It is Monday, September thirtieth, twenty nineteen, and it is time for Morning Combat. Donks. Welcome. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program next to my lovely co host Brian Campbell. Fresh off the bird from Los Angeles, he was at Spence Porter. We got to talk about that. We have talk about a lot today UFC Copenhagen, UFC what two forty three.

It is Monday, September thirtieth, twenty nineteen, and it is time for Morning Combat. Donks. Welcome. My name is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program next to my lovely co host Brian Campbell. Fresh off the bird from Los Angeles, he was at Spence Porter. We got to talk about that. We have talk about a lot today UFC Copenhagen, UFC what two forty three.

Biggest week in pro wrestling history. None of that's on the rundown. I just want to let you thank God.

Biggest week in pro wrestling history. None of that's on the rundown. I just want to let you thank God.

All right, we have a lot to get to Before we get to any of that. Of course, please as always, give the video thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, donks, and share this around to anyone who you think might need to see it. Your mom, your dog, your friend, your neighbor, whoever, please share it around.

All right, we have a lot to get to Before we get to any of that. Of course, please as always, give the video thumbs up, subscribe to the channel, donks, and share this around to anyone who you think might need to see it. Your mom, your dog, your friend, your neighbor, whoever, please share it around.

We also, you've been eating long enough, now stop being greedy.

We also, you've been eating long enough, now stop being greedy.

How yes, DMX very good? Hey, how was your time in La Dude?

How yes, DMX very good? Hey, how was your time in La Dude?

The best city in the world for of all, because it's got the best food and the best people in the best weather. But I got to give a shout out to the city of angels I've covered many boxing fights like the Barclay Center will be typing. You'd be watching its New York, I know. But hear me out okay, and you go somebody need to do their shirt laundry and you're like, okay, somebody's getting hid in the crowd. That's cool. It happens right in LA. They don't lef around, they don't hide it. I had it right before the main event. I ran up the stairs to use the men's room. There are three separate groups of guys inside and outside of the bathroom, helping each other roll like the blunt tighter and like passing it around. This is like hot boxing. The community is like.

The best city in the world for of all, because it's got the best food and the best people in the best weather. But I got to give a shout out to the city of angels I've covered many boxing fights like the Barclay Center will be typing. You'd be watching its New York, I know. But hear me out okay, and you go somebody need to do their shirt laundry and you're like, okay, somebody's getting hid in the crowd. That's cool. It happens right in LA. They don't lef around, they don't hide it. I had it right before the main event. I ran up the stairs to use the men's room. There are three separate groups of guys inside and outside of the bathroom, helping each other roll like the blunt tighter and like passing it around. This is like hot boxing. The community is like.

The can't you can't smoke weed in the Staples Center? Can oh?

The can't you can't smoke weed in the Staples Center? Can oh?

This was not like let's hide in the bathroom the forum bringing it out of the bathroom and passing it around to like fellow people.

This was not like let's hide in the bathroom the forum bringing it out of the bathroom and passing it around to like fellow people.

There's little kids around the smoke weed with other donks in a bathroom. You just deserve to get a club that is.

There's little kids around the smoke weed with other donks in a bathroom. You just deserve to get a club that is.

That's that's how you build the community right there, So shout out to LA.

That's that's how you build the community right there, So shout out to LA.

That's how you get the wood shampoo from the popo. That's what you get, all right. We had a lot of stuff to get to as well.

That's how you get the wood shampoo from the popo. That's what you get, all right. We had a lot of stuff to get to as well.

They wanted to talk to Sampson.

They wanted to talk to Sampson.

You know, I understand, all right, let's get to it. UFC Copenhagen was on Saturday in well Copenhagen, Denmark. The main event was a UFC middleweight contest, not so much a title eliminator, but an important one just the same, with Jared kennon Ear defeating Jack Hermanson via second round TKO. Frankly, it wasn't even close, which is interesting to note about that Brian Camble, because he went into that one. Jared Kennonner did as not an enormous underdog, but a fairly considerable one. I think like a plus two fifty in a lot of places, and it wasn't very hard for him. So the question that I want to start today's show with is what is this What's the biggest takeaway from his win and what does it do to the division? For me? I'll say the following. The big takeaway is it is Yes, you can say, wow, what a revelation this guy is at middleweight at thirty five. He figured it all out. Great, good for him, and he might go on to fight Joel Romero. God only knows what's next. Roim he's going to jump a lot of slots from this, but to me, the biggest one is so really interesting. It's like, dude, let me get this straight. You're this good and you're thirty five years old, and it took you that long to figure out what the right weight was. And again you could say, well, Frankiegger never fought the right weight until later on. Well yeah, but he won a UFC title. In other words, he reached an objective level of success in that weight class, even if it was suboptimal, so much so that it didn't really matter. He just fought for another one of weight class down. He may have lost for you know, age or mileage or whatever. My only point being is I don't think Jared Kennany is dumb, and certainly I don't think he doesn't understand himself. It just tells you the ingredients of success can be right in front of your nose and you never really know it. Getting with a good team. Look, does everyone need to train at the MMA lab or American Top Team or a KAA. Not necessarily, but some of them do. Some of them should. And when I first interviewed him, due he was an air traffic controller in Alaska. He moved down to Arizona because he was fighting at heavyweight and then light heavyweight. And not only has he gotten better, the takedown defense was phenomenal, but he just seems to understand who he is as a fighter. That's a big part. And as long as he does, dude, he is going to be cooking with gas. All the power is there, a middlewaight, all the speed is there. My biggest takeaway is, Yes, he's a force to be reckoned with, and at thirty five, I think he still has improvement to gain.

You know, I understand, all right, let's get to it. UFC Copenhagen was on Saturday in well Copenhagen, Denmark. The main event was a UFC middleweight contest, not so much a title eliminator, but an important one just the same, with Jared kennon Ear defeating Jack Hermanson via second round TKO. Frankly, it wasn't even close, which is interesting to note about that Brian Camble, because he went into that one. Jared Kennonner did as not an enormous underdog, but a fairly considerable one. I think like a plus two fifty in a lot of places, and it wasn't very hard for him. So the question that I want to start today's show with is what is this What's the biggest takeaway from his win and what does it do to the division? For me? I'll say the following. The big takeaway is it is Yes, you can say, wow, what a revelation this guy is at middleweight at thirty five. He figured it all out. Great, good for him, and he might go on to fight Joel Romero. God only knows what's next. Roim he's going to jump a lot of slots from this, but to me, the biggest one is so really interesting. It's like, dude, let me get this straight. You're this good and you're thirty five years old, and it took you that long to figure out what the right weight was. And again you could say, well, Frankiegger never fought the right weight until later on. Well yeah, but he won a UFC title. In other words, he reached an objective level of success in that weight class, even if it was suboptimal, so much so that it didn't really matter. He just fought for another one of weight class down. He may have lost for you know, age or mileage or whatever. My only point being is I don't think Jared Kennany is dumb, and certainly I don't think he doesn't understand himself. It just tells you the ingredients of success can be right in front of your nose and you never really know it. Getting with a good team. Look, does everyone need to train at the MMA lab or American Top Team or a KAA. Not necessarily, but some of them do. Some of them should. And when I first interviewed him, due he was an air traffic controller in Alaska. He moved down to Arizona because he was fighting at heavyweight and then light heavyweight. And not only has he gotten better, the takedown defense was phenomenal, but he just seems to understand who he is as a fighter. That's a big part. And as long as he does, dude, he is going to be cooking with gas. All the power is there, a middlewaight, all the speed is there. My biggest takeaway is, Yes, he's a force to be reckoned with, and at thirty five, I think he still has improvement to gain.

