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It is October twenty eighth, a Monday, twenty nineteen, and it is time for Morning Combat. Hello everybody, my name is Luke Thomas, joined by my co host Brian Campbell from CBS Sports.

It is October twenty eighth, a Monday, twenty nineteen, and it is time for Morning Combat. Hello everybody, my name is Luke Thomas, joined by my co host Brian Campbell from CBS Sports.

We're back.

We're back.

We're back, I back, I back everyone.

We're back, I back, I back everyone.

Trust me. We're back with a bang, back with another one of those block rocking beats, and back from Bogata. Brother, what do you got any contraband for us? What's going on?

Trust me. We're back with a bang, back with another one of those block rocking beats, and back from Bogata. Brother, what do you got any contraband for us? What's going on?

I don't know why you're so racist towards Colombians, but you are, in fact the white devil, not not the cocaine you. Oh wow, did you miss me?

I don't know why you're so racist towards Colombians, but you are, in fact the white devil, not not the cocaine you. Oh wow, did you miss me?

I did. Although Chuck is becoming a people love Chuck. I mean his que rating is through the roof, but uh, he slept over the night before and the bombs shelter. He's like part of the family.

I did. Although Chuck is becoming a people love Chuck. I mean his que rating is through the roof, but uh, he slept over the night before and the bombs shelter. He's like part of the family.

He certainly is a lot to get to. We got let's see you're what are you flying to Las Vegas?

He certainly is a lot to get to. We got let's see you're what are you flying to Las Vegas?

That will be Wednesday.

That will be Wednesday.

Wednesday, so you're gonna be out there for Canila Coble. We're gonna talk about that today. The BMF title.

Wednesday, so you're gonna be out there for Canila Coble. We're gonna talk about that today. The BMF title.

Got a little dicey last week, but it's so long, we're gonna get you ready for you. This carl almost became a fight night and I hurry wow.

Got a little dicey last week, but it's so long, we're gonna get you ready for you. This carl almost became a fight night and I hurry wow.

But we'll talk about that in just a second as well, plus everything else that happened over the weekend, So let's get right into it.

But we'll talk about that in just a second as well, plus everything else that happened over the weekend, So let's get right into it.

Well, no, no, we're not gonna break down the vacation.

Well, no, no, we're not gonna break down the vacation.

We're not gonna What do you want to know?

We're not gonna What do you want to know?

What did you do?

What did you do?

What did I do? Here's what I'll be honest about it.

What did I do? Here's what I'll be honest about it.

Machu Pichu, what do you got for that? That's Peru? Racist, all right? You kill a soccer player? What did you do?

Machu Pichu, what do you got for that? That's Peru? Racist, all right? You kill a soccer player? What did you do?

That is Colombia. But that was twenty years ago. It's a nice place. We went to Bogata for a few days because my wife is from there, and then we went to call up to Hennah And and that's the beach. So it was cold and hot and it was cool. But the thing is we vacationed with our daughter for the first time. She's six months.

That is Colombia. But that was twenty years ago. It's a nice place. We went to Bogata for a few days because my wife is from there, and then we went to call up to Hennah And and that's the beach. So it was cold and hot and it was cool. But the thing is we vacationed with our daughter for the first time. She's six months.

Dude, you can't it's not really vacation. No, I give anybody that's that's that brave.

Dude, you can't it's not really vacation. No, I give anybody that's that's that brave.

You can't you can't like because you can't go out a night like you gotta be there with the kids.

You can't you can't like because you can't go out a night like you gotta be there with the kids.

I'm sure it's beautiful. I saw a lot of mountains in your pictures. Yeah. When I think Columbia, though, I think coffee and cocaina. Is there there's an in between those.

I'm sure it's beautiful. I saw a lot of mountains in your pictures. Yeah. When I think Columbia, though, I think coffee and cocaina. Is there there's an in between those.

Coin is not a word coaina, No it's not.

Coin is not a word coaina, No it's not.

I'm more from the coast.

I'm more from the coast.

I'm card you got that, you got that costagno accent. No, it's cool. The coffee was great, foods amazing. People are super super friendly. But it was a little it was and also the altitude sickness like kind of messed my daughter up a little bit for the But the beach, that beach life, that piecina life, to play a life. She was all about it. So was cool. In the end, I suppose not to be back.

I'm card you got that, you got that costagno accent. No, it's cool. The coffee was great, foods amazing. People are super super friendly. But it was a little it was and also the altitude sickness like kind of messed my daughter up a little bit for the But the beach, that beach life, that piecina life, to play a life. She was all about it. So was cool. In the end, I suppose not to be back.

