to go to be a legitimate title contender. Yet he can break out the meat cleaver with four seconds to go, and suddenly it's like I want Francis and Gano next, And suddenly it's like Yahoo for the division. When I think, you have to go back and look at that stoppage. Yes, wielded insane power. Shout out to him, got it done with no time left, overhim failing in gassing a little bit in the closing seconds. But if he doesn't do that walk off like he did after he knocks out over him, because Overheim pops back up. If referee Dan Murray glad realizes the amount of seconds doesn't see in overhim's eyes what he ended up seeing that goes to the cards and he loses. So I'm not gonna come out of here being like fantastic performance.

I think it's I think it's a weird ending to the sense that we booked this fight to find out answers. I know it was last minute replacement. Shout out to wal Harrison and everything he's dealing with in his family, obviously, but you want to find out if JayR Rosenstrick or Stroke or Strudell, however you're going with, there is for real. This was the perfect test against a veteran who you're more than likely not going to get out of there in ten seconds. You're gonna have to work. He had to work for four and a half rounds. We saw a lot of things he needs to work on. We saw some pluses, But there's such a thing line in mma between love and hate, but also between winning and losing. Where the narrative out of this fight should have been could have been, Hey, Gyro Rosenestruke. He can bang, but he's got a long way to go to be a legitimate title contender. Yet he can break out the meat cleaver with four seconds to go, and suddenly it's like I want Francis and Gano next, And suddenly it's like Yahoo for the division. When I think, you have to go back and look at that stoppage. Yes, wielded insane power. Shout out to him, got it done with no time left, overhim failing in gassing a little bit in the closing seconds. But if he doesn't do that walk off like he did after he knocks out over him, because Overheim pops back up. If referee Dan Murray glad realizes the amount of seconds doesn't see in overhim's eyes what he ended up seeing that goes to the cards and he loses. So I'm not gonna come out of here being like fantastic performance.

This guy is the future.

This guy is the future.

What I love to see him bang against other sluggers like a like an Angano, of course, but it was like raised thin from being sort of a well.

What I love to see him bang against other sluggers like a like an Angano, of course, but it was like raised thin from being sort of a well.

Look, hold on, let's talk about that. Number one. This is his tenth UFC FI tenth MMA fight for Crina. I love fourth.

Look, hold on, let's talk about that. Number one. This is his tenth UFC FI tenth MMA fight for Crina. I love fourth.

I think UFC fight all of them, by the way, happening in the calendar year. So he took this one on relatively short notice as well, which folksmen never forget to an extent.

I think UFC fight all of them, by the way, happening in the calendar year. So he took this one on relatively short notice as well, which folksmen never forget to an extent.

That makes him warm to an extent. It's not probably adequate.

That makes him warm to an extent. It's not probably adequate.

Preparation for this particular opponent, who, by the way, is the greatest kickboxer. It's certainly the heavyweight division to have her matriculate over well, he had gone back and forth, but certainly to compete in MMA makes him a very difficult challenge.

Preparation for this particular opponent, who, by the way, is the greatest kickboxer. It's certainly the heavyweight division to have her matriculate over well, he had gone back and forth, but certainly to compete in MMA makes him a very difficult challenge.

Number one.

Number one.

So I'm going to be forgiving that he is not quite as as dangerous as he could have been.

So I'm going to be forgiving that he is not quite as as dangerous as he could have been.

Two.

Two.

Overheim is not going.

Overheim is not going.

To fight the way Arlovski did or Junior Albini did or Alan Crowder did.

To fight the way Arlovski did or Junior Albini did or Alan Crowder did.

This was also his most difficult opponent, and then we needed that.

This was also his most difficult opponent, and then we needed that.

We needed to see him against a guy who wasn't going to go away, a guy who was going to be smart.

We needed to see him against a guy who wasn't going to go away, a guy who was going to be smart.

And I agree the fight was kind of boring. It wasn't that great over him doing what he needed to do. But the reality is, dude, there if there is one division that is in desperate need of turnover because these guys last deep into their thirties, it is heavyweight. I'm not happy that overheam is not going to get probably another title shot again a supremely decorated combat sports athlete, where that piece probably is going to be missing from the puzzle of his career.

And I agree the fight was kind of boring. It wasn't that great over him doing what he needed to do. But the reality is, dude, there if there is one division that is in desperate need of turnover because these guys last deep into their thirties, it is heavyweight. I'm not happy that overheam is not going to get probably another title shot again a supremely decorated combat sports athlete, where that piece probably is going to be missing from the puzzle of his career.

Still getting some fresh blood in there.

Still getting some fresh blood in there.

Is not the end of the world.

Is not the end of the world.

And by the way Rosenstrike might fight and gone to in a very different kind of way. Another point to consider is guys like Francis and God who start very strong early and then kind of fade. Maybe rosen Strike is one of these guys who starts a little slow against the better caliber opposition, not the crowders of the junior Albanies of the world. But then heats up a little bit later. Fourth, I would say, dude, he literally disfigured Overream's face. Cutting that be serious for a moment. Is that one of the worst cuts you've ever seen. It was brutal.

And by the way Rosenstrike might fight and gone to in a very different kind of way. Another point to consider is guys like Francis and God who start very strong early and then kind of fade. Maybe rosen Strike is one of these guys who starts a little slow against the better caliber opposition, not the crowders of the junior Albanies of the world. But then heats up a little bit later. Fourth, I would say, dude, he literally disfigured Overream's face. Cutting that be serious for a moment. Is that one of the worst cuts you've ever seen. It was brutal.

It wasn't just the Robbie Lawler lip line. It went deep into his face.

It wasn't just the Robbie Lawler lip line. It went deep into his face.

You could see the top of his gums, and you could just brushed it quite easily from afar.

You could see the top of his gums, and you could just brushed it quite easily from afar.

I don't want you to get caught in thinking I've misdirected hostilities. I love the guy's long term future. I'm just saying he was that close.

I don't want you to get caught in thinking I've misdirected hostilities. I love the guy's long term future. I'm just saying he was that close.

I understand.

I understand.

