It is Monday.

It is Monday.

What is the day today, the tenth of February twenty twenty, and it is time for a morning comment.

What is the day today, the tenth of February twenty twenty, and it is time for a morning comment.

It's been time for when it's time.

It's been time for when it's time.

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That's so mad right now, so they understand.

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What your terrible argument is about it. Apparently Eminem's rap catalog is like two attractive women in their forties whatever.

Neither here nor there. Welcome everyone.

Neither here nor there. Welcome everyone.

My name is Luke Thomas, host of this program alongside my co host and trustee Steed Brian Campbell from CBS Sports, among the variety of other places as well. We appreciate you guys tuning in before we get to anything else. Of course, please give the video a thumbs up subscribe to the channel. We also appreciate that I do when you do. We're trying to drive those numbers up. So tell a friend. Yeah, I always tell folks to tell people.

My name is Luke Thomas, host of this program alongside my co host and trustee Steed Brian Campbell from CBS Sports, among the variety of other places as well. We appreciate you guys tuning in before we get to anything else. Of course, please give the video a thumbs up subscribe to the channel. We also appreciate that I do when you do. We're trying to drive those numbers up. So tell a friend. Yeah, I always tell folks to tell people.

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So that's how you could pass a lot STDs that way too, you know. Dual threat, yes, dual threat yes.

All right, we got a lot to get to. Did you enjoy two forty seven?

All right, we got a lot to get to. Did you enjoy two forty seven?

By the way, No, that's fair. On paper, it was horrible, and I saw some dunks in our comments trying to defend it. By the way, there's certainly surprises people that jumped out a couple of decent, good fights. Overall, though, the controversy that came out of the Jones Ras fight and the spin off debates that fuel shows like this and your radio show all week, I'm sure it was entertaining. It created a storyline. Had John won a lifeless decision or sort of easily destroyed RAS, I think we would have exited that card.

By the way, No, that's fair. On paper, it was horrible, and I saw some dunks in our comments trying to defend it. By the way, there's certainly surprises people that jumped out a couple of decent, good fights. Overall, though, the controversy that came out of the Jones Ras fight and the spin off debates that fuel shows like this and your radio show all week, I'm sure it was entertaining. It created a storyline. Had John won a lifeless decision or sort of easily destroyed RAS, I think we would have exited that card.

Going.

Going.

Man, they got to do a little bit more for us.

Man, they got to do a little bit more for us.

Let's kick it off.

Let's kick it off.

We'll go to you first in here, all right, folks, John Jones controversially, but John Jones retains his UFC light heavyweight title. He wins a unanimous decision in Houston, Texas. The scores were forty eight, forty seven, forty eight, forty seven, forty nine, forty six. That means two judges had it three rounds to two for John Jones. One judge had it four rounds to one. All right, Brian Campbell, Yes, let's get into this. I talked a lot about this on the weekend on YouTube by my personal platforms, so I would love to hear from you. First question is this one? How did you score it?

We'll go to you first in here, all right, folks, John Jones controversially, but John Jones retains his UFC light heavyweight title. He wins a unanimous decision in Houston, Texas. The scores were forty eight, forty seven, forty eight, forty seven, forty nine, forty six. That means two judges had it three rounds to two for John Jones. One judge had it four rounds to one. All right, Brian Campbell, Yes, let's get into this. I talked a lot about this on the weekend on YouTube by my personal platforms, so I would love to hear from you. First question is this one? How did you score it?

Two?

Two?

Is it a robbery?

Is it a robbery?

Forty eight? Forty seven was my scorecard for dom Reyis was it a rounds? Rounds one, two and three, four and five for John? I agreed with what you said and dissected spoiler alert. Professor Salt and Pepper was there saying, look, one, four and five, can't argue them. They're clear. Two and three are sort of the closer competitive rounds. Robbery is always such a tough word in this spot. Was this a robbery? No? A robbery? And it sort of teases the idea of corruption mixed with ignorance, right, I think this is just a little bit more of ignorance. Boxing fans were uniting Saturday night, going, oh, now, welcome, welcome to the terror Dome. It's called Texas, right, Texas forever? I mean, actually you can lose because we dom Reys didn't he should have won that fight.

Forty eight? Forty seven was my scorecard for dom Reyis was it a rounds? Rounds one, two and three, four and five for John? I agreed with what you said and dissected spoiler alert. Professor Salt and Pepper was there saying, look, one, four and five, can't argue them. They're clear. Two and three are sort of the closer competitive rounds. Robbery is always such a tough word in this spot. Was this a robbery? No? A robbery? And it sort of teases the idea of corruption mixed with ignorance, right, I think this is just a little bit more of ignorance. Boxing fans were uniting Saturday night, going, oh, now, welcome, welcome to the terror Dome. It's called Texas, right, Texas forever? I mean, actually you can lose because we dom Reys didn't he should have won that fight.

What was the palymon Nagi fight where he went crazy on.

What was the palymon Nagi fight where he went crazy on.

The against the first one against against Wan Diaz And uh, you know boxing is full of shit, man. I used to love this sport. Great quote by by PAULI. By the way, Look, here's the deal. We're already stuck in a world in MMA in UFC at the highest level where we are using an archaic boxing scoring system. State by state. The commissions change the rules on so many things anyway, as you saw Saturday night with Texas using an archaic rule set, but the fact that they still haven't figured out at the highest level. We see decisions like this in boxing all the time, whether it's straight up corruptness or whether it's just we're gonna it's it's it's just a combination of it all. Usually an m at the highest level they get it right. I think this was just not ready for prime time judges in a state that isn't you know, always in the top loop in terms of getting the top fights. Yeah, you'll see pay per views in Dallas every once in a while, but I think you just saw people who didn't necessarily fully grasp what they were watching. Now I don't want to sound like an angry, stupid hypocrite here. It was a close fight in the end, John made a huge rally, and if you had it three rounds to two for John Jones, you're not like, let's kick you out the door here. Okay, you could have preferred certain things. But I went back and rewatch rounds two and three multiple times as I'm sure you did, and came away with the same thing. I don't see how you give John Jones the second round. I really don't. We are scoring damage at the end of the day. Rays came forward for most of that round. He did much more activity. It just seemed like that was a pretty clear round. Wasn't one sided, but it was clear. Round three is the problem round. But even within that, Luke, it's like, are we just going to score for Jones because he looked bad in the first two and because he came forward in the third, he wasn't landing damaging shots. I thought that in a very tactical round, which round three was, Reyes was doing the better work. He was smartly mixing in body shots at every turn. He was filling in gaps with activity. I just think in the end, you could have it both ways, but you got to sit there and say what do you prefer more? And if you're giving round three to John Jones, you're only giving it to on the idea that he pushed the fight forward. But it's the same thing as giving it to somebody who gets takedowns but does nothing with it. I think we're advanced past that point where you're not just scoring activity anymore or intention. You've got to score damage and things that actually happened. So I think this was scored under the wrong precepts. I think it was scored under you know, old boxing judge transferring over to MMA, which is sort of the long held thing that people criticize whenever there is a bad decision. I know, we can't have UFC controlled judges. There's an impropriety factor there. It's illegal, you get it. But we need something different than the boxing state commission of each state pretending, even twenty five years into the sport, that they really know what they're doing with MMA. Yeah, MMA is still jungled under the state of boxing commissions for every state. It's not like they have a separate MMA team, right, it's just sort of just thrown together. I could hear an argument on changing the scoring system, that'd be fine. But even under this scoring system, can we just get MMA experienced people? Can we get ex fighters? Can we get So that's why even though when you say I would rather have UFC oversee this, you can't because they're the promoter and you don't want any sort of fear that they're paying or manipulating it whatever. But I would rather have an MMA organization be able to hire, fire, demote, promote people that are actually doing their job based on performance, right because fight to fight, I mean, it happens on the undercards all the time, and UFC we don't make a big deal of it. But we are just seeing scorecards like four to one for John Jones that make zero sense.

