It is Monday, the twenty fifth of November twenty nineteen, and it is time for Morning Combat. Hello everyone, my name is Duke Thomas.

It is Monday, the twenty fifth of November twenty nineteen, and it is time for Morning Combat. Hello everyone, my name is Duke Thomas.

I'm the host of this program.

I'm the host of this program.

Next to my trusty Steed and co hosts from CBS Sports at LILT as many other places, I think the one and only Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how are you fired up? Man?

Next to my trusty Steed and co hosts from CBS Sports at LILT as many other places, I think the one and only Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how are you fired up? Man?

I'm I'm packed in, I'm holding, I'm smiling, I'm living, I'm golden.

I'm I'm packed in, I'm holding, I'm smiling, I'm living, I'm golden.

Let's rock this house.

Let's rock this house.

Which nineties reference is this?

Which nineties reference is this?

Oh? Come on, come on? I don't know.

Oh? Come on, come on? I don't know.

All right, well, you know, yeah, I wonder. I wonder what life you lived in the nineties. Often, to be honest with I.

All right, well, you know, yeah, I wonder. I wonder what life you lived in the nineties. Often, to be honest with I.

Was in high school.

Was in high school.

All right, It's fine. Apparently I'm being told a third line, which means which makes you lame?

All right, It's fine. Apparently I'm being told a third line, which means which makes you lame?

I mean going give him going by your music choices.

I mean going give him going by your music choices.

I just got to ask you, where were you while we were getting high? You know what I mean, because.

I just got to ask you, where were you while we were getting high? You know what I mean, because.

I like, yeah I was.

I like, yeah I was.

I went to the Cannibal Corpse concert yesterday. We'll get into that. You want to set you in Philadelphia, you know, It's amazing to me. Philadelphia, by the way, nice town. You're like, if you were like spent time in phillyp I've done some time, then okay you can. You could die there. You gotta be careful. I went to Eastern State Penitentiary while we were retort it. It was kind of cool, but nice town. Actually, they don't mosh. They're they're kind of cowardly in terms of the pit. I was very scry. We're gonna get right into it.

I went to the Cannibal Corpse concert yesterday. We'll get into that. You want to set you in Philadelphia, you know, It's amazing to me. Philadelphia, by the way, nice town. You're like, if you were like spent time in phillyp I've done some time, then okay you can. You could die there. You gotta be careful. I went to Eastern State Penitentiary while we were retort it. It was kind of cool, but nice town. Actually, they don't mosh. They're they're kind of cowardly in terms of the pit. I was very scry. We're gonna get right into it.

You were attacking me, harassing me on social media.

You were attacking me, harassing me on social media.

I was harassing you.

I was harassing you.

I was.

I was.

I was telling you how much I missed you.

I was telling you how much I missed you.

Brian with live shots of can can we get the picture up there that you put out and you you added me on there of here's here's here's cool dad Luke at the concert.

Brian with live shots of can can we get the picture up there that you put out and you you added me on there of here's here's here's cool dad Luke at the concert.

By the way, notice quite explicitly above my left ear is an ear plug. I'm that guy. All right, well this is the thing.

By the way, notice quite explicitly above my left ear is an ear plug. I'm that guy. All right, well this is the thing.

Because you put it out there, a lot of people all wonder what Campbell thinks about this. But then I started to look at that picture, Luke, how cool are you if you're going to a a a flesh eating concert and you're sitting up in the upper deck, yes, with an air piece? Yeah, I have to be honest with you, not what I think of when I watch that. Oh yes, Jay, can we hit it up there? Yeah, but there's not kids at the show, and there's some twenty year old you can't get down there and throw your weight around.

Because you put it out there, a lot of people all wonder what Campbell thinks about this. But then I started to look at that picture, Luke, how cool are you if you're going to a a a flesh eating concert and you're sitting up in the upper deck, yes, with an air piece? Yeah, I have to be honest with you, not what I think of when I watch that. Oh yes, Jay, can we hit it up there? Yeah, but there's not kids at the show, and there's some twenty year old you can't get down there and throw your weight around.

I mean, so, here's the deal. I was with my wife number one and she didn't want to be on the floor for two reasons. One, she doesn't want to mash, which is fine. But two, she's short, she's cheeky Tika, she's five to two, so she can't literally see anything. So I paid extra to go to what they call the crow's nest and it was fine up there. So look, I'm too old to be beating up kids. Bro, I'm just too fucking old to be doing that. I've had my I've had my day in the pit, and you.

I mean, so, here's the deal. I was with my wife number one and she didn't want to be on the floor for two reasons. One, she doesn't want to mash, which is fine. But two, she's short, she's cheeky Tika, she's five to two, so she can't literally see anything. So I paid extra to go to what they call the crow's nest and it was fine up there. So look, I'm too old to be beating up kids. Bro, I'm just too fucking old to be doing that. I've had my I've had my day in the pit, and you.

Guys eat Friday embryo when you're up there. I mean, what's kind of what's the delicacy of the show like this?

Guys eat Friday embryo when you're up there. I mean, what's kind of what's the delicacy of the show like this?

This is true hot dogs, hot dogs, but they rock.

This is true hot dogs, hot dogs, but they rock.

This is the Corpse Grinder official shirt of the lead singer.

This is the Corpse Grinder official shirt of the lead singer.

You were amazing.

You were amazing.

You're a psychological experiment. I feel like you're a good education away from being a ditch digger.

You're a psychological experiment. I feel like you're a good education away from being a ditch digger.

I really feel like, probably here's the last thing I'll say about it the last thing I'll say about defensive death metal. It's not forever. But the reality is this. I like boundary pushing music. I like that hip hop, and I like that in my metal. I don't like the conventional stuff. It bores me. It does nothing, that does nothing, It rarely does something for me. I like it when people make like not merely aggressive, but unusual music. You like lyrics about rape is.

I really feel like, probably here's the last thing I'll say about it the last thing I'll say about defensive death metal. It's not forever. But the reality is this. I like boundary pushing music. I like that hip hop, and I like that in my metal. I don't like the conventional stuff. It bores me. It does nothing, that does nothing, It rarely does something for me. I like it when people make like not merely aggressive, but unusual music. You like lyrics about rape is.

Well, there is a song called strip, raped and strangled.

Well, there is a song called strip, raped and strangled.

So hey, great way to start the show. It is Monday of something right, it is so over the weekend. Let's get this started on that lovely note. There was a big boxing fight on Saturday. It was at the MGM Grand It was between Deontay Wilder, you're reigning and defending WBC champion, and Luis Ortiz's was a rematch in the making. We had talked about it extensively, Brian Campbell, and in the end, Deontay Wilder wins in the seventh round. Here's the interesting part about it, however, Brian, as you well know, he was losing every minute of that fight. Essentially, there was maybe and when I say maybe, I do mean maybe one round.

So hey, great way to start the show. It is Monday of something right, it is so over the weekend. Let's get this started on that lovely note. There was a big boxing fight on Saturday. It was at the MGM Grand It was between Deontay Wilder, you're reigning and defending WBC champion, and Luis Ortiz's was a rematch in the making. We had talked about it extensively, Brian Campbell, and in the end, Deontay Wilder wins in the seventh round. Here's the interesting part about it, however, Brian, as you well know, he was losing every minute of that fight. Essentially, there was maybe and when I say maybe, I do mean maybe one round.

You could give I had six to nothing straight up.

You could give I had six to nothing straight up.

That's exactly how I had it too. I saw one place bad left hook. I think Scott christ the bad left hook had it fifty nine. Where the fifty nine? Forget what the matthews on this one?

That's exactly how I had it too. I saw one place bad left hook. I think Scott christ the bad left hook had it fifty nine. Where the fifty nine? Forget what the matthews on this one?