I mean walking off after you knock a guy down and not making sure you take care of business and finish him off. Any other referee could have just let that go to the fun belt, no doubt about it. And I just think even with the win, and even with the Anganu callout, and even with my potential excitement for those kind of fights, and even with your sort of saying, hey man, we gotta flip this division around, get some blood in there, I still think this is more of a loss, a moral loss has there ever been a moral loss even though the guy won. This is almost like a moral loss in a way, because this guy's got a lot to work on to be a legitimate title contender.

I mean walking off after you knock a guy down and not making sure you take care of business and finish him off. Any other referee could have just let that go to the fun belt, no doubt about it. And I just think even with the win, and even with the Anganu callout, and even with my potential excitement for those kind of fights, and even with your sort of saying, hey man, we gotta flip this division around, get some blood in there, I still think this is more of a loss, a moral loss has there ever been a moral loss even though the guy won. This is almost like a moral loss in a way, because this guy's got a lot to work on to be a legitimate title contender.

Mind, Okay, fine again, it was as inspiring as a victory could be.

Mind, Okay, fine again, it was as inspiring as a victory could be.

No, it certainly was not.

No, it certainly was not.

But as I articulated, there are reasons to be a little bit forgiving and asked for the stoppage. I think both sides have a case here. You're right he should have followed up and he didn't. On the other hand, would you really want to let a fight go where a guy was cut. I'm not saying it was a bad stoppage. I'm saying I think it's worth questioning about whether it was a good stoppage or not.

But as I articulated, there are reasons to be a little bit forgiving and asked for the stoppage. I think both sides have a case here. You're right he should have followed up and he didn't. On the other hand, would you really want to let a fight go where a guy was cut. I'm not saying it was a bad stoppage. I'm saying I think it's worth questioning about whether it was a good stoppage or not.

So Oveream pops up.

So Oveream pops up.

But then over him actually doesn't direct himself towards rosenstruck. He actually walks a different direction. At the same time, if you actually look at the clock, it was right at the end. So there's a lot of ways that could have gone. I guess my point is, if if overheam, I don't want to call him. I want to be very respectful. He is not fragile, but at this late stage in his career. He doesn't have a ton of room for error against heavy handed strikers. And to win that many rounds and that much time offered to evaporate in an instant again under not the most perfectly situated circumstances, still kind of tells me it's time for some rejuvenation.

But then over him actually doesn't direct himself towards rosenstruck. He actually walks a different direction. At the same time, if you actually look at the clock, it was right at the end. So there's a lot of ways that could have gone. I guess my point is, if if overheam, I don't want to call him. I want to be very respectful. He is not fragile, but at this late stage in his career. He doesn't have a ton of room for error against heavy handed strikers. And to win that many rounds and that much time offered to evaporate in an instant again under not the most perfectly situated circumstances, still kind of tells me it's time for some rejuvenation.

It was a strong performance top to bottom from over him outside of the last four seconds.

It was a strong performance top to bottom from over him outside of the last four seconds.

He's not done. He's not done.

He's not done. He's not done.

That's what he had to do against a young guy and kind of expose him.

That's what he had to do against a young guy and kind of expose him.

I thought he felt.

I thought he felt.

Well, now that takes us to the co main event very quickly. What do you want to say about that? That was just this weird? How many times did he get kicked in the ball? Stephanstrup three times too?

Well, now that takes us to the co main event very quickly. What do you want to say about that? That was just this weird? How many times did he get kicked in the ball? Stephanstrup three times too?

That wasn't the co main event, but oh sorry, well I was the coming event in my mind. Sorry, the caveo one was It was the sloppy super bowl main event of the night.

That wasn't the co main event, but oh sorry, well I was the coming event in my mind. Sorry, the caveo one was It was the sloppy super bowl main event of the night.

Two?

Two?

What the hell was that between Ben Rothwan and Stephanstrup.

What the hell was that between Ben Rothwan and Stephanstrup.

That was the only time the crowd got excited all night was when he kicked him in the donks and.

That was the only time the crowd got excited all night was when he kicked him in the donks and.

Him on the ground.

Him on the ground.

Then he stands up and they cheer, but then when he turns around to keep resting, they boot him again.

Then he stands up and they cheer, but then when he turns around to keep resting, they boot him again.

Which is just its old level of weird.

Which is just its old level of weird.

You know, I think, you know, run by the way. Should they running back? No? No, I don't want to see that crap again.

You know, I think, you know, run by the way. Should they running back? No? No, I don't want to see that crap again.

John Anick made the right point that it probably because of the how hard the first kick was that was worth a he never reduction. It was worth the point deduction because when DC made the reaction after the second kick of like the fight's over, it really should have. But even without the even if you hadn't deducted the point two hard kicks of that level, how is the guy gonna be able to bounce back and continent?

John Anick made the right point that it probably because of the how hard the first kick was that was worth a he never reduction. It was worth the point deduction because when DC made the reaction after the second kick of like the fight's over, it really should have. But even without the even if you hadn't deducted the point two hard kicks of that level, how is the guy gonna be able to bounce back and continent?

Also, I didn't like the coaching from Dan Murgleyott.

Also, I didn't like the coaching from Dan Murgleyott.

If I can be honest with you, he's not been on his a game lately, certainly saying the things he did about Michael Vin im page, which he apologized for.

If I can be honest with you, he's not been on his a game lately, certainly saying the things he did about Michael Vin im page, which he apologized for.

And I'm not one of these guys.

And I'm not one of these guys.

Who, if they have a bad again, even the best referees are going to have egregiously bad stoppages. People don't think that, they think that all the stoppages will be good or so so.

Who, if they have a bad again, even the best referees are going to have egregiously bad stoppages. People don't think that, they think that all the stoppages will be good or so so.

No, very good referees can have really bad stoppages.

No, very good referees can have really bad stoppages.

He's had some bad ones, certainly, but this was kind of weird where he was sort of like egging him on.

He's had some bad ones, certainly, but this was kind of weird where he was sort of like egging him on.

It's not his job.

It's not his job.

You do want to give a degree of latitude, you do want to give a degree of space, Brian Campbell, but sort of like being oral support.

You do want to give a degree of latitude, you do want to give a degree of space, Brian Campbell, but sort of like being oral support.

I would not think that that is his role.

I would not think that that is his role.

