It is Monday, the twenty third of September twenty nineteen, and it's time for Morning Combat. Hello everybody, my name is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program next to my trusty co host, Brian Campbell.

It is Monday, the twenty third of September twenty nineteen, and it's time for Morning Combat. Hello everybody, my name is Luke Thomas. I'm the host of this program next to my trusty co host, Brian Campbell.

We appreciate you guys watching.

We appreciate you guys watching.

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How are you doing? By the way, how is the right thing?

How are you doing? By the way, how is the right thing?

Amazing weekend?

Amazing weekend?

Help you?

Help you?

You're a little tam Yeah.

You're a little tam Yeah.

How about that Native American summer going on right now? I mean, isn't that what they call it? I don't know when it's really hot?

How about that Native American summer going on right now? I mean, isn't that what they call it? I don't know when it's really hot?

You mean Indian summer?

You mean Indian summer?

Guy? So not wolk right here outdoors? You know, kids had some sporting events, you know, get a little little color action. Really nice yourself. You got any metal shows you go to?

Guy? So not wolk right here outdoors? You know, kids had some sporting events, you know, get a little little color action. Really nice yourself. You got any metal shows you go to?

Uh No, I am taking the wife to see Cannibal Corpse in November. This is true in Philly that should be a very rowdy show. No, my wife, we met with some Colombian uh in laws, but family, well sort of family members.

Uh No, I am taking the wife to see Cannibal Corpse in November. This is true in Philly that should be a very rowdy show. No, my wife, we met with some Colombian uh in laws, but family, well sort of family members.

At what point do you share with your daughter on your iPod, your pre mass shooters playlist.

At what point do you share with your daughter on your iPod, your pre mass shooters playlist.

Well, again, my daughter was in utero in my wife's belly when we went to a Dying Fetus show right here in New York City. So soon is the answer.

Well, again, my daughter was in utero in my wife's belly when we went to a Dying Fetus show right here in New York City. So soon is the answer.

When I bathe her, that's why you named her Courtney.

When I bathe her, that's why you named her Courtney.

I get it, uh Violetta when we when I bathe her, it's a lot of it's a lot of angry metal.

I get it, uh Violetta when we when I bathe her, it's a lot of it's a lot of angry metal.

Well, my wife bathed there. It's a lot of tears for fears or something.

Well, my wife bathed there. It's a lot of tears for fears or something.

It's enough talking about children in bats speak, Coach Van Dusky, thank you.

It's enough talking about children in bats speak, Coach Van Dusky, thank you.

Let's speaking of tears, Brian Campbell. There were many of them.

Let's speaking of tears, Brian Campbell. There were many of them.

There was wailing and gnashing of teeth because UFC Mexico was over the weekend, and well it was a weird event. So let's start with the weirdness that was the apex of it, namely the main event that was supposed to be between Year Rodriguez and Jeremy Stevens at last, a whopping total of fifteen seconds before Jeremy Stevens gets his eyes raked. It ends up being a no contest. He has to get escorted out of there. They're throwing beer, they're throwing popcorn.

There was wailing and gnashing of teeth because UFC Mexico was over the weekend, and well it was a weird event. So let's start with the weirdness that was the apex of it, namely the main event that was supposed to be between Year Rodriguez and Jeremy Stevens at last, a whopping total of fifteen seconds before Jeremy Stevens gets his eyes raked. It ends up being a no contest. He has to get escorted out of there. They're throwing beer, they're throwing popcorn.

There's Stephen Jackson got into the crowd, start throwing punches.

There's Stephen Jackson got into the crowd, start throwing punches.

You know, it was great, it was it was a brawl. Then yayar was he seemed very fired up. Okay, so we're trying to think about what the lessons are here first on this one. So the lessons I'm gonna I'm gonna go first on this one.

You know, it was great, it was it was a brawl. Then yayar was he seemed very fired up. Okay, so we're trying to think about what the lessons are here first on this one. So the lessons I'm gonna I'm gonna go first on this one.

Away take the one.

Away take the one.

If I'm Jesus, take the wheel secondary me. Here's what I would say about this. Look, the reality is I did not see a ton of people getting out there and condemning Jeremy Stevens. But I did see a little bit of it. Let me just say something about Jeremy Stevens. Jeremy Stevens is a throwback fighter. If you look at his record, I think it's something like twenty eight and sixteen. He has faced the very best of his generation, Brian Campbell, fight in and fight out, and sometimes he wins and sometimes he loses. He does not have the most spectacular winning record. What he does have is nothing but an attitude of piss and vinegar. He was on my show one time and I forget which fight it was for, and I asked him why he accepted it given I think he was on that winning street before the Eldo fight, and he basically explained, he goes, I didn't know we could turn down fights, meaning he like it didn't even occur to him to say no when a name came from the UFC matchmakers.

If I'm Jesus, take the wheel secondary me. Here's what I would say about this. Look, the reality is I did not see a ton of people getting out there and condemning Jeremy Stevens. But I did see a little bit of it. Let me just say something about Jeremy Stevens. Jeremy Stevens is a throwback fighter. If you look at his record, I think it's something like twenty eight and sixteen. He has faced the very best of his generation, Brian Campbell, fight in and fight out, and sometimes he wins and sometimes he loses. He does not have the most spectacular winning record. What he does have is nothing but an attitude of piss and vinegar. He was on my show one time and I forget which fight it was for, and I asked him why he accepted it given I think he was on that winning street before the Eldo fight, and he basically explained, he goes, I didn't know we could turn down fights, meaning he like it didn't even occur to him to say no when a name came from the UFC matchmakers.

He is a bruiser, a marauder.

He is a bruiser, a marauder.

And if anybody says they are injured and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Because I'm not an ophthalmologist, I don't know it is Jeremy Stevens.

And if anybody says they are injured and deserves the benefit of the doubt. Because I'm not an ophthalmologist, I don't know it is Jeremy Stevens.

I mean he was Today's removed from on Instagram.

I mean he was Today's removed from on Instagram.

Do you see that little hallaboo where he wrote out a teenage kid and was basically like keep talking and I'll kill you like your father. Like like there was like this is that dude, you know? Psycho killer Keska say he's got that mentality. He's not quitting, He's not refusing to open his eye by any means.

Do you see that little hallaboo where he wrote out a teenage kid and was basically like keep talking and I'll kill you like your father. Like like there was like this is that dude, you know? Psycho killer Keska say he's got that mentality. He's not quitting, He's not refusing to open his eye by any means.

No.

No.

By by the way, if you look it up again, this is some basic WebMD research, but apparently the corny of the eye has five layers. If you take off just the first one, which apparently is very easy to get rid of. The eye has that in that particular space, more nerve endings than any other place on your body. So like, that's why I hit the He had this triggered response where he couldn't even open the thing. So that would be my number one lesson I learned from this, which is there is no level of ability, accomplishment, gameness, or toughness in MMA that will immunize you from criticism. Doesn't matter how much you show to them over how many years, they decide one time you're malingering.

By by the way, if you look it up again, this is some basic WebMD research, but apparently the corny of the eye has five layers. If you take off just the first one, which apparently is very easy to get rid of. The eye has that in that particular space, more nerve endings than any other place on your body. So like, that's why I hit the He had this triggered response where he couldn't even open the thing. So that would be my number one lesson I learned from this, which is there is no level of ability, accomplishment, gameness, or toughness in MMA that will immunize you from criticism. Doesn't matter how much you show to them over how many years, they decide one time you're malingering.