You want to float around to Wilder. Okay, but this was one side.

You want to float around to Wilder. Okay, but this was one side.

This was a one sided event. I did it on dissected.

This was a one sided event. I did it on dissected.

You can just see how much better of a boxer Luis Ortiz was.

You can just see how much better of a boxer Luis Ortiz was.

But in the end it just it just didn't matter. Brian.

But in the end it just it just didn't matter. Brian.

One shot a right hand from Wilder puts him down. Two questions for you to start today's show. Number one, what does this fight tell you new if anything? And secondly, where do we rank Deontay Wilder all time in terms of power punching?

One shot a right hand from Wilder puts him down. Two questions for you to start today's show. Number one, what does this fight tell you new if anything? And secondly, where do we rank Deontay Wilder all time in terms of power punching?

The question You're almost connected in a way because this guy, you can say it without any form of hyperbole or asterisk next to it. He has legendary power. We're watching the making of a special and unique career. The difference in the first fight, I told you in the preview coming in was conditioning. What do we see from Lewis Ortiz? The second round of time came and ripped, came in ready, he has no excuses to make after this loss. He was winning six to nothing on my card. He looked like he was en route to potentially should this have gone the distance, having a legitimate claim no scorecard issues this time around. All three judges had him comfortably ahead at the time of stoppage. And yet, just like Wilder said after the fight, he said this quote many times, they have to be perfect for twelve rounds, I have to be perfect for two seconds. And it's insane how unique and special of a fighter he is. He has legendary power. Is it better than Sonny Liston's, Mike Tyson's Ernie Shaver's really hard to really sort of pick that out. But the difference I think between him and some of these legendary heavyweights. Right We've seen guys like Rocky Marciano rally against Jersey, Joe Wolcot for a dramatic knockout, George Foreman against Michael Moore, but those are sort of aberrations in their career. Yet Wilder is consistently doing that every single fight, almost to the point of strategy. He's a lot smarter than we realize. He's not going out there and getting a lucky punch. He's downloading information the same way a flood Mayweather would using that later, not the same IQ, not the same style. But my point is he's doing the things he needs to do to win the fight, which is he's not worried about the scorecards. He knows he's in better shape than you, and he's gonna sort of wait until that second half if he doesn't catch.

The question You're almost connected in a way because this guy, you can say it without any form of hyperbole or asterisk next to it. He has legendary power. We're watching the making of a special and unique career. The difference in the first fight, I told you in the preview coming in was conditioning. What do we see from Lewis Ortiz? The second round of time came and ripped, came in ready, he has no excuses to make after this loss. He was winning six to nothing on my card. He looked like he was en route to potentially should this have gone the distance, having a legitimate claim no scorecard issues this time around. All three judges had him comfortably ahead at the time of stoppage. And yet, just like Wilder said after the fight, he said this quote many times, they have to be perfect for twelve rounds, I have to be perfect for two seconds. And it's insane how unique and special of a fighter he is. He has legendary power. Is it better than Sonny Liston's, Mike Tyson's Ernie Shaver's really hard to really sort of pick that out. But the difference I think between him and some of these legendary heavyweights. Right We've seen guys like Rocky Marciano rally against Jersey, Joe Wolcot for a dramatic knockout, George Foreman against Michael Moore, but those are sort of aberrations in their career. Yet Wilder is consistently doing that every single fight, almost to the point of strategy. He's a lot smarter than we realize. He's not going out there and getting a lucky punch. He's downloading information the same way a flood Mayweather would using that later, not the same IQ, not the same style. But my point is he's doing the things he needs to do to win the fight, which is he's not worried about the scorecards. He knows he's in better shape than you, and he's gonna sort of wait until that second half if he doesn't catch.

You early, and wait till you wear down.

You early, and wait till you wear down.

And little spoiler Eilert Professor Salt and Pepper really did a good job this week on Dissected sort of breaking that down. And the reason why I say he's so unique and special is this. He's not Ali or Fraser or Tyson or Bo or holy Field, and he's never gonna be. And we as fans and critics have to get to that point where we go, I'm gonna stop comparing him against them and saying when is he gonna square up his boxing? When he's not gonna do any of that. He's going down one lane of the road and relying on his one superhuman strength and building his whole game around that in such an efficient and smart way that historically at six seven, with that athleticism, he can fight against anybody, he's going to be in any fight. This is now a special, unique career in a ten titles in an era that seems to be a little bit more deep than the last one, the Klitchko era. These are not all legends and killers that he's fighting, but he wants to fight everybody and within those grounds. Except for the first fight with Steverr when he broke his right hand in round three, and except for that legendary fight against Tyson Fury that we're going to see a second time in which he dropped Fury twice and nearly decapitated him. If you go twelve rounds with him, you're not making the final round. And once we stop trying to force him to be who he's never going to be as a guy who came into this sport late at nineteen years old, and just celebrate.

And little spoiler Eilert Professor Salt and Pepper really did a good job this week on Dissected sort of breaking that down. And the reason why I say he's so unique and special is this. He's not Ali or Fraser or Tyson or Bo or holy Field, and he's never gonna be. And we as fans and critics have to get to that point where we go, I'm gonna stop comparing him against them and saying when is he gonna square up his boxing? When he's not gonna do any of that. He's going down one lane of the road and relying on his one superhuman strength and building his whole game around that in such an efficient and smart way that historically at six seven, with that athleticism, he can fight against anybody, he's going to be in any fight. This is now a special, unique career in a ten titles in an era that seems to be a little bit more deep than the last one, the Klitchko era. These are not all legends and killers that he's fighting, but he wants to fight everybody and within those grounds. Except for the first fight with Steverr when he broke his right hand in round three, and except for that legendary fight against Tyson Fury that we're going to see a second time in which he dropped Fury twice and nearly decapitated him. If you go twelve rounds with him, you're not making the final round. And once we stop trying to force him to be who he's never going to be as a guy who came into this sport late at nineteen years old, and just celebrate.

What he is.

What he is.

He builds the entire fight around that one moment. And it wasn't one of those crazy helicopter shots people can watch difect it and see it. It was a perfect timed thing that was set up along the way where we have to stop and go, not only is this guy special and unique, but who the hell outside of Tyson. Fury has a chance to beat him right now. Every time he goes in there, it's mussy TV, and he delivers the damn boom. I hope, Luke and we can talk about Wilder to which will happen February twenty second, and talk about what it can do and be big. I hope that this fight, with the ESPN and Fox connection coming together for a joint network pay per view, can push Wilder's brand to a level where it deserves to be, because what else would you want in a renaissance heavyweight division than to have the main guy, the guy who's probably the best of them all. Although let's give Fury a chance to prove that in the second fight. Be charismatic, be coming out during fight week and being like, Yeah, I'm gonna kill a man one day in the ring and make crazy comments that make headlines, come out there with a eyes wide shut mask and all this wild stuff and then knock suckers out. This is exactly who we want, This is exactly who we need. And I've never been a big Wilder cheerleader from day one, but at this point, if you are a critic, what leg are you standing on?

He builds the entire fight around that one moment. And it wasn't one of those crazy helicopter shots people can watch difect it and see it. It was a perfect timed thing that was set up along the way where we have to stop and go, not only is this guy special and unique, but who the hell outside of Tyson. Fury has a chance to beat him right now. Every time he goes in there, it's mussy TV, and he delivers the damn boom. I hope, Luke and we can talk about Wilder to which will happen February twenty second, and talk about what it can do and be big. I hope that this fight, with the ESPN and Fox connection coming together for a joint network pay per view, can push Wilder's brand to a level where it deserves to be, because what else would you want in a renaissance heavyweight division than to have the main guy, the guy who's probably the best of them all. Although let's give Fury a chance to prove that in the second fight. Be charismatic, be coming out during fight week and being like, Yeah, I'm gonna kill a man one day in the ring and make crazy comments that make headlines, come out there with a eyes wide shut mask and all this wild stuff and then knock suckers out. This is exactly who we want, This is exactly who we need. And I've never been a big Wilder cheerleader from day one, but at this point, if you are a critic, what leg are you standing on?