And I was glad that the commentary team didn't intervene like we had against the Tyson Fury situation. But I've told the corner here what the actual commission is saying, so we got that avoid it. I was actually a little worried they we might saying something, but I didn't care about My two cents.

And I was glad that the commentary team didn't intervene like we had against the Tyson Fury situation. But I've told the corner here what the actual commission is saying, so we got that avoid it. I was actually a little worried they we might saying something, but I didn't care about My two cents.

To close on that is We've seen DC in the commentary role a lot, and he's so lovable, but we normally seen him in the third guy spot sometimes on these combat teams a boxing armor made. The third guy can be the comedy guy, can be a little bit mixed of everything. Seeing him in the number two spot this weekend with Rogan not there, I think that DC isn't just great. I think he might actually be the best coll of commentator in the game today, maybe even across both sports. And I love him more in that dedicated number two role where you can almost build the broadcast around him. No disrespect to Joe Rogan that he's moved on quickly. Was talking about Cornbier to become like a plus at his job.

To close on that is We've seen DC in the commentary role a lot, and he's so lovable, but we normally seen him in the third guy spot sometimes on these combat teams a boxing armor made. The third guy can be the comedy guy, can be a little bit mixed of everything. Seeing him in the number two spot this weekend with Rogan not there, I think that DC isn't just great. I think he might actually be the best coll of commentator in the game today, maybe even across both sports. And I love him more in that dedicated number two role where you can almost build the broadcast around him. No disrespect to Joe Rogan that he's moved on quickly. Was talking about Cornbier to become like a plus at his job.

Yeah, I would just say, very quickly, Paul Felder's great, but when you have d C and Annik there, it's just hard to shine.

Yeah, I would just say, very quickly, Paul Felder's great, but when you have d C and Annik there, it's just hard to shine.

When DC's shining, it's just very, very difficult.

When DC's shining, it's just very, very difficult.

Last thing I'll say about two things real quickly, because jayss to move on. One should about what he says a little bit. Should Cynthia move up to fly weight?

Last thing I'll say about two things real quickly, because jayss to move on. One should about what he says a little bit. Should Cynthia move up to fly weight?

All right?

All right?

Jay back off?

Jay back off?

She should because two out of the last three fights she said is she's making weight. And the problem is she's shown you some championship level in tangibles, toughness, you know, ability to put together a game plan, certain things. She shows you aggressiveness and a finishing ability that looked really good. She just hasn't put the whole package together. When you fail two out of three times, naturally we say go up. But there is a legitimate gap, even though it's only ten pounds between the kind of competition you'll face at the very top at flyweight compared to strawweight, but with flyweight being such a narrow and shallow division, she conceivably could have a much quicker path to a title shot.

She should because two out of the last three fights she said is she's making weight. And the problem is she's shown you some championship level in tangibles, toughness, you know, ability to put together a game plan, certain things. She shows you aggressiveness and a finishing ability that looked really good. She just hasn't put the whole package together. When you fail two out of three times, naturally we say go up. But there is a legitimate gap, even though it's only ten pounds between the kind of competition you'll face at the very top at flyweight compared to strawweight, but with flyweight being such a narrow and shallow division, she conceivably could have a much quicker path to a title shot.

So all in all, I would advise her to move up.

So all in all, I would advise her to move up.

If I was asked.

If I was asked.

Spoke to her on Friday at the Host Hotel and what she basically told me was, I'm going to go to the UFCPI They're going to do a full array of exams and whatever they do. If they say move up, then I'm moving up, which I think is probably the right call. Last thing I'll say is who were the clowns in DC at this event?

Spoke to her on Friday at the Host Hotel and what she basically told me was, I'm going to go to the UFCPI They're going to do a full array of exams and whatever they do. If they say move up, then I'm moving up, which I think is probably the right call. Last thing I'll say is who were the clowns in DC at this event?

Your people? By the way, No they're not.

Your people? By the way, No they're not.

No they're not.

No they're not.

I'll tell you why, because I was there in twenty eleven. It was nothing like that. And I've been to all the ones in all but one of the ones in Fairfax, including when Diaz fought Maynard or when for example.

I'll tell you why, because I was there in twenty eleven. It was nothing like that. And I've been to all the ones in all but one of the ones in Fairfax, including when Diaz fought Maynard or when for example.

Chad Mendex Zombie. That one I missed.

Chad Mendex Zombie. That one I missed.

But the point being is, folks don't realize this is DC is like six hundred thousand people. It's a small city. The surrounding area is six million. The people in DC don't like MMA. Okay, it's either it's a boxing town, or it's a baseball town or a hockey town.

But the point being is, folks don't realize this is DC is like six hundred thousand people. It's a small city. The surrounding area is six million. The people in DC don't like MMA. Okay, it's either it's a boxing town, or it's a baseball town or a hockey town.

That's it.

That's it.

They don't give a shit about MMA, crackdown or not not anymore. It used to be back the mayor and baryon Day's Mayor for life. Dude, those were Arlington Broughs and dun Doc donks out there, mouth breathing.

They don't give a shit about MMA, crackdown or not not anymore. It used to be back the mayor and baryon Day's Mayor for life. Dude, those were Arlington Broughs and dun Doc donks out there, mouth breathing.

They loved they loved Bigkis. You got to give him up for that. They popped huge for the dogs.

They loved they loved Bigkis. You got to give him up for that. They popped huge for the dogs.

They were so embarrassing. I was so embarrassed for that crowd, one of the worst crowds I've heard for a UFC event. I was glad I was not there. Can we say this though? We were at the boxing event, which we'll talk about in just a second. It was such a refreshing moment to go to a boxing show and not have to hear wos all the time.

They were so embarrassing. I was so embarrassed for that crowd, one of the worst crowds I've heard for a UFC event. I was glad I was not there. Can we say this though? We were at the boxing event, which we'll talk about in just a second. It was such a refreshing moment to go to a boxing show and not have to hear wos all the time.

That pisses you off.

That pisses you off.

The dude, It's like, what, who are these low level primates with their mating call to other low level primates where they go to the National Zoo and and please enter the primate house?

The dude, It's like, what, who are these low level primates with their mating call to other low level primates where they go to the National Zoo and and please enter the primate house?

Did they wear their affliction T shirt on the way there.

Did they wear their affliction T shirt on the way there.