Yeah, these are the best stories in sports, if you ask me, when people sort of figure it out late in life. Kind of my own personal story, right, I was you figured it out? I was quite a donk for a long time, and look at you know now I'm here now in this fantastic bomb shelter. My point is, look, when guys go on these sort of runs in their thirties in any sport. I mean we saw it in boxing with a name that we don't like to talk about these days much. Carlos Baldemere, remember him, feather duster Maker suddenly's the wealthweight champion of Fighting Floyd on pay per view before he molested his own daughter. But he's locked up. You don't worry about that. And the point is that it takes a while. Jared Cannon are working for an airline as a three hundred pound man finding other people's contraband turns out he's the one hide in the heavyweight bomb inside of his right hand, and that's his asset right now, being a former heavyweight, having the power. But that only gets you so far to be the guy like Hermitson, who was so red hot, who seemed to be like one more win outside of a title shot. And then suddenly we got to restructure what's going on in middleweight. We're gonna take this guy seriously. This was a great story to do it on foreign soil, which was almost Hermanson's backyard, and do it in such a dominant fashion. Eure, upset, what's going on here?

Yeah, these are the best stories in sports, if you ask me, when people sort of figure it out late in life. Kind of my own personal story, right, I was you figured it out? I was quite a donk for a long time, and look at you know now I'm here now in this fantastic bomb shelter. My point is, look, when guys go on these sort of runs in their thirties in any sport. I mean we saw it in boxing with a name that we don't like to talk about these days much. Carlos Baldemere, remember him, feather duster Maker suddenly's the wealthweight champion of Fighting Floyd on pay per view before he molested his own daughter. But he's locked up. You don't worry about that. And the point is that it takes a while. Jared Cannon are working for an airline as a three hundred pound man finding other people's contraband turns out he's the one hide in the heavyweight bomb inside of his right hand, and that's his asset right now, being a former heavyweight, having the power. But that only gets you so far to be the guy like Hermitson, who was so red hot, who seemed to be like one more win outside of a title shot. And then suddenly we got to restructure what's going on in middleweight. We're gonna take this guy seriously. This was a great story to do it on foreign soil, which was almost Hermanson's backyard, and do it in such a dominant fashion. Eure, upset, what's going on here?

He's not he's not Danish, right, but this is Swedish Norwegian. He's not Danish. Okay, heym was in Toronto, right in his backyard. Well the fucker, I'm not Canadian.

He's not he's not Danish, right, but this is Swedish Norwegian. He's not Danish. Okay, heym was in Toronto, right in his backyard. Well the fucker, I'm not Canadian.

It's a virtual, virtual backyard.

It's a virtual, virtual backyard.

You know, you're just lumping all the whites together. That what you're doing all.

You know, you're just lumping all the whites together. That what you're doing all.

The whites in Europe lived so close together a little bit. You know, you can get on a train, you can see multiple stops in one day.

The whites in Europe lived so close together a little bit. You know, you can get on a train, you can see multiple stops in one day.

Mark Madson was the hometown guy, which was talking about just a second. But I look to your point about Herminson. I'll be honest, I didn't understand his game plan. Now I understood it in the in the bigger perspective, which was get this guy down. You saw against Glover to share a when Kennon here was a light heavyweight, that was a real problem for him. And he has, or at least Herminson believes he has, you know, the best ground and pound in MMA. That's what he advertises. Did it not seem to you like his approach was the right one in terms of like on paper, if he wrote it down, it would look nice. Did it not seem frantic to you? No? He was like, if I don't get him down, now, the whole world's going to you know.

Mark Madson was the hometown guy, which was talking about just a second. But I look to your point about Herminson. I'll be honest, I didn't understand his game plan. Now I understood it in the in the bigger perspective, which was get this guy down. You saw against Glover to share a when Kennon here was a light heavyweight, that was a real problem for him. And he has, or at least Herminson believes he has, you know, the best ground and pound in MMA. That's what he advertises. Did it not seem to you like his approach was the right one in terms of like on paper, if he wrote it down, it would look nice. Did it not seem frantic to you? No? He was like, if I don't get him down, now, the whole world's going to you know.

What it seemed like from a macro view was that this was Jack Urminston's close up. This was our chance to find out, like we said, is he a real title contender? Could he do this in his virtual hometown there? But really a main eventor in Europe, trying to become sort of a brand of his own within UFC. He proved in that moment he wasn't ready for prime time, didn't have the right sort of style, didn't seem to fight with the right mental makeup and urgency there, and it just opened the door for this great story in Cannoneer. And just to double back on that luke you love when you don't know a guy's ceiling, Well, this is a topic that's going to come into play later when we break down at asnya Whitaker. When you don't know how great a guy can be, it's you just get excited and find out the fact that Cannoneer's figuring this out as we are makes a great theater to watch.

What it seemed like from a macro view was that this was Jack Urminston's close up. This was our chance to find out, like we said, is he a real title contender? Could he do this in his virtual hometown there? But really a main eventor in Europe, trying to become sort of a brand of his own within UFC. He proved in that moment he wasn't ready for prime time, didn't have the right sort of style, didn't seem to fight with the right mental makeup and urgency there, and it just opened the door for this great story in Cannoneer. And just to double back on that luke you love when you don't know a guy's ceiling, Well, this is a topic that's going to come into play later when we break down at asnya Whitaker. When you don't know how great a guy can be, it's you just get excited and find out the fact that Cannoneer's figuring this out as we are makes a great theater to watch.

And he's sort of proving I won't say the hater's wrong per se, but when he went and beat David Branches, like, wow, that was pretty surprising and cool. But what else is there to do? Then he thought Anderson Sillivan had that weird leg kick thing and had this antagonism with the audience, and he thought, okay, well that doesn't really tell us a whole lot either, Although that's still kind of cool, But you can't say anything about this one. This was Jack Hermanson in his prime. Again not so much in his hometown. But it wasn't like he had to travel very far for this one. Right. He is as good as he is ever going to be, and he couldn't really do much to him. He did not want to exchange with cannoneer on the ground on the feet, excuse me, and on the ground. He could not control him for any amount of time that really mattered, and he just seemed to collapse once all of that. He just imploded once he realized that couldn't get done, and then of course he ate the upper come. Only point being is however much you want to discount the Branch win, however much you want to discount the silver win, buddy, you cannot discount the Hermanson win.

And he's sort of proving I won't say the hater's wrong per se, but when he went and beat David Branches, like, wow, that was pretty surprising and cool. But what else is there to do? Then he thought Anderson Sillivan had that weird leg kick thing and had this antagonism with the audience, and he thought, okay, well that doesn't really tell us a whole lot either, Although that's still kind of cool, But you can't say anything about this one. This was Jack Hermanson in his prime. Again not so much in his hometown. But it wasn't like he had to travel very far for this one. Right. He is as good as he is ever going to be, and he couldn't really do much to him. He did not want to exchange with cannoneer on the ground on the feet, excuse me, and on the ground. He could not control him for any amount of time that really mattered, and he just seemed to collapse once all of that. He just imploded once he realized that couldn't get done, and then of course he ate the upper come. Only point being is however much you want to discount the Branch win, however much you want to discount the silver win, buddy, you cannot discount the Hermanson win.

It is actually discount what he didweight in light heavyey, which is not much because he's figured out the best optimum weight. And now it's like we're gonna have to have a new conversation. Is he well rounded enough for the very very elites?

It is actually discount what he didweight in light heavyey, which is not much because he's figured out the best optimum weight. And now it's like we're gonna have to have a new conversation. Is he well rounded enough for the very very elites?

Yes? Or no? Do you want him to fight you, ol Romero next? I just think that fight makes itself that's going to be a great fight.

Yes? Or no? Do you want him to fight you, ol Romero next? I just think that fight makes itself that's going to be a great fight.