They'll just accuse you're.

They'll just accuse you're.

Trying to get me to apologize, Tod Duffy, is what you're doing here?

Trying to get me to apologize, Tod Duffy, is what you're doing here?

Now's your chance?

Now's your chance?

All right? Well, I mean even I mean this dude, they say, he spent what thirty thousand on this training camp, moved his life to Mexico to prepare for this fight. He's not going to quit fifteen seconds in without giving it that chance. But you said sort of what we learned from this lessons learned? How about the lesson of maybe we don't go back to Mexico's city wow. Oh even Sea level Cane sitting cage side was sort of like, oh man, this is not a good look, bro. This they turned this into a palace brawl situation. But here's the difference. When the Pacers and Pistons brawl in two thousand and four, that was because the players went in the crowd, and we're like attacking fans. So what in this case, you paid your money for this great fight that didn't happen, a pretty good card leading up to that fight. It gives you the right to just throw ish left and right. I mean, did you see the footage? Can we show we can we show Brendan Fitzgerald the UFC an outs there ducking for cover. I mean that was a little bit extreme right there, right, that was a little much biz ping on the can right there. But he got hit in the head. Everyone's getting hit in Just the disgrace of seeing Jeremy Stevens walk out with his team and security covering his head, people throwing punches to the back of his head, beers, flying ice.

All right? Well, I mean even I mean this dude, they say, he spent what thirty thousand on this training camp, moved his life to Mexico to prepare for this fight. He's not going to quit fifteen seconds in without giving it that chance. But you said sort of what we learned from this lessons learned? How about the lesson of maybe we don't go back to Mexico's city wow. Oh even Sea level Cane sitting cage side was sort of like, oh man, this is not a good look, bro. This they turned this into a palace brawl situation. But here's the difference. When the Pacers and Pistons brawl in two thousand and four, that was because the players went in the crowd, and we're like attacking fans. So what in this case, you paid your money for this great fight that didn't happen, a pretty good card leading up to that fight. It gives you the right to just throw ish left and right. I mean, did you see the footage? Can we show we can we show Brendan Fitzgerald the UFC an outs there ducking for cover. I mean that was a little bit extreme right there, right, that was a little much biz ping on the can right there. But he got hit in the head. Everyone's getting hit in Just the disgrace of seeing Jeremy Stevens walk out with his team and security covering his head, people throwing punches to the back of his head, beers, flying ice.

Cubes, hot dogs, well I wouldn't mind that, but at some point.

Cubes, hot dogs, well I wouldn't mind that, but at some point.

Look some hot dogs in your face.

Look some hot dogs in your face.

Here's the deal, though, Luke, I get it. You can be upset that the fight didn't happen, but like, how did it go from zero to insanity?

Here's the deal, though, Luke, I get it. You can be upset that the fight didn't happen, but like, how did it go from zero to insanity?

So when there wasn't like, look, this wasn't even like a Connor.

So when there wasn't like, look, this wasn't even like a Connor.

Habib brawl where the where the nationalistic emotions are so charged. This was just sort of like, oh ho, hom mittreol and kicked the dude in the stick. I guess we gotta end this fight.

Habib brawl where the where the nationalistic emotions are so charged. This was just sort of like, oh ho, hom mittreol and kicked the dude in the stick. I guess we gotta end this fight.

So here's what I would say to that, Like, first of all, I just look, there's no way to look at what the Mexican fan base that did there and say anything other than it's reprehensible. It's reprehensible, there's no place for it. It's ridiculous, it's over the top, it's frankly gross'. It's just not defensible. On the other hand, it's not the Palace at the Mauice bro And I understand what you're trying to say. It could have been if you let Jeremy Steve Stevens into the audience Cyclops and all.

So here's what I would say to that, Like, first of all, I just look, there's no way to look at what the Mexican fan base that did there and say anything other than it's reprehensible. It's reprehensible, there's no place for it. It's ridiculous, it's over the top, it's frankly gross'. It's just not defensible. On the other hand, it's not the Palace at the Mauice bro And I understand what you're trying to say. It could have been if you let Jeremy Steve Stevens into the audience Cyclops and all.

I get it, I know.

I get it, I know.

But the thing I'll say about is this two things I take away from it. One is this is what happens when you have an immature fan base and by imature. I don't mean fourteen years old. What I mean is, by the time you come to the United States and you have a developed market, you talk to MMA fans like real MMA fans do. They have like a legitimate reverence not merely for their favorite fighter a Frankie Edgarro George Saint Pierre, but for like the sport generally. Which isn't to say that American fans are above bad behavior. God knows, they get involve all the time. But I just don't feel like MMA fans the United States are as prone to chuck and shit into a cage if they don't get their way because they think they have a certain like literally reverence for the sport. That's one second thing I'll say is this again, there's nothing to say to the Mexican fan base except shame on you. On the other hand, if you watch soccer, that wouldn't shit honestly compared to what soccer fans have to go through it. By the way, understanding there they about the soccer fan base here in the United States and in Mexico, they'll throw backs and piss at them.

But the thing I'll say about is this two things I take away from it. One is this is what happens when you have an immature fan base and by imature. I don't mean fourteen years old. What I mean is, by the time you come to the United States and you have a developed market, you talk to MMA fans like real MMA fans do. They have like a legitimate reverence not merely for their favorite fighter a Frankie Edgarro George Saint Pierre, but for like the sport generally. Which isn't to say that American fans are above bad behavior. God knows, they get involve all the time. But I just don't feel like MMA fans the United States are as prone to chuck and shit into a cage if they don't get their way because they think they have a certain like literally reverence for the sport. That's one second thing I'll say is this again, there's nothing to say to the Mexican fan base except shame on you. On the other hand, if you watch soccer, that wouldn't shit honestly compared to what soccer fans have to go through it. By the way, understanding there they about the soccer fan base here in the United States and in Mexico, they'll throw backs and piss at them.

At last ten, that's like saying, well, if ever been in jail, you can't compare it to that.

At last ten, that's like saying, well, if ever been in jail, you can't compare it to that.

I understand, I understand.

I understand, I understand.

I just I feel there is enough room to say what they did was reprehensible without saying it was murder, because it wasn't really murder.

I just I feel there is enough room to say what they did was reprehensible without saying it was murder, because it wasn't really murder.

It's like, whoe they met at? Do you think that was complete?

It's like, whoe they met at? Do you think that was complete?

Because by looking at it as a whole, it looks like, Oh, they're pissed at Jeremy Stevens. They think he quit, they think he ruined their time, they think he inevitably stole money from them. They didn't get the main event they wanted, they didn't get a chance to cheer on Yai Ear.

Because by looking at it as a whole, it looks like, Oh, they're pissed at Jeremy Stevens. They think he quit, they think he ruined their time, they think he inevitably stole money from them. They didn't get the main event they wanted, they didn't get a chance to cheer on Yai Ear.

But that wasn't really what I saw.

But that wasn't really what I saw.

What I saw was a crowd that really we began to turn ugly at the end of the coal main event when carl Asparza gets that very close decision over Lexa Grosso, who's from Mexico.