I don't give them f what you do, Just please stop coming.

I don't give them f what you do, Just please stop coming.

To so angry so I who are these.

To so angry so I who are these.

Romulus and remiss fucos that wherever they go they decide you get to ruin everyone else's good time.

Romulus and remiss fucos that wherever they go they decide you get to ruin everyone else's good time.

Dude, you pay the ticket. You can take your shirt off and pay things on your churl screen. You can be the just direct, cut it guy if you want.

Dude, you pay the ticket. You can take your shirt off and pay things on your churl screen. You can be the just direct, cut it guy if you want.

To don't enable losers ever.

To don't enable losers ever.

Okay, I'm more of the belief that if I want to get drunk and go to a minor league baseball game and yell at some twenty one year old and talk about his mom, I got that right about the ticket.

Okay, I'm more of the belief that if I want to get drunk and go to a minor league baseball game and yell at some twenty one year old and talk about his mom, I got that right about the ticket.

Yeah, you do have the right. You're also a fuckhead if you do. You're also the kind of person that can't be trained. You probably aren't even housebroken. How many of the people who were wooing aren't even housebroken?

Yeah, you do have the right. You're also a fuckhead if you do. You're also the kind of person that can't be trained. You probably aren't even housebroken. How many of the people who were wooing aren't even housebroken?

In the corner, you just hate pro wrestling, just give in, all right?

In the corner, you just hate pro wrestling, just give in, all right?

Who those pro wrestling fans are MMA fans?

Who those pro wrestling fans are MMA fans?

Yeah, but it's an extension of pro wrestling. It's a Rick Flair.

Yeah, but it's an extension of pro wrestling. It's a Rick Flair.

Well, that's the reason why don't want But okay, let's move on to the second topic at hand. If we can, the biggest fight of the weekend, and it was big in spectacle was certainly big in size.

Well, that's the reason why don't want But okay, let's move on to the second topic at hand. If we can, the biggest fight of the weekend, and it was big in spectacle was certainly big in size.

With with the with Andy Rhees doing he was doing.

With with the with Andy Rhees doing he was doing.

With Anthony Joshua winning back all of his titles against Andy Ruiz in the hotly anticipated rematch in Saudi Arabia. In the end, the story was very obvious. Anthony Joshua just outboxed him from basically pillar to post. It was the jab Brian Campbell, the lateral movement.

With Anthony Joshua winning back all of his titles against Andy Ruiz in the hotly anticipated rematch in Saudi Arabia. In the end, the story was very obvious. Anthony Joshua just outboxed him from basically pillar to post. It was the jab Brian Campbell, the lateral movement.

Everything I said last week, I don't know if you watched the show when you're not.

Everything I said last week, I don't know if you watched the show when you're not.

Honest, I certainly do. I'll go to you first on this. The biggest takeaway from the fight.

Honest, I certainly do. I'll go to you first on this. The biggest takeaway from the fight.

Is what I mean, The biggest takeaway is AJ put the train back on the tracks with really a clinical performance. In anyone after the fact, who's saying, look.

Is what I mean, The biggest takeaway is AJ put the train back on the tracks with really a clinical performance. In anyone after the fact, who's saying, look.

This guy ran, this guy was too safe.

This guy ran, this guy was too safe.

Look to some elements, that kind of criticism is partially correct, but it's calculated. Why because he just got knocked the hell out and lost his unbeaten record and may have lost his invincibility, which was the whole narrative coming in. Could this global superstar put it back on and get in there and resume his career. From that side of the narrative, that the lead story is what Joshua did by having three or four belts.

Look to some elements, that kind of criticism is partially correct, but it's calculated. Why because he just got knocked the hell out and lost his unbeaten record and may have lost his invincibility, which was the whole narrative coming in. Could this global superstar put it back on and get in there and resume his career. From that side of the narrative, that the lead story is what Joshua did by having three or four belts.

He has regained control of the heavyweight division.

He has regained control of the heavyweight division.

He's still the a player in a crowded field of marketable names with Wilder and Fury worldwide. Dude, if you can command ninety thousand in a soccer stadium against anyone, you still have that right. And he, just by the way, made eighty five million on Saturday. Show me anyway, Hold on, let's let's roll on from there. But it's hard to say that's the biggest story when just as equally what Ruiz didn't do, and then you add in his post fight comments. I mean, the words like a disgrace may be hard, but it was disgraceful the way Ruiz carried himself from the feel good story victory on June first to what happened inside the ring there and him coming in fifteen pounds overweight on Friday, and then there was still that twenty four hours of well, maybe he's added so much muscle, maybe blah blah blah, maybe this maybe that it wasn't a horrible performance from Ruiz, but it was certainly a performance that was second class, That was second class, and that was you know, held down by his fitness coming in. I mean he took off that shirt and you saw a tattoo on tatte say an fat right from the start and you're like, oh man. And the fact that he had a potentially wounded guy in front of him and this fight was constructed for us to get our answers. Could Aj still be that guy? I don't really know now if Aj could still be that guy because.

He's still the a player in a crowded field of marketable names with Wilder and Fury worldwide. Dude, if you can command ninety thousand in a soccer stadium against anyone, you still have that right. And he, just by the way, made eighty five million on Saturday. Show me anyway, Hold on, let's let's roll on from there. But it's hard to say that's the biggest story when just as equally what Ruiz didn't do, and then you add in his post fight comments. I mean, the words like a disgrace may be hard, but it was disgraceful the way Ruiz carried himself from the feel good story victory on June first to what happened inside the ring there and him coming in fifteen pounds overweight on Friday, and then there was still that twenty four hours of well, maybe he's added so much muscle, maybe blah blah blah, maybe this maybe that it wasn't a horrible performance from Ruiz, but it was certainly a performance that was second class, That was second class, and that was you know, held down by his fitness coming in. I mean he took off that shirt and you saw a tattoo on tatte say an fat right from the start and you're like, oh man. And the fact that he had a potentially wounded guy in front of him and this fight was constructed for us to get our answers. Could Aj still be that guy? I don't really know now if Aj could still be that guy because.

Ruiz was limited to one punch at a time.

Ruiz was limited to one punch at a time.