Actually, yeah, well the vacation's over. You want to talk anti doping, you want to go.

Actually, yeah, well the vacation's over. You want to talk anti doping, you want to go.

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Chinese language or the jump sorry, the Japanese letters on there.

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So at any event you saw the code up there, go get go get some merch for UFC two forty four. Okay, speaking of which, over the last week, boy, what do you want to say? It came dangerously close to going away. But the BMF title will still be up for grabs on Saturday Madison Square Garden when a DS does in fact take on Jorge Masitoll. But but but he came close to not doing that, putting out a message on Twitter certainly social media, saying he had tested positive for elevated levels. He was told, in his words, to keep quiet. We come to find out it was not provisionally suspended because if USADA has just unilaterally decided to rewrite their rules along with the UFC. But in any event, he essentially strong armed Yousa to and the UFC to come out and exonerate him, which they did. Now, Campbell, ordinarily I like to go first on our a topics or one a time.

So at any event you saw the code up there, go get go get some merch for UFC two forty four. Okay, speaking of which, over the last week, boy, what do you want to say? It came dangerously close to going away. But the BMF title will still be up for grabs on Saturday Madison Square Garden when a DS does in fact take on Jorge Masitoll. But but but he came close to not doing that, putting out a message on Twitter certainly social media, saying he had tested positive for elevated levels. He was told, in his words, to keep quiet. We come to find out it was not provisionally suspended because if USADA has just unilaterally decided to rewrite their rules along with the UFC. But in any event, he essentially strong armed Yousa to and the UFC to come out and exonerate him, which they did. Now, Campbell, ordinarily I like to go first on our a topics or one a time.

I think the people are waiting with baited breath to hear you just splatter now, no splatter anti doping hate like somebody spell this time and people think I'm against anti doping. I'm not.

I think the people are waiting with baited breath to hear you just splatter now, no splatter anti doping hate like somebody spell this time and people think I'm against anti doping. I'm not.

I'm against you saw it. There's a big difference. But why don't you go first on this one? What was your big takeaway from everything that happened with Nate Diz First thing, he didn't want to fight. Then them coming out and say we have these new rules and the fight still on, So I guess fans should be happy.

I'm against you saw it. There's a big difference. But why don't you go first on this one? What was your big takeaway from everything that happened with Nate Diz First thing, he didn't want to fight. Then them coming out and say we have these new rules and the fight still on, So I guess fans should be happy.

What do you think I came out of here as just another sort of zapping my confidence that you Sawa is a credible body to handle antidoping on this level across the board with UFC when it seems like special treatment is given to the higher name fighters. Did I want this fight card to fall apart? No? Did it seem a little sketchy when Natie is going out of his way to try to clear his own name and saying, no, I will not do what you told me to do, which is which has gone and fight and forget this happened and we'll figure it out after. So my big question before we even get into what this says about, Yesada, who's right? Who's wrong? All that? If Nate didn't say anything, would he have thought would he have potentially one and been cleared without any of us knowing that? If that's the case, I have got a problem with that. Why there's an extreme lack of transparency in there that in my eyes, in the way they handle it seems like rules are just changed out of nowhere. It seems like, like I mentioned the bigger name guys, I mean the handling of John Jones, as you know over the last year seems unprecedented. The moving the card during Christmas Week from Vegas to la is just bizarre and ridiculous. And then the whole idea of like, well, look, he keeps pulsing for this. We don't really know how and why, but scientifically we got to tell you it's not helping him at all to just be able to stand on that ledge for a fighter of his stature and just be like, yeah, nothing to see here, everything's fine. That shows me, uh, there's no one driving the driving the ship right here. And I know that there's a sort of follow up for some people. You saw Kevin Ioli of Yahoo had a column saying like, look, everybody, this Nate Diaz situation proves that Yousada's got it figured out. It proves that they're ahead of the game. On Antioping, I don't think it proves that at all. I think it proves that it's just another situation where either they're gonna they're too harsh, or they're not harsh enough, or sometimes they're just throwing the balls in there and saying, hey, this looks good to us. We're just gonna roll with it, or there's other times where you don't know information that's happening until after the fact. It seems like a big s show to me and anybody who comes from the boxing side like I do and has seen you sada's bad reputation on that side before they even joined forces with UFC to see credible boxing. Journalists and author Thomas Houser last year come out with that long expos saying, look, in nine years, there's been fifteen hundred tests done in boxing by USADA, and they've caught one person Eric Morales twenty twelve, one person in fifteen hundred tests. One person, one person, one friggin person, Luke.