What I saw was a crowd that really we began to turn ugly at the end of the coal main event when carl Asparza gets that very close decision over Lexa Grosso, who's from Mexico.

By the way.

By the way.

Esparsa is also a Mexican American by the way, so it's not like it's that one sided on there. But they seemed very upset by that decision. You saw a foul mood in the air, booing her, and it almost seemed like by the time that main event happened.

Esparsa is also a Mexican American by the way, so it's not like it's that one sided on there. But they seemed very upset by that decision. You saw a foul mood in the air, booing her, and it almost seemed like by the time that main event happened.

We wanted lust, we wanted blood. We're lusting for blood.

We wanted lust, we wanted blood. We're lusting for blood.

We want lust too, but we're lusting for blood in this case, and if we don't get it, we're gonna riot. I don't even think it was like a f you, Jeremy Stevens. It was like a oh crap, we didn't get we won.

We want lust too, but we're lusting for blood in this case, and if we don't get it, we're gonna riot. I don't even think it was like a f you, Jeremy Stevens. It was like a oh crap, we didn't get we won.

How many times have you seen a fan brawl or fan backlash that you could make, especially alcohol fund I don't mean like online or in response to something thoughtful or considered. We're talking about they were chucking beer. By the way, a lot of places in the rest of the world, like you go to a soccer game in England or where I've been in South America, you can't even drink at the game. So they allowed you to drink at this place, which, by the way, you're just going to heighten the Irrationally you're expecting a rational response foman inherently irrational situation, You're not going to find one.

How many times have you seen a fan brawl or fan backlash that you could make, especially alcohol fund I don't mean like online or in response to something thoughtful or considered. We're talking about they were chucking beer. By the way, a lot of places in the rest of the world, like you go to a soccer game in England or where I've been in South America, you can't even drink at the game. So they allowed you to drink at this place, which, by the way, you're just going to heighten the Irrationally you're expecting a rational response foman inherently irrational situation, You're not going to find one.

Again.

Again.

There is no defense of what they're doing. They were Matt Jeremy Stevens. They were mad in the situation, and they want to hit someone for it.

There is no defense of what they're doing. They were Matt Jeremy Stevens. They were mad in the situation, and they want to hit someone for it.

Who does that? Who does that?

Who does that? Who does that?

All I'm saying is you had a soccer game in Meta Gene over the weekend where someone got a knife thrown at them one of the players.

All I'm saying is you had a soccer game in Meta Gene over the weekend where someone got a knife thrown at them one of the players.

By the fans you go to.

By the fans you go to.

By the way, who's some folks don't realize in the Mexican fan base for the soccer for the soccer team, they can outnumber the US fan base in the US, like when they play at the Rose Bowl.

By the way, who's some folks don't realize in the Mexican fan base for the soccer for the soccer team, they can outnumber the US fan base in the US, like when they play at the Rose Bowl.

Bro listen to the stories like.

Bro listen to the stories like.

The Mexican fan base and like, I'm not saying that the American Outlaws are some kind of heroes.

The Mexican fan base and like, I'm not saying that the American Outlaws are some kind of heroes.

What I'm saying is they're not.

What I'm saying is they're not.

Known in those contexts for being super hospitable. All I'm saying is it was bad. It just wasn't the end of the world. We stopped saying it at the end of the world. No, it's pretty bad, Luke, it's bad. It's the world and soccer soccer. But there's a spectrum, there's a spectrum of how these things go, and in terms of that spectrum, this was fairly in the middle for MMA.

Known in those contexts for being super hospitable. All I'm saying is it was bad. It just wasn't the end of the world. We stopped saying it at the end of the world. No, it's pretty bad, Luke, it's bad. It's the world and soccer soccer. But there's a spectrum, there's a spectrum of how these things go, and in terms of that spectrum, this was fairly in the middle for MMA.

It's awful, and it just shows a lot of respect for the whole situation. And I know, for a for a sport that's built off of just bleed and we're fighting in a cage. There seems to be proper to carm on the fans for the most part. Normally, I know, fights breakout and alcohol is consumed. But you think the UFC should not go back for a while and just say, hey, you screwed yourself, or like penalize Mexico City and come back with like Woodley Maya too.

It's awful, and it just shows a lot of respect for the whole situation. And I know, for a for a sport that's built off of just bleed and we're fighting in a cage. There seems to be proper to carm on the fans for the most part. Normally, I know, fights breakout and alcohol is consumed. But you think the UFC should not go back for a while and just say, hey, you screwed yourself, or like penalize Mexico City and come back with like Woodley Maya too.

And there might be Look, here's what you want to do. You might want to limit the extent to which you have alcohol sales. Number one, not saying you have to eliminate it, but tamper it down perhaps. And two, the solution is to not go less. The solution is not to ramp it up, but to keep going. Remember the issue is you have a fan base that's still newly encountering the sports. They're not going to understand it in the way that they should in totality, in the ways that a more Canadian market or even to an extent of Brazilian market might, Although the Brazilian market has their own issues, I suppose as well keep going there, educate them, bring them up to speed. That's going to get you in a place where you're going to be less likely to get this. But again, sporting traditions around the world are very, very different. This is not an excusable one, but the idea is this the last time this is going to happen at a UFC show when they tour the world.

And there might be Look, here's what you want to do. You might want to limit the extent to which you have alcohol sales. Number one, not saying you have to eliminate it, but tamper it down perhaps. And two, the solution is to not go less. The solution is not to ramp it up, but to keep going. Remember the issue is you have a fan base that's still newly encountering the sports. They're not going to understand it in the way that they should in totality, in the ways that a more Canadian market or even to an extent of Brazilian market might, Although the Brazilian market has their own issues, I suppose as well keep going there, educate them, bring them up to speed. That's going to get you in a place where you're going to be less likely to get this. But again, sporting traditions around the world are very, very different. This is not an excusable one, but the idea is this the last time this is going to happen at a UFC show when they tour the world.

Probably not.

Probably not.

How much blame do you think should go to Yaya Rodriguez? Can we get a welfare check on him? And I don't mean the.

How much blame do you think should go to Yaya Rodriguez? Can we get a welfare check on him? And I don't mean the.

Moment feature back to you.

Moment feature back to you.

So after the fight, he looked like he was enraged and like full of emotion, pent up that he got no release for where Bisping puts his hand on his shoulder and he screams at him in Spanish. I asked my wife for a translation. She had trouble picking it up. She was like, there's three words I get out of this, and none of them are good. So he later apologized, which folks didn't see. I actually saw him go up and say I'm sorry, and Michael was like, it's cool. I get that he was hot in emotions, but I did see online Brian Campbell a lot of people upset with the Aar Rodriguez.

So after the fight, he looked like he was enraged and like full of emotion, pent up that he got no release for where Bisping puts his hand on his shoulder and he screams at him in Spanish. I asked my wife for a translation. She had trouble picking it up. She was like, there's three words I get out of this, and none of them are good. So he later apologized, which folks didn't see. I actually saw him go up and say I'm sorry, and Michael was like, it's cool. I get that he was hot in emotions, but I did see online Brian Campbell a lot of people upset with the Aar Rodriguez.

Should they be Yeah, I think to a certain degree.

Should they be Yeah, I think to a certain degree.