He certainly didn't have the pace in the aggressiveness that he had the first time, and then afterwards for him to so honestly say, this is a time where honesty is a bad idea, to say I partied for three months and I didn't think it would affect me, but it did. And to say, sorry, trainer many Roebliss, but I largely trained myself for the last few months, and saying you know, I didn't think the extra weight would bother me. It's sad because this was such a big event, and to a certain degree it's tainted by what Ruiz didn't do. And anyone that wants to tell me, well, Joshua fought so boring, dude, he's trying to save his career. Get on Ruiz for not getting in there and making that a fight.

He certainly didn't have the pace in the aggressiveness that he had the first time, and then afterwards for him to so honestly say, this is a time where honesty is a bad idea, to say I partied for three months and I didn't think it would affect me, but it did. And to say, sorry, trainer many Roebliss, but I largely trained myself for the last few months, and saying you know, I didn't think the extra weight would bother me. It's sad because this was such a big event, and to a certain degree it's tainted by what Ruiz didn't do. And anyone that wants to tell me, well, Joshua fought so boring, dude, he's trying to save his career. Get on Ruiz for not getting in there and making that a fight.

So my takeaway from it was certainly I agree with just about all of that. I would just add, you know, there are real ingredients and I mean it sincerely, there are real ingredients for success long term. Who are the ones who become A plus players? And the reality is, I think a few things have to have it. It has to happen in a way where it incrementally builds over itself so you're used to each stage before the next stage comes. Why do people who win the lottery so often end up spending all of their money or broke, or people who go right from high school to the NBA who don't have good counseling. Sometimes you know a Kwame Brown blows through all their money.

So my takeaway from it was certainly I agree with just about all of that. I would just add, you know, there are real ingredients and I mean it sincerely, there are real ingredients for success long term. Who are the ones who become A plus players? And the reality is, I think a few things have to have it. It has to happen in a way where it incrementally builds over itself so you're used to each stage before the next stage comes. Why do people who win the lottery so often end up spending all of their money or broke, or people who go right from high school to the NBA who don't have good counseling. Sometimes you know a Kwame Brown blows through all their money.

Robert Swift trash that house in Seattle.

Robert Swift trash that house in Seattle.

Yeah, but the point being is you don't know how to handle success. And it was like he was some scrub again. He had a pretty, I think, you know, relatively decorated background in boxing prior to this, but he didn't have the adulation, he didn't have all the visibility, and once he did, he simply didn't know.

Yeah, but the point being is you don't know how to handle success. And it was like he was some scrub again. He had a pretty, I think, you know, relatively decorated background in boxing prior to this, but he didn't have the adulation, he didn't have all the visibility, and once he did, he simply didn't know.

Honestly, he didn't know what it meant.

Honestly, he didn't know what it meant.

He didn't really know what to do with it, which is why he said he parted a little bit because probably.

He didn't really know what to do with it, which is why he said he parted a little bit because probably.

Thought it was gonna a little bit. I mean, you now go back and see the evidence that we got.

Thought it was gonna a little bit. I mean, you now go back and see the evidence that we got.

I don't know if you saw that YouTube series Dank City that followed him around and did that fourth part thing, and all he's doing in there is and chicken wings and pizza, and then we're like, well, was that one celebratory meal or was that how he is? And you see sort of were there were clues along the way, spending the money, party and all that stuff. It could have just been in a little pocket. We didn't know to blow it up. We didn't know what it was. But I'm telling you the moment he took off his shirt and the ring on Saturday, you got your first inclination that ooh, that this didn't go in the right direction. When the whole training camp he talked about getting skinned slim.

I don't know if you saw that YouTube series Dank City that followed him around and did that fourth part thing, and all he's doing in there is and chicken wings and pizza, and then we're like, well, was that one celebratory meal or was that how he is? And you see sort of were there were clues along the way, spending the money, party and all that stuff. It could have just been in a little pocket. We didn't know to blow it up. We didn't know what it was. But I'm telling you the moment he took off his shirt and the ring on Saturday, you got your first inclination that ooh, that this didn't go in the right direction. When the whole training camp he talked about getting skinned slim.

It's more than that too. It's more than just how did he manage his life? The naivete to say you thought it would be just like it was the last time.

It's more than that too. It's more than just how did he manage his life? The naivete to say you thought it would be just like it was the last time.

Well, the night you did to train yourself, Like what are you doing?

Well, the night you did to train yourself, Like what are you doing?

By the way, if you saw his dad comment afterwards, his dad threw I mean, I want to throw him under the bus, but his dad didn't hold back, and good for him. My point being is, if these are levels of success that happened like this versus steadily climbing a ladder, even climbing the ladder very quickly, you just don't know how to handle any of it.

By the way, if you saw his dad comment afterwards, his dad threw I mean, I want to throw him under the bus, but his dad didn't hold back, and good for him. My point being is, if these are levels of success that happened like this versus steadily climbing a ladder, even climbing the ladder very quickly, you just don't know how to handle any of it.

And I didn't.

And I didn't.

And I honestly like to say, I guess all of the overeating, all of the lack of training, all of the partying, all of the spending. I'm with you on I was taking it back when he was like, yeah, I thought it'd be like that in in June.

And I honestly like to say, I guess all of the overeating, all of the lack of training, all of the partying, all of the spending. I'm with you on I was taking it back when he was like, yeah, I thought it'd be like that in in June.

It's like he's like, too honest.

It's like he's like, too honest.

My point is like, Andy, you might have been the only person on earth who thought it would be just like the first time. Even us who had you know, hey, maybe Andy has a chance of doing this, none of us believed he would be the same, it'd be something new.

My point is like, Andy, you might have been the only person on earth who thought it would be just like the first time. Even us who had you know, hey, maybe Andy has a chance of doing this, none of us believed he would be the same, it'd be something new.

He just waltzed in there utterly unprepared for the moment.

He just waltzed in there utterly unprepared for the moment.

It's sad that, you know, whether it was a combination of his manager, his trainer, his father, promoters that as a whole, they weren't able to reel this in. Like I don't like when sometimes there's a random injury that calls out of fights, people say, did that injury really happen? Was that a did they fake it for whatever? This would almost been a reason to fake an injury and really get this to a point where you can compete. You know why no one knew his name outside of hardcore boxing fans coming in because he had showed flashes of ability, but he never could get over the hump and be disciplined. And in his biggest possible moment outside of that June first upset, he had the chance to show us how great he can be.