The against the first one against against Wan Diaz And uh, you know boxing is full of shit, man. I used to love this sport. Great quote by by PAULI. By the way, Look, here's the deal. We're already stuck in a world in MMA in UFC at the highest level where we are using an archaic boxing scoring system. State by state. The commissions change the rules on so many things anyway, as you saw Saturday night with Texas using an archaic rule set, but the fact that they still haven't figured out at the highest level. We see decisions like this in boxing all the time, whether it's straight up corruptness or whether it's just we're gonna it's it's it's just a combination of it all. Usually an m at the highest level they get it right. I think this was just not ready for prime time judges in a state that isn't you know, always in the top loop in terms of getting the top fights. Yeah, you'll see pay per views in Dallas every once in a while, but I think you just saw people who didn't necessarily fully grasp what they were watching. Now I don't want to sound like an angry, stupid hypocrite here. It was a close fight in the end, John made a huge rally, and if you had it three rounds to two for John Jones, you're not like, let's kick you out the door here. Okay, you could have preferred certain things. But I went back and rewatch rounds two and three multiple times as I'm sure you did, and came away with the same thing. I don't see how you give John Jones the second round. I really don't. We are scoring damage at the end of the day. Rays came forward for most of that round. He did much more activity. It just seemed like that was a pretty clear round. Wasn't one sided, but it was clear. Round three is the problem round. But even within that, Luke, it's like, are we just going to score for Jones because he looked bad in the first two and because he came forward in the third, he wasn't landing damaging shots. I thought that in a very tactical round, which round three was, Reyes was doing the better work. He was smartly mixing in body shots at every turn. He was filling in gaps with activity. I just think in the end, you could have it both ways, but you got to sit there and say what do you prefer more? And if you're giving round three to John Jones, you're only giving it to on the idea that he pushed the fight forward. But it's the same thing as giving it to somebody who gets takedowns but does nothing with it. I think we're advanced past that point where you're not just scoring activity anymore or intention. You've got to score damage and things that actually happened. So I think this was scored under the wrong precepts. I think it was scored under you know, old boxing judge transferring over to MMA, which is sort of the long held thing that people criticize whenever there is a bad decision. I know, we can't have UFC controlled judges. There's an impropriety factor there. It's illegal, you get it. But we need something different than the boxing state commission of each state pretending, even twenty five years into the sport, that they really know what they're doing with MMA. Yeah, MMA is still jungled under the state of boxing commissions for every state. It's not like they have a separate MMA team, right, it's just sort of just thrown together. I could hear an argument on changing the scoring system, that'd be fine. But even under this scoring system, can we just get MMA experienced people? Can we get ex fighters? Can we get So that's why even though when you say I would rather have UFC oversee this, you can't because they're the promoter and you don't want any sort of fear that they're paying or manipulating it whatever. But I would rather have an MMA organization be able to hire, fire, demote, promote people that are actually doing their job based on performance, right because fight to fight, I mean, it happens on the undercards all the time, and UFC we don't make a big deal of it. But we are just seeing scorecards like four to one for John Jones that make zero sense.

This is a complicated one, and I know folks think it's not and folks are like, oh, what's the point in bitching about it?

This is a complicated one, and I know folks think it's not and folks are like, oh, what's the point in bitching about it?

Nothing will change. I never understand that attitude.

Nothing will change. I never understand that attitude.

It's like, are you the kind of person that when the waiter gets your food totally wrong you just end up. It's like you ordered steak and they bring gell o. You're like, hey, I'll eat the gel o. That's that's fine. Who are you who are these people? Yes, you should say something if something is wrong. I don't understand our attitude at all. Now how did I score it? I got rounds one, two and three for rayis four and five for John. Like you, I can squint and sort of see how somebody could come up with a third round for John. So in that sense, is.

It's like, are you the kind of person that when the waiter gets your food totally wrong you just end up. It's like you ordered steak and they bring gell o. You're like, hey, I'll eat the gel o. That's that's fine. Who are you who are these people? Yes, you should say something if something is wrong. I don't understand our attitude at all. Now how did I score it? I got rounds one, two and three for rayis four and five for John. Like you, I can squint and sort of see how somebody could come up with a third round for John. So in that sense, is.

It a robbery?

It a robbery?

No?

No?

It is not. Do you know who?

It is not. Do you know who?

John Jones is starting to become the boxing equipment or the MM equivalent of and from boxing. He's like MMA's Canelo, where every time it goes to the scorecards, you think, man, I think this challenger finally got them, and it never ever happens. They just the judges just seem to keep finding a way.

John Jones is starting to become the boxing equipment or the MM equivalent of and from boxing. He's like MMA's Canelo, where every time it goes to the scorecards, you think, man, I think this challenger finally got them, and it never ever happens. They just the judges just seem to keep finding a way.

So they stop. Pause at that point, right, okay, because I want to I want to dig psychologically heaper into this. Is it just that people come in with a preconceived notion. Now, you can't trust anybody on Twitter because they're probably drinking, don't know how to score a fight, have money on a certain person. So whenever they're giving you a hate for how you score it, I mean I get people that are like, holl the hell did you give one and two to Rayis, I'm like, like, okay, delete really yeah, But just for people that actually do know what they're doing, judges that are paid to do it, is it just that they're thinking so much in their mind Jones is probably gonna win this fight. He's probably gonna end up winning dominantly because he's the greatest of all time. And then when round one slaps them in the face and they're like, oh my god, John got hurt, backed up, thrown off his game plan, basically dominated in round one, right a shocker. Round two was a little bit closer, but Reyes scored the damage, so I guess you got to kind of give it to him, even though two of the three judges gave that to John as well. Or is it just by default that when John closes the gap that you know subconsciously it's all, well, that's a John round because we thought he was gonna win. He started off back, but look at this comeback. I just there's no sort of well.

So they stop. Pause at that point, right, okay, because I want to I want to dig psychologically heaper into this. Is it just that people come in with a preconceived notion. Now, you can't trust anybody on Twitter because they're probably drinking, don't know how to score a fight, have money on a certain person. So whenever they're giving you a hate for how you score it, I mean I get people that are like, holl the hell did you give one and two to Rayis, I'm like, like, okay, delete really yeah, But just for people that actually do know what they're doing, judges that are paid to do it, is it just that they're thinking so much in their mind Jones is probably gonna win this fight. He's probably gonna end up winning dominantly because he's the greatest of all time. And then when round one slaps them in the face and they're like, oh my god, John got hurt, backed up, thrown off his game plan, basically dominated in round one, right a shocker. Round two was a little bit closer, but Reyes scored the damage, so I guess you got to kind of give it to him, even though two of the three judges gave that to John as well. Or is it just by default that when John closes the gap that you know subconsciously it's all, well, that's a John round because we thought he was gonna win. He started off back, but look at this comeback. I just there's no sort of well.