If he's the hometown hero and he's the one that the crowd is there to see that they're going to respond to his mood swings to a certain level, and he sort of was insanely immature in the way he responded to that. Look, yeah, here, it was your fault that the fight, end of that way. It's random, it's bad luck, it's all that, But it's your fault. You're swatting at a at, a punch atteck, you know, a a sweat at a strike attempt with your fingers spread like this Adaman's face. So in the end, I get you can be frustrated, but you're reacting in a way which suggests to the fans that there was some robbery, that there was some kind of injustice. I mean, Bisbing's lucky he didn't take them down right there. I'll just shoot the double leg if I'm bisbeing like, like, settle down.

If he's the hometown hero and he's the one that the crowd is there to see that they're going to respond to his mood swings to a certain level, and he sort of was insanely immature in the way he responded to that. Look, yeah, here, it was your fault that the fight, end of that way. It's random, it's bad luck, it's all that, But it's your fault. You're swatting at a at, a punch atteck, you know, a a sweat at a strike attempt with your fingers spread like this Adaman's face. So in the end, I get you can be frustrated, but you're reacting in a way which suggests to the fans that there was some robbery, that there was some kind of injustice. I mean, Bisbing's lucky he didn't take them down right there. I'll just shoot the double leg if I'm bisbeing like, like, settle down.

Some bisping unless you finish the bisping. After Ya just cursed at him. He didn't move a muscle. He stayed right in the pocket. My man best being knows what's up.

Some bisping unless you finish the bisping. After Ya just cursed at him. He didn't move a muscle. He stayed right in the pocket. My man best being knows what's up.

Well, one of the eyes doesn't work, so it was still.

Well, one of the eyes doesn't work, so it was still.

You had to go there, all right, But I'll say this about your year. I didn't think the way he handled in the cage was great. In fact, it was bad. It was straight up bad. And then cursing on Michael Bisping now again. If you let that video roll, you can see him explicitly say in English, I'm sorry, I just got it got out of control, and Michael's like, cool, no problem. I don't mind him reacting in the cage the way he reacted, because these fighters, dude, they are pumped up, they are in the zone, They're ready to go. I don't expect them to be rational. I don't expect them to be rational after they win or they lose, whether they've been concussed, whether they've not. They're dealing with so much chemical surging through their body and into their brain they're not going to say go here and things. A lot of the times, sometimes it happens on this set to keep going. It certainly does. It was afterwards. It was afterwards when he had a chance to sit down, calm down. He's like, well, he didn't outright accused Jeremy Stevens im lingering, but he went right up to that line. Dude, that's not a defensible position. It's not I know you're frustrated, but when it was. It was not the cage that bothered me. It was afterwards when he had a chance to calm down, and he still did it fully walk back any of that stuff or give any kind of indication that he had in any way aired.

You had to go there, all right, But I'll say this about your year. I didn't think the way he handled in the cage was great. In fact, it was bad. It was straight up bad. And then cursing on Michael Bisping now again. If you let that video roll, you can see him explicitly say in English, I'm sorry, I just got it got out of control, and Michael's like, cool, no problem. I don't mind him reacting in the cage the way he reacted, because these fighters, dude, they are pumped up, they are in the zone, They're ready to go. I don't expect them to be rational. I don't expect them to be rational after they win or they lose, whether they've been concussed, whether they've not. They're dealing with so much chemical surging through their body and into their brain they're not going to say go here and things. A lot of the times, sometimes it happens on this set to keep going. It certainly does. It was afterwards. It was afterwards when he had a chance to sit down, calm down. He's like, well, he didn't outright accused Jeremy Stevens im lingering, but he went right up to that line. Dude, that's not a defensible position. It's not I know you're frustrated, but when it was. It was not the cage that bothered me. It was afterwards when he had a chance to calm down, and he still did it fully walk back any of that stuff or give any kind of indication that he had in any way aired.

That was what got me.

That was what got me.

And it's a weird stretch because we're talking about heading into this fight. Well, yeahye finally realized his full star potential. Now you have sort of a weird fight added to a ten month layoff, added to a fight against Korean Zombie in which he was pretty much losing for a long while and got a miraculous victory, and then the loss to Edgar before that. It's been a long time since he's got the train back on the tracks and really regulated himself. But hey, by the way, shout out to Herb Dean. He had a run lately where people started going, maybe he's again, we'll wash he as arough?

And it's a weird stretch because we're talking about heading into this fight. Well, yeahye finally realized his full star potential. Now you have sort of a weird fight added to a ten month layoff, added to a fight against Korean Zombie in which he was pretty much losing for a long while and got a miraculous victory, and then the loss to Edgar before that. It's been a long time since he's got the train back on the tracks and really regulated himself. But hey, by the way, shout out to Herb Dean. He had a run lately where people started going, maybe he's again, we'll wash he as arough?

Is he if he's.

Is he if he's.

Losing his touch? No, he gave that fight every single opportunity. He controlled that cage, telling people where to go, telling doctors, no, you wait over there, Okay, we got this much time left. You never really see a referee step up in control situations. With that much, you know, I mean Mike bell Tram will control his facial hair really tighten that crap.

Losing his touch? No, he gave that fight every single opportunity. He controlled that cage, telling people where to go, telling doctors, no, you wait over there, Okay, we got this much time left. You never really see a referee step up in control situations. With that much, you know, I mean Mike bell Tram will control his facial hair really tighten that crap.

But outside of that, Dean's on the ball.

But outside of that, Dean's on the ball.

Anything else out of that car that stood out to you good, bad or in different great?

Anything else out of that car that stood out to you good, bad or in different great?

I love that card, I said, coming in there, we're a lot of really no, I'm gonna be serious with you.

I love that card, I said, coming in there, we're a lot of really no, I'm gonna be serious with you.

Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, there you go.

You bet you sound of a bet you over here? When you look at a card, you look at these in between these foreign fight night cards, right, we got one this weekend with Copenhagen that really, to be honest with you, doesn't move me like some of the guys doesn't move me. Mexico City is up and down though, like the storylines, like the potential for good fights. You look at that main card. Out of the five fights there, four gave us something really interesting to talk about. Three were really good fights, one involving a highlight reel knockout of the Year contender there from the OCHO Steven Peterson, can we run that over my shoulder right now? Counters a spinning back fist.

You bet you sound of a bet you over here? When you look at a card, you look at these in between these foreign fight night cards, right, we got one this weekend with Copenhagen that really, to be honest with you, doesn't move me like some of the guys doesn't move me. Mexico City is up and down though, like the storylines, like the potential for good fights. You look at that main card. Out of the five fights there, four gave us something really interesting to talk about. Three were really good fights, one involving a highlight reel knockout of the Year contender there from the OCHO Steven Peterson, can we run that over my shoulder right now? Counters a spinning back fist.

Well, he took this fight on late notice with.

Well, he took this fight on late notice with.

One of his own over Bravo, run this thing back here, this is pow wow wow.

One of his own over Bravo, run this thing back here, this is pow wow wow.

By the way, I look at the commitment to the Superman tattoos. Huh yeah, that's that's the real story here is well Superman got hands.

By the way, I look at the commitment to the Superman tattoos. Huh yeah, that's that's the real story here is well Superman got hands.