What do you think I came out of here as just another sort of zapping my confidence that you Sawa is a credible body to handle antidoping on this level across the board with UFC when it seems like special treatment is given to the higher name fighters. Did I want this fight card to fall apart? No? Did it seem a little sketchy when Natie is going out of his way to try to clear his own name and saying, no, I will not do what you told me to do, which is which has gone and fight and forget this happened and we'll figure it out after. So my big question before we even get into what this says about, Yesada, who's right? Who's wrong? All that? If Nate didn't say anything, would he have thought would he have potentially one and been cleared without any of us knowing that? If that's the case, I have got a problem with that. Why there's an extreme lack of transparency in there that in my eyes, in the way they handle it seems like rules are just changed out of nowhere. It seems like, like I mentioned the bigger name guys, I mean the handling of John Jones, as you know over the last year seems unprecedented. The moving the card during Christmas Week from Vegas to la is just bizarre and ridiculous. And then the whole idea of like, well, look, he keeps pulsing for this. We don't really know how and why, but scientifically we got to tell you it's not helping him at all to just be able to stand on that ledge for a fighter of his stature and just be like, yeah, nothing to see here, everything's fine. That shows me, uh, there's no one driving the driving the ship right here. And I know that there's a sort of follow up for some people. You saw Kevin Ioli of Yahoo had a column saying like, look, everybody, this Nate Diaz situation proves that Yousada's got it figured out. It proves that they're ahead of the game. On Antioping, I don't think it proves that at all. I think it proves that it's just another situation where either they're gonna they're too harsh, or they're not harsh enough, or sometimes they're just throwing the balls in there and saying, hey, this looks good to us. We're just gonna roll with it, or there's other times where you don't know information that's happening until after the fact. It seems like a big s show to me and anybody who comes from the boxing side like I do and has seen you sada's bad reputation on that side before they even joined forces with UFC to see credible boxing. Journalists and author Thomas Houser last year come out with that long expos saying, look, in nine years, there's been fifteen hundred tests done in boxing by USADA, and they've caught one person Eric Morales twenty twelve, one person in fifteen hundred tests. One person, one person, one friggin person, Luke.

With a retroactive TIU for Floyd maywe one person.

With a retroactive TIU for Floyd maywe one person.

I don't know if you're understanding the words coming out of my mouth. One person fifteen hundred, how many one? Right, you guys, I've gotten a y cleft right now. One time, one person in fifteen hundred tests. And yet we're supposed to believe on the flip side that when they're finding tiny little peagograms that everything's all good. You can't have it all like you can't be you can't have two completely different reputations at one time and then have people writing columns saying this is the most you know, credible body in the world test testing people.

I don't know if you're understanding the words coming out of my mouth. One person fifteen hundred, how many one? Right, you guys, I've gotten a y cleft right now. One time, one person in fifteen hundred tests. And yet we're supposed to believe on the flip side that when they're finding tiny little peagograms that everything's all good. You can't have it all like you can't be you can't have two completely different reputations at one time and then have people writing columns saying this is the most you know, credible body in the world test testing people.

Yeah, I mean I have a lot of thoughts about this. I mean the whole thing to me, like if the only real lesson to observe from this entire situation is that I told you so, I told you so. Pop quiz, just give me your honest assessment.

Yeah, I mean I have a lot of thoughts about this. I mean the whole thing to me, like if the only real lesson to observe from this entire situation is that I told you so, I told you so. Pop quiz, just give me your honest assessment.

Do you do you really? Do you really think that TJ.

Do you do you really? Do you really think that TJ.

Delashaw is the only person who either A takes EPO or B took EPO in.

Delashaw is the only person who either A takes EPO or B took EPO in.

The last four years? Absolutely not right, Okay, I mean that's just I mean a pop quiz of a snapshot of combat sports in the last decade where we're saying more and more guys over thirty five who are getting quicker and bigger and stronger and faster and all these things. And it's not they're training year round. I get that compared to the fifties when guys are smoking cigarettes between fights and getting fat. I mean, we got to wake up to what's going on here. So I have to ask you you want some form of antioping, right, yes, okay? So would you rather which way? Would you rather have it, because we seem to be getting both from you, Usada. Would you rather have where everything is showing up on the screen or only when someone is obviously doing it wrong and badly attempting to try to break the system. And then they get in trouble because I want I want them to be black and white. I don't want.