Hold, let me ask you this.

Hold, let me ask you this.

Canelo has a reputation in boxing for being the guy where for example, this has happened many times. But let's use the first Triple G fight as an example. You went into the scorecards. You think, dude, that that guy might have just beaten Canelo, like this is this is a big deal, and then it just sort of doesn't work out that way. Why do you think in boxing Canelo just seems again Mayweather fighting not with any but.

Canelo has a reputation in boxing for being the guy where for example, this has happened many times. But let's use the first Triple G fight as an example. You went into the scorecards. You think, dude, that that guy might have just beaten Canelo, like this is this is a big deal, and then it just sort of doesn't work out that way. Why do you think in boxing Canelo just seems again Mayweather fighting not with any but.

Even in the mawet justifyed boxing's got his? Why did Julio says the stra is get a drug against Parnel Whitaker? Right like, there's.

Even in the mawet justifyed boxing's got his? Why did Julio says the stra is get a drug against Parnel Whitaker? Right like, there's.

Canello has this repeated pattern of.

Canello has this repeated pattern of.

This boxing has much has has one of its feet much more dipped into the pool of corruption. It's obvious right that the the house fighter in so many cases ends up getting the benefit of the doubt all the time.

This boxing has much has has one of its feet much more dipped into the pool of corruption. It's obvious right that the the house fighter in so many cases ends up getting the benefit of the doubt all the time.

So it's not just the why why can't John Jones be the house fighter?

So it's not just the why why can't John Jones be the house fighter?

Well, that's the thing. We'd never have that consistently in MMA. Why did the titles change hands so so briskly, so quickly, because it's largely a fairly contested contest the way things are saying.

Well, that's the thing. We'd never have that consistently in MMA. Why did the titles change hands so so briskly, so quickly, because it's largely a fairly contested contest the way things are saying.

He's been the championew for forever.

He's been the championew for forever.

Canelos specific there are some blatant Canelo fights where you're just like, I can't even see how the scoring got there. But one thing Canelo does really well. Is he's economical and his counterpunching and he lands hard, telling blows. And there are a certain subset of judges in boxing who are just always going to recognize damage above everything else. I think in MMA that's more likely to happen more often in MMA do the judges and they should recognize damage as a higher form of currency than ring generalship and controlling and making a guy sort of, you know, fight your fight right. I don't get how the judges missed this, so I'm asking you is a theory? Is it reactionary though? To? He looked better that round? He's the champion. Oh, we got to give it to him. I think that's what it's.

Canelos specific there are some blatant Canelo fights where you're just like, I can't even see how the scoring got there. But one thing Canelo does really well. Is he's economical and his counterpunching and he lands hard, telling blows. And there are a certain subset of judges in boxing who are just always going to recognize damage above everything else. I think in MMA that's more likely to happen more often in MMA do the judges and they should recognize damage as a higher form of currency than ring generalship and controlling and making a guy sort of, you know, fight your fight right. I don't get how the judges missed this, so I'm asking you is a theory? Is it reactionary though? To? He looked better that round? He's the champion. Oh, we got to give it to him. I think that's what it's.

Got to be. I think that's part of it. That's one part.

Got to be. I think that's part of it. That's one part.

We'll get to another part with the rules set here in just a second. Here's the second part, just about the nuts and bolts of the fight. In particular, I thought that Dominic Reyes had a great game plan. You saw it when I did it and dissected. I encourage everyone to watch. John Jones is very hard to land on in his face. It's not easy to land a hook an uppercut. He slips, he covers, he gets out of the way, he posts a hand on the shoulder to slip to just post away like a heisman. So what Don Reyes did a lot of his shots, particularly in that third round, Brian, he went to the body a lot, a lot of body shots, a lot of body shots, a lot of shots to the leg, and numerically he outstruck.

We'll get to another part with the rules set here in just a second. Here's the second part, just about the nuts and bolts of the fight. In particular, I thought that Dominic Reyes had a great game plan. You saw it when I did it and dissected. I encourage everyone to watch. John Jones is very hard to land on in his face. It's not easy to land a hook an uppercut. He slips, he covers, he gets out of the way, he posts a hand on the shoulder to slip to just post away like a heisman. So what Don Reyes did a lot of his shots, particularly in that third round, Brian, he went to the body a lot, a lot of body shots, a lot of body shots, a lot of shots to the leg, and numerically he outstruck.

But the thing about it was John.

But the thing about it was John.

There was a couple body shots where you could see him go like this and back up, and he gets kicked in the leg, but he combines the fact that he's hard to hurt in the face or that he's really telling blows with the fact that he's got a good poker face. When the fight's over, his cornerman have to carry him out because he can't even stand on his own two feet. But in the rounds he's getting kicked in the leg and he kind of acts like nothing's ever happening. He's very gifted in that particular regard. I think the judges get confused by all of that. Now, in terms of the fight itself, again, I had at three to two for Reyes. I can understand how it could go the other way. To me, the bigger consideration here. And this is the second part of this question, which is should the UFC go back to Texas?

There was a couple body shots where you could see him go like this and back up, and he gets kicked in the leg, but he combines the fact that he's hard to hurt in the face or that he's really telling blows with the fact that he's got a good poker face. When the fight's over, his cornerman have to carry him out because he can't even stand on his own two feet. But in the rounds he's getting kicked in the leg and he kind of acts like nothing's ever happening. He's very gifted in that particular regard. I think the judges get confused by all of that. Now, in terms of the fight itself, again, I had at three to two for Reyes. I can understand how it could go the other way. To me, the bigger consideration here. And this is the second part of this question, which is should the UFC go back to Texas?

And here's my view on this.

And here's my view on this.

I understand there's a business consideration involves one of the Furtida's owns that arena, right, the Lorenzo brother or cousin. I can't remember which one it is, the Toyota Center, Houston, nice venue. By the way, they use an outdated rules system that values forward pressure. Go back and you watch Dissective, which will just see for yourself. It is clear. It is clear that Dom Reyes built into his game plan backing up and using lateral movement to draw John into him to then crack him, and it worked a pretty good effect a number of different times. Here's my point. You asked how you can get a four to one scorecard. We are so used to watching modern fighters with modern games. Under modern considerations, it's just not possible to find four rounds for him three. I can squint and understand it not four. However, if under the old rule set where you really have you are required to value forward pressure, I can honestly see how in rounds two and three you can say, well, one guy had more damage than the other. But it wasn't by a huge amount, and the other guy was marching him down the whole time. I got to take that into consideration. This is my key point. If the UFC has to go back to Texas for business considerations, I get it, they cannot take a title fight there. Again, it is not fair, and this is the key to understanding all of that. Brian, it's not that the modern rules have a different view of forward pressure.

I understand there's a business consideration involves one of the Furtida's owns that arena, right, the Lorenzo brother or cousin. I can't remember which one it is, the Toyota Center, Houston, nice venue. By the way, they use an outdated rules system that values forward pressure. Go back and you watch Dissective, which will just see for yourself. It is clear. It is clear that Dom Reyes built into his game plan backing up and using lateral movement to draw John into him to then crack him, and it worked a pretty good effect a number of different times. Here's my point. You asked how you can get a four to one scorecard. We are so used to watching modern fighters with modern games. Under modern considerations, it's just not possible to find four rounds for him three. I can squint and understand it not four. However, if under the old rule set where you really have you are required to value forward pressure, I can honestly see how in rounds two and three you can say, well, one guy had more damage than the other. But it wasn't by a huge amount, and the other guy was marching him down the whole time. I got to take that into consideration. This is my key point. If the UFC has to go back to Texas for business considerations, I get it, they cannot take a title fight there. Again, it is not fair, and this is the key to understanding all of that. Brian, it's not that the modern rules have a different view of forward pressure.