Yes, because they're good. I only say e because that's a tall fass fight for him right now. But look, when you climb the ladder, you bring it on, you bring it up on yourself.

Yes, because they're good. I only say e because that's a tall fass fight for him right now. But look, when you climb the ladder, you bring it on, you bring it up on yourself.

It's so funny. It's like we talk about this fight US two four to three, which will get to later. All these fresh faces right twenty eight year old, Robert Whitaker, thirty, Brandy brand New thirty year old, is a lot of soignia, and yet it's some of these old dogs right over. Mariag just an incredible athletic ability, and then Cannon here finally getting all the pieces of the puzzle together. It's a fresh face. It's an old guy, but it's a fresh face. It's an interesting division right now. It'sort of a tail of two ages. There anyone else from that card stand out to you?

It's so funny. It's like we talk about this fight US two four to three, which will get to later. All these fresh faces right twenty eight year old, Robert Whitaker, thirty, Brandy brand New thirty year old, is a lot of soignia, and yet it's some of these old dogs right over. Mariag just an incredible athletic ability, and then Cannon here finally getting all the pieces of the puzzle together. It's a fresh face. It's an old guy, but it's a fresh face. It's an interesting division right now. It'sort of a tail of two ages. There anyone else from that card stand out to you?

Obviously? This was mark O Maadson's night. And look, I'm not much as much of a donk as you are on the things like amateur wrestling and grappling. I'm sure you were rocking out to a d C C while I was listening to some ac DC over the weekend.

Obviously? This was mark O Maadson's night. And look, I'm not much as much of a donk as you are on the things like amateur wrestling and grappling. I'm sure you were rocking out to a d C C while I was listening to some ac DC over the weekend.

That's why you're a loser.

That's why you're a loser.

Wow really no, not really?

Wow really no, not really?

Okay, you're next, but go ahead.

Okay, you're next, but go ahead.

By the way, you more of a Johnson.

By the way, you more of a Johnson.

Or bon Scott guy when it comes to bay Scott.

Or bon Scott guy when it comes to bay Scott.

Come on, player, I can get down with both. Whereas you know he's no Hagar. Anyway, here's the point on that. Where are we going here? Marco Madson stepped up and showed you that he just might be ready for like real prime time. Of course, your fear for that guy is that he's going to be a little bit too wrestling heavy. Does he have as much of a well rounded game, And certainly this was obviously not a killer of an opponent and didn't give you a long fight to really map out exactly where he is. But as far as stepping up to that moment in front of the home fans and being everything he needed to be, I think he exceeded expectations. He's got a killer you know, killer Hammer game there. It was like playing that Arcade game there. I want to see what he can be. He's then the toughest division in the sport. But when you have that sort of one dimension that's so damn strong, what can he add to that in a short amount of time? What do you know about this guy that I don't? Being a non donk.

Come on, player, I can get down with both. Whereas you know he's no Hagar. Anyway, here's the point on that. Where are we going here? Marco Madson stepped up and showed you that he just might be ready for like real prime time. Of course, your fear for that guy is that he's going to be a little bit too wrestling heavy. Does he have as much of a well rounded game, And certainly this was obviously not a killer of an opponent and didn't give you a long fight to really map out exactly where he is. But as far as stepping up to that moment in front of the home fans and being everything he needed to be, I think he exceeded expectations. He's got a killer you know, killer Hammer game there. It was like playing that Arcade game there. I want to see what he can be. He's then the toughest division in the sport. But when you have that sort of one dimension that's so damn strong, what can he add to that in a short amount of time? What do you know about this guy that I don't? Being a non donk.

Well, I talked to this guy who's reaff of Bloody Elbow named Mike Reardan. He wrestled at the VMI I believe, no, at the Citadel, excuse me. He wrestled which is division one, and he to me he's always been the best writer for amateur wrestling inside MMA, Like, who's the guy who knew both worlds? And he tells me that the guy if you look at his resume, Madson's resume, it's like the Olympics, he has silver medal and then there's like six European or World championships in a row where he just got silver in all of them. Apparently there was another guy named Vlasov who is like an all time great. So in other words, it's like at light heavyweight, how Cormier was amazing, but for John Jones it's kind of like that. But how good is Daniel Cormier light heavyweight? Pretty goddamn good. You mentioned that he's got the wrestling game on Locke, which he does. He's got that Greco Roman style, the Matt Lynn and the Dan Hendersons and the Randey contorts were bringing sexy back from Greco Roman, but the well, you know, no, it wasn't. But the point being is is, look, he's not just good at that an Olympic level. At that dude, you notice the physicality of him, like he is another level of athletics that even at lightweight you don't necessarily see a whole lot of that. So he looks to be a natural. He can beat bang on his feet, he's got good finishing instincts. He seems strong even at thirty five years old. Another thirty five year old man. Mma is really weird where you get these guys from Olympic wrestling and maybe they were like, okay, Henerson, who who got the gold medal? And that's great, And there's issues about how you ol Ramembro got the silver medal. It's not clear if that's on the up and up. But the point being is this, I like the silver medalists. I like those guys. They got a chip on their goddamn shoulders and they're better athletes than virtually, Like, what's the difference between the athletic ability of a silver medalist and a gold medalist? Typically almost nil? Yeah, very very slight. So you take that guy and then you give him a chip on his shoulder and he has to go compete against Knoks who sho up to gym's to lose weight. Boy, he's gonna put knuckles to chin. That's exactly what He's.

Well, I talked to this guy who's reaff of Bloody Elbow named Mike Reardan. He wrestled at the VMI I believe, no, at the Citadel, excuse me. He wrestled which is division one, and he to me he's always been the best writer for amateur wrestling inside MMA, Like, who's the guy who knew both worlds? And he tells me that the guy if you look at his resume, Madson's resume, it's like the Olympics, he has silver medal and then there's like six European or World championships in a row where he just got silver in all of them. Apparently there was another guy named Vlasov who is like an all time great. So in other words, it's like at light heavyweight, how Cormier was amazing, but for John Jones it's kind of like that. But how good is Daniel Cormier light heavyweight? Pretty goddamn good. You mentioned that he's got the wrestling game on Locke, which he does. He's got that Greco Roman style, the Matt Lynn and the Dan Hendersons and the Randey contorts were bringing sexy back from Greco Roman, but the well, you know, no, it wasn't. But the point being is is, look, he's not just good at that an Olympic level. At that dude, you notice the physicality of him, like he is another level of athletics that even at lightweight you don't necessarily see a whole lot of that. So he looks to be a natural. He can beat bang on his feet, he's got good finishing instincts. He seems strong even at thirty five years old. Another thirty five year old man. Mma is really weird where you get these guys from Olympic wrestling and maybe they were like, okay, Henerson, who who got the gold medal? And that's great, And there's issues about how you ol Ramembro got the silver medal. It's not clear if that's on the up and up. But the point being is this, I like the silver medalists. I like those guys. They got a chip on their goddamn shoulders and they're better athletes than virtually, Like, what's the difference between the athletic ability of a silver medalist and a gold medalist? Typically almost nil? Yeah, very very slight. So you take that guy and then you give him a chip on his shoulder and he has to go compete against Knoks who sho up to gym's to lose weight. Boy, he's gonna put knuckles to chin. That's exactly what He's.

Very similar to growing up in Marietta compared to old Marietta.

Very similar to growing up in Marietta compared to old Marietta.

Yeah, well no, that's more of a class versus you know, statements.

Yeah, well no, that's more of a class versus you know, statements.