The last four years? Absolutely not right, Okay, I mean that's just I mean a pop quiz of a snapshot of combat sports in the last decade where we're saying more and more guys over thirty five who are getting quicker and bigger and stronger and faster and all these things. And it's not they're training year round. I get that compared to the fifties when guys are smoking cigarettes between fights and getting fat. I mean, we got to wake up to what's going on here. So I have to ask you you want some form of antioping, right, yes, okay? So would you rather which way? Would you rather have it, because we seem to be getting both from you, Usada. Would you rather have where everything is showing up on the screen or only when someone is obviously doing it wrong and badly attempting to try to break the system. And then they get in trouble because I want I want them to be black and white. I don't want.

Well, you're never going to get that right, which is the problem of antidoping. They want to tell you that we can get a black and white world, and they can't. Here's what's really what was stunning about the entire thing people have. Okay, here's the first problem, and this is what I keep telling everybody. And I don't understand what this argument. You could say I'm wrong about a lot of things, on this one, I'm not. I'm just not. They are Yusada. They are no more allowed to have a seat at the table than rebok. I don't understand why people seem to be resist to this argument. Let me see if I can understand this. They pass themselves off as fighter friendly. We're here to really service the fighters. They suggest that what they do is in service of a larger purpose, but individualized towards those the rights of clean athletes, They say, Brian Campbell, how on earth do you secure the rights of clean athletes if you overrun the rights of all athletes generally, if you don't allow the fighters to have a seat at the table, which, by the way, VADA, the Voluntary Antidoping Association does they do not run into this problem.

Well, you're never going to get that right, which is the problem of antidoping. They want to tell you that we can get a black and white world, and they can't. Here's what's really what was stunning about the entire thing people have. Okay, here's the first problem, and this is what I keep telling everybody. And I don't understand what this argument. You could say I'm wrong about a lot of things, on this one, I'm not. I'm just not. They are Yusada. They are no more allowed to have a seat at the table than rebok. I don't understand why people seem to be resist to this argument. Let me see if I can understand this. They pass themselves off as fighter friendly. We're here to really service the fighters. They suggest that what they do is in service of a larger purpose, but individualized towards those the rights of clean athletes, They say, Brian Campbell, how on earth do you secure the rights of clean athletes if you overrun the rights of all athletes generally, if you don't allow the fighters to have a seat at the table, which, by the way, VADA, the Voluntary Antidoping Association does they do not run into this problem.

OHVADA, by the way, is reportedly cheaper than you SAA. Another people are going out of their way to use YOUSADA, which is telling you something, Luke.

OHVADA, by the way, is reportedly cheaper than you SAA. Another people are going out of their way to use YOUSADA, which is telling you something, Luke.

Hold on, understand something. And I said this on my own personal YouTube channel, which is the fighters seem to be under this impression that YOUSADA is on their side, that they're the buddy organization. And you see those videos that you SAWA tweets out, these like dear leader videos like I'm so glad you saw ITAs here. Meanwhile, they're catching G and C users and then people coming off the regional scene who have no money to cheat very well. Everyone who's got money to cheat and get designer stuff, they all seed to be doing just fine. The whole point is this, dude, and I know this for a fact, USADA exists to serve the shield. They serve the only master that pays them, which is the UFC, which is in the event of crises exactly, God forbid, the UFC can say, hey, look we did the most antidoping we possibly could. We have the most aggressive kind. It'll secure us from some kind of potential fallout, will wake up fighters. This is what yousada is. They are enablers of monopolists. They are not your hold on, let me finish. They are not your friends. They are not concerned with your well being. Ask Tom Lawler, Ask Josh Barnett, ask Ten king Yo, ask Neil Magney, ask any.

Hold on, understand something. And I said this on my own personal YouTube channel, which is the fighters seem to be under this impression that YOUSADA is on their side, that they're the buddy organization. And you see those videos that you SAWA tweets out, these like dear leader videos like I'm so glad you saw ITAs here. Meanwhile, they're catching G and C users and then people coming off the regional scene who have no money to cheat very well. Everyone who's got money to cheat and get designer stuff, they all seed to be doing just fine. The whole point is this, dude, and I know this for a fact, USADA exists to serve the shield. They serve the only master that pays them, which is the UFC, which is in the event of crises exactly, God forbid, the UFC can say, hey, look we did the most antidoping we possibly could. We have the most aggressive kind. It'll secure us from some kind of potential fallout, will wake up fighters. This is what yousada is. They are enablers of monopolists. They are not your hold on, let me finish. They are not your friends. They are not concerned with your well being. Ask Tom Lawler, Ask Josh Barnett, ask Ten king Yo, ask Neil Magney, ask any.

Of these people justified.

Of these people justified.

The point being here is they have this weird and utterly undeserved reputation as a fighter force organization. Know they are not they They exist to serve the interests the broader UFC shield.