So you have this, and then Luke, you get a outstanding flyway fight between Moreno and Uharov and uh goes ends up being a draw back and forth. Really just great high level transitions. But you know a lot a lot of stuff going on the ground. And then you look at what I always talk about, women's flyway, Women's strawweights bring it. They bring it every single time. I like the crap out of that Asparsa Grosso fight. How did Asparsa not tap when her arm was mishitated against.

So you have this, and then Luke, you get a outstanding flyway fight between Moreno and Uharov and uh goes ends up being a draw back and forth. Really just great high level transitions. But you know a lot a lot of stuff going on the ground. And then you look at what I always talk about, women's flyway, Women's strawweights bring it. They bring it every single time. I like the crap out of that Asparsa Grosso fight. How did Asparsa not tap when her arm was mishitated against.

Give me a craple online?

Give me a craple online?

Because I had said, again, this is not a hill I am prepared to die on if I am wrong. I will happily say I'm wrong because I don't know exactly.

Because I had said, again, this is not a hill I am prepared to die on if I am wrong. I will happily say I'm wrong because I don't know exactly.

What the truth is.

What the truth is.

But the assumed wisdom in every gym I've ever been in is that two A degree women are more flexible because they have less lean muscle mass.

But the assumed wisdom in every gym I've ever been in is that two A degree women are more flexible because they have less lean muscle mass.

So you can talk about women's bodies on here we go, hold on what it takes.

So you can talk about women's bodies on here we go, hold on what it takes.

If you look at you look at I've seen mischitate and arm bars where they go well past the point of inflection. This was well past that and they don't tap. It's like, I'm not saying they didn't suffer any damage. Maybe she did, but all that there's not there's not heart involve. There's a lot of heart. I always assumed that was true.

If you look at you look at I've seen mischitate and arm bars where they go well past the point of inflection. This was well past that and they don't tap. It's like, I'm not saying they didn't suffer any damage. Maybe she did, but all that there's not there's not heart involve. There's a lot of heart. I always assumed that was true.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But people in line.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But people in line.

Were like, oh, this is this is this is bullshit. Biology is it seems seems like manifestly accurate.

Were like, oh, this is this is this is bullshit. Biology is it seems seems like manifestly accurate.

But okay, I might be wrong.

But okay, I might be wrong.

Don't body shame anyone. The whole one is. It's a joke. Heck of a fight though he was a battle main event. I came in there saying, I need to see this fight. I love this division. That fight delivered. You gotta love the heart of the spars at a rally, which is really.

Don't body shame anyone. The whole one is. It's a joke. Heck of a fight though he was a battle main event. I came in there saying, I need to see this fight. I love this division. That fight delivered. You gotta love the heart of the spars at a rally, which is really.

I said, how you score it?

I said, how you score it?

I had a sparsa just barely, but I totally can understand it. Going in the other draw, did you have a yeah, all right, we'll skip you. You love that card though it that doesn't speak to you. There's name Sergio Pettis gets to win. This is there some.

I had a sparsa just barely, but I totally can understand it. Going in the other draw, did you have a yeah, all right, we'll skip you. You love that card though it that doesn't speak to you. There's name Sergio Pettis gets to win. This is there some.

Possers look good.

Possers look good.

But no, not really. No, you won't speak to me. It's out of Signy Whitaker, which will get to a little bit later.

But no, not really. No, you won't speak to me. It's out of Signy Whitaker, which will get to a little bit later.

All right.

All right.

Secondly, you f C two forty four'st Presser is in the books. It took place at Pier seventeen, not too far from here, just across the water, right by the Brooklyn Bridge. It was interesting in so many ways. You had Horne Massletole coming up looking like Tony Montana, Nate Diaz in like a cheerful mood almost for Daz anyway, and the UFC really getting behind the presser in the way, and then this fight in a way that they haven't gotten behind before.

Secondly, you f C two forty four'st Presser is in the books. It took place at Pier seventeen, not too far from here, just across the water, right by the Brooklyn Bridge. It was interesting in so many ways. You had Horne Massletole coming up looking like Tony Montana, Nate Diaz in like a cheerful mood almost for Daz anyway, and the UFC really getting behind the presser in the way, and then this fight in a way that they haven't gotten behind before.

They had.

They had.

The rock apparent's gonna put the BMF belt. There's gonna be a BMF belt, but the Rock's gonna put it on the winner no matter what.

The rock apparent's gonna put the BMF belt. There's gonna be a BMF belt, but the Rock's gonna put it on the winner no matter what.

Yeh. The parental advisory, oh.

Yeh. The parental advisory, oh.

My god, the parental advisory so Masvedal versus Diaz, and the way it was the sign had structured just so brilliant they lean into it.

My god, the parental advisory so Masvedal versus Diaz, and the way it was the sign had structured just so brilliant they lean into it.

Let me ask you, though, Brian Camblell, you go first on this one.

Let me ask you, though, Brian Camblell, you go first on this one.

I'm not the fight we all know is going to be bonkers amazing, and it's by the way, they're gonna sell out MSG on a non title night amazing. And by the way, no one talks about this, the fact that it's non title UC two forty four freeze up a title to take place in the December fourteenth card, so they gonna have two or three title fights on that one.

I'm not the fight we all know is going to be bonkers amazing, and it's by the way, they're gonna sell out MSG on a non title night amazing. And by the way, no one talks about this, the fact that it's non title UC two forty four freeze up a title to take place in the December fourteenth card, so they gonna have two or three title fights on that one.

It's just right now.

It's just right now.

It just works.

It just works.

Is there enough rivalry when this fight? Like it felt like if you asked me, was that a great face off? It wasn't a great face off.

Is there enough rivalry when this fight? Like it felt like if you asked me, was that a great face off? It wasn't a great face off.

No.

No.

Everything about unfortunately this this presser, except for the settings, the acoustics, the visuals, the optics, was it's not a face but it was a worst case scenario for the potential of what it was. When you hear when we got the email saying, hey, be there in New York in person, that's one of those rare times where you're like, there's not going to be a fight, but I have the excitement level of a fight right, kind of like the Mayweather McGregor tour.

Everything about unfortunately this this presser, except for the settings, the acoustics, the visuals, the optics, was it's not a face but it was a worst case scenario for the potential of what it was. When you hear when we got the email saying, hey, be there in New York in person, that's one of those rare times where you're like, there's not going to be a fight, but I have the excitement level of a fight right, kind of like the Mayweather McGregor tour.

You can't argue the first two stops were hot fire.

You can't argue the first two stops were hot fire.