It's sad that, you know, whether it was a combination of his manager, his trainer, his father, promoters that as a whole, they weren't able to reel this in. Like I don't like when sometimes there's a random injury that calls out of fights, people say, did that injury really happen? Was that a did they fake it for whatever? This would almost been a reason to fake an injury and really get this to a point where you can compete. You know why no one knew his name outside of hardcore boxing fans coming in because he had showed flashes of ability, but he never could get over the hump and be disciplined. And in his biggest possible moment outside of that June first upset, he had the chance to show us how great he can be.

And he punted.

And he punted.

And that's really sad because him at his very best, that would have been a hell of a fun fight. That's super important. And now he who knows is he gonna drift away? Is gonna come back in big fights? All I know is that between him, Eddie Heard and Anthony Joshua after the fight all using that word trilogy, get the hell out of here. He's got a long way to come back before we ever want to see that.

And that's really sad because him at his very best, that would have been a hell of a fun fight. That's super important. And now he who knows is he gonna drift away? Is gonna come back in big fights? All I know is that between him, Eddie Heard and Anthony Joshua after the fight all using that word trilogy, get the hell out of here. He's got a long way to come back before we ever want to see that.

I mean, I'm not gonna call the first time of fluke, but you basically burst onto the scene through what let's call an unlikely win, right, I mean in terms of expectations then or a chance where everyone had an opportunity to recalibrate. Your recalibration is to hit the brakes instead of the gas. I mean that you're telling the world that's who you are. You're telling the world that when when the wind is at your back, you just decide to kick your feet up, rather than let's build, let's pursue, let's grow, let's challenge.

I mean, I'm not gonna call the first time of fluke, but you basically burst onto the scene through what let's call an unlikely win, right, I mean in terms of expectations then or a chance where everyone had an opportunity to recalibrate. Your recalibration is to hit the brakes instead of the gas. I mean that you're telling the world that's who you are. You're telling the world that when when the wind is at your back, you just decide to kick your feet up, rather than let's build, let's pursue, let's grow, let's challenge.

He didn't do it.

He didn't do it.

Sadly, it was Buster Douglas all over again.

Sadly, it was Buster Douglas all over again.

It really was. Sadly, there's no.

It really was. Sadly, there's no.

Chance they make a third fight, at least not anytime soon, which brings us to the next part of this. I just look, maybe he'll fight that being Anthony Joshua, maybe he'll fight Fury. I wouldn't rule that part out if you things have to happen for that to be in place.

Chance they make a third fight, at least not anytime soon, which brings us to the next part of this. I just look, maybe he'll fight that being Anthony Joshua, maybe he'll fight Fury. I wouldn't rule that part out if you things have to happen for that to be in place.

But to me, what I want to happen is Fury is ESPN contractor run out. For that to happen, that's really what's going. Okay, Well, I'm not gonna say it's not it's utterly impossible. But let's say there's some some challenges there. But the one fight to me that seems that it will never happen would be Wilder, in part because there's boxing politics with him being with PBC and not, which would have been great because if Ruiz had one with being with PBC, they could have made that. And and by the way, Deontay Wilder are savaging Ruise over the weekend, and certain he spoke to Achen Barrock from his own as well as Lance Pugmyer from in the Athletic. But the key for me is I just don't buy that Anti Joshua was gonna fight either of.

But to me, what I want to happen is Fury is ESPN contractor run out. For that to happen, that's really what's going. Okay, Well, I'm not gonna say it's not it's utterly impossible. But let's say there's some some challenges there. But the one fight to me that seems that it will never happen would be Wilder, in part because there's boxing politics with him being with PBC and not, which would have been great because if Ruiz had one with being with PBC, they could have made that. And and by the way, Deontay Wilder are savaging Ruise over the weekend, and certain he spoke to Achen Barrock from his own as well as Lance Pugmyer from in the Athletic. But the key for me is I just don't buy that Anti Joshua was gonna fight either of.

Them anytime soon.

Them anytime soon.

So here's a question to break that down.

So here's a question to break that down.

It well, I'll let you go. Is it Dillion White next? Is it?

It well, I'll let you go. Is it Dillion White next? Is it?

I don't know, Cheezora next? Who is Anthony Joshua's gonna take her next? Because it's not gonna be Fury and it's not gonna be wild.

I don't know, Cheezora next? Who is Anthony Joshua's gonna take her next? Because it's not gonna be Fury and it's not gonna be wild.

Hey, Jay's got three titles. The mandatories are lining up.

Hey, Jay's got three titles. The mandatories are lining up.

It's probably more than likely going to be somebody like a kou Rock Poulev, who he was supposed.

It's probably more than likely going to be somebody like a kou Rock Poulev, who he was supposed.

To fight back a year and a half.

To fight back a year and a half.

The grid.

The grid.

Alexander Usik is one of his mandatories.

Alexander Usik is one of his mandatories.

That's a more difficult fight because we don't really know yet if Usik is a legitimate have youweight? I would guess that he would fight like a pool lef first and then maybe rematch at Dillian White, who also won over the weekend, even though he wasn't in great shape. The rematch would be huge in the UK that's more likely where he's going in twenty twenty, while Wilder Fury are going against each other in February, maybe even a third time either some rumors in terms of what the language of the contract means, but the whole idea of Aj fighting Wilder or really fighting anyone else that's non to Zone and has their own TV deal, I think we still have a problem. This is going to sound like in the Weeds and Inside Baseball, but boxing is still handcuffed by politics and the internal idea that while I fight exclusively for this network, how do we make a fight with this one. The fact that the zone is not in the traditional pay per view business still to me as a monster problem to these fights happening. Why could we possibly get Fury Wilder? Actually we are getting it in February, because Fox and ESPN are able with their co pay per view models to come together and team up in the promotion and the production of it. That happened for me with a Pacio, that happened for Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis it rarely ever happens unless the fight is big enough. I have asked everybody over the last year to Zone side, PBC, side the managers. Everybody said, look, is it possible that a dizone superstar fighter like an Anthony Joshua could fight a Deontay Wilder were a Tyson Fury from another.