But just to finish us, I like a good ground and ponder, I like an old school guy who can finish when he gets in position on the ground. How many times do we see somebody take somebody down, get in that position and not have those same instincts. Yes, we need to see a lot more from this guy, but he talking about opening statement For somebody like me who heard the name, don't know, don't have a clue until I tune in in my bed sheets there in the La Hotel Saturday morning to see this. Great to wake up on the West coast and see a live UFC card, by the way.

But just to finish us, I like a good ground and ponder, I like an old school guy who can finish when he gets in position on the ground. How many times do we see somebody take somebody down, get in that position and not have those same instincts. Yes, we need to see a lot more from this guy, but he talking about opening statement For somebody like me who heard the name, don't know, don't have a clue until I tune in in my bed sheets there in the La Hotel Saturday morning to see this. Great to wake up on the West coast and see a live UFC card, by the way.

Fun to watch football ten am in any event, and also trained by Martin Cammon. It was nice to see Martin Cammon out there, all right. So we'll go to our second one here, but the bel Tour fed Theerwick Grand Prix is set. We know who the eight quarter finals or it was already in motion, but now we know who the quarter finalists are. And so we have an event coming up in I believe dece certainly January, then February, and then I think March will be the last one. Right, So we have all of those all right up to this point, and now you take Okay, So here's what I want you to think about, Brian, all the fights that have happened to this point, the selection show, and then what lies ahead. We are nowhere near finished. But if I had to ask you for a grade through where we are, what would you.

Fun to watch football ten am in any event, and also trained by Martin Cammon. It was nice to see Martin Cammon out there, all right. So we'll go to our second one here, but the bel Tour fed Theerwick Grand Prix is set. We know who the eight quarter finals or it was already in motion, but now we know who the quarter finalists are. And so we have an event coming up in I believe dece certainly January, then February, and then I think March will be the last one. Right, So we have all of those all right up to this point, and now you take Okay, So here's what I want you to think about, Brian, all the fights that have happened to this point, the selection show, and then what lies ahead. We are nowhere near finished. But if I had to ask you for a grade through where we are, what would you.

Say as Wow, And it got to that level because of this selection show. Holy crap, Luke did not watch this live? Hurt everyone in my life. Basically, be like, get ready for the cringe. This is awful. This was crap reality TV. Then I watched it enthrall the entire time. This was genius. This was a great idea. Look, you're already a little bit behind the eight ball. Off your bellatur right, they throw out the tournament. Try to get interested. Yeah, we know a lot of these names, and there's certainly fights that the hardcores want to see. You don't really know the personalities of these guys, and this was such a unique position to put them in a spot where they had to make very strategic in the moment decisions that are normally done behind the scenes, normally done in the US. See them standing with Jen Brown with their coaches behind them. They had thirty seconds to sort of chat. You can kind of almost hear what they're talking about, and you saw what goes into this decision making. They had a chance to either be big balls and call out and fight whoever they wanted, if they wanted to go after the best, or which is what most of them did, made a strategic decision either to rest an injury a little bit longer or to get into an easier side of the bracket. I loved all of that, and I loved it even more when the champ pit bull comes out at the end and he's got a chance to throw the whole bracket upside down. This was what like a white elephant. You know, the Christmas game, the grab bag game. Yeah, my family calls it the Chinese grab bag, which is probably insensitive as Yeah, can we pull that one? Back there a white elephant at the end. You know, everyone knows the first person gets it at the end of a chance to go back and do what they want to see that happen, and to see a guy in the in the quarterfinals in there, Pedro Carvallo, who at first was like, I'm going to fight in March. You know why because I want to get fat during Christmas. Well, now pit Bull crashes the pool, he's got a title shot. This was fun TV, Luke. This gave a face and some personality to guys that, to be honest, really don't. Oh and if you're only sort of a middling MMA fan and you know a little bit about belt or gave you something to care about.

Say as Wow, And it got to that level because of this selection show. Holy crap, Luke did not watch this live? Hurt everyone in my life. Basically, be like, get ready for the cringe. This is awful. This was crap reality TV. Then I watched it enthrall the entire time. This was genius. This was a great idea. Look, you're already a little bit behind the eight ball. Off your bellatur right, they throw out the tournament. Try to get interested. Yeah, we know a lot of these names, and there's certainly fights that the hardcores want to see. You don't really know the personalities of these guys, and this was such a unique position to put them in a spot where they had to make very strategic in the moment decisions that are normally done behind the scenes, normally done in the US. See them standing with Jen Brown with their coaches behind them. They had thirty seconds to sort of chat. You can kind of almost hear what they're talking about, and you saw what goes into this decision making. They had a chance to either be big balls and call out and fight whoever they wanted, if they wanted to go after the best, or which is what most of them did, made a strategic decision either to rest an injury a little bit longer or to get into an easier side of the bracket. I loved all of that, and I loved it even more when the champ pit bull comes out at the end and he's got a chance to throw the whole bracket upside down. This was what like a white elephant. You know, the Christmas game, the grab bag game. Yeah, my family calls it the Chinese grab bag, which is probably insensitive as Yeah, can we pull that one? Back there a white elephant at the end. You know, everyone knows the first person gets it at the end of a chance to go back and do what they want to see that happen, and to see a guy in the in the quarterfinals in there, Pedro Carvallo, who at first was like, I'm going to fight in March. You know why because I want to get fat during Christmas. Well, now pit Bull crashes the pool, he's got a title shot. This was fun TV, Luke. This gave a face and some personality to guys that, to be honest, really don't. Oh and if you're only sort of a middling MMA fan and you know a little bit about belt or gave you something to care about.

It's so funny to me. I don't know exactly why it's happening right now, but between this selection show and the BMF belt over in the UFC, all of a sudden, the promoters kind of realized, maybe our fans want to have fun, and again, not every time, not all the time, you have to do some kind of enormous theatrics or a big stage show like they did for that selection show. I'm not bashing, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be this grandiose rollout every time, but maybe once in a while, manicure the product, maybe once in a while, take a risk, maybe once in a while, do something off the beaten path. And the BMF belt sort of created itself, whereas the Belotor felloweight Grand Prix is a much bigger production, a much more involved procedure. I gotta say I loved everything about that selection show other than by one criticism is that I think it should have been a standalone event. And the reason why is because you had so much going on there, they had to rush it for television purposes. Imagine if they didn't Number one, number two, if you had it as a separate let's say press conference, which I grant it's gonna cost a lot more money refly everyone else back out there. I get it. But if you did that, I think you'd get a lot more media attention. That could be wrong about that.

It's so funny to me. I don't know exactly why it's happening right now, but between this selection show and the BMF belt over in the UFC, all of a sudden, the promoters kind of realized, maybe our fans want to have fun, and again, not every time, not all the time, you have to do some kind of enormous theatrics or a big stage show like they did for that selection show. I'm not bashing, I'm just saying it doesn't have to be this grandiose rollout every time, but maybe once in a while, manicure the product, maybe once in a while, take a risk, maybe once in a while, do something off the beaten path. And the BMF belt sort of created itself, whereas the Belotor felloweight Grand Prix is a much bigger production, a much more involved procedure. I gotta say I loved everything about that selection show other than by one criticism is that I think it should have been a standalone event. And the reason why is because you had so much going on there, they had to rush it for television purposes. Imagine if they didn't Number one, number two, if you had it as a separate let's say press conference, which I grant it's gonna cost a lot more money refly everyone else back out there. I get it. But if you did that, I think you'd get a lot more media attention. That could be wrong about that.

I think you're get less attention. This was a it's debatable for the show you had to see if you're an a fan, right, fair.

I think you're get less attention. This was a it's debatable for the show you had to see if you're an a fan, right, fair.