Money have to be there, have to see what is like performance are some econnor McGregor's have been that way. This gave you that feeling coming in that this could be special. These guys are finally getting their close up. But in the back of our brains when this fight was announced, when we were talking about would UFC make this fight, part of us cynically were like, you got two villains, two guys that, from a marketing standpoint, are perfect b sides, especially when you put them up against a corporate popular crossover fighter who might run his mouth a little McGregor as an example, where they can be the counter to that because they're so real that when they counter that, they come back even harder and stronger. And when you match them up together, will there be a storyline? Will somebody throw the first punch in the end? Luke, it didn't. In fact, it somewhat failed miserably in that regard. We got some good soundbites from mas Vidal he dressed and looked at the part DS two, But ultimately, Luke, unfortunately, that's not gonna affect how the fight plays out. I do think it affected the the upper ceiling potential of how this could have crossed over and where the buzz could be because I came out of there not nearly as excited again. The flight's gonna be great. I would love to be there, but I'm choosing Canelo Kovlev for different reasons to go to Vegas instead that weekend. But I think they failed. And I think if you're going to point at somebody, well, first of all, you're gonna point out whoever allowed that group of press to sit in front of that stage and whoever was passing around the microphone. Can we please get Tom Brady t Shirt Vegan guy to ask four more questions about we throw him. Look, I'm not saying like I've been to a lot of boxing and MA press events where you know, the lower third of the food chain will get the microphone and it happens, and that's just the way it is boxing. And it may seem to attract Joe's Boxing dot Com as a website, and guess what you can get to the majors quickly in this media business in a niche sport like this.

Money have to be there, have to see what is like performance are some econnor McGregor's have been that way. This gave you that feeling coming in that this could be special. These guys are finally getting their close up. But in the back of our brains when this fight was announced, when we were talking about would UFC make this fight, part of us cynically were like, you got two villains, two guys that, from a marketing standpoint, are perfect b sides, especially when you put them up against a corporate popular crossover fighter who might run his mouth a little McGregor as an example, where they can be the counter to that because they're so real that when they counter that, they come back even harder and stronger. And when you match them up together, will there be a storyline? Will somebody throw the first punch in the end? Luke, it didn't. In fact, it somewhat failed miserably in that regard. We got some good soundbites from mas Vidal he dressed and looked at the part DS two, But ultimately, Luke, unfortunately, that's not gonna affect how the fight plays out. I do think it affected the the upper ceiling potential of how this could have crossed over and where the buzz could be because I came out of there not nearly as excited again. The flight's gonna be great. I would love to be there, but I'm choosing Canelo Kovlev for different reasons to go to Vegas instead that weekend. But I think they failed. And I think if you're going to point at somebody, well, first of all, you're gonna point out whoever allowed that group of press to sit in front of that stage and whoever was passing around the microphone. Can we please get Tom Brady t Shirt Vegan guy to ask four more questions about we throw him. Look, I'm not saying like I've been to a lot of boxing and MA press events where you know, the lower third of the food chain will get the microphone and it happens, and that's just the way it is boxing. And it may seem to attract Joe's Boxing dot Com as a website, and guess what you can get to the majors quickly in this media business in a niche sport like this.

But where where the hell was John Morgan?

But where where the hell was John Morgan?

We never needed him so badly to just bring it back to asking normal questions. We were going to this radio Joe and this guy that is side Luke. I think the guy who failed in the end was Jorge masmital. It's me putting a lot of pressure on him, but only from a marketing standpoint, from the standpoint of two personalities bringing them together and almost giving a pro wrestling light type. This is why, if you're a crossover casual fan that really doesn't understand the background, why you should buy it. I think it was on mos been able to step up and really bring an a plus performance from a belligerent Mike running, get in Dieza's face and put out a statement of violence. Now, look, he didn't fail in the dress. He didn't fail going to Sports Center or ESPN's get up. I mean he brought it. He killed it on LeBatard. He brought it from that standpoint. But that face off matters to people. There's currency in that. And Nate at this point is in this pecurious spot where he's like the longtime villain B side who's kind of crossing over into a side, not company man, but the company finally understanding who he is and his value. I think it was on Mozvidal, the newcomer, to step in not create a fake fight where there is not you know, because there's a lot of respect between them but get in his face at the very least and show that intensity that in the garden that night, it's going to be mayhem. And I don't think he spelled that out enough. I know you're getting into that great territory because what I don't want UFC to do is sit these two guys down backstage and go, okay, guys, we got to hamp it up a little. Okay, is you mind pushing each other? No, we never want any of that crap. But I think for Mozvidal, who's so smart. I mean, I've done the interviews with Mazda. I'm sure you have back when people weren't even talking about his fights, where I'm like, oh my god, if we had a camera, if we had a TV camera here, this could have crossed over, this could have been viral. He always brings it, and this was a time I get that there wasn't somebody agitating him, but he needed to step into that crossover mode and say I am the guy now, I could be your next McGregor UFC. So to do that sometimes you have to own the moment. I don't think he owned that moment enough.

We never needed him so badly to just bring it back to asking normal questions. We were going to this radio Joe and this guy that is side Luke. I think the guy who failed in the end was Jorge masmital. It's me putting a lot of pressure on him, but only from a marketing standpoint, from the standpoint of two personalities bringing them together and almost giving a pro wrestling light type. This is why, if you're a crossover casual fan that really doesn't understand the background, why you should buy it. I think it was on mos been able to step up and really bring an a plus performance from a belligerent Mike running, get in Dieza's face and put out a statement of violence. Now, look, he didn't fail in the dress. He didn't fail going to Sports Center or ESPN's get up. I mean he brought it. He killed it on LeBatard. He brought it from that standpoint. But that face off matters to people. There's currency in that. And Nate at this point is in this pecurious spot where he's like the longtime villain B side who's kind of crossing over into a side, not company man, but the company finally understanding who he is and his value. I think it was on Mozvidal, the newcomer, to step in not create a fake fight where there is not you know, because there's a lot of respect between them but get in his face at the very least and show that intensity that in the garden that night, it's going to be mayhem. And I don't think he spelled that out enough. I know you're getting into that great territory because what I don't want UFC to do is sit these two guys down backstage and go, okay, guys, we got to hamp it up a little. Okay, is you mind pushing each other? No, we never want any of that crap. But I think for Mozvidal, who's so smart. I mean, I've done the interviews with Mazda. I'm sure you have back when people weren't even talking about his fights, where I'm like, oh my god, if we had a camera, if we had a TV camera here, this could have crossed over, this could have been viral. He always brings it, and this was a time I get that there wasn't somebody agitating him, but he needed to step into that crossover mode and say I am the guy now, I could be your next McGregor UFC. So to do that sometimes you have to own the moment. I don't think he owned that moment enough.

I would I think you're being a little hot I think you're generally got the right note here, but you're a little bit off.

I would I think you're being a little hot I think you're generally got the right note here, but you're a little bit off.

I would say this. The vibe I get is, I don't know you've ever seen you ever seen Big Trouble and little Right? Great? Yes, great movie.

I would say this. The vibe I get is, I don't know you've ever seen you ever seen Big Trouble and little Right? Great? Yes, great movie.

Remember you had the guys who were in the one gang that had the black and the red, and then the one game with the black and the yellow. It's like they all just came together versus being a part. It's like the Crips and the Bloods after they signed their truce. Well, there's no war there. You're promising us war. It's in this weird space where it's almost like Diaz and Masvidol have signed a pact to work together, not to like stick it to UFC, but almost like stick it to the game. The game's been sticking it to them for so long. Hey, guys, let's work together. Let's make a bunch of money together. They're almost happy to be in each other's company, not really because game recognized game, but because guys like, we're finally getting our moment. We're finally they're putting parental advisory stickers up for us. Look as right next to the Brooklyn Bridge, this is what we've always wanted. And I'm happy for him. I'm legitimately happy for him. And like you, if Dinner White was back to being like all right, I need some pushing, I need some shoving, it would lose everything. At the other hand, estimately, what could they have done differently. Here's a small thing that could have done differently, getting each other's face in the face off. Give us a moment where we can see two gangs the radiating energy off of one another in where we're like, oh man, there's gonna be war on November two.