The point being here is they have this weird and utterly undeserved reputation as a fighter force organization. Know they are not they They exist to serve the interests the broader UFC shield.

And if they happen on an occasion.

And if they happen on an occasion.

To serve your interests or in another fighter's interest or whoever, by catching it, a real cheater, okay, fine, well if they're happy to hammer you on the other end of things. This is the key point about this. You mentioned the Atlanta part about Nate Diaz. People are saying, well, there's a non story here. This is a morally bankrupt position. You don't get fighters to see at the table, you don't allow them to have anything to push forward their own future. They come out and they explicitly say Nate Diz is exonerated, which they don't do for anybody else. And you want me to believe that this is real and effective anti dope and get the fuck out of here.

To serve your interests or in another fighter's interest or whoever, by catching it, a real cheater, okay, fine, well if they're happy to hammer you on the other end of things. This is the key point about this. You mentioned the Atlanta part about Nate Diaz. People are saying, well, there's a non story here. This is a morally bankrupt position. You don't get fighters to see at the table, you don't allow them to have anything to push forward their own future. They come out and they explicitly say Nate Diz is exonerated, which they don't do for anybody else. And you want me to believe that this is real and effective anti dope and get the fuck out of here.

The fact turned around in twenty four hours, the fact that a fighter was allowed to strong arm them, and by the way, you want to talking with a BMF title, crown them. Crown Nate Diaz for basically saving that entire card just by his own stubbornness and willing to take this chance and put it out there and out himself to try to out the system as a whole. This is not progress. That they turn this around in twenty four hours. Is how many other people are getting destroyed by They didn't do a bunch of tests in twenty four hours. That part is misunderstood. They had changed the rules all the way back in August thirty. First, they just didn't tell anybody, which, by the way, is insane that this happens. What they did was, here's what Nate forced them to do.

The fact turned around in twenty four hours, the fact that a fighter was allowed to strong arm them, and by the way, you want to talking with a BMF title, crown them. Crown Nate Diaz for basically saving that entire card just by his own stubbornness and willing to take this chance and put it out there and out himself to try to out the system as a whole. This is not progress. That they turn this around in twenty four hours. Is how many other people are getting destroyed by They didn't do a bunch of tests in twenty four hours. That part is misunderstood. They had changed the rules all the way back in August thirty. First, they just didn't tell anybody, which, by the way, is insane that this happens. What they did was, here's what Nate forced them to do.

He forced them to go out there and say to them, I'm innocent, say it to them. And you had Dana tweeted Yusada releasing a statement, and you have c releasing a statement. That should happen for every single fighter. Otherwise you have a two tier system of justice. And you saw it should say some people get the Nate DS treatment and everyone else can go fuck themselves.

He forced them to go out there and say to them, I'm innocent, say it to them. And you had Dana tweeted Yusada releasing a statement, and you have c releasing a statement. That should happen for every single fighter. Otherwise you have a two tier system of justice. And you saw it should say some people get the Nate DS treatment and everyone else can go fuck themselves.

The whole John Jones handling I thought was a clown show. I think this takes an up a notch. But I just want to ask you specifically what I mentioned about the fifteen hundred and one test in boxing, and one comes up, and that one only came up, by the way, because a website at the time had found out the information and pushed it out there. Does that tell you that certain people that all entities want you SADA for the backbone for what you're saying, potential tragedy. Hey, look we've been doing We've been doing doping from the beginning. We've been testing these guys from the beginning. Does that tell you that some people want to put out a front that says, look, we're nabbing everybody left and right in other people's own.

The whole John Jones handling I thought was a clown show. I think this takes an up a notch. But I just want to ask you specifically what I mentioned about the fifteen hundred and one test in boxing, and one comes up, and that one only came up, by the way, because a website at the time had found out the information and pushed it out there. Does that tell you that certain people that all entities want you SADA for the backbone for what you're saying, potential tragedy. Hey, look we've been doing We've been doing doping from the beginning. We've been testing these guys from the beginning. Does that tell you that some people want to put out a front that says, look, we're nabbing everybody left and right in other people's own.

Yes, I've been saying this since day one. A lot of anti doping dude testing is not totally It does catch some cheaters. It is predominantly theater. It is predominant. You can see the message here that that NADAS put up. It is predominantly theater. It is designed to catch the low level offenders and then the occasional idiot who gets out in front of their own skis a little bit. But the real big fish, like for example, in Nike just had one i think their CEO resign and they got Alberto Salazar, who by the way, isn't even eligible to be testing.