Enough, But I think if you did it as a standalone event, you could do a lot more with it from a production standpoint. Either way. My only criticism is I don't think they got a chance to maximize what it was. But whatever it was, maximized or not, dude, it was a promoter taking a risk. And you could call it innovation and maybe or not innovation because they're borrowing from the old K one model. Either way, what's what's what's new or what's old is new again and what's tried and true you bring it back, dude. Differentiation is badly needed. I talk about this all the time. People say, well, why can't we fix the rules, Like the NFL can just change their kickoff rules. The NBA don't. If you saw this in their G league, they're gonna have somebody they're gonna attempt. They only have a single shot one the free throw line from the foul, but it could be a one point, a two point, or a three point depending on the context the appointments. I don't know if that's a good rule for the NBAG League. Here's what I do know. They're trying to do something different in MMA. You can't. They gave the UFC and Beltore and everybody else. They gave the keys to the kingdom for rule innovation to the athletic commissions, which means you are very hamstrung in terms of what you can do. You can use this. This to me, Brian Campbell was a great way to find space to innovate.

Enough, But I think if you did it as a standalone event, you could do a lot more with it from a production standpoint. Either way. My only criticism is I don't think they got a chance to maximize what it was. But whatever it was, maximized or not, dude, it was a promoter taking a risk. And you could call it innovation and maybe or not innovation because they're borrowing from the old K one model. Either way, what's what's what's new or what's old is new again and what's tried and true you bring it back, dude. Differentiation is badly needed. I talk about this all the time. People say, well, why can't we fix the rules, Like the NFL can just change their kickoff rules. The NBA don't. If you saw this in their G league, they're gonna have somebody they're gonna attempt. They only have a single shot one the free throw line from the foul, but it could be a one point, a two point, or a three point depending on the context the appointments. I don't know if that's a good rule for the NBAG League. Here's what I do know. They're trying to do something different in MMA. You can't. They gave the UFC and Beltore and everybody else. They gave the keys to the kingdom for rule innovation to the athletic commissions, which means you are very hamstrung in terms of what you can do. You can use this. This to me, Brian Campbell was a great way to find space to innovate.

It's no different than PFL doing a season format, which is a unique thing. And I think in this belt or thing the tournament, whether it's the walter weight one or the heavy wine or Wait one or this featherweight one, you could get natural matchups that aren't booked by promoters, and that's what you love about it. I didn't think you could be better than that, right, This made it even better because now you put the choice in the fighter's hands and in some cases you're choosing timing or you're choosing opponent. Did you have any issue in the end with the fighters not necessarily stepping up and being big balls, being more selective and strategic in who they fight and when, rather than saying I want the champion or hey aj McKee, you just had a giant moment there with an eight second knockout, I want you next.

It's no different than PFL doing a season format, which is a unique thing. And I think in this belt or thing the tournament, whether it's the walter weight one or the heavy wine or Wait one or this featherweight one, you could get natural matchups that aren't booked by promoters, and that's what you love about it. I didn't think you could be better than that, right, This made it even better because now you put the choice in the fighter's hands and in some cases you're choosing timing or you're choosing opponent. Did you have any issue in the end with the fighters not necessarily stepping up and being big balls, being more selective and strategic in who they fight and when, rather than saying I want the champion or hey aj McKee, you just had a giant moment there with an eight second knockout, I want you next.

I okay, here's what I'll say. That could have backfired, but the way in which it shook out, it shook out should say for a j mcke, which I want to get to just a second, and how it pushed the Borich versus Caldwell fight. It was the championship clause that Pitbull took advantage of the way it shook it up. It made everything great. So in the end, I feel like we're getting, if not the best permutation, a very very good one. But you're right, they kind of went down a path that could have gone not poorly, but suboptimally. It was just the way it shook out it ended up being great. Let's talk about ajmckee for just a second, if he can. He has an eight second win. He's only twenty four years old, he's had all of his fights in Bellatore. Is he the one to watch okay, the champions in the tournament outside of him? Is he the one to watch for you? He is? He is.

I okay, here's what I'll say. That could have backfired, but the way in which it shook out, it shook out should say for a j mcke, which I want to get to just a second, and how it pushed the Borich versus Caldwell fight. It was the championship clause that Pitbull took advantage of the way it shook it up. It made everything great. So in the end, I feel like we're getting, if not the best permutation, a very very good one. But you're right, they kind of went down a path that could have gone not poorly, but suboptimally. It was just the way it shook out it ended up being great. Let's talk about ajmckee for just a second, if he can. He has an eight second win. He's only twenty four years old, he's had all of his fights in Bellatore. Is he the one to watch okay, the champions in the tournament outside of him? Is he the one to watch for you? He is? He is.

And Borich had a great first side of the bracket. He really got your attention. I think it's aj mcke's now chance to really be the face of this tournament and really do something big. And it was cool to have his dad, forty nine year old, get a win on that card as well against a stoppage, which, by the way, for the big McKee is rare. Yeah against a maybe not primetime opponent, but that's fine. It's an AJ mcke's night here. And he came out and did exactly what you want to do. Eight second win. But then that celebration was over the top and out of control, and I loved it. I think, see suddenly he's the early wildcard on how great can he be? Giant ceiling, don't know, need to see it now. Did really enjoy Darien Caldwell's victory, even if he didn't really go for the finish when he had the opportunity.

And Borich had a great first side of the bracket. He really got your attention. I think it's aj mcke's now chance to really be the face of this tournament and really do something big. And it was cool to have his dad, forty nine year old, get a win on that card as well against a stoppage, which, by the way, for the big McKee is rare. Yeah against a maybe not primetime opponent, but that's fine. It's an AJ mcke's night here. And he came out and did exactly what you want to do. Eight second win. But then that celebration was over the top and out of control, and I loved it. I think, see suddenly he's the early wildcard on how great can he be? Giant ceiling, don't know, need to see it now. Did really enjoy Darien Caldwell's victory, even if he didn't really go for the finish when he had the opportunity.

So to me, I love this. Twenty four years old, he's had all of his fights in Bellatore. This proves a couple of things, Brian Campbell. Number one, it proves if you are someone of pedigree, if you're a Dylan Danis and you come from an elite jiu jitsu background, if you are the child of an established fighter and coach, and you don't want to compete on the regional cards. You want to start on the big show, but you need that regional card treatment and you want to get better and better and better. Bellatore is a better choice than UFC. It just is. It's just a much. They can do so much more for you. In that regard, UFC is just need to be a much more senior established talent. Doesn't mean you can't get there, because look at the last two fights. He beats Pat Current and now Georgia kar Khanyie, and he is fighting senior level talent at this point. I'm always saying it took him fourteen fifteen fights to get there, which is only to be expected. The Bell Tour should get criticized when they do a bad job building a guy. They should get praised when they do a good job. They have done an excellent job with aj McKee. But I'm telling you I've got my eyes on Adam Borich versus Darren Colwyn. I'll tell you why I really quickly. Dude, that is an amazing fight, because if Aaron Pico can get him down against Adam Borch, you know Darien Caldwell can. But I thought going to one forty five it might open up Darian Caldwell's offense. And to be clear, in the first round he was getting after it looked to me like he took the second round off and then did just enough to win the third.

So to me, I love this. Twenty four years old, he's had all of his fights in Bellatore. This proves a couple of things, Brian Campbell. Number one, it proves if you are someone of pedigree, if you're a Dylan Danis and you come from an elite jiu jitsu background, if you are the child of an established fighter and coach, and you don't want to compete on the regional cards. You want to start on the big show, but you need that regional card treatment and you want to get better and better and better. Bellatore is a better choice than UFC. It just is. It's just a much. They can do so much more for you. In that regard, UFC is just need to be a much more senior established talent. Doesn't mean you can't get there, because look at the last two fights. He beats Pat Current and now Georgia kar Khanyie, and he is fighting senior level talent at this point. I'm always saying it took him fourteen fifteen fights to get there, which is only to be expected. The Bell Tour should get criticized when they do a bad job building a guy. They should get praised when they do a good job. They have done an excellent job with aj McKee. But I'm telling you I've got my eyes on Adam Borich versus Darren Colwyn. I'll tell you why I really quickly. Dude, that is an amazing fight, because if Aaron Pico can get him down against Adam Borch, you know Darien Caldwell can. But I thought going to one forty five it might open up Darian Caldwell's offense. And to be clear, in the first round he was getting after it looked to me like he took the second round off and then did just enough to win the third.