Remember you had the guys who were in the one gang that had the black and the red, and then the one game with the black and the yellow. It's like they all just came together versus being a part. It's like the Crips and the Bloods after they signed their truce. Well, there's no war there. You're promising us war. It's in this weird space where it's almost like Diaz and Masvidol have signed a pact to work together, not to like stick it to UFC, but almost like stick it to the game. The game's been sticking it to them for so long. Hey, guys, let's work together. Let's make a bunch of money together. They're almost happy to be in each other's company, not really because game recognized game, but because guys like, we're finally getting our moment. We're finally they're putting parental advisory stickers up for us. Look as right next to the Brooklyn Bridge, this is what we've always wanted. And I'm happy for him. I'm legitimately happy for him. And like you, if Dinner White was back to being like all right, I need some pushing, I need some shoving, it would lose everything. At the other hand, estimately, what could they have done differently. Here's a small thing that could have done differently, getting each other's face in the face off. Give us a moment where we can see two gangs the radiating energy off of one another in where we're like, oh man, there's gonna be war on November two.

They didn't do that.

They didn't do that.

They have so much it's like again, it's like it's like the Cold War is over, Dayton no longer relevant. I need something where the tensions are ratcheted up, not in a personal way, but in a competitive way. You know what, jorgem masvio All has to offer everything.

They have so much it's like again, it's like it's like the Cold War is over, Dayton no longer relevant. I need something where the tensions are ratcheted up, not in a personal way, but in a competitive way. You know what, jorgem masvio All has to offer everything.

I like the one liner, like you know, I'm gonna baptize people, all that stuff, but you have to go up to that line. You can still respect Nate Diaz, but go up to that line and say, look, look, I respect you, bro, but motherfucker, I'm gonna kick your ass.

I like the one liner, like you know, I'm gonna baptize people, all that stuff, but you have to go up to that line. You can still respect Nate Diaz, but go up to that line and say, look, look, I respect you, bro, but motherfucker, I'm gonna kick your ass.

And here's the other part. Nate Diaz is finally the a side. As you mentioned.

And here's the other part. Nate Diaz is finally the a side. As you mentioned.

Here's how you know he's in a different space because this guy who has no brain, he just has gangla bobbing at the end of his spine, asked him.

Here's how you know he's in a different space because this guy who has no brain, he just has gangla bobbing at the end of his spine, asked him.

A question, Hey, how can you be a man if you're vegan?

A question, Hey, how can you be a man if you're vegan?

I mean, please behead This person robes Pierre style, but neither here nor there. How did Diaz handle it?

I mean, please behead This person robes Pierre style, but neither here nor there. How did Diaz handle it?

You know what he said?

You know what he said?

He laughed?

He laughed?

He laughed.

He laughed.

He After there was a long pause because they okay, hear the crowd, O.

He After there was a long pause because they okay, hear the crowd, O.

You know what I'm just saying. There's some technical difficulties.

You know what I'm just saying. There's some technical difficulties.

There, but I understand the point.

There, but I understand the point.

The point is an on edge Nick Diaz would to choot his head off, Yes, and on edge Nate Diaz would choot his head off. But he's getting paid. He's on the marquee. They're almost a little too happy. I need him to be not angry. I need him to have a little bit of edge in a in a non forced but palatable way. I think that part is still missing.

The point is an on edge Nick Diaz would to choot his head off, Yes, and on edge Nate Diaz would choot his head off. But he's getting paid. He's on the marquee. They're almost a little too happy. I need him to be not angry. I need him to have a little bit of edge in a in a non forced but palatable way. I think that part is still missing.

You got to give you FC credit that backdrop. And I'm not really into this. So they did them sort of you know, critiquing this. It was big time. I mean that felt like a top shelf McGregor situation.

You got to give you FC credit that backdrop. And I'm not really into this. So they did them sort of you know, critiquing this. It was big time. I mean that felt like a top shelf McGregor situation.

And that's why DZ is so happy. He's like, I think this is what I've always wanted. Jorge Maslol's like I finally hit the lottery after sixteen years.

And that's why DZ is so happy. He's like, I think this is what I've always wanted. Jorge Maslol's like I finally hit the lottery after sixteen years.

Fellas. We know you're happy. We need you to be a little bit less happy, you know what I'm saying.

Fellas. We know you're happy. We need you to be a little bit less happy, you know what I'm saying.

Shout out to a friend of the family, Phoenix Carnival, for being the journalistic heartbeat of that.

Shout out to a friend of the family, Phoenix Carnival, for being the journalistic heartbeat of that.

Also, Mark Lamonica. Mark Lamonica asked a question as well, and uh, yeah, when there was a bunch of Jabroni's there and it was don Toberfest, Yeah it was doctor, It was donked Overfest for real?

Also, Mark Lamonica. Mark Lamonica asked a question as well, and uh, yeah, when there was a bunch of Jabroni's there and it was don Toberfest, Yeah it was doctor, It was donked Overfest for real?

All right? That takes us too.

All right? That takes us too.

By the way, how hot is the bomb shelter today? You feeling this? You got the drip going on.

By the way, how hot is the bomb shelter today? You feeling this? You got the drip going on.

Right now, not as bad as you, which is surprizing. You are really struggling over there. Okayuddy, man, keep rubbing your face, No one notices. Let's get to it.

Right now, not as bad as you, which is surprizing. You are really struggling over there. Okayuddy, man, keep rubbing your face, No one notices. Let's get to it.

So upcoming. I mean, I just have to throw this right to you. Spence, He's going to be back in action, is he not?

So upcoming. I mean, I just have to throw this right to you. Spence, He's going to be back in action, is he not?

All right? So the big boxing event.

All right? So the big boxing event.

This weekend, Spence versus Porter, my manitorer here, Brian Campbell has been all over it, Broble. Let's go right back to you on this one as well. Spence versus Porter. Now, a lot of MMA fans here names.

This weekend, Spence versus Porter, my manitorer here, Brian Campbell has been all over it, Broble. Let's go right back to you on this one as well. Spence versus Porter. Now, a lot of MMA fans here names.

Like Bud Crawford.

Like Bud Crawford.

That's a big name, or they hear names likely no Canelo, but they here's some other ones that are coming up, maybe even a Gary Russell junior.

That's a big name, or they hear names likely no Canelo, but they here's some other ones that are coming up, maybe even a Gary Russell junior.

It in their way. How about Javonte Davis. We were at his fight as well.

It in their way. How about Javonte Davis. We were at his fight as well.

Okay, but Spence is one that folks should know and probably have known more recently given some of his accolades taking on Sean Porter.

Okay, but Spence is one that folks should know and probably have known more recently given some of his accolades taking on Sean Porter.

What is this fight about? Why is it so important? What should fans understand?

What is this fight about? Why is it so important? What should fans understand?

In theory, it's a welterweight title unification about both guys are champions. And then look, here's how the welterweight division is the glamour division of the sport. It's carried the boxing in the last two decades when heavyweight has lined or more than await, oh certainly more than middleway for historically, you know, over the last two decades, really from the help from No. Two decades from the end of the heavyweight era of Lennox Lewis and Tyson. In the nineties you had that group of the De la Hoya Trinidad Moseley walter waights that handed over to the Mayweather Pacquiao era.