I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna say anymore about this guy. You know, it's so funny to me. It's like people keep waiting for the party trick to not work, and we're nearly fifty fights into his career and it just keeps working. Now you can argue that Tyson Fury maybe should have won the first fight. In fact, I think he can go on the fight. Let's be honest. He got screwed.

I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna say anymore about this guy. You know, it's so funny to me. It's like people keep waiting for the party trick to not work, and we're nearly fifty fights into his career and it just keeps working. Now you can argue that Tyson Fury maybe should have won the first fight. In fact, I think he can go on the fight. Let's be honest. He got screwed.

Yeah, I thought he did so too.

Yeah, I thought he did so too.

But at the end, at the same time, the dynamism of that punch and how it changed the fight and what the intrigue it sends for the rematch is simply undeniable. I mean, here's the reality. You kind of know what's gonna happen against Tyson Fury. He's gonna out box Deantay Wilder, There's just no question about it. But to your point, in the tiniest of windows, when your defense is just a little bit not even bad, just a little bit lazy, a little bit complacent, which fighters do time to time, including elite ones, he'll just sends you into the land of wind and ghosts. It's it's wild, and I think you're right about the expectations. He's never like you. Look at this fight, dude, Ortiz was the better boxer, not by a little bit, by a lot.

But at the end, at the same time, the dynamism of that punch and how it changed the fight and what the intrigue it sends for the rematch is simply undeniable. I mean, here's the reality. You kind of know what's gonna happen against Tyson Fury. He's gonna out box Deantay Wilder, There's just no question about it. But to your point, in the tiniest of windows, when your defense is just a little bit not even bad, just a little bit lazy, a little bit complacent, which fighters do time to time, including elite ones, he'll just sends you into the land of wind and ghosts. It's it's wild, and I think you're right about the expectations. He's never like you. Look at this fight, dude, Ortiz was the better boxer, not by a little bit, by a lot.

Well, not just that, look just a PAUSEI real quick tell me after that performance that Ortiz isn't at worst the third best heavyweight in the game. Right now, I would favor him against josh against Joshua Ruiz, almost anyone else.

Well, not just that, look just a PAUSEI real quick tell me after that performance that Ortiz isn't at worst the third best heavyweight in the game. Right now, I would favor him against josh against Joshua Ruiz, almost anyone else.

I don't look at that performance up to that point of that, I don't know where I would put Ortiz, But to your point, I'd be curious to see those matchups, and there might be some surprises there are along the way. He's certainly a very talented guy. Wilder has two KOs over this guy. Now, it's unbelievable, and this one cleaner than the last. There was some dispute about the ending, but the point about it is, Look, he's not going to be the guy that wows you with the footwork. He's not going to be the guy that wows you with his angles or his incredible use of the jab or whatever, except in little, tiny spots, and then those spots combined with the nuclear power of his right hand, it is simply at always you were just on the seat edge of your seat, waiting is this going to be the punch? Is the next one going to be the punch? And the reality is he keeps delivering from the moment he does the media, to his walkout with his crazy get ups, to his fight, and that fight kind of sucked up until it didn't. But in the end, did you get what you want? If you were a fight fan, you did?

I don't look at that performance up to that point of that, I don't know where I would put Ortiz, But to your point, I'd be curious to see those matchups, and there might be some surprises there are along the way. He's certainly a very talented guy. Wilder has two KOs over this guy. Now, it's unbelievable, and this one cleaner than the last. There was some dispute about the ending, but the point about it is, Look, he's not going to be the guy that wows you with the footwork. He's not going to be the guy that wows you with his angles or his incredible use of the jab or whatever, except in little, tiny spots, and then those spots combined with the nuclear power of his right hand, it is simply at always you were just on the seat edge of your seat, waiting is this going to be the punch? Is the next one going to be the punch? And the reality is he keeps delivering from the moment he does the media, to his walkout with his crazy get ups, to his fight, and that fight kind of sucked up until it didn't. But in the end, did you get what you want? If you were a fight fan, you did?

If you wasn't boring the whole time. No, it's dramatic edge of your seat, but waiting for that moment.

If you wasn't boring the whole time. No, it's dramatic edge of your seat, but waiting for that moment.

If you pay money for Deontay Wilder, does he deliver for you every time? Every time he does. Now the question about where his power ranks, I'm with you. It's like, on the one hand, he doesn't do He's not as good of a box as Tyson or Listen or Shavers. Those guys did great work with angles and with their feet and bodywork. But that's kind of what makes him remarkable. He doesn't have those boxing tools and maybe he's not fighting the same level of competition. But at the same time, the guys who are giving him he's just sitting them down over and over and over again. So my rule on him is I don't know where to place him, but there's no argument that he deserves placement. You can you can quibble with the ranking, but as an all time historic puncher, that's where he belongs on that list absolutely, especially at range.

If you pay money for Deontay Wilder, does he deliver for you every time? Every time he does. Now the question about where his power ranks, I'm with you. It's like, on the one hand, he doesn't do He's not as good of a box as Tyson or Listen or Shavers. Those guys did great work with angles and with their feet and bodywork. But that's kind of what makes him remarkable. He doesn't have those boxing tools and maybe he's not fighting the same level of competition. But at the same time, the guys who are giving him he's just sitting them down over and over and over again. So my rule on him is I don't know where to place him, but there's no argument that he deserves placement. You can you can quibble with the ranking, but as an all time historic puncher, that's where he belongs on that list absolutely, especially at range.

Again, the body work kind of changes things a little bit.

Again, the body work kind of changes things a little bit.

I mean, he's a head hunter.

I mean, he's a head hunter.

He doesn't go to the body in some fights as much of a jab, or he doesn't use a jab as a weapon if you're smart enough as a boxer to sort of do things to counteract that. And yet again he's not getting lucky. He's setting it up and nailing it. So you have to be done saying I'm waiting for him to be exposed, because we're past that point. We would say, what would happen if you have twelve rounds if he did that against the Verne? Right, Like, what would happen if you, Brian?

He doesn't go to the body in some fights as much of a jab, or he doesn't use a jab as a weapon if you're smart enough as a boxer to sort of do things to counteract that. And yet again he's not getting lucky. He's setting it up and nailing it. So you have to be done saying I'm waiting for him to be exposed, because we're past that point. We would say, what would happen if you have twelve rounds if he did that against the Verne? Right, Like, what would happen if you, Brian?

We'll say, to interject you. I find may he's been exposed. The problem is it's not a secret. He's not that great of a boxer. It doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter that much. That's the problem, and I think people miss that. They use his corner.

We'll say, to interject you. I find may he's been exposed. The problem is it's not a secret. He's not that great of a boxer. It doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter that much. That's the problem, and I think people miss that. They use his corner.

J Diis and Mark Breathlan the Hall of Fame er, They very intelligently use his vulnerabilities and negativities to help build his strength. They use it as a factor. He gets raw at times, but raw in a way that freezes his opponents and makes him scared. I mean the success that Lewis Ortiz had for six rounds or five and a half rounds in the first fight. There's really nobody else outside of Fury who's six foot nine with an incredibly historic long reach and has quickness that can be able to have that kind of success. Why why does he blow away a guy like Brazil the first punch he lands that's cleaned the first round because that power is not only so lethal, the thread of that power is so sick that you can't come out with your best performance and have success because the first or second time.