Yeah, he what he got warned for an activity in the third and.

Yeah, he what he got warned for an activity in the third and.

Buddy, I am telling you, you pull that against Adam Bortch, you're gonna wake up looking at the lights. That guy waits for his opportunity. He has the best flying knee or switch double or whatever you want to call those kinds of knees in the game. He is highly offensive, but patient and smart. And the best part about him is like he trains in Hungary, Like what, yes, he trains also sixty five, but he doesn't like there's a lot of where he comes from. What he does, it's somewhat unknown. There's a tapewater from here, but you don't have a real keen sense of his abilities. And plus caldwellllly fights one way it appears that is a huge test.

Buddy, I am telling you, you pull that against Adam Bortch, you're gonna wake up looking at the lights. That guy waits for his opportunity. He has the best flying knee or switch double or whatever you want to call those kinds of knees in the game. He is highly offensive, but patient and smart. And the best part about him is like he trains in Hungary, Like what, yes, he trains also sixty five, but he doesn't like there's a lot of where he comes from. What he does, it's somewhat unknown. There's a tapewater from here, but you don't have a real keen sense of his abilities. And plus caldwellllly fights one way it appears that is a huge test.

I will say cald will impress me though, moving up in wait and winning so dominantly, even if he didn't really take advantage to try to end those fights. And I just want to say this about this selection show in this chance. This obviously works better in Bellatore, where they can handle a cringe, they can handle a carnival, they can put out Dota five thousand and a heart attack match. They can do crazy things well they can. They can't really do that, but they set up a format here could have gone really bad with the reality TV angle, could have gone really well. I gave it a high grade going really well, and you know, we didn't really get a ton of trash talk and a ton of potential over the top moments. I think there's potential for this to grow even more and be even more entertaining. We probably tiptoe the line of cringe.

I will say cald will impress me though, moving up in wait and winning so dominantly, even if he didn't really take advantage to try to end those fights. And I just want to say this about this selection show in this chance. This obviously works better in Bellatore, where they can handle a cringe, they can handle a carnival, they can put out Dota five thousand and a heart attack match. They can do crazy things well they can. They can't really do that, but they set up a format here could have gone really bad with the reality TV angle, could have gone really well. I gave it a high grade going really well, and you know, we didn't really get a ton of trash talk and a ton of potential over the top moments. I think there's potential for this to grow even more and be even more entertaining. We probably tiptoe the line of cringe.

But don't you agree that if it's going to grow, it has to grow as a separate entity like it has to the selection show.

But don't you agree that if it's going to grow, it has to grow as a separate entity like it has to the selection show.

I don't agree with that because if you tell me that there's gonna be a selection show at one o'clock on Thursday, and I think you're gonna get way less viewers and attention than in prime time on a card that you have to see in a big city. I was all for that.

I don't agree with that because if you tell me that there's gonna be a selection show at one o'clock on Thursday, and I think you're gonna get way less viewers and attention than in prime time on a card that you have to see in a big city. I was all for that.

I get it. I don't know. I think if you want to do something more with it, you have to give it space to breathe. So that's just my only sense of some things. But so far with that tournament man so good, and by the way, pit Bull wins in the main event. It's a whole thing Okay, so let's get to something else. I would love to start with now in the third topic, I'll just pitch right to you. Over the weekend, we told you, he told you, I told you, everyone really told you that Aerol Spence taking on Sean Porter was one not to miss. You had Spence this great at waltzerweight, maybe maybe pump for pound great taking on a bull in a china shop in Sean Porter, and oh my god, did this deliver easy candidate for fight of the year. Frankly an all time classic insofar as that division is concerned. Brian Campbell, you were there live in LA. What's the story of the fight.

I get it. I don't know. I think if you want to do something more with it, you have to give it space to breathe. So that's just my only sense of some things. But so far with that tournament man so good, and by the way, pit Bull wins in the main event. It's a whole thing Okay, so let's get to something else. I would love to start with now in the third topic, I'll just pitch right to you. Over the weekend, we told you, he told you, I told you, everyone really told you that Aerol Spence taking on Sean Porter was one not to miss. You had Spence this great at waltzerweight, maybe maybe pump for pound great taking on a bull in a china shop in Sean Porter, and oh my god, did this deliver easy candidate for fight of the year. Frankly an all time classic insofar as that division is concerned. Brian Campbell, you were there live in LA. What's the story of the fight.

The story of the fight is, let's not forget. When this fight is booked, everyone's like, I need to see this because we've never seen Spence against this crazy style against an elite fighter. But look, something happened on the way there. Suddenly the Vegas sharps are telling you Spence is a minor nine hundred favorite and you have Spence at every turn, which we talked about last week, predicting I will easily knock out this guy. Nobody told Sean Porter that in the end, and what you had was a great pay per view fight in which both guys went after it. Luke were just coming off the Mayweather pay per view era where you get big shows but then you get defensive showcases. This were two guys who were forced because of the style that Sean Porter set and the pace to go after it, and you had an exciting fight and the end all takeaway is this is almost a moral victory for Sean Porter. This was his best performance in his career in a loss, though, in which he pushed a guy in Errol Spence, who's showing you up to this point along with Terrence Crawford, all time great potential right, all time great to be a face of this era, and he made him work in a style, pace, in distance he didn't want to for twelve full rounds now in the end, just like in his last fight when Erol Spence out boxed Mikey Garcia for twelve rounds to prove a point, Spence proves another point here that he can fight another man's style, that he can go in that trench for twelve rounds. But don't miss the overall storyline here. Even though Porter lost, he forced one of the great Spence to fight an uncomfortable style the entire fight. Spence was never able to discipline him, slow him down, and basically as a ring general, create control of the fight. Credit to Spence, that eleventh round knockdown was huge on my card. That took that push that in Spence's direction to get a win one fourteen, one thirteen. Judges had a little bit, you know, in the other direction for Spence, But in the end it's survived in advance because Porter made it a hllacious night and Luke, he didn't do it the old Porter way, which is reckless all the time. Did you see the way he set up his attacks with smart feints, with smart footworks, and jam always kept Spence guessing.

The story of the fight is, let's not forget. When this fight is booked, everyone's like, I need to see this because we've never seen Spence against this crazy style against an elite fighter. But look, something happened on the way there. Suddenly the Vegas sharps are telling you Spence is a minor nine hundred favorite and you have Spence at every turn, which we talked about last week, predicting I will easily knock out this guy. Nobody told Sean Porter that in the end, and what you had was a great pay per view fight in which both guys went after it. Luke were just coming off the Mayweather pay per view era where you get big shows but then you get defensive showcases. This were two guys who were forced because of the style that Sean Porter set and the pace to go after it, and you had an exciting fight and the end all takeaway is this is almost a moral victory for Sean Porter. This was his best performance in his career in a loss, though, in which he pushed a guy in Errol Spence, who's showing you up to this point along with Terrence Crawford, all time great potential right, all time great to be a face of this era, and he made him work in a style, pace, in distance he didn't want to for twelve full rounds now in the end, just like in his last fight when Erol Spence out boxed Mikey Garcia for twelve rounds to prove a point, Spence proves another point here that he can fight another man's style, that he can go in that trench for twelve rounds. But don't miss the overall storyline here. Even though Porter lost, he forced one of the great Spence to fight an uncomfortable style the entire fight. Spence was never able to discipline him, slow him down, and basically as a ring general, create control of the fight. Credit to Spence, that eleventh round knockdown was huge on my card. That took that push that in Spence's direction to get a win one fourteen, one thirteen. Judges had a little bit, you know, in the other direction for Spence, But in the end it's survived in advance because Porter made it a hllacious night and Luke, he didn't do it the old Porter way, which is reckless all the time. Did you see the way he set up his attacks with smart feints, with smart footworks, and jam always kept Spence guessing.