The modern rules.

The modern rules.

The key insight is, let's develop a system so that you, Brian Campbell the fighter, me Luke Thomas the fighter, we can develop our own style and the new scoring criteria will accommodate it if it's effective with damage and grappling and the things that really matter with the old style. It forces fighters to change the way they fight. You now have to accommodate the forward pressure rule unless you knock a guy out. Otherwise you are fighting not merely your opponent, you are fighting the criteria. They cannot go back to Texas with a title fight until they change.

The key insight is, let's develop a system so that you, Brian Campbell the fighter, me Luke Thomas the fighter, we can develop our own style and the new scoring criteria will accommodate it if it's effective with damage and grappling and the things that really matter with the old style. It forces fighters to change the way they fight. You now have to accommodate the forward pressure rule unless you knock a guy out. Otherwise you are fighting not merely your opponent, you are fighting the criteria. They cannot go back to Texas with a title fight until they change.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with that at all, But I think it even goes deeper. Anyone with a boxing background realizes the history of corruption in boxing and Texas, the constant employment of judges and referees who have a long, bad, dark history of screwing up badly, yet some are related to certain commission members. I mean, it's a it's a mass in Texas. It's a running joke. I hope that wasn't the case in this part. I hope it. It smells like what it looks like, which is just sort of uh inepnis. In the end, here's the maybe not knowing the full the full concept, and maybe playing into what you're saying on outdated rules, And that's fine.

Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with that at all, But I think it even goes deeper. Anyone with a boxing background realizes the history of corruption in boxing and Texas, the constant employment of judges and referees who have a long, bad, dark history of screwing up badly, yet some are related to certain commission members. I mean, it's a it's a mass in Texas. It's a running joke. I hope that wasn't the case in this part. I hope it. It smells like what it looks like, which is just sort of uh inepnis. In the end, here's the maybe not knowing the full the full concept, and maybe playing into what you're saying on outdated rules, And that's fine.

Let me ask you. Let me ask you.

Let me ask you. Let me ask you.

The guy who gave it four rounds to one for John, which again under the Texas rule system, I can see it.

The guy who gave it four rounds to one for John, which again under the Texas rule system, I can see it.

To be honest with you, I don't agree with it, but I could see it. But can you.

To be honest with you, I don't agree with it, but I could see it. But can you.

See it again, not under the modern run three yes, but two dude honestly came.

See it again, not under the modern run three yes, but two dude honestly came.

Forward and two and visibly hurt John twice. I visibly made him back up. John hasn't back up and run from an altercation since that street corner in Albuquerque, that time with the pregnant lady. I mean, they look at his career, it's insane.

Forward and two and visibly hurt John twice. I visibly made him back up. John hasn't back up and run from an altercation since that street corner in Albuquerque, that time with the pregnant lady. I mean, they look at his career, it's insane.

I hear you.

I hear you.

I'm in agreement with you, but I can sort of undersee it or see it. But here's the point I want to ask you about, because honestly, people ask me, I didn't know what to say. The judge, Judge Sales, and forget his first name. You have to forgive me who scored that four rounds to one for John. He also gave it thirty twenty seven to Andre Yule, which I cannot grasp. And here's the real kicker in the fight between James Krause and Trevin Giles, when Krause had Giles's back for nearly four minutes and had multiple choke attempts, a couple of them were pretty tight.

I'm in agreement with you, but I can sort of undersee it or see it. But here's the point I want to ask you about, because honestly, people ask me, I didn't know what to say. The judge, Judge Sales, and forget his first name. You have to forgive me who scored that four rounds to one for John. He also gave it thirty twenty seven to Andre Yule, which I cannot grasp. And here's the real kicker in the fight between James Krause and Trevin Giles, when Krause had Giles's back for nearly four minutes and had multiple choke attempts, a couple of them were pretty tight.

He gave that round to Trevin Giles.

He gave that round to Trevin Giles.

Yeah, it could have been at ten eight for Krass.

Yeah, it could have been at ten eight for Krass.

Okay, ready for this. That guy is a black belt in jiu jitsu and has his own MMA school. Square that one for me because I cannot comprehend that even a little bit.

Okay, ready for this. That guy is a black belt in jiu jitsu and has his own MMA school. Square that one for me because I cannot comprehend that even a little bit.

I mean, there's no hints of corruption in there. It's just ineptness, which takes me back. Even with somebody with an MMA background, which sort of fits the criteria. I'm saying, why are we having old boxing guys do it. There's no accountability at the state commission level. We see it so many times in Big Vegas boxing matches and reporters will go up and call out the Bob Bennett and say why is this person still employed? And there's a lot of bs answers boxing has look. MMA always say this UFC built what it is today on the idea of boxing fans who were sore about what the sport has become, creating this new sport and saying we're going to be completely different and we're not going to do any of those things that get people angry. Well, the closer modern UFC gets to boxing, the more it pisses people off. I think we're starting to see a point that you got to cut it right down the middle right now and create some new system of how you get your judges and your and your referees and how they are held accountable.

I mean, there's no hints of corruption in there. It's just ineptness, which takes me back. Even with somebody with an MMA background, which sort of fits the criteria. I'm saying, why are we having old boxing guys do it. There's no accountability at the state commission level. We see it so many times in Big Vegas boxing matches and reporters will go up and call out the Bob Bennett and say why is this person still employed? And there's a lot of bs answers boxing has look. MMA always say this UFC built what it is today on the idea of boxing fans who were sore about what the sport has become, creating this new sport and saying we're going to be completely different and we're not going to do any of those things that get people angry. Well, the closer modern UFC gets to boxing, the more it pisses people off. I think we're starting to see a point that you got to cut it right down the middle right now and create some new system of how you get your judges and your and your referees and how they are held accountable.

Because but what is that it's a volunteer army. How do you recruit people to come and train up so they can give away their Friday and Saturday nights for very little money. People keep talking about we got to do this, we gotta do that. Okay, by what mechanism. By what mechanism do we actually address this problem Unless the uf gives money to state commissions for this or some other entity, I don't know how people like, oh, we need an MMA specific commission, dude.

Because but what is that it's a volunteer army. How do you recruit people to come and train up so they can give away their Friday and Saturday nights for very little money. People keep talking about we got to do this, we gotta do that. Okay, by what mechanism. By what mechanism do we actually address this problem Unless the uf gives money to state commissions for this or some other entity, I don't know how people like, oh, we need an MMA specific commission, dude.

Most states like.

Most states like.

Not named tech not excuse me, not named Nevada, not named California, not named New Jersey. They don't have a state budget to pay for anybody else. They can barely send enough regulators to various parts of the states, like in Virginia, for example, if you got a fight that's in Roanoke, fuck man, that's like, that's not easy to staff for your Virginia's Department of Licensing Regulation, whatever it's called. So I keep seeing people like proffer these challenges to it, but they're not realistic.

Not named tech not excuse me, not named Nevada, not named California, not named New Jersey. They don't have a state budget to pay for anybody else. They can barely send enough regulators to various parts of the states, like in Virginia, for example, if you got a fight that's in Roanoke, fuck man, that's like, that's not easy to staff for your Virginia's Department of Licensing Regulation, whatever it's called. So I keep seeing people like proffer these challenges to it, but they're not realistic.

They're just we are this was.

They're just we are this was.

I keep saying this to people, and they kind of dismissed it and dismissed it and dismissed it. Which is the big benefit of the UFC running towards regulation is it saved the sport good. It is secure as a foundation that they cannot take away from it, at least not very easily. The problem is they gave a brand new fetus essentially to these state commissions, and now it has grown into an adult and they don't know how to accommodate for all these new changes, new realities. Because they're government bureaucracies. They don't make changes very fast. They don't make them uniformly.

I keep saying this to people, and they kind of dismissed it and dismissed it and dismissed it. Which is the big benefit of the UFC running towards regulation is it saved the sport good. It is secure as a foundation that they cannot take away from it, at least not very easily. The problem is they gave a brand new fetus essentially to these state commissions, and now it has grown into an adult and they don't know how to accommodate for all these new changes, new realities. Because they're government bureaucracies. They don't make changes very fast. They don't make them uniformly.

Money seems to fix any problem, even in fight sports.

Money seems to fix any problem, even in fight sports.

So I don't know.

So I don't know.

Do we raise the salary for judges so we get we get people going after we, Dude, who's we? At some point, the UFC doesn't want this. UFC does not want this image in which you pay them. I need it for a pay per view and you watch a fight like you did. And by the way, we just skipped over the fact that Jones race was an incredible stra I mean it was one of the better title fights we'd seen in a long time. You don't want to know that your eyes saw one thing and then you see the exact opposite with the decision. And again I'm not it's not lost on me that the fight was close. Again, but that's that's a boxing thing that's always about. You want to get away from that. So is it an investment the UFC has to make with more money to get better training and deeper maybe that's the key in the end, Luke, I don't know, but I do want to say one thing. This felt and looked a lot like Johnny Hendrix, George Saint Pierre's I left that fight going. Man, they screwed him.

Do we raise the salary for judges so we get we get people going after we, Dude, who's we? At some point, the UFC doesn't want this. UFC does not want this image in which you pay them. I need it for a pay per view and you watch a fight like you did. And by the way, we just skipped over the fact that Jones race was an incredible stra I mean it was one of the better title fights we'd seen in a long time. You don't want to know that your eyes saw one thing and then you see the exact opposite with the decision. And again I'm not it's not lost on me that the fight was close. Again, but that's that's a boxing thing that's always about. You want to get away from that. So is it an investment the UFC has to make with more money to get better training and deeper maybe that's the key in the end, Luke, I don't know, but I do want to say one thing. This felt and looked a lot like Johnny Hendrix, George Saint Pierre's I left that fight going. Man, they screwed him.

The CSP took way more damage in that fight. I mean, he was really messed up in that postfight pressor remember that yeah, famous photo of that Esther Lynn has with the ice pack here in his talk he was very much not not with it on there.

The CSP took way more damage in that fight. I mean, he was really messed up in that postfight pressor remember that yeah, famous photo of that Esther Lynn has with the ice pack here in his talk he was very much not not with it on there.

But I had that same feeling of remorse for the fighter knowing and look, it wasn't a robbery again, but they did. Don reis dirty in the end. There can be a difference between there. It's not that there would have been a consolation had one judge scored it three to it for res right what I feel better sitting here right now. Maybe he doesn't win anything more in that case, but he deserved at least one judge going well, hold on like three two rais. The fact that it wasn't is where you get the extra level layers of outcry, because then you can go see he never had a chance. See. And I just want to say one other thing for people that still don't understand the idea of round by round scoring in either boxing or MMA, because I see a lot of this online. Well, he didn't actually beat the champ, right, he didn't actually go out there and whatever mixed with well, how do you win a fight? How do you win a championship when you're running out of guest? Last two rounds? Please? People wake up again, Please, it's round by round. It's five individual fights within one fight. Can we get that? Nobody waits till the end and goes Oh, John had a better gas tank in the end, he was coming on late. It doesn't matter.

But I had that same feeling of remorse for the fighter knowing and look, it wasn't a robbery again, but they did. Don reis dirty in the end. There can be a difference between there. It's not that there would have been a consolation had one judge scored it three to it for res right what I feel better sitting here right now. Maybe he doesn't win anything more in that case, but he deserved at least one judge going well, hold on like three two rais. The fact that it wasn't is where you get the extra level layers of outcry, because then you can go see he never had a chance. See. And I just want to say one other thing for people that still don't understand the idea of round by round scoring in either boxing or MMA, because I see a lot of this online. Well, he didn't actually beat the champ, right, he didn't actually go out there and whatever mixed with well, how do you win a fight? How do you win a championship when you're running out of guest? Last two rounds? Please? People wake up again, Please, it's round by round. It's five individual fights within one fight. Can we get that? Nobody waits till the end and goes Oh, John had a better gas tank in the end, he was coming on late. It doesn't matter.

And also people don't understand this.

And also people don't understand this.

When the round is over, so round one ends, they have to turn in their scorecard and that's it.

When the round is over, so round one ends, they have to turn in their scorecard and that's it.

They don't get to go back and change it.

They don't get to go back and change it.

I can't deal with any more.

I can't deal with any more.

Here's the other part with this system crashing early on, Remember that we have to add all this up. And then if you saw the scorecards for the main event, the first two rounds were all written by hand and then the other three were written or printed out in the computer essentially, And it's like, dude, I don't mean to get into this because I don't want.

Here's the other part with this system crashing early on, Remember that we have to add all this up. And then if you saw the scorecards for the main event, the first two rounds were all written by hand and then the other three were written or printed out in the computer essentially, And it's like, dude, I don't mean to get into this because I don't want.

To make a political two thousand elections.

To make a political two thousand elections.

It feels like Gore versus Florida, or Bush me Gore whatever it was all over again, or the Iowa Democrats are hoaring Bernie Sanders. It's just like, oh my god, can't you cannot go to a commission that does not have it shit together, and Texas does not in any circumstance.

It feels like Gore versus Florida, or Bush me Gore whatever it was all over again, or the Iowa Democrats are hoaring Bernie Sanders. It's just like, oh my god, can't you cannot go to a commission that does not have it shit together, and Texas does not in any circumstance.

And I know we can't hold the what fighters say afterwards, but John saying, look, you know, I think I won that fight. Look what I did in the wrestling at the end. Well, John, you did the wrestling in the two rounds in which everyone knows you already won and no one's disputing, and you took him down four total times, and he got right back up all four times. There's not much you can get. There's not a lot of there's not a lot of hefty factor in that in terms of the score in rounds. He already won, by the way.

And I know we can't hold the what fighters say afterwards, but John saying, look, you know, I think I won that fight. Look what I did in the wrestling at the end. Well, John, you did the wrestling in the two rounds in which everyone knows you already won and no one's disputing, and you took him down four total times, and he got right back up all four times. There's not much you can get. There's not a lot of there's not a lot of hefty factor in that in terms of the score in rounds. He already won, by the way.

So so now the question becomes what should be next. We'll talk about whether or not the champion fights are in play in just a moment, but a fight that is gaining a little bit of momentum is what about a rematch? Fact, what about an immediate rematch for Dominic Reyesk.

So so now the question becomes what should be next. We'll talk about whether or not the champion fights are in play in just a moment, but a fight that is gaining a little bit of momentum is what about a rematch? Fact, what about an immediate rematch for Dominic Reyesk.

I wonder what you feel about this.

I wonder what you feel about this.

There have been two two rematches in John Jones's career, obviously, the gust Ofson rematch and the Cormier rematch. In the first gust of Sin and Cormier fights, they both go the full five minutes. In the second gust of Sin and Cormier fights, he stops both of them inside of three. Now, Cormier looked pretty good before he got stopped. Look, he had made some adaptations to gust Ofson. I don't think ever really got going. But the common denominator, right, I mean, there's a bunch of stuff happening, but the common denominator is it does not go well for folks that passed his prologue in terms of that. However, the difference between those two Brian and this situation is that there was a lot of time in between the first and second Cormier fight, and especially the first and second gust Ofson fight. John has never had an immediate rematch that'll be have very much a first for him. So while he simply does better in rematches that he has had, what do you make of the idea of a they're being a rematch, and two, if that's the case, knowing what we know about John, do you like Dominick's chances?

There have been two two rematches in John Jones's career, obviously, the gust Ofson rematch and the Cormier rematch. In the first gust of Sin and Cormier fights, they both go the full five minutes. In the second gust of Sin and Cormier fights, he stops both of them inside of three. Now, Cormier looked pretty good before he got stopped. Look, he had made some adaptations to gust Ofson. I don't think ever really got going. But the common denominator, right, I mean, there's a bunch of stuff happening, but the common denominator is it does not go well for folks that passed his prologue in terms of that. However, the difference between those two Brian and this situation is that there was a lot of time in between the first and second Cormier fight, and especially the first and second gust Ofson fight. John has never had an immediate rematch that'll be have very much a first for him. So while he simply does better in rematches that he has had, what do you make of the idea of a they're being a rematch, and two, if that's the case, knowing what we know about John, do you like Dominick's chances?

I felt that weird that this was not really a topic of conversation after the fight, whether it be in the cage or in postfight press conference afterwards. And it's not that I'm gonna sit here and damn dom Reis for being humble and being like, well, it is what it is. But if I'm Don reys in that spot, I'm maybe talking up a little bit more about how the judges got it wrong. Can't you see what I did out there? With that said, though certainly dom deserves it, I almost want to press pause and time out. And you know, no dong jokes, no over the top, prove how smart and angry we are. Can we just celebrate what happened on Saturday night? And that's this rare, pure moment in sports where somebody makes the leap right in front of you and goes to a level that you didn't think possible.

I felt that weird that this was not really a topic of conversation after the fight, whether it be in the cage or in postfight press conference afterwards. And it's not that I'm gonna sit here and damn dom Reis for being humble and being like, well, it is what it is. But if I'm Don reys in that spot, I'm maybe talking up a little bit more about how the judges got it wrong. Can't you see what I did out there? With that said, though certainly dom deserves it, I almost want to press pause and time out. And you know, no dong jokes, no over the top, prove how smart and angry we are. Can we just celebrate what happened on Saturday night? And that's this rare, pure moment in sports where somebody makes the leap right in front of you and goes to a level that you didn't think possible.

No, no, we said on this show last week we knew he was capable of something.

No, no, we said on this show last week we knew he was capable of something.

There's a difference between saying Don Reyes is a live dog and when I say live dog, I think it's possible he could hurt John. It's possible he could have moments in there. Luke, there's a difference in my mind from doing that and saying he can win three rounds, he can make the great John Jones back up, he can cover up get hurt. I didn't think that was possible. I didn't think his takedown defense after watching the Volcanos Demir fight was possible on that level. Five round cardios, So I just want to celebrate for a moment, But it was the.

There's a difference between saying Don Reyes is a live dog and when I say live dog, I think it's possible he could hurt John. It's possible he could have moments in there. Luke, there's a difference in my mind from doing that and saying he can win three rounds, he can make the great John Jones back up, he can cover up get hurt. I didn't think that was possible. I didn't think his takedown defense after watching the Volcanos Demir fight was possible on that level. Five round cardios, So I just want to celebrate for a moment, But it was the.

Five round cardio was the part that got him in trouble a little bit.

Five round cardio was the part that got him in trouble a little bit.

All right, But you're Rays's family is watching this, They're like, can we celebrate the guy? I mean, to see somebody become something I didn't think they could was fantastic. And that fuels this next argument where I think UFC and John Jones have to get into a room and they have to go what are we doing with this heavyweight move? Because Luke, John Jones is thirty two now, he's not the same guy. I'm not gonna submit subscribe to you any idea that he's washed or anything like that, but he's certainly not the same mid twenties attacking youthful guy. He's smarter and more efficient, and the younger athletes today are catching up with him to a degree. Dom Rays has a legitimate star championship potential right now. I believe from this performance like it was an eye opener, it was a wake up call. I think UFC has to figure out do we want to take the chance of wasting that by giving him an immediate rematch. Knowing that John's future is more likely at a heavyweight than not, and with John being thirty two when DC moved up to heavyweight, moved back up to heavyweight, I was just sort of like, damn even pushing forty the speed advantage that he has against those guys is mind is mind altering. I've wanted John to go to heavyweight for so long, to really start the second chapter of his LEGSCY put the idea of being to go way out where it can't be touched. He would age so gracefully, in my opinion, with that gap in speed from light heavyweight to heavyweight and just be able to flourish and shine. If you're UFC, do you want to basically say, hey, John, we'll think about the Atisagnja thing. That'd be a nice time waster, right, But if not, you're going north because we got to find out right now how great Don Reis is. Let's go Don Reis against Maheta for the interim title, right like, let's let's let's roll the dice in that direction. I don't think you gain much unless John's future is at two o five and he wants to stay there, and he wants to be essentially this Bernard Hopkins start to the end of the career in in one division.

All right, But you're Rays's family is watching this, They're like, can we celebrate the guy? I mean, to see somebody become something I didn't think they could was fantastic. And that fuels this next argument where I think UFC and John Jones have to get into a room and they have to go what are we doing with this heavyweight move? Because Luke, John Jones is thirty two now, he's not the same guy. I'm not gonna submit subscribe to you any idea that he's washed or anything like that, but he's certainly not the same mid twenties attacking youthful guy. He's smarter and more efficient, and the younger athletes today are catching up with him to a degree. Dom Rays has a legitimate star championship potential right now. I believe from this performance like it was an eye opener, it was a wake up call. I think UFC has to figure out do we want to take the chance of wasting that by giving him an immediate rematch. Knowing that John's future is more likely at a heavyweight than not, and with John being thirty two when DC moved up to heavyweight, moved back up to heavyweight, I was just sort of like, damn even pushing forty the speed advantage that he has against those guys is mind is mind altering. I've wanted John to go to heavyweight for so long, to really start the second chapter of his LEGSCY put the idea of being to go way out where it can't be touched. He would age so gracefully, in my opinion, with that gap in speed from light heavyweight to heavyweight and just be able to flourish and shine. If you're UFC, do you want to basically say, hey, John, we'll think about the Atisagnja thing. That'd be a nice time waster, right, But if not, you're going north because we got to find out right now how great Don Reis is. Let's go Don Reis against Maheta for the interim title, right like, let's let's let's roll the dice in that direction. I don't think you gain much unless John's future is at two o five and he wants to stay there, and he wants to be essentially this Bernard Hopkins start to the end of the career in in one division.

You know. So here's the way I look at this. Here's what I don't want to see.

You know. So here's the way I look at this. Here's what I don't want to see.

I have no interest in John Jones versus the winner of Cordy Anderson and Yamblhovich. Now maybe the winner of Anthony Smith Glover to Schera if it's Anthony, But if it's Glover, Glover's past forty I just don't like his chances. I will say this, though, if John stays at two oh five while the immediate fights other than a Dominic Reyes rematch don't interest me. To me, it was clear on Saturday, You're right, he's not the same guy. What's keeping him like really competitive in these fights is he has unbelievably good defense. And chin, and his chin is amazing, but he doesn't get hit that much. You'll go through it undissected, or just look at the tape yourself in slow motion.

I have no interest in John Jones versus the winner of Cordy Anderson and Yamblhovich. Now maybe the winner of Anthony Smith Glover to Schera if it's Anthony, But if it's Glover, Glover's past forty I just don't like his chances. I will say this, though, if John stays at two oh five while the immediate fights other than a Dominic Reyes rematch don't interest me. To me, it was clear on Saturday, You're right, he's not the same guy. What's keeping him like really competitive in these fights is he has unbelievably good defense. And chin, and his chin is amazing, but he doesn't get hit that much. You'll go through it undissected, or just look at the tape yourself in slow motion.

He is so good.

He is so good.

A lot of shots you think land, they kind of graze. He's so good at rolling and covering. He's just got unbelievably great defense. And that is so valuable for him because that's going to keep him fresh over the long run. Except to the body into the legs. The key for me is that his offense has deteriorated. Now, understand what I'm saying. I am not saying it's falling off a cliff. That's not the way when you use the word deterioration. I'm not here to challenge you.

A lot of shots you think land, they kind of graze. He's so good at rolling and covering. He's just got unbelievably great defense. And that is so valuable for him because that's going to keep him fresh over the long run. Except to the body into the legs. The key for me is that his offense has deteriorated. Now, understand what I'm saying. I am not saying it's falling off a cliff. That's not the way when you use the word deterioration. I'm not here to challenge you.

I'm sorry.

I'm sorry.

I want you to explain it more. Is it more that the speed and explosiveness has slown down, or is it mixed with the mentality of not wanting to people down and take chances.

I want you to explain it more. Is it more that the speed and explosiveness has slown down, or is it mixed with the mentality of not wanting to people down and take chances.

All of the above. I think it's partly.

All of the above. I think it's partly.

I don't think he has the same wrestling ability that he once did, and or the game is just caught up right because he used to Like when John used to want to take someone down, they went flat to their back. That's just not the case anymore. Partly that could be because he's smarter about reserving his energy and going the distance. Part of it could be the people are just better at stopping the takedowns. But here's the fact, it's just not as effective. The only fight that the wrestling was worse for John, I want to say, was the first Gust of Sin fight where he went one four eleven.

I don't think he has the same wrestling ability that he once did, and or the game is just caught up right because he used to Like when John used to want to take someone down, they went flat to their back. That's just not the case anymore. Partly that could be because he's smarter about reserving his energy and going the distance. Part of it could be the people are just better at stopping the takedowns. But here's the fact, it's just not as effective. The only fight that the wrestling was worse for John, I want to say, was the first Gust of Sin fight where he went one four eleven.

This was two for nine.

This was two for nine.

So this is like historically one of his worst performances in terms of wrestling and in terms of the striking. He's a bit of a rhythm guy. He has to kind of get going a little bit. These guys like Dom who can stick and move, they're terrible matchups for him in that particular regard if they can stay within their stamina. Here's my point. Dom wasn't the guy to do it on Saturday, whatever one's opinion. The Barbarians at two h five are at the gate. Brian Campbell. They are at the gate and they are knocking. And I don't know if it's Corey Anderson. I don't know if it's Yom Bohovich. In fact, I don't think that it is. But sooner or later. If he sticks around there, they're gonna have his number because the truth is as good as he has been, maybe the very best we've ever seen. If you fight tough guys long enough, eventually tough guys win. That is the thing you just cannot beat, especially as you age and especially as the game There is bake Bond from ma Junkie told me, there's five hours and forty minutes of footage on this guy. You can watch all of his development. Shogun may have lost, Rashad may have lost, Liota may have lost, Dominic Rayes may have lost, but each of them helped fill out the blueprint to see where this guy is at. Someone's gonna put that all together. Maybe it's Dominic ray is in the next fight. I wouldn't mind seeing it, but it's gonna happen now. We got to move along. So let's talk about this. If it's not Dominic Rays Brian Campbell, let's make a choice here. We talked about it last week. Is it Israel Atasanya? Is it Steve A.

So this is like historically one of his worst performances in terms of wrestling and in terms of the striking. He's a bit of a rhythm guy. He has to kind of get going a little bit. These guys like Dom who can stick and move, they're terrible matchups for him in that particular regard if they can stay within their stamina. Here's my point. Dom wasn't the guy to do it on Saturday, whatever one's opinion. The Barbarians at two h five are at the gate. Brian Campbell. They are at the gate and they are knocking. And I don't know if it's Corey Anderson. I don't know if it's Yom Bohovich. In fact, I don't think that it is. But sooner or later. If he sticks around there, they're gonna have his number because the truth is as good as he has been, maybe the very best we've ever seen. If you fight tough guys long enough, eventually tough guys win. That is the thing you just cannot beat, especially as you age and especially as the game There is bake Bond from ma Junkie told me, there's five hours and forty minutes of footage on this guy. You can watch all of his development. Shogun may have lost, Rashad may have lost, Liota may have lost, Dominic Rayes may have lost, but each of them helped fill out the blueprint to see where this guy is at. Someone's gonna put that all together. Maybe it's Dominic ray is in the next fight. I wouldn't mind seeing it, but it's gonna happen now. We got to move along. So let's talk about this. If it's not Dominic Rays Brian Campbell, let's make a choice here. We talked about it last week. Is it Israel Atasanya? Is it Steve A.

Meochic?

Meochic?

The question for you is, given how John performed, and again you can make a very clear case that he won given how he performed, which one makes more sense for the UFC.

The question for you is, given how John performed, and again you can make a very clear case that he won given how he performed, which one makes more sense for the UFC.

Right now, here's what's there's a wildcard actor and me answer this question. There's not though, because John, if you hear him talk over the last year after this comeback from the most recent USADA failure, is about history and the one record he doesn't now. He's he's closing it. He's three wins away from Seroni's most wins. He just became the winningest fighter in title fights. He doesn't have the title defense record though, because of the breakups in his title reign due to the due to his things outside the cage. So I almost feel like he would want to linger at two a five and say himself, well, I could beat Reys and or rematch, I could beat Corey Anderson, I could beat whatever. I don't want him to linger. I don't think the UFC would want him to linger. That's why I think sitting down is a big part, because I think the path for Jones is to explore the idea of an out of Soignia fight, which would mean aut of Soignia beating Romero coming up and would mean they both want it. We want to go down this road. We can make it big, we can make it fun. If not, though, I think the move is to heavyweight, and I think the move is a non title heavyweight, a bout that main events of pay per view that does big business because of the intrigue against a former champion with the name, and then you wait out the winner of d step A three. I think part of John going public to Ariel in the interview and talking so matter of fact about I can beat step A tomorrow and I want to. I think it's still a little bit more of this DC thing will never end. You know what, if I can win DC's title and hold it up in front of him type of deal, I think that's not as realistic now that John kind of struggled to come away with a decision here. I think that it would be fun to throw them in that pool. It would do so much for the heavyweight division and just rise up the value and create fun matchups. So I think the answer to your question is both. But you go you go through the idea of the out of Sannya fight first, because, as we said last week, when John moves up, that window closes unless Israel can prove he can keep rising and wait and you know, be the same guy in each way.

Right now, here's what's there's a wildcard actor and me answer this question. There's not though, because John, if you hear him talk over the last year after this comeback from the most recent USADA failure, is about history and the one record he doesn't now. He's he's closing it. He's three wins away from Seroni's most wins. He just became the winningest fighter in title fights. He doesn't have the title defense record though, because of the breakups in his title reign due to the due to his things outside the cage. So I almost feel like he would want to linger at two a five and say himself, well, I could beat Reys and or rematch, I could beat Corey Anderson, I could beat whatever. I don't want him to linger. I don't think the UFC would want him to linger. That's why I think sitting down is a big part, because I think the path for Jones is to explore the idea of an out of Soignia fight, which would mean aut of Soignia beating Romero coming up and would mean they both want it. We want to go down this road. We can make it big, we can make it fun. If not, though, I think the move is to heavyweight, and I think the move is a non title heavyweight, a bout that main events of pay per view that does big business because of the intrigue against a former champion with the name, and then you wait out the winner of d step A three. I think part of John going public to Ariel in the interview and talking so matter of fact about I can beat step A tomorrow and I want to. I think it's still a little bit more of this DC thing will never end. You know what, if I can win DC's title and hold it up in front of him type of deal, I think that's not as realistic now that John kind of struggled to come away with a decision here. I think that it would be fun to throw them in that pool. It would do so much for the heavyweight division and just rise up the value and create fun matchups. So I think the answer to your question is both. But you go you go through the idea of the out of Sannya fight first, because, as we said last week, when John moves up, that window closes unless Israel can prove he can keep rising and wait and you know, be the same guy in each way.

So here's what I would say.

So here's what I would say.

There is one more piece of the puzzle we have to figure out here, which is Romero versus Auta Sonia. And that presser on Friday was unbelievable. The promo that they played on Saturday gave me the chills. I don't know, I am insanely excited about this. I don't I'm more excited for this fight right now. This should watch lightning strike me down right now.

There is one more piece of the puzzle we have to figure out here, which is Romero versus Auta Sonia. And that presser on Friday was unbelievable. The promo that they played on Saturday gave me the chills. I don't know, I am insanely excited about this. I don't I'm more excited for this fight right now. This should watch lightning strike me down right now.

I am more excited about Sanya Romero than even Habib Tony. And it doesn't even make sense to say that, But as I'm sitting there watching for me, As I'm sitting there watching them at the press conference on Friday, I'm going it's the perfect fight. Violence in this fight and the skill level and the fact that both are going to come forward at fricking will to prove something right. Romero finally cashing in and saying I'm not that lovable bride's made loser, weight cutter. You know you saw a guy. I no, I'm the freak of nature that is going to win a title in my early forties, and at A Sonya saying I gotta be at the toughest guy in this jail boy.

I am more excited about Sanya Romero than even Habib Tony. And it doesn't even make sense to say that, But as I'm sitting there watching for me, As I'm sitting there watching them at the press conference on Friday, I'm going it's the perfect fight. Violence in this fight and the skill level and the fact that both are going to come forward at fricking will to prove something right. Romero finally cashing in and saying I'm not that lovable bride's made loser, weight cutter. You know you saw a guy. I no, I'm the freak of nature that is going to win a title in my early forties, and at A Sonya saying I gotta be at the toughest guy in this jail boy.

Here's the thing, Auto Sonya.

Here's the thing, Auto Sonya.

In terms of the challenge he faces in Romero, it's a big physical challenge, big power, puncher, athletic, explosive, all that kind of stuff we all know about Romero. But the thing is his His control once he gets the takedown has never been good. It's why Robert Witker was able to get up. He's not He's not a folk style kabi risk ride guy, but in terms of getting a whole of you and putting you down, he can do it very easily. To me, I want to see how Attasianya answers the physical challenge both in the striking and the wrestling department. There, if he handles it ably, and the fact that he is taking it on when he doesn't have to is just champagne. This could be, by the way, yes or no, because I want to finish my point champions seeking out fighters that are boogeymen of the divisions when they don't have to.

In terms of the challenge he faces in Romero, it's a big physical challenge, big power, puncher, athletic, explosive, all that kind of stuff we all know about Romero. But the thing is his His control once he gets the takedown has never been good. It's why Robert Witker was able to get up. He's not He's not a folk style kabi risk ride guy, but in terms of getting a whole of you and putting you down, he can do it very easily. To me, I want to see how Attasianya answers the physical challenge both in the striking and the wrestling department. There, if he handles it ably, and the fact that he is taking it on when he doesn't have to is just champagne. This could be, by the way, yes or no, because I want to finish my point champions seeking out fighters that are boogeymen of the divisions when they don't have to.

It does not happen in combat sports.

It does not happen in combat sports.

And when it does, and sir, come on, give me, give me what I need right now, here's.

And when it does, and sir, come on, give me, give me what I need right now, here's.

What I will say.

What I will say.

Maybe you give Ray as the immediate rematch, but what one way or the other. If Atasanya beats Romero and looks like he is capable of answering some of the physical challenges they're in, that's the guy to beat John Jones, because on the feat at a Signya is going to style on basically anybody in the UFC. Obviously, as we know, John has such a reach, he's got a clever He's ad an amazing fight at que and while his wrestling has deteriorated, that's been something of a lagging part in At a Signya's game. But if he can shore that up, I'm telling you.

Maybe you give Ray as the immediate rematch, but what one way or the other. If Atasanya beats Romero and looks like he is capable of answering some of the physical challenges they're in, that's the guy to beat John Jones, because on the feat at a Signya is going to style on basically anybody in the UFC. Obviously, as we know, John has such a reach, he's got a clever He's ad an amazing fight at que and while his wrestling has deteriorated, that's been something of a lagging part in At a Signya's game. But if he can shore that up, I'm telling you.

Why, that's the way Sonya at the press conference when asked about it, saying summer of twenty twenty one Raiders Stadium, Las Vegas will do it. Then why do you think he's pushing that off when again, the idea would be that I know John's John would be a year older, but he'd also be going going higher up to heavyweight. By that.

Why, that's the way Sonya at the press conference when asked about it, saying summer of twenty twenty one Raiders Stadium, Las Vegas will do it. Then why do you think he's pushing that off when again, the idea would be that I know John's John would be a year older, but he'd also be going going higher up to heavyweight. By that.

Yeah, well he needs the I think he knows he needs the time to work on that. But one thing that's been very clear about a sign you he just gets good so fast.

Yeah, well he needs the I think he knows he needs the time to work on that. But one thing that's been very clear about a sign you he just gets good so fast.

So for him to say during the press conference, which is true, like I've done all this in less than two years in the UF.

So for him to say during the press conference, which is true, like I've done all this in less than two years in the UF.

It's insane crazy.

It's insane crazy.