J Diis and Mark Breathlan the Hall of Fame er, They very intelligently use his vulnerabilities and negativities to help build his strength. They use it as a factor. He gets raw at times, but raw in a way that freezes his opponents and makes him scared. I mean the success that Lewis Ortiz had for six rounds or five and a half rounds in the first fight. There's really nobody else outside of Fury who's six foot nine with an incredibly historic long reach and has quickness that can be able to have that kind of success. Why why does he blow away a guy like Brazil the first punch he lands that's cleaned the first round because that power is not only so lethal, the thread of that power is so sick that you can't come out with your best performance and have success because the first or second time.

He touches you, you could go away.

He touches you, you could go away.

Ortiez was the guy who just happened to be six foot five with a great amateur background, power in both hands, and a great chin, and a willingness from his quote coming in that I'm willing to die in the ring to win if I have to. And even he got caught and blown away. So this now builds up to Wilder is maxing himself out. He's being the best that he could possibly be within his own body and skills and experience, and I think it makes this Tyson Fury rematch even bigger given this calendar year. Now, if two devastating knockouts from Wilder, then it would have been had it happened right after the first one.

Ortiez was the guy who just happened to be six foot five with a great amateur background, power in both hands, and a great chin, and a willingness from his quote coming in that I'm willing to die in the ring to win if I have to. And even he got caught and blown away. So this now builds up to Wilder is maxing himself out. He's being the best that he could possibly be within his own body and skills and experience, and I think it makes this Tyson Fury rematch even bigger given this calendar year. Now, if two devastating knockouts from Wilder, then it would have been had it happened right after the first one.

Because when you have promoter like Bob.

Because when you have promoter like Bob.

Aram who's on the ESPN side with Fury, saying, oh that I think this fight can do two million pay per views, I think that's a little aggressive. But at the same time, we've never seen a pay per view be done with two networks that are primetime regular TV networks like Fox and ESPN using the build to the Super Bowl that they'll be able to use on Fox and also on ESPN, and to see what that engine can do this rematch February. And thank you, by the way, Deontay Wilder for not hurting your hand or getting a cut. Thank you for coming out of that sh quickly. His last two fights didn't take a whole lot of damage. This rematch could end up being, with the right promotion machine, one of those fights that we haven't had in a long time.

Aram who's on the ESPN side with Fury, saying, oh that I think this fight can do two million pay per views, I think that's a little aggressive. But at the same time, we've never seen a pay per view be done with two networks that are primetime regular TV networks like Fox and ESPN using the build to the Super Bowl that they'll be able to use on Fox and also on ESPN, and to see what that engine can do this rematch February. And thank you, by the way, Deontay Wilder for not hurting your hand or getting a cut. Thank you for coming out of that sh quickly. His last two fights didn't take a whole lot of damage. This rematch could end up being, with the right promotion machine, one of those fights that we haven't had in a long time.

Every I think million is.

Every I think million is.

Now the basement in my potential, I think you can go one and a half and that is a monster success in twenty nine two.

Now the basement in my potential, I think you can go one and a half and that is a monster success in twenty nine two.

But I think even one and a.

But I think even one and a.

Half is saying, like or twenty twenty, even one and a half can't be a ceiling because we don't know what the potential look. Don't We've never seen in the modern days using the Super Bowl build on Fox, you know, to build up a fight like this. It's interesting the potential of this fight, and I love what it's doing for the damn heavyweight division. You remember what it's like growing up as a kid in the nineties. Of course I say this story all the time. But after like Bowl Holyfield won, what would you do? You turn on Sports Center and you'd get like a half hour on site to lead off the show of bernstein and of Charlie Steiner giving you all the I mean, it was the biggest story in sports, and sometimes even more than sports when you would have these heavyweight title fights. And once again, I'm not telling you that Fury, while they're Joshua Ruiz and Orties are as good as the seventies or nineties crop that we had the two best eras in heavyweight history. They're pretty damn fun. They make musty fights. They come to win this era, this renaissance section in history that we're going through. We're getting there. This wilder fury too, could be that monster fight that pulls everybody back in.

Half is saying, like or twenty twenty, even one and a half can't be a ceiling because we don't know what the potential look. Don't We've never seen in the modern days using the Super Bowl build on Fox, you know, to build up a fight like this. It's interesting the potential of this fight, and I love what it's doing for the damn heavyweight division. You remember what it's like growing up as a kid in the nineties. Of course I say this story all the time. But after like Bowl Holyfield won, what would you do? You turn on Sports Center and you'd get like a half hour on site to lead off the show of bernstein and of Charlie Steiner giving you all the I mean, it was the biggest story in sports, and sometimes even more than sports when you would have these heavyweight title fights. And once again, I'm not telling you that Fury, while they're Joshua Ruiz and Orties are as good as the seventies or nineties crop that we had the two best eras in heavyweight history. They're pretty damn fun. They make musty fights. They come to win this era, this renaissance section in history that we're going through. We're getting there. This wilder fury too, could be that monster fight that pulls everybody back in.

And it's such an easy sell for all the reasons you mentioned. These two guys at the peak of their game. There's the lineal title belt thing going on versus WBC. But on top of that, American versus Englishman. I'm sorry this is a relevant factor in boxing, white versus black. It's not about that, but I'm saying there's this contrast of backgrounds and identities, and it's also an easy sell to the public. It's like, you've got a better boxer and a better puncher and I don't know what's going to happen, but.

And it's such an easy sell for all the reasons you mentioned. These two guys at the peak of their game. There's the lineal title belt thing going on versus WBC. But on top of that, American versus Englishman. I'm sorry this is a relevant factor in boxing, white versus black. It's not about that, but I'm saying there's this contrast of backgrounds and identities, and it's also an easy sell to the public. It's like, you've got a better boxer and a better puncher and I don't know what's going to happen, but.

Well, they both have the kryptonite for each other. It's exactly no one else can produce.

Well, they both have the kryptonite for each other. It's exactly no one else can produce.

That's exactly right.

That's exactly right.

And you've seen them enacted before to that very controversial draw, so it's a rematch you can draw upon that controversy. It's the easiest sell in boxing for a heavyweight fight, and sometime life sat thing I'd say about it is and I mentioned this on Dissected. I'm not comparing their two games in any real capacity other than to say the following. If there is one person that Deontay Wilder reminds me of in terms of his I'll just put it this way offensive priorities, it's Joel Romero. Jol Romero will take and MMA is very different. You're gonna go Hendo with the h bomb there, but no, but it's because jol Romero will take a round or two and then the third round kaboom, out of nowhere. Chris Widman was beating you Ol Romero in New York City thoroughly until he wasn't. And you see that again. Luke Rockole was kind of winning that one pretty cleanly until he was He has this ability to have these third round out of nowhere explosive moments. And again, of course he had that Pedigreen wrestling. I don't want to over stretch the comparison except to say there are guys in the game who just don't mind giving away some real estate on the cards because they know I just need a little bit of space later and I'm going to tear you to piece if he does it.

And you've seen them enacted before to that very controversial draw, so it's a rematch you can draw upon that controversy. It's the easiest sell in boxing for a heavyweight fight, and sometime life sat thing I'd say about it is and I mentioned this on Dissected. I'm not comparing their two games in any real capacity other than to say the following. If there is one person that Deontay Wilder reminds me of in terms of his I'll just put it this way offensive priorities, it's Joel Romero. Jol Romero will take and MMA is very different. You're gonna go Hendo with the h bomb there, but no, but it's because jol Romero will take a round or two and then the third round kaboom, out of nowhere. Chris Widman was beating you Ol Romero in New York City thoroughly until he wasn't. And you see that again. Luke Rockole was kind of winning that one pretty cleanly until he was He has this ability to have these third round out of nowhere explosive moments. And again, of course he had that Pedigreen wrestling. I don't want to over stretch the comparison except to say there are guys in the game who just don't mind giving away some real estate on the cards because they know I just need a little bit of space later and I'm going to tear you to piece if he does it.