In theory, it's a welterweight title unification about both guys are champions. And then look, here's how the welterweight division is the glamour division of the sport. It's carried the boxing in the last two decades when heavyweight has lined or more than await, oh certainly more than middleway for historically, you know, over the last two decades, really from the help from No. Two decades from the end of the heavyweight era of Lennox Lewis and Tyson. In the nineties you had that group of the De la Hoya Trinidad Moseley walter waights that handed over to the Mayweather Pacquiao era.

They've become the stars.

They've become the stars.

It's sort of the perfect weight class of mixing the speed of the lower weight classes with sort of guys who just understand the spotlight and have you know, the power, and you can get great fighters there. We have two champions coming together. But as we know, as the walterweights, it's historically deep. Right now, you've got big names. Terrence Bud Crawford might be the best of them all, but he's with top breaking ESPN. We don't know. We think eventually we can get a crossover fight with him against the winner of the PBC bracket if you will, Well, this is almost a semi final in the PBC bracket. Pacio just defeated Thurman on one side. Now you get Spence Porters. What's at stake really becoming the leader of the walterweight division. If you have two of the four recognized titles, you can become the guy in the driver's seat and you could get Pakiow later that you know, later this year, next year. In terms of really becoming the PBC side of it champion, then maybe we can build long term toward Crawford. But even deeper than that, Luke, We're at a really interesting spot in boxing right now. You know the term pomt for pound king. People have passed the baton. You know, the Roy Jones is to pack you out to Floyd Mayweather, to Andre Ward for a brief season, Roman Chocolate, Tito Gonzalez. But right now we have a rare time where there's almost five or six guys really six on my count, who have a legitimate claim for pomp for pund number one at boxing. When was the last time in either combat sport you really had you always have one guy who's the king, or maybe two guys that you're fifty to fifty debating. We've got like six.

It's sort of the perfect weight class of mixing the speed of the lower weight classes with sort of guys who just understand the spotlight and have you know, the power, and you can get great fighters there. We have two champions coming together. But as we know, as the walterweights, it's historically deep. Right now, you've got big names. Terrence Bud Crawford might be the best of them all, but he's with top breaking ESPN. We don't know. We think eventually we can get a crossover fight with him against the winner of the PBC bracket if you will, Well, this is almost a semi final in the PBC bracket. Pacio just defeated Thurman on one side. Now you get Spence Porters. What's at stake really becoming the leader of the walterweight division. If you have two of the four recognized titles, you can become the guy in the driver's seat and you could get Pakiow later that you know, later this year, next year. In terms of really becoming the PBC side of it champion, then maybe we can build long term toward Crawford. But even deeper than that, Luke, We're at a really interesting spot in boxing right now. You know the term pomt for pound king. People have passed the baton. You know, the Roy Jones is to pack you out to Floyd Mayweather, to Andre Ward for a brief season, Roman Chocolate, Tito Gonzalez. But right now we have a rare time where there's almost five or six guys really six on my count, who have a legitimate claim for pomp for pund number one at boxing. When was the last time in either combat sport you really had you always have one guy who's the king, or maybe two guys that you're fifty to fifty debating. We've got like six.

Right now, and what we haven't had yet is one out of that group.

Right now, and what we haven't had yet is one out of that group.

Really you can argue Lomachenko and he's number one on my list, but one out of that group really pushing the others inside and saying I am, without question the best fighter in the sport. This is Spence's moment. He was the boogeyman of the Walter Waite.

Really you can argue Lomachenko and he's number one on my list, but one out of that group really pushing the others inside and saying I am, without question the best fighter in the sport. This is Spence's moment. He was the boogeyman of the Walter Waite.

To Jas meeting Sean Porter is the standout moment for you.

To Jas meeting Sean Porter is the standout moment for you.

Here's why.

Here's why.

Okay, he was, I get the titles on the line.

Okay, he was, I get the titles on the line.

I take Porter seriously. It's not clear to me how that's your number one pound for pound moment.

I take Porter seriously. It's not clear to me how that's your number one pound for pound moment.

People have avoided Spence. He's in the PBC bracket which has all the big names, yet no one has gone out of their way to try to fight him. Right, he had to go to England and become the mandatory to beat kell Brook in a great fight that went back and forth in which he stopped him and broke his eye. From there, he stayed busy and fought like the Lamont Peterson, aggressive, hungry types. But the big names have stayed away from him. He got lucky that Mikey Garcio had a ball bag that big was really willing to move up two wake divisions. He's finally fighting an elite guy in Sean Porter, on the highest level, and if he can cut through him the way that Aero Spence is saying that he will, and the way that odds makers for such a great fight on paper are really installing Spence as a monster favorite here he has that chance. Maybe you argue, even if he blow sportter away in three rounds. He's not your pomp for pound king, but this is his first chance to really make that statement in my eyes that I'm the best fighter in the world. I'm separate from Crawford, I'm separate from Momachenko, Canelo, Alexander Usik. You know these other guys right around the Monster a new way in Japan. There's a strong group of guys right now. This gives Spence that opportunity. This gives him a chance to maybe really enter into a third straight paper view fight against Pacio and really become the star in the sport, not just ability wise, but crossover wise. There was a reason why Mayweather put his arm around Spence a couple of years ago and really was like, this guy has next. There's an old sparring story, by the way, when Spence was still an amateur.

People have avoided Spence. He's in the PBC bracket which has all the big names, yet no one has gone out of their way to try to fight him. Right, he had to go to England and become the mandatory to beat kell Brook in a great fight that went back and forth in which he stopped him and broke his eye. From there, he stayed busy and fought like the Lamont Peterson, aggressive, hungry types. But the big names have stayed away from him. He got lucky that Mikey Garcio had a ball bag that big was really willing to move up two wake divisions. He's finally fighting an elite guy in Sean Porter, on the highest level, and if he can cut through him the way that Aero Spence is saying that he will, and the way that odds makers for such a great fight on paper are really installing Spence as a monster favorite here he has that chance. Maybe you argue, even if he blow sportter away in three rounds. He's not your pomp for pound king, but this is his first chance to really make that statement in my eyes that I'm the best fighter in the world. I'm separate from Crawford, I'm separate from Momachenko, Canelo, Alexander Usik. You know these other guys right around the Monster a new way in Japan. There's a strong group of guys right now. This gives Spence that opportunity. This gives him a chance to maybe really enter into a third straight paper view fight against Pacio and really become the star in the sport, not just ability wise, but crossover wise. There was a reason why Mayweather put his arm around Spence a couple of years ago and really was like, this guy has next. There's an old sparring story, by the way, when Spence was still an amateur.

Came out of jail in twenty twelve.

Came out of jail in twenty twelve.

He's getting ready, he's not in shape, and Spence gave it to him and Mayweather told Spence get out of the ring, and he stood and said no, no, We're going more. And that was sort of the moment where people that word got around that this guy is for real. He's done nothing wrong up to this point. And I don't know if you followed the back and forth here, but Spence from day one that this fight was announced was like, Okay, I respect you, we're friends, but I'm gonna knock your ass out. And that's what we want and need out of an American star who says I got next.