Yes, I've been saying this since day one. A lot of anti doping dude testing is not totally It does catch some cheaters. It is predominantly theater. It is predominant. You can see the message here that that NADAS put up. It is predominantly theater. It is designed to catch the low level offenders and then the occasional idiot who gets out in front of their own skis a little bit. But the real big fish, like for example, in Nike just had one i think their CEO resign and they got Alberto Salazar, who by the way, isn't even eligible to be testing.

And know how they got them snitching investigations.

And know how they got them snitching investigations.

That's how they get the real big fish, the ones who've been doing all of the really bad stuff. These these guys from the who've been fighting on you know, you know, asshole FC and loser you know, Fighting Championship or whoever. They're catching those guys because they're trying to cheat on the regional scene to get to the UFC. And then they're catching the Neo Magnes of the world, the Nate diaz Is.

That's how they get the real big fish, the ones who've been doing all of the really bad stuff. These these guys from the who've been fighting on you know, you know, asshole FC and loser you know, Fighting Championship or whoever. They're catching those guys because they're trying to cheat on the regional scene to get to the UFC. And then they're catching the Neo Magnes of the world, the Nate diaz Is.

Of the world.

Of the world.

Is this is this is a they've done what thirteen thousand tes they've caught predominantly supplement users. Do people wake up. I've been saying to this since they this is and this is why it's important, Brian, because you are abridging the rights of athletes in order to do this. You are making Tim Kennedy shower in front of people. You are destroying the MMA career of Augusto Menez A Mendez. You are You're forcing Josh Barnett to pay thousands for what just to come back to square one. Dude, it is unconscionable. It is unconscionable. It is evil, and it is morally bankrupt. And USADA has this reputation like worthy adults in the room. Dude, you are the enablers of monopolists. That is what you are.

Is this is this is a they've done what thirteen thousand tes they've caught predominantly supplement users. Do people wake up. I've been saying to this since they this is and this is why it's important, Brian, because you are abridging the rights of athletes in order to do this. You are making Tim Kennedy shower in front of people. You are destroying the MMA career of Augusto Menez A Mendez. You are You're forcing Josh Barnett to pay thousands for what just to come back to square one. Dude, it is unconscionable. It is unconscionable. It is evil, and it is morally bankrupt. And USADA has this reputation like worthy adults in the room. Dude, you are the enablers of monopolists. That is what you are.

Wow. Wow, that's a man with conviction right there. We know that this is your thing, right You're known for the beard, You're known for the antipd stance. But let's or the anti handling of it. I just want to find some kind of common ground. How do we fix this moving forward? How do we use this lesson, this experience to inform how you SATA could work with the UFC. This is quite simple.

Wow. Wow, that's a man with conviction right there. We know that this is your thing, right You're known for the beard, You're known for the antipd stance. But let's or the anti handling of it. I just want to find some kind of common ground. How do we fix this moving forward? How do we use this lesson, this experience to inform how you SATA could work with the UFC. This is quite simple.

You get athlete buy in what they have the most skin in the game, so you you do not take away what the commissions are doing. You keep that in place because it's by law. And then the rest of it is athlete buying this whole thing about like, oh, I'm so glad you saw it. This is here, boy. I would love to see them take the Pepsi challenge where it's no longer mandatory. Let's see who signs up for it. Let's make it voluntary, and then that's a system where you have real at the people who suffer the most, potentially who stand the most to lose, stand the most to gain. They're the ones who collectively have their own say. Well, let them have their own say, and if they want to have VADA, then they can have vada. I'm not against it. What I'm against this this coercion that's not transparent. And I'm really truly sick of USADA getting this reputation like we're here to service the fighters, you service the shield of monopoly.

You get athlete buy in what they have the most skin in the game, so you you do not take away what the commissions are doing. You keep that in place because it's by law. And then the rest of it is athlete buying this whole thing about like, oh, I'm so glad you saw it. This is here, boy. I would love to see them take the Pepsi challenge where it's no longer mandatory. Let's see who signs up for it. Let's make it voluntary, and then that's a system where you have real at the people who suffer the most, potentially who stand the most to lose, stand the most to gain. They're the ones who collectively have their own say. Well, let them have their own say, and if they want to have VADA, then they can have vada. I'm not against it. What I'm against this this coercion that's not transparent. And I'm really truly sick of USADA getting this reputation like we're here to service the fighters, you service the shield of monopoly.