So it's just not wired as boxing fans to understand and seeing somebody at that level employee that strategy because you got a guy like Tyson who you can't really compare it to a Wilder outside of just having big power, but Tyson would go out there to get you out of there as quick as he possibly could.

So it's just not wired as boxing fans to understand and seeing somebody at that level employee that strategy because you got a guy like Tyson who you can't really compare it to a Wilder outside of just having big power, but Tyson would go out there to get you out of there as quick as he possibly could.

Sometimes people will.

Sometimes people will.

Run into wild there's right hand and round one and that happens. But for the most part, specifically against lead opponents, like you said, very comfortable to say, have your success. Now meet me five six rounds later when it's not going to be as easy for you to move on your toes and I'm getting closer and I'm bringing the boom.

Run into wild there's right hand and round one and that happens. But for the most part, specifically against lead opponents, like you said, very comfortable to say, have your success. Now meet me five six rounds later when it's not going to be as easy for you to move on your toes and I'm getting closer and I'm bringing the boom.

And the other part is it keeps him fresh too. He doesn't spend a ton of energy either. He has to mind his piece and his cues, but it's not like he's out there really exerting a ton of energy. So he gets to stay fresh and keep his power late into the fight as well. I cannot wait to see that remach.

And the other part is it keeps him fresh too. He doesn't spend a ton of energy either. He has to mind his piece and his cues, but it's not like he's out there really exerting a ton of energy. So he gets to stay fresh and keep his power late into the fight as well. I cannot wait to see that remach.

I mean, you've got Joshua Ruiz two in two weeks.

I mean, you've got Joshua Ruiz two in two weeks.

This is it's a great time to be all. That's a great time to be alive. So that takes us to now. I hate to even bring it up, but I have to bring it up. All right, here's the deal. So Floyd Mayweather, how long ago? Brian two weeks ago says, Yeah, I'm not going to make a comeback. It's too hotly body six days ago, six days ago, let's say a week, just to be generous, says nope, you know, I'm forty two. It's just too old. I'm this is a young man's game. And then maybe a few days later, takes to Instagram and says I'm coming back out of retirement in twenty twenty. That followed, by the way, I should say, it was preceded by him sitting down courtside at some I think it was Clippers and Celtics with the UFC president Daniel White. It should be noted that ZUFA Boxing was supposed to have an announcement in October.

This is it's a great time to be all. That's a great time to be alive. So that takes us to now. I hate to even bring it up, but I have to bring it up. All right, here's the deal. So Floyd Mayweather, how long ago? Brian two weeks ago says, Yeah, I'm not going to make a comeback. It's too hotly body six days ago, six days ago, let's say a week, just to be generous, says nope, you know, I'm forty two. It's just too old. I'm this is a young man's game. And then maybe a few days later, takes to Instagram and says I'm coming back out of retirement in twenty twenty. That followed, by the way, I should say, it was preceded by him sitting down courtside at some I think it was Clippers and Celtics with the UFC president Daniel White. It should be noted that ZUFA Boxing was supposed to have an announcement in October.

I know that they have made hires.

I know that they have made hires.

Mike Coppinger of the Athletic has reported that, but there was no announcement in October. November is almost over Floyd teasing twenty twenty. And then lastly, Brian, I'll pitch this to you his first as well, TMZ reporting for whatever that is worth again for whatever that is. He say what you want about t MC, they get it right. They do get scoops. That's what TMC like they report on like woe VICKI and bad baby, but like they get the scoops okay, saying that what Floyd is looking at is either Paquiao rematch okay, or just to box the ears off some UFC fighter terribly out of his depth. What do you make of all of this, Floyd Mayweather news?

Mike Coppinger of the Athletic has reported that, but there was no announcement in October. November is almost over Floyd teasing twenty twenty. And then lastly, Brian, I'll pitch this to you his first as well, TMZ reporting for whatever that is worth again for whatever that is. He say what you want about t MC, they get it right. They do get scoops. That's what TMC like they report on like woe VICKI and bad baby, but like they get the scoops okay, saying that what Floyd is looking at is either Paquiao rematch okay, or just to box the ears off some UFC fighter terribly out of his depth. What do you make of all of this, Floyd Mayweather news?

Because of how you laid out in the beginning that it was literally like forty eight hours after he was in La opening up one of his new lines of fitness boxing gyms, tells Reuter's what you said, I'm never coming back, but focused on the danger of the sport, reference the lives lost in the ring in twenty nineteen, and then a day or two later is going full throttle with this. And then because you see UFC and Dana White and others associated with UFC regramming it on ig, I think you have to believe that it's more likely at forty two would be forty three by the time he comes back holding that fifty to zero record, that it's more related to fighting an MMA fighter, and it's one of those things. Look that look Floyd Patrol, he kind of did cannibalizing Cannibal Corpse concert week on his own promotion, considering he was a co promoter of record with Maye of the promotions on Wilder Ortiz two, a PBC venture. Yet he's floating his name out there in a big way during fight week, the same tricks he used to do right during like glove Can Canelo fight week to bring the attention back on him. That was a little bit odd. There's certain elements to this that are just odd. But I think if you do the math, what would be the best case scenario for us odd? I think really Mayweather Pakio too, even if they were forty three and forty one, like they will be next year. May Pakio is going through a renaissance at forty That win against Keith Thurman is as good as any recent win in the sport. I just don't know how forty three if Floyd would do that. Now, there's that experience against Connor and the ease of it, and the experience even against Nasukawa and Japan and the easy money. The one thing I don't want this to do because look, here's the thing. We're all gonna go, oh, we don't want this, we don't want this. And then if it was Floyd Abib and it happened, of course we'd get drawn back in because it's a spectacle. You have to see it, even though we don't want it. If it does plays any part in keeping the UFC from making Habib Tony ferguson five, then.

Because of how you laid out in the beginning that it was literally like forty eight hours after he was in La opening up one of his new lines of fitness boxing gyms, tells Reuter's what you said, I'm never coming back, but focused on the danger of the sport, reference the lives lost in the ring in twenty nineteen, and then a day or two later is going full throttle with this. And then because you see UFC and Dana White and others associated with UFC regramming it on ig, I think you have to believe that it's more likely at forty two would be forty three by the time he comes back holding that fifty to zero record, that it's more related to fighting an MMA fighter, and it's one of those things. Look that look Floyd Patrol, he kind of did cannibalizing Cannibal Corpse concert week on his own promotion, considering he was a co promoter of record with Maye of the promotions on Wilder Ortiz two, a PBC venture. Yet he's floating his name out there in a big way during fight week, the same tricks he used to do right during like glove Can Canelo fight week to bring the attention back on him. That was a little bit odd. There's certain elements to this that are just odd. But I think if you do the math, what would be the best case scenario for us odd? I think really Mayweather Pakio too, even if they were forty three and forty one, like they will be next year. May Pakio is going through a renaissance at forty That win against Keith Thurman is as good as any recent win in the sport. I just don't know how forty three if Floyd would do that. Now, there's that experience against Connor and the ease of it, and the experience even against Nasukawa and Japan and the easy money. The one thing I don't want this to do because look, here's the thing. We're all gonna go, oh, we don't want this, we don't want this. And then if it was Floyd Abib and it happened, of course we'd get drawn back in because it's a spectacle. You have to see it, even though we don't want it. If it does plays any part in keeping the UFC from making Habib Tony ferguson five, then.

Are you wait, wait, let me back up a steps, just so I understand you clearly. Are you suggesting that the UFC is considering making a boxing match between Habib, Nomer Goat made Off and Floyd maywe.