Yeah. To me, it's like, is that the fight that Spence said that was going to happen? Like when he was talking about what this fight was going to be and what he was going to prove, did he say it was going to look like that? Never in a million years. If you just zoom out, imagine you had how's your vision? Is it good?

Yeah. To me, it's like, is that the fight that Spence said that was going to happen? Like when he was talking about what this fight was going to be and what he was going to prove, did he say it was going to look like that? Never in a million years. If you just zoom out, imagine you had how's your vision? Is it good?

Can you see?

Can you see?

Is that right? Okay, you're a mutant, that's fine. At twenty twenty, I looked at the TV imagine you had blurry vision, and you just saw them kind of fighting the way that they were. You would say, like I always tell folks, for example, when you watch a Floyd fight, it often is a little bit slow, it's methodical, it's taking place at distance. The one with Codo a little bit different, and certainly against my Don a little bit different too. But in general, why do his fights look that way? Because he makes them look that way. The complexion of the fight often tells you who's winning, which is interesting because the overall complexion of this fight had a Sean Porter fight written all over. It was a goddamn brawl at times, right, it was amazing, and there were times where Spence was covering up and ducking for dear life.

Is that right? Okay, you're a mutant, that's fine. At twenty twenty, I looked at the TV imagine you had blurry vision, and you just saw them kind of fighting the way that they were. You would say, like I always tell folks, for example, when you watch a Floyd fight, it often is a little bit slow, it's methodical, it's taking place at distance. The one with Codo a little bit different, and certainly against my Don a little bit different too. But in general, why do his fights look that way? Because he makes them look that way. The complexion of the fight often tells you who's winning, which is interesting because the overall complexion of this fight had a Sean Porter fight written all over. It was a goddamn brawl at times, right, it was amazing, and there were times where Spence was covering up and ducking for dear life.

He looked not hurt, but he looked uncomfortable.

He looked not hurt, but he looked uncomfortable.

Looked uncomfortable, very uncomfortable at times, dude. So here's what I took away from this fight. One Spence is the real deal. Holy Field right to be able to fight a guy like that who was putting it on you, scoring that eleventh round knockdown. And now there's a question about where he goes from here, which we'll talk about just a second, But for that moment in time, you thought to yourself, dude, he can fight smart Mikey Garcia and then brawling Sean Porter and he can come out the other end not looking too scuffed up all that much. On the other hand, Sean Porter proved, Okay, is he the best waltz wait in the world. He's not, but you better be and you better be on your A game when you are the best. If you're gonna take on Sean Porter. He is a tough out for anybody.

Looked uncomfortable, very uncomfortable at times, dude. So here's what I took away from this fight. One Spence is the real deal. Holy Field right to be able to fight a guy like that who was putting it on you, scoring that eleventh round knockdown. And now there's a question about where he goes from here, which we'll talk about just a second, But for that moment in time, you thought to yourself, dude, he can fight smart Mikey Garcia and then brawling Sean Porter and he can come out the other end not looking too scuffed up all that much. On the other hand, Sean Porter proved, Okay, is he the best waltz wait in the world. He's not, but you better be and you better be on your A game when you are the best. If you're gonna take on Sean Porter. He is a tough out for anybody.

You let him in your house, somebody's get knocked up, he's gonna get inside.

You let him in your house, somebody's get knocked up, he's gonna get inside.

You have to be on your p's and q's the whole time. And dude, you're right. I had it one fifteen, one twelve thought. But to me it was like, I, you know, there was I think I was like nine rounds in. I think I like a Porter had a winning thought.

You have to be on your p's and q's the whole time. And dude, you're right. I had it one fifteen, one twelve thought. But to me it was like, I, you know, there was I think I was like nine rounds in. I think I like a Porter had a winning thought.

It was one of those where you're literally judging Porter's control of the pace in the fight and the dictation of the terms against Spence, landing cleaner countershots. And I think sometimes people whin they're scoring fights, especially at home, and they're drinking and they're not paying attention as much. You only score the scoring blows if you are making another man fight your crazy style and he doesn't want to. That's a big part of winning around.

It was one of those where you're literally judging Porter's control of the pace in the fight and the dictation of the terms against Spence, landing cleaner countershots. And I think sometimes people whin they're scoring fights, especially at home, and they're drinking and they're not paying attention as much. You only score the scoring blows if you are making another man fight your crazy style and he doesn't want to. That's a big part of winning around.

But if he can do that and then drop you in the eleventh and then find other sort of key precise moments to Larry proved he's the real exactly that stuff that was just that extra edge. So now the question goes to who is you had Danny Garcia in there. I don't know how I feel about this.

But if he can do that and then drop you in the eleventh and then find other sort of key precise moments to Larry proved he's the real exactly that stuff that was just that extra edge. So now the question goes to who is you had Danny Garcia in there. I don't know how I feel about this.

Here's the problem the fans are really upset about.

Here's the problem the fans are really upset about.

Well, hold, let me let me give you my sense of things, because I think it was after the Garcia fight. If I'm not mistaken that Spence called out Pa Pacio jack the ring. That's right, And if Patio just had his big win over Keith Thurman, Keith Thurman has his hand messed up. They can't make that fight anyway. So you're like, oh, man, that'd be great. Pacio seems to look revived, you know, when there may or may not be VODA testing. I'm not saying one way or the other. I don't really care one way the other, but let's let's be honest. He looked great against thurmant okay, and he still has the ability to pull big numbers on PBC. That is the fight to make. I think you would agree. I would like to see that one in the perfect world, or maybe the Bud Crawford one. But here we go Pakio, I don't know that he is available for the moment. And then on the other side you have Bud Crawford, who is with top right now. I know they got this fight happening between Ortiz and Wilder and saying, oh, if we come together for this, I'm saying, if we come together for this, we can just make things happen. But the reality is there are more welterweights in the PBC stable. They don't actually need to make that happen in the same way that they kind of need to make Fury and wild or two. So it looks like Danny Garcia is the guy. Why should fans.

Well, hold, let me let me give you my sense of things, because I think it was after the Garcia fight. If I'm not mistaken that Spence called out Pa Pacio jack the ring. That's right, And if Patio just had his big win over Keith Thurman, Keith Thurman has his hand messed up. They can't make that fight anyway. So you're like, oh, man, that'd be great. Pacio seems to look revived, you know, when there may or may not be VODA testing. I'm not saying one way or the other. I don't really care one way the other, but let's let's be honest. He looked great against thurmant okay, and he still has the ability to pull big numbers on PBC. That is the fight to make. I think you would agree. I would like to see that one in the perfect world, or maybe the Bud Crawford one. But here we go Pakio, I don't know that he is available for the moment. And then on the other side you have Bud Crawford, who is with top right now. I know they got this fight happening between Ortiz and Wilder and saying, oh, if we come together for this, I'm saying, if we come together for this, we can just make things happen. But the reality is there are more welterweights in the PBC stable. They don't actually need to make that happen in the same way that they kind of need to make Fury and wild or two. So it looks like Danny Garcia is the guy. Why should fans.