And you want to go back to pre UFC deal and go back to the boxing history. There's a lot of question marks that come out there. You said Pepsi challenge, I would have thought you'd done the coke challenge in Colombia. But that's another story. But here's the reality right here. Two forty four, we talked about that big press conference they did on the water in New York just didn't seem to hit the right notes to actually get you fired up for it. I feel like this was the controversy they needed. This almost this makes Nate look like a hero, Nate look like an absolute badass. Unfortunately, you're not getting the Nate versus Jorge Hey. And I'm gonna tell you and you already know this, at the end of the day, that main event on Saturday is going to be hillacious. There's no scenario in the x's and o's where it's not going to be all fun and games, all entertainment, all violence all the time. But there was that sort of like ho hum bridge to get there. The card got some fights I want to see, But the card top to bottom is not in line with the standards they established to begin when they finally got into Madison Square Garden to New York. I feel like this at least puts some buzz and spin. And now it's like, I gotta hear what Nate's gonna say. I gotta hear Jorge responds where coming in it was sort of like who's gonna throw the first punch to make me really need to see it? I already know I need to see it because I'm gonna get paid off at the end. But if I'm on the fence, if I'm on a casual, we need something, and this it felt like it was a gift to them. UFC has always been good at taking the dollars through the windows and using it to their advantage.

And you want to go back to pre UFC deal and go back to the boxing history. There's a lot of question marks that come out there. You said Pepsi challenge, I would have thought you'd done the coke challenge in Colombia. But that's another story. But here's the reality right here. Two forty four, we talked about that big press conference they did on the water in New York just didn't seem to hit the right notes to actually get you fired up for it. I feel like this was the controversy they needed. This almost this makes Nate look like a hero, Nate look like an absolute badass. Unfortunately, you're not getting the Nate versus Jorge Hey. And I'm gonna tell you and you already know this, at the end of the day, that main event on Saturday is going to be hillacious. There's no scenario in the x's and o's where it's not going to be all fun and games, all entertainment, all violence all the time. But there was that sort of like ho hum bridge to get there. The card got some fights I want to see, But the card top to bottom is not in line with the standards they established to begin when they finally got into Madison Square Garden to New York. I feel like this at least puts some buzz and spin. And now it's like, I gotta hear what Nate's gonna say. I gotta hear Jorge responds where coming in it was sort of like who's gonna throw the first punch to make me really need to see it? I already know I need to see it because I'm gonna get paid off at the end. But if I'm on the fence, if I'm on a casual, we need something, and this it felt like it was a gift to them. UFC has always been good at taking the dollars through the windows and using it to their advantage.

Jay is up in my ear, harassing, He's up in your ass.

Jay is up in my ear, harassing, He's up in your ass.

Get them out of there.

Get them out of there.

The point being is I think you're right. Certainly, what's a what's a BMF call? A BMF call is making all the authorities in play exonerate you say nice things about you. It's a real power move in that regard. You're right. It doesn't do much necessarily for the Jorge Masvidol element of it all, but maybe that will build this week and makes Nate Diaz very anti hero on brand, and I think that kind of elevates the show more general.

The point being is I think you're right. Certainly, what's a what's a BMF call? A BMF call is making all the authorities in play exonerate you say nice things about you. It's a real power move in that regard. You're right. It doesn't do much necessarily for the Jorge Masvidol element of it all, but maybe that will build this week and makes Nate Diaz very anti hero on brand, and I think that kind of elevates the show more general.

It's crazy. The turn, just a real quick it's crazy, the complete one eighty turn. This man has made you think he's the skipped Joey, We're sorry, a little j problem right there. This is the guy that you would think would be doing more drugs and trying to hide it, and yet he's the absolute Robin Hood right. He's the guy who's fighting the system and showing day after day he's the real This is unbelievable. Where we started with the Daz Brothers, who establish himself as first in coming, all around full circle.

It's crazy. The turn, just a real quick it's crazy, the complete one eighty turn. This man has made you think he's the skipped Joey, We're sorry, a little j problem right there. This is the guy that you would think would be doing more drugs and trying to hide it, and yet he's the absolute Robin Hood right. He's the guy who's fighting the system and showing day after day he's the real This is unbelievable. Where we started with the Daz Brothers, who establish himself as first in coming, all around full circle.

The gangster is a vegan. What can I say? The gangster is a vegan. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, you know what I'm saying, or sheep and.

The gangster is a vegan. What can I say? The gangster is a vegan. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing, you know what I'm saying, or sheep and.

Wolfs cloth, Black Sheep, Great Black Sheep album. Let's move on.

Wolfs cloth, Black Sheep, Great Black Sheep album. Let's move on.