Are you wait, wait, let me back up a steps, just so I understand you clearly. Are you suggesting that the UFC is considering making a boxing match between Habib, Nomer Goat made Off and Floyd maywe.

I'm gonna say that when you see all the reach going on from everybody involved with the UFC, and you know Dana wants to get involved in the sport in any way, and right now there's just no free agent fighters that aren't aligned with ESPN or Showtime war Fox or you know, Dezonne or whatever.

I'm gonna say that when you see all the reach going on from everybody involved with the UFC, and you know Dana wants to get involved in the sport in any way, and right now there's just no free agent fighters that aren't aligned with ESPN or Showtime war Fox or you know, Dezonne or whatever.

What's the next thing you can do?

What's the next thing you can do?

Take one of his guys to match him up with Floyd and use all his promotional powers and push it. And then did you see Ali abdel Aziz, Habib's manager, float out some kind of cryptic ig posts that I didn't really understand, but kind of in setting that it was supposed to I just made a word there, kind of basically saying that that fight was supposed to happen in January in Saudi Arabia.

Take one of his guys to match him up with Floyd and use all his promotional powers and push it. And then did you see Ali abdel Aziz, Habib's manager, float out some kind of cryptic ig posts that I didn't really understand, but kind of in setting that it was supposed to I just made a word there, kind of basically saying that that fight was supposed to happen in January in Saudi Arabia.

I'm not really sure what you can pull from it, but it's it's interesting managers and MMA often repeat half truths or they're just trying to sell you on something. Here's what my sense of things are between him sitting with Dana White and the lack of a zoofa boxing announcement. My hunch is that they're trying to get a big splash going, and what better way to get a big splash going if most of the best fighters are already signed or belonging to ABC or to Bob aram at top rank, or they're at his zone. Who's available and has a huge name that's known by the way to UFC audiences, it is Floyd Many with Floyd Mayweather is easily the most popular boxer in MMA, right for better or for worse. That is his role. He is the king of the trolls, yes, but he's also the king of visibility. What I took away from the McGregor fight and I know you have reported suggested on the show that your sources tell you that he didn't hardly train for that fight.

I'm not really sure what you can pull from it, but it's it's interesting managers and MMA often repeat half truths or they're just trying to sell you on something. Here's what my sense of things are between him sitting with Dana White and the lack of a zoofa boxing announcement. My hunch is that they're trying to get a big splash going, and what better way to get a big splash going if most of the best fighters are already signed or belonging to ABC or to Bob aram at top rank, or they're at his zone. Who's available and has a huge name that's known by the way to UFC audiences, it is Floyd Many with Floyd Mayweather is easily the most popular boxer in MMA, right for better or for worse. That is his role. He is the king of the trolls, yes, but he's also the king of visibility. What I took away from the McGregor fight and I know you have reported suggested on the show that your sources tell you that he didn't hardly train for that fight.

Even with that, I talked to Pauli.

Even with that, I talked to Pauli.

Malanaji about that fight when it first ended, and Pauli is known as a clear and unequivocal Floyd Mayweather supporter, and even he agreed with me that it was time to really hang it up now the Nasakawa exhibition thing. Notwithstanding, Floyd just didn't look great in that fight. Beyond the you know, the lack of the work in the first three rounds, he just didn't have his legs under him. He didn't look physically at forty two or forty one at that's on. Whatever he was, he just didn't look to be while in good physical condition for the age, he didn't look to be elite by boxing physicality needed to compete against the top junior and then regular welterweights at that at that moment, Paki how kind of does which is miraculous, but he does. So here's what I'm gonna say. I don't know who he's gonna fight. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him fighting Pacio, assuming that Floyd is was that that fight was admerant and not an indication of where he has arrived as an aging talent. But if that McGregor fight is actually where Floyd is now, yeah, he can fight UFC fighters until he's blue in the face. He's gonna knock him all out, like they don't have a shot against him, even as a special Yeah, even as a declined property in terms of his physical abilities, which again wasn't just my interpretation. Paulie agreed, So I would say that seems most likely. Plus, what a launch for zoof of boxing. What a great way to get off the ground with a somebody you can sign recognizable to your audience. We know that that UFC fighter versus Floyd Mayweather thing works certainly for Floyd and UFC made a ton of money, and we mentioned it last time. What was the big takeaway from Meywether McGregor in terms of losses? Connor could write it off saying, hey, I nothing ventured, nothing gained, It's not even my regular sport and they all made a bunch of money. You could probably probably, although it'd be a little bit harder, you might be able to do that again. Now, I wonder if Habib goes in there and just gets absolutely annihilated. If there would be as forgiving as they were for Connor, one doesn't really know, but but there is at least precedent to assume that he could.

Malanaji about that fight when it first ended, and Pauli is known as a clear and unequivocal Floyd Mayweather supporter, and even he agreed with me that it was time to really hang it up now the Nasakawa exhibition thing. Notwithstanding, Floyd just didn't look great in that fight. Beyond the you know, the lack of the work in the first three rounds, he just didn't have his legs under him. He didn't look physically at forty two or forty one at that's on. Whatever he was, he just didn't look to be while in good physical condition for the age, he didn't look to be elite by boxing physicality needed to compete against the top junior and then regular welterweights at that at that moment, Paki how kind of does which is miraculous, but he does. So here's what I'm gonna say. I don't know who he's gonna fight. I wouldn't rule out the possibility of him fighting Pacio, assuming that Floyd is was that that fight was admerant and not an indication of where he has arrived as an aging talent. But if that McGregor fight is actually where Floyd is now, yeah, he can fight UFC fighters until he's blue in the face. He's gonna knock him all out, like they don't have a shot against him, even as a special Yeah, even as a declined property in terms of his physical abilities, which again wasn't just my interpretation. Paulie agreed, So I would say that seems most likely. Plus, what a launch for zoof of boxing. What a great way to get off the ground with a somebody you can sign recognizable to your audience. We know that that UFC fighter versus Floyd Mayweather thing works certainly for Floyd and UFC made a ton of money, and we mentioned it last time. What was the big takeaway from Meywether McGregor in terms of losses? Connor could write it off saying, hey, I nothing ventured, nothing gained, It's not even my regular sport and they all made a bunch of money. You could probably probably, although it'd be a little bit harder, you might be able to do that again. Now, I wonder if Habib goes in there and just gets absolutely annihilated. If there would be as forgiving as they were for Connor, one doesn't really know, but but there is at least precedent to assume that he could.

And it goes back to my point when someone's doing drugs. In our life, we always have that common of age, you know, do you just don't as long as you're not hurting anybody else. If this idea goes forward and Floyd Habib has some life to it, you are hurting things. You're hurting UFC fans from the idea of you're hurting Tony Ferguson.

And it goes back to my point when someone's doing drugs. In our life, we always have that common of age, you know, do you just don't as long as you're not hurting anybody else. If this idea goes forward and Floyd Habib has some life to it, you are hurting things. You're hurting UFC fans from the idea of you're hurting Tony Ferguson.

That's a fight. I mean, this is the historic didn't didn't Habib say in Uzbekistan for this event that he was out there for. I think it's called gorilla fighting. If I'm not mistaken that they were going to do an April show in Brooklyn. If that's the case, then that I would amend my take right there.

That's a fight. I mean, this is the historic didn't didn't Habib say in Uzbekistan for this event that he was out there for. I think it's called gorilla fighting. If I'm not mistaken that they were going to do an April show in Brooklyn. If that's the case, then that I would amend my take right there.