Fans are upset because it seemed predetermined and it was right. Spence wins PBC Al Hayman Fox suddenly as Danny Garcia, who was on the announced desk above the arena, suddenly right there, turtleneck and all, and they sort of said, matter of fact, you get the next fight. The problem with that is he just lost to Spence. Last October in that vacant title bout in which I'm Sorry to Porter, in which Porter wins the WBC title and gets into this fight. Since then, he's bounced back with a nice knockout of Adrian Garnados, but he hasn't seemed to in this season do enough to earn it. The reason why I'm not upset is a couple of things. Wanted to be a great stylistic fight, because Danny Garcia is an elite boxer with a great chin, and he has the type of power specifically in that left hook to counter you that it's going to be an interesting, tense chess match the whole time. And number two, I've been talking about this welterweight era being potentially historic, Okay, not better than the four Kings of the eighties, and then they all moved up to middleweight, the Hagler, the Hearns, the Durans and all that. But if we look back on this era and say that we had Spence Crawford and then a bunch of great b plus fighters like Thurman, like Porter, like Danny Garcia, and they all ended up fighting each other, well, I'm okay with this. I'm okay with this then Spence taking some mandatory against somebody else. He's potentially now going to be in three pay per views as an a side in less than a year. And regardless of how this pay per view scores on the by rate with Porter, I think the way Spence fought, he's going to be just fine as a brand moving forward as one of the most important PBC fighters because he went out there and had to fight to win it. And in the end, yeah, people will pay for personalities, but they want to pay for something that's going to guarantee a win. The reason why I'm not so upset about Pacio is I have my own sort of thoughts in my head. Okay, he's being linked for a Mikey Garcia potential pay per view at the early of next year. You can like that fight, you can hate that fight. That's fine. I'm wondering if he wasn't in the ring there, because maybe we'll get something called maypac two next year. And I'm not saying this with inside info. I'm saying it kind of makes sense. Right, there's enough smoke here and enough money to be made. Maybe it would be smart not to throw Pacio right at Spence. If you're booking the whole damn territory as a whole, and maybe set up that fight and then if we can get something like Spence Crawford in twenty twenty one, which the head of Fox Programming who talked to the reporters of the Weekend said we'd love to do that, you could end up winning out in the end. This is boxing. It's not the organized NBA playoffs unfortunately, where the best is going to keep climbing and fight the best. But if you sit here and say you don't like Spence Danny Garcia as a fight, I'm gonna question you on that.

Fans are upset because it seemed predetermined and it was right. Spence wins PBC Al Hayman Fox suddenly as Danny Garcia, who was on the announced desk above the arena, suddenly right there, turtleneck and all, and they sort of said, matter of fact, you get the next fight. The problem with that is he just lost to Spence. Last October in that vacant title bout in which I'm Sorry to Porter, in which Porter wins the WBC title and gets into this fight. Since then, he's bounced back with a nice knockout of Adrian Garnados, but he hasn't seemed to in this season do enough to earn it. The reason why I'm not upset is a couple of things. Wanted to be a great stylistic fight, because Danny Garcia is an elite boxer with a great chin, and he has the type of power specifically in that left hook to counter you that it's going to be an interesting, tense chess match the whole time. And number two, I've been talking about this welterweight era being potentially historic, Okay, not better than the four Kings of the eighties, and then they all moved up to middleweight, the Hagler, the Hearns, the Durans and all that. But if we look back on this era and say that we had Spence Crawford and then a bunch of great b plus fighters like Thurman, like Porter, like Danny Garcia, and they all ended up fighting each other, well, I'm okay with this. I'm okay with this then Spence taking some mandatory against somebody else. He's potentially now going to be in three pay per views as an a side in less than a year. And regardless of how this pay per view scores on the by rate with Porter, I think the way Spence fought, he's going to be just fine as a brand moving forward as one of the most important PBC fighters because he went out there and had to fight to win it. And in the end, yeah, people will pay for personalities, but they want to pay for something that's going to guarantee a win. The reason why I'm not so upset about Pacio is I have my own sort of thoughts in my head. Okay, he's being linked for a Mikey Garcia potential pay per view at the early of next year. You can like that fight, you can hate that fight. That's fine. I'm wondering if he wasn't in the ring there, because maybe we'll get something called maypac two next year. And I'm not saying this with inside info. I'm saying it kind of makes sense. Right, there's enough smoke here and enough money to be made. Maybe it would be smart not to throw Pacio right at Spence. If you're booking the whole damn territory as a whole, and maybe set up that fight and then if we can get something like Spence Crawford in twenty twenty one, which the head of Fox Programming who talked to the reporters of the Weekend said we'd love to do that, you could end up winning out in the end. This is boxing. It's not the organized NBA playoffs unfortunately, where the best is going to keep climbing and fight the best. But if you sit here and say you don't like Spence Danny Garcia as a fight, I'm gonna question you on that.

Iss Nothing I dislike it. It's that if the real claim to why we should do it is for historical completeness, that's not a bad argument. But that's not an argument why I should take Danny Garcia's chances seriously. Right, I took Porter's chances seriously. I would take Pacquiao's chances seriously. I don't take his chances seriously. Now, I'm not suggesting to you that Garcia is some kind of scrub. He is not right. I was there when he fought Lucas Matisse, when Matis was in his power punching prime and he beat him and his dad on Hew Garcia let the whole room know about it. I remember that quite distinctly, right, But at the same time, it's like, do whatever whatever. However good Garcia is, Spence is a little bit better. I'm not suggesting he's unbeatable.

Iss Nothing I dislike it. It's that if the real claim to why we should do it is for historical completeness, that's not a bad argument. But that's not an argument why I should take Danny Garcia's chances seriously. Right, I took Porter's chances seriously. I would take Pacquiao's chances seriously. I don't take his chances seriously. Now, I'm not suggesting to you that Garcia is some kind of scrub. He is not right. I was there when he fought Lucas Matisse, when Matis was in his power punching prime and he beat him and his dad on Hew Garcia let the whole room know about it. I remember that quite distinctly, right, But at the same time, it's like, do whatever whatever. However good Garcia is, Spence is a little bit better. I'm not suggesting he's unbeatable.

Well, look, he pushed Keith Thurman to the limit and basically a split decision.

Well, look, he pushed Keith Thurman to the limit and basically a split decision.

Yeah, but that was Thrman. No that we're now saying was on the decline.

Yeah, but that was Thrman. No that we're now saying was on the decline.

No, not not at that time. That was before the injury.

No, not not at that time. That was before the injury.

That was that was That was the beginning of the chapter of his alleged decline.

That was that was That was the beginning of the chapter of his alleged decline.

It was the last fight before the two year break and the injuries ry and it was a pretty damn good fight.

It was the last fight before the two year break and the injuries ry and it was a pretty damn good fight.

When people bring up his decline, they talk about the Danny Garcia fight, whether that is fair or whether that is not fair, they do. They don't say all of a sudden, oh you bet Danny Garcia, And it's only a function of the time off.

When people bring up his decline, they talk about the Danny Garcia fight, whether that is fair or whether that is not fair, they do. They don't say all of a sudden, oh you bet Danny Garcia, And it's only a function of the time off.

I'm just saying Danny Garcia is pretty damn elite. He hasn't doesn't have the welterweight resume, even though he's hell the world title that he had at one forty. But he's pretty damn elite. And I'm not trying to sid here as company man of anybody and say, well, this is fine, this is how boxing does. It is Spence Pacio the next logical step if you're trying to find out who the best welterweight in the world is. Yes, but I also have beaten down and understand how the boxing business works, say, promotion works and network works in setting up big fights, and Spence Danny see it to me, that's Dan would fight.