So over the weekend, UFC Singapore took place ben Askrin falling to one in two being submitted by Demian Maa. Now I did my whole morning combat on this, Brian. But the question is here, were about a year or so past the initial trade between One Championship and UFC. They traded Demetrius Johnson to one and allegedly or whatever you want to call it, and then they put Ben Askern in UFC. There's a question about whether now who won the trade? And I'll say this Brian. I mean, look, people, if you okay.

So over the weekend, UFC Singapore took place ben Askrin falling to one in two being submitted by Demian Maa. Now I did my whole morning combat on this, Brian. But the question is here, were about a year or so past the initial trade between One Championship and UFC. They traded Demetrius Johnson to one and allegedly or whatever you want to call it, and then they put Ben Askern in UFC. There's a question about whether now who won the trade? And I'll say this Brian. I mean, look, people, if you okay.

So do you have a football team the Atlanta Falcons. Really, but I'm not a hardcore anymore. I was back in like the Hammer days, you know what I'm saying. Okay, Jerry Glanville was playing exactly all right, fair enough when when left eye was burning people's houses down.

So do you have a football team the Atlanta Falcons. Really, but I'm not a hardcore anymore. I was back in like the Hammer days, you know what I'm saying. Okay, Jerry Glanville was playing exactly all right, fair enough when when left eye was burning people's houses down.

I'm in you who wasn't a fan in those days? But I'm I'm a Skins fan in Washington, d C. You got Trent Williams may be the best left tackle in football and the dumbest man on the planet GM Bruce Allen doesn't want to trade him, but if he did trade him, he'd get him for like what maybe a first second round pick, And in other words, there'd be commensurate value, or at least perceived commensurate value. And people are looking at this trade and they're saying, well, you got a world class talent, a proven world class talent in Demitrius Johnson, versus somebody who is now struggling at the world class level. To a degree, right, the two losses were not that great. One is a little bit flucish in the sense that it was only five seconds, but the win was also controversial that he got and they're saying these are not equivalent things, and that part is probably true at this point, although I don't think Ben's career is over. There's still some to be learned there. But let's assume that they're not commencing with values. Let's listen, there's actually quite a disparity between them that to me, is not the way to evalue with this trade. Look, Dimitrius Johnson is happy at one. He's being well paid at one. He wanted out of the UFC. He got a bunch of value. One got a lot of value in having somebody that good on their roster. UFC is a much better fit for Ben Askrin than ONE was. His trash talk is bravado. And there was this big speculative question. This guy had spent the majority of his career on the sidelines. You got to at least see this question being at least attempted to be answered. So and you could also say that the Jorge Masvidol popularity BOO doesn't doesn't have without Ben Askering. So the thing is, are the equivalent trades in the sense of goods for goods? Not necessarily? But was it like number one Is it good to get these guys out of the dentured servitude contracts?

I'm in you who wasn't a fan in those days? But I'm I'm a Skins fan in Washington, d C. You got Trent Williams may be the best left tackle in football and the dumbest man on the planet GM Bruce Allen doesn't want to trade him, but if he did trade him, he'd get him for like what maybe a first second round pick, And in other words, there'd be commensurate value, or at least perceived commensurate value. And people are looking at this trade and they're saying, well, you got a world class talent, a proven world class talent in Demitrius Johnson, versus somebody who is now struggling at the world class level. To a degree, right, the two losses were not that great. One is a little bit flucish in the sense that it was only five seconds, but the win was also controversial that he got and they're saying these are not equivalent things, and that part is probably true at this point, although I don't think Ben's career is over. There's still some to be learned there. But let's assume that they're not commencing with values. Let's listen, there's actually quite a disparity between them that to me, is not the way to evalue with this trade. Look, Dimitrius Johnson is happy at one. He's being well paid at one. He wanted out of the UFC. He got a bunch of value. One got a lot of value in having somebody that good on their roster. UFC is a much better fit for Ben Askrin than ONE was. His trash talk is bravado. And there was this big speculative question. This guy had spent the majority of his career on the sidelines. You got to at least see this question being at least attempted to be answered. So and you could also say that the Jorge Masvidol popularity BOO doesn't doesn't have without Ben Askering. So the thing is, are the equivalent trades in the sense of goods for goods? Not necessarily? But was it like number one Is it good to get these guys out of the dentured servitude contracts?

Yes?

Yes?

And moreover, fans, what do you want? You got a chance to see an experiment. Maybe it's not gonna pan out in favor of the way you thought it might, but I'd rather see the attempt than not the attempt.

And moreover, fans, what do you want? You got a chance to see an experiment. Maybe it's not gonna pan out in favor of the way you thought it might, but I'd rather see the attempt than not the