That's a more difficult fight because we don't really know yet if Usik is a legitimate have youweight? I would guess that he would fight like a pool lef first and then maybe rematch at Dillian White, who also won over the weekend, even though he wasn't in great shape. The rematch would be huge in the UK that's more likely where he's going in twenty twenty, while Wilder Fury are going against each other in February, maybe even a third time either some rumors in terms of what the language of the contract means, but the whole idea of Aj fighting Wilder or really fighting anyone else that's non to Zone and has their own TV deal, I think we still have a problem. This is going to sound like in the Weeds and Inside Baseball, but boxing is still handcuffed by politics and the internal idea that while I fight exclusively for this network, how do we make a fight with this one. The fact that the zone is not in the traditional pay per view business still to me as a monster problem to these fights happening. Why could we possibly get Fury Wilder? Actually we are getting it in February, because Fox and ESPN are able with their co pay per view models to come together and team up in the promotion and the production of it. That happened for me with a Pacio, that happened for Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis it rarely ever happens unless the fight is big enough. I have asked everybody over the last year to Zone side, PBC, side the managers. Everybody said, look, is it possible that a dizone superstar fighter like an Anthony Joshua could fight a Deontay Wilder were a Tyson Fury from another.

Network where it was a joint network deal.

Network where it was a joint network deal.

And everyone sort of says, well, because there's a male end and a female end that don't connect here. If you were coming out and being all sports streaming app and his own and your motto is we killed the pay per view business, how are you going to do a joint effort with somebody else unless you get into the pay per view business. So until I see something rectified in those two models not coming together, It's not like Al Hayman's gonna say go ahead, Dante, go over and fight on his own. No, not gonna happen. Bob Aerram's not going to say, Okay, Tyson Fury, go fight him on his own. Everyone's in their own house saying you got to come to me. So you're really gonna have to wait until the model changes or somebody's contract runs out before we can see these.

And everyone sort of says, well, because there's a male end and a female end that don't connect here. If you were coming out and being all sports streaming app and his own and your motto is we killed the pay per view business, how are you going to do a joint effort with somebody else unless you get into the pay per view business. So until I see something rectified in those two models not coming together, It's not like Al Hayman's gonna say go ahead, Dante, go over and fight on his own. No, not gonna happen. Bob Aerram's not going to say, Okay, Tyson Fury, go fight him on his own. Everyone's in their own house saying you got to come to me. So you're really gonna have to wait until the model changes or somebody's contract runs out before we can see these.

And that's said, it's certainly revealing that in the case of let's look at Mayweather McGregor, Yes it was a boxing match, but ultimately, who are the two promoters? You had an MMA promoter working with Showtime and Mayweather promotions together I mean across sports quite literally. But the reason they could make that happen, to the point you just nicely articulated, is that, ultimately, at the time, what underpinned them both was a similar kind of business model, a similar kind of output, and a deliverable to the product that made Yes, I'm sure negotiation is a little bit difficult, but in the end not insurmountable because in the end they all had a very similar kind of goal for revenue sharing and distribution of the product. The zone kind of complicates that to a pre You.

And that's said, it's certainly revealing that in the case of let's look at Mayweather McGregor, Yes it was a boxing match, but ultimately, who are the two promoters? You had an MMA promoter working with Showtime and Mayweather promotions together I mean across sports quite literally. But the reason they could make that happen, to the point you just nicely articulated, is that, ultimately, at the time, what underpinned them both was a similar kind of business model, a similar kind of output, and a deliverable to the product that made Yes, I'm sure negotiation is a little bit difficult, but in the end not insurmountable because in the end they all had a very similar kind of goal for revenue sharing and distribution of the product. The zone kind of complicates that to a pre You.

Want to talk about a big win for AJ even bigger win for to zone. If you're in the weeds on the business. That was a big win for Disign.

Want to talk about a big win for AJ even bigger win for to zone. If you're in the weeds on the business. That was a big win for Disign.

You shoe the numbers in sky Sports, by the way, So the pay per view one point six million.

You shoe the numbers in sky Sports, by the way, So the pay per view one point six million.

That country is not that big, by the way.

That country is not that big, by the way.

Yeah, just in the UK that is an extremely high number. So to your point, it probably is the biggest star in global boxing. But for well, at least in terms of the heavyweights anyway. But in terms of getting an action fight, I saw some people be like, yeah, I can't wait till we Fight's Wilder. Well, pull a seat up because it's gonna be a while.

Yeah, just in the UK that is an extremely high number. So to your point, it probably is the biggest star in global boxing. But for well, at least in terms of the heavyweights anyway. But in terms of getting an action fight, I saw some people be like, yeah, I can't wait till we Fight's Wilder. Well, pull a seat up because it's gonna be a while.

Yeah, we don't forget wild They got offered but like one hundred and twenty million over for a four fight deal from de Zone earlier this year and turned it down.

Yeah, we don't forget wild They got offered but like one hundred and twenty million over for a four fight deal from de Zone earlier this year and turned it down.

So it is what it is, all right.

So it is what it is, all right.

So tex us to the second though, of the two boxing fights. We were at the other one, Brian Campbell Jamal Charlow defending his WBC medalweight title against Dennis Hogan winning rather would you say rather easily? I would say rather easily. I think in the seventh round. I don't have the numbers right in front of.

So tex us to the second though, of the two boxing fights. We were at the other one, Brian Campbell Jamal Charlow defending his WBC medalweight title against Dennis Hogan winning rather would you say rather easily? I would say rather easily. I think in the seventh round. I don't have the numbers right in front of.

It, say handily more than easily, because it was brilliant, how we set up both knockdowns.

It, say handily more than easily, because it was brilliant, how we set up both knockdowns.

Yes, it was. We were talking about this.

Yes, it was. We were talking about this.

We did the prelim stream, which, by the way, is also I found out from one of our frends here at Showtime they double streamed it once on Showtime Sports and also on this channel. So if some of you who watched me on this channel, we really appreciate that. I know this is predominantly an MMA show, but for those of you who are coming along to boxing, we really appreciate that.

We did the prelim stream, which, by the way, is also I found out from one of our frends here at Showtime they double streamed it once on Showtime Sports and also on this channel. So if some of you who watched me on this channel, we really appreciate that. I know this is predominantly an MMA show, but for those of you who are coming along to boxing, we really appreciate that.