If we can get Tony Bebe five in April and Brooklyn and then they can schedule some type of showcase afterwards, that's fine. I just don't think we're getting Maypack two. Even though I think if Floyd was gonna come back against an active fighter. It would be the best fight. But Floyd is almost too smart to take that fight right now, Floyd, because it takes big risks, And good god, I can't believe Mannepakio went out there and did that to Keith Thurman. And if you're Floyd and you've been inactive, it just doesn't seem like a smart idea. At the same time, Luke, even if you're like the biggest Floyd hater and critic, could you get excited about him continuing this lopsided boxer versus MMA thing. I mean, I feel like it's tyresome already. I feel like the Nasa Kala fight against a twenty year old guy four weight division smaller than you was kind of shameless. And I'm not saying X boxers haven't done this in the past. I'll leaves went on world tours and done pseudo wrestling in MMA matches, But shouldn't he be better than that?

If we can get Tony Bebe five in April and Brooklyn and then they can schedule some type of showcase afterwards, that's fine. I just don't think we're getting Maypack two. Even though I think if Floyd was gonna come back against an active fighter. It would be the best fight. But Floyd is almost too smart to take that fight right now, Floyd, because it takes big risks, And good god, I can't believe Mannepakio went out there and did that to Keith Thurman. And if you're Floyd and you've been inactive, it just doesn't seem like a smart idea. At the same time, Luke, even if you're like the biggest Floyd hater and critic, could you get excited about him continuing this lopsided boxer versus MMA thing. I mean, I feel like it's tyresome already. I feel like the Nasa Kala fight against a twenty year old guy four weight division smaller than you was kind of shameless. And I'm not saying X boxers haven't done this in the past. I'll leaves went on world tours and done pseudo wrestling in MMA matches, But shouldn't he be better than that?

Right? Well, here's the deal. What would sell more being dead serious? And I'm gonna make it up because it me Hebi, but could be somebody else. But let's say it's Habi Habi versus Floyd. May whether in a boxing match promoted by all the relevant entities or may Pack two. Right, here's one thing you can say, Mayweather McGregor was exciting. Mayweather versus Pakia, while a legitimate boxing contest, not overly exciting.

Right? Well, here's the deal. What would sell more being dead serious? And I'm gonna make it up because it me Hebi, but could be somebody else. But let's say it's Habi Habi versus Floyd. May whether in a boxing match promoted by all the relevant entities or may Pack two. Right, here's one thing you can say, Mayweather McGregor was exciting. Mayweather versus Pakia, while a legitimate boxing contest, not overly exciting.

Right, you can look back on that.

Right, you can look back on that.

Oh, do we really want to see Maypac two or do we want to see something crazy again? I would humbly submit to you. Either would likely be big. Maybe may Pack two is even bigger. But the fact that they're even relevant and close to one another and one is a significantly less difficult of a challenge. It makes Mayweather's calculations a little bit easier to follow.

Oh, do we really want to see Maypac two or do we want to see something crazy again? I would humbly submit to you. Either would likely be big. Maybe may Pack two is even bigger. But the fact that they're even relevant and close to one another and one is a significantly less difficult of a challenge. It makes Mayweather's calculations a little bit easier to follow.

The wild card in this though, maybe Saudi Arabia, which is throwing as a country so much money at WWE at Joshua Ruis two reports that aj might be making seventy five million as a guaranteed flat rate. If you're Floyd and you have those conversations with them and you can get a couple hundred million, yeah, you'll probably find anybody.

The wild card in this though, maybe Saudi Arabia, which is throwing as a country so much money at WWE at Joshua Ruis two reports that aj might be making seventy five million as a guaranteed flat rate. If you're Floyd and you have those conversations with them and you can get a couple hundred million, yeah, you'll probably find anybody.

Oh and lastly, I think there was an entertainment tonight headlined I'm making I'm not making this up logan Paul, who just is you know?

Oh and lastly, I think there was an entertainment tonight headlined I'm making I'm not making this up logan Paul, who just is you know?

I mean what a what a skin tag this creature is.

I mean what a what a skin tag this creature is.

He said he wanted to box Floyd Mayweather, and they put up a pole on their site about it. Should Logan pol box Floyd Mayweather.

He said he wanted to box Floyd Mayweather, and they put up a pole on their site about it. Should Logan pol box Floyd Mayweather.

I hope he does, all.

I hope he does, all.

Right, if I could get off of regular fox butt fight journalist, boxing guy at my core and then get into gas station food eating Brian Campbell and go within this carnival circus realm of Floyd fighting twenty year old featherweight kickboxers. There's one thing to fight a guy smaller than you who has no chance, and Logan Paul has no chance under any circumstances. But the fact that he's a cruiserweight and Floyd at Walter Waite, if they ever made that kind of carnival match, there's an entertaining side to that. Please go die in a fire, okay, And I don't want it. I don't want that for Floyd's legacy. I'm just saying that there's a little bit of interest in there. A little guy against a big guy.

Right, if I could get off of regular fox butt fight journalist, boxing guy at my core and then get into gas station food eating Brian Campbell and go within this carnival circus realm of Floyd fighting twenty year old featherweight kickboxers. There's one thing to fight a guy smaller than you who has no chance, and Logan Paul has no chance under any circumstances. But the fact that he's a cruiserweight and Floyd at Walter Waite, if they ever made that kind of carnival match, there's an entertaining side to that. Please go die in a fire, okay, And I don't want it. I don't want that for Floyd's legacy. I'm just saying that there's a little bit of interest in there. A little guy against a big guy.

Please die in a fire.

Please die in a fire.

Okay, Let's move on. It is official. John Jones is gonna have a title fight. It'll be at light heavyweight. It'll be in February. In Houston, Texas. It'll be at the Toyota Center. I believe February eighth is the day, if memory serves twenty twenty, he will take on Dominic Reyis. Now, Brian, we got to this last week or the week before, certainly talking about it. Now that it's official, it's exciting. I'm glad he's doing it. All the reasons we talked about. He's the right candidate. It could be exciting by the way I get. I don't want to jinx it because I don't think this is quite right. I don't get the vibe that I'm like, oh, I'm feeling an upset because that's not quite true. But I am getting the vibe for sure that Dominic Reyis is going to is being wildly underrated in this one. And it's one of situations where like, what could you really point to before the Anderson Silva Chris Widman fight that gave you a clear indication that Chris Wyman was going to win nothing or at least very little. Similar kind of situation, different circumstance. John's only thirty one, although he's been in the game a lot longer. But the point being is I get a sense that not that I'm like, oh, here it comes the upset, but rather that when it's over one way or the other, Dominic Reyes will have shown us his true actual ability. I think he will get taken down, but he has shown after getting taken down he gets back up rather easily. I understand it. But he has what I would call adaptive takedown defense where he gives it up at first, but then gets up and then realizes the tricks you're pulling, and then he stops it right.

Okay, Let's move on. It is official. John Jones is gonna have a title fight. It'll be at light heavyweight. It'll be in February. In Houston, Texas. It'll be at the Toyota Center. I believe February eighth is the day, if memory serves twenty twenty, he will take on Dominic Reyis. Now, Brian, we got to this last week or the week before, certainly talking about it. Now that it's official, it's exciting. I'm glad he's doing it. All the reasons we talked about. He's the right candidate. It could be exciting by the way I get. I don't want to jinx it because I don't think this is quite right. I don't get the vibe that I'm like, oh, I'm feeling an upset because that's not quite true. But I am getting the vibe for sure that Dominic Reyis is going to is being wildly underrated in this one. And it's one of situations where like, what could you really point to before the Anderson Silva Chris Widman fight that gave you a clear indication that Chris Wyman was going to win nothing or at least very little. Similar kind of situation, different circumstance. John's only thirty one, although he's been in the game a lot longer. But the point being is I get a sense that not that I'm like, oh, here it comes the upset, but rather that when it's over one way or the other, Dominic Reyes will have shown us his true actual ability. I think he will get taken down, but he has shown after getting taken down he gets back up rather easily. I understand it. But he has what I would call adaptive takedown defense where he gives it up at first, but then gets up and then realizes the tricks you're pulling, and then he stops it right.