Let me just say this.

Let me just say this.

We had talked about what the challenge was for Jamal in the pre show for the prelim show, and we had thought, you know, look, this is an opportunity for you to really stand out, to really show us your boxing ability, in part because there was a bit of a visibility issue for him, and in part because his last two fights, albeit for some different circumstances, Corbov being a good boxer, and then Adams, you know, yes, coming woted to fourbe hurt his hand in his own hometown, so he needs to come out and have a dynamic display. I would argue mission accomplished for the most part. You know, dropping him with that uppercut was phenomenal. I mean literally taking him off of his feet. The guy did a backwards summersault and then that little dip to the side and then the I think he rushed him with the left.

We had talked about what the challenge was for Jamal in the pre show for the prelim show, and we had thought, you know, look, this is an opportunity for you to really stand out, to really show us your boxing ability, in part because there was a bit of a visibility issue for him, and in part because his last two fights, albeit for some different circumstances, Corbov being a good boxer, and then Adams, you know, yes, coming woted to fourbe hurt his hand in his own hometown, so he needs to come out and have a dynamic display. I would argue mission accomplished for the most part. You know, dropping him with that uppercut was phenomenal. I mean literally taking him off of his feet. The guy did a backwards summersault and then that little dip to the side and then the I think he rushed him with the left.

Yeah, but throwing the faint first to move to have Hogan move his he kind of.

Yeah, but throwing the faint first to move to have Hogan move his he kind of.

He just showed tremendous boxing talent, tremendous athletic ability. Still, the issue is for me, well, it's clear. It's clear at this point, I think, and I said this on the prelim show. I think I stand by it. Now he can punch it one sixty. I don't know why people say he can't punch it one sixty.

He just showed tremendous boxing talent, tremendous athletic ability. Still, the issue is for me, well, it's clear. It's clear at this point, I think, and I said this on the prelim show. I think I stand by it. Now he can punch it one sixty. I don't know why people say he can't punch it one sixty.

I don't know who those people are.

I don't know who those people are.

There's there's some.

There's there's some.

Dumbasses out there. But he could punch it one sixty. Still though, Still, I I just don't know that. That was the kind of performance that like got people to say, wow, that was amazing. It was the kind of performance where I saw people saying afterwards, yeah, that's what you should have done, and he did. Well, he needs to do that against somebody people really truly.

Dumbasses out there. But he could punch it one sixty. Still though, Still, I I just don't know that. That was the kind of performance that like got people to say, wow, that was amazing. It was the kind of performance where I saw people saying afterwards, yeah, that's what you should have done, and he did. Well, he needs to do that against somebody people really truly.

One hundred percent. Now, you're certainly could get a hardcore cynical and by the way, there's no cynics like a boxing cynic that could say, well, you're supposed to do that against Hogan, but Hogan's a durable dude with a weird style. But Charlo did we supposed to do? From the standpoint, if you want to produce a gift, you want to produce a highlight reel knockout. And that's ultimately what he did. And did you see the relief on his face afterwards? He had been so combative in the build up at the way and man, he was just like tied, really damn tight, and to see him just all happy Joijo afterwards showed you the pressure he put on himself to be that guy again. Who's that guy? The guy that when he moved up from a successful run as a title holder at one fifty four, had those two title wind knockouts against Island and against Centino Junior spectacular.

One hundred percent. Now, you're certainly could get a hardcore cynical and by the way, there's no cynics like a boxing cynic that could say, well, you're supposed to do that against Hogan, but Hogan's a durable dude with a weird style. But Charlo did we supposed to do? From the standpoint, if you want to produce a gift, you want to produce a highlight reel knockout. And that's ultimately what he did. And did you see the relief on his face afterwards? He had been so combative in the build up at the way and man, he was just like tied, really damn tight, and to see him just all happy Joijo afterwards showed you the pressure he put on himself to be that guy again. Who's that guy? The guy that when he moved up from a successful run as a title holder at one fifty four, had those two title wind knockouts against Island and against Centino Junior spectacular.

We were talking, is he pund for pound? Is he on the way to there?

We were talking, is he pund for pound? Is he on the way to there?

Like you mentioned, the two decision fights slowed him down a bit, but now it's time really to get him in there with the biggest name you possibly can. And it's not a secret that his owne has invested heavily in the middleweight division. So the big names like a Canelo, a Triple G and Android. For now, we're on the other side of the show street unless promoters are willing to play ball.

Like you mentioned, the two decision fights slowed him down a bit, but now it's time really to get him in there with the biggest name you possibly can. And it's not a secret that his owne has invested heavily in the middleweight division. So the big names like a Canelo, a Triple G and Android. For now, we're on the other side of the show street unless promoters are willing to play ball.

But you're building up.

But you're building up.

Now names on the Showtime Fox, BBC side that are getting interesting. I don't know if you saw Sergey Derevinchenko in the crowd, he called him out. He's a promotional free agent. And you have Chris Ubank Junior on that on niter card.

Now names on the Showtime Fox, BBC side that are getting interesting. I don't know if you saw Sergey Derevinchenko in the crowd, he called him out. He's a promotional free agent. And you have Chris Ubank Junior on that on niter card.

Well, let me get to that. So let me get to that. We didn't talk about this this part. I'm actually really curious to get your opinion. So if you guys didn't see the fight, Korobov and you Bank were in the co main event again, the main event and co main event, all one hundred and sixty pounders, all middleweights. The thought was you Bank Junior coming in, brash, athletic, aggressive, not the most technical boxer, but the kind of guy who could just put the heat on you in big punches, coming off that nice one over to Gail. So we thought, if you can get by Korobov, man, that's your next guy. And he was chirping all a fight week, which would you know, Annoyd Jamal Charlow, I really think the way that ended kind of hurt things a little bit for you Bank a little bit for short time as well. In the sound of that, though, okay, fair enough, here's my thought. I still want to see you Bank take on Charlo because I kind of felt like, yes, Korobob was doing well early, but we all knew that the second half of that fight was gonna be U Bank's fight in all likelihood, still throwing the shoulder out. You just didn't get a chance in your US debut to take the British flag and stamp it in Brooklyn and say I will defend this.