He has.

He has.

He has a bunch of fights where he gave up one takedown and then his opponents go one for seven, one for nine, one for five.

He has a bunch of fights where he gave up one takedown and then his opponents go one for seven, one for nine, one for five.

He's really quite good with that.

He's really quite good with that.

Drug dealer gives you the first one for free, but the well, I don't know what drug dealers you've been working with it him give me shit for free. But how about this part over the weekend? It just didn't stop, did it. Brian Campbell, John Jones, Israel out of Soignya, still going after it. And why do I bring that up? Because one John Jones said outright, Israel out of Soignya. You were offered this fight and you did not take it too. As I just alluded to. I believe that Don Reis is much better than folks seem to realize. And what happens if Dominic Reys wins in February, however unlikely, we might assume that to be that israel Ata soigna fight, it goes up in smoke. And you have the famous Lorenzo for Tita tweet talking about I think pack after you got knocked out by Marquez all boxing, you should have struck while the iron was hot. You should have made Maypack two hashtag GSP versus Anderson And they didn't make it either, And they made Maypack and made a bunch of money.

Drug dealer gives you the first one for free, but the well, I don't know what drug dealers you've been working with it him give me shit for free. But how about this part over the weekend? It just didn't stop, did it. Brian Campbell, John Jones, Israel out of Soignya, still going after it. And why do I bring that up? Because one John Jones said outright, Israel out of Soignya. You were offered this fight and you did not take it too. As I just alluded to. I believe that Don Reis is much better than folks seem to realize. And what happens if Dominic Reys wins in February, however unlikely, we might assume that to be that israel Ata soigna fight, it goes up in smoke. And you have the famous Lorenzo for Tita tweet talking about I think pack after you got knocked out by Marquez all boxing, you should have struck while the iron was hot. You should have made Maypack two hashtag GSP versus Anderson And they didn't make it either, And they made Maypack and made a bunch of money.

Wasn't that good? My point being is here.

Wasn't that good? My point being is here.

Jed Mischu over at MMA Fighting has vacificously argued the time to make auta Sonya versus Jones is now and out of Sonya. We know his reasons, but he didn't. He didn't want to make it.

Jed Mischu over at MMA Fighting has vacificously argued the time to make auta Sonya versus Jones is now and out of Sonya. We know his reasons, but he didn't. He didn't want to make it.

And here we are. Here's what I'm going to say about this.

And here we are. Here's what I'm going to say about this.

Yeah, take the Florida, thank you.

Yeah, take the Florida, thank you.

I will he.

I will he.

I do think that you have to wait on that fight, However, I don't think you can wait till twenty twenty one.

I do think that you have to wait on that fight, However, I don't think you can wait till twenty twenty one.

That's all, dude.

That's all, dude.

Twenty twenty one at the earliest is thirteen months away. ATASIGNJA got to a title in fourteen months. That is an absolute eternity unless I mean, just do the math. Let's say that John Jones wins and he beats Dominic Reyes without significant injury. Who's he gonna fight next, Cordy Anderson. Cordy Anderson's gonna fight Anthony Smith. It looks like he's already beaten Anthony Smith.

Twenty twenty one at the earliest is thirteen months away. ATASIGNJA got to a title in fourteen months. That is an absolute eternity unless I mean, just do the math. Let's say that John Jones wins and he beats Dominic Reyes without significant injury. Who's he gonna fight next, Cordy Anderson. Cordy Anderson's gonna fight Anthony Smith. It looks like he's already beaten Anthony Smith.

Johnny Blokowitz'll probably get up here.

Johnny Blokowitz'll probably get up here.

Yeah, great, that's the fight we really care about seeing. And by the way, you could get injured in camp. You can get injured in the fight even if nothing happens. Blah blah blah. My point being is, I don't think he cares about those fights. I don't think you care about those fights. Worse, something catastrophic could happen. Or age might actually be creeping up on John because in his last two fights he has looked talented but a little bit reserved and maybe not quite the physical dynamo that he once was. Now that could just be the two aberrant performances, or it could be a reflection on the fact that he got into the game at twenty or twenty one years old even before that. So my sense is twenty twenty one is too long. But if he beats Dominic Reyes, the time to make this fight between Attasanya and Jones is gonna be summer twenty and twenty.

Yeah, great, that's the fight we really care about seeing. And by the way, you could get injured in camp. You can get injured in the fight even if nothing happens. Blah blah blah. My point being is, I don't think he cares about those fights. I don't think you care about those fights. Worse, something catastrophic could happen. Or age might actually be creeping up on John because in his last two fights he has looked talented but a little bit reserved and maybe not quite the physical dynamo that he once was. Now that could just be the two aberrant performances, or it could be a reflection on the fact that he got into the game at twenty or twenty one years old even before that. So my sense is twenty twenty one is too long. But if he beats Dominic Reyes, the time to make this fight between Attasanya and Jones is gonna be summer twenty and twenty.

True or false?

True or false?

I still say false. All Right, here's the deal.

I still say false. All Right, here's the deal.

Anyone who has fear of well, what if Don Reyes wins? Look, here's the deal on that. There's a thing called GSP Sarah. There's blips on the radar that happens to great all time champions. And sometimes you lose a fight. John Jones could have easily lost to Thiago Santos in that last one, the split decision in which John sort of left that back door open for whatever reason you may say, against a guy with two non working legs who he probably could have taken down and just finished that fight off.

Anyone who has fear of well, what if Don Reyes wins? Look, here's the deal on that. There's a thing called GSP Sarah. There's blips on the radar that happens to great all time champions. And sometimes you lose a fight. John Jones could have easily lost to Thiago Santos in that last one, the split decision in which John sort of left that back door open for whatever reason you may say, against a guy with two non working legs who he probably could have taken down and just finished that fight off.

Whatever.

Whatever.

Had he done that, he runs it back, he probably wins the rematch. Should he lose to dom Race, he runs it back, he probably wins the rematch. I think that you're really risking sacrificing what Israel Atisanya is as a star and a brand by rushing him into this so quickly in a somewhat no win situation. Now that's not true, because the chance to beat John Jones is the big victory and become really the biggest star of the sport right now.

Had he done that, he runs it back, he probably wins the rematch. Should he lose to dom Race, he runs it back, he probably wins the rematch. I think that you're really risking sacrificing what Israel Atisanya is as a star and a brand by rushing him into this so quickly in a somewhat no win situation. Now that's not true, because the chance to beat John Jones is the big victory and become really the biggest star of the sport right now.

But is he gonna do that?

But is he gonna do that?

Is he gonna do that before his body matures?

Is he gonna do that before his body matures?

If he goes in there and blows the doors off Domras, it gives us all a pause. But what if he goes in there and for a third time looks not bed deafdream because don't think that's the way he's looked, but beatable, looks too efficient, looks a little looks low to reserved. Dude, that is a fight. If that is what we end up seeing, that is a fight. That otta sign you can win. You brought the fact that yes there was a GSP serah, but GSP had already lost before that. He had lost to Matt Hughes in his first title fight. He got submitted. We had sort of seen that bubble burst. Okay, John has the loss to Matt Hughes, or sorry, Matt's says, uh uh, he's in the death fight Matt Hamil, Matt Hamill. Please, he's got the loss to Matt Hamill. But not really, No one has really truly beaten the guy. If Don Reyes does that, dude, that is a historic moment in the sport. I'm not saying you couldn't do it Attasigna Jones fight. If they have a rematch and he recaptures it, what I'm saying is you have significantly reduced what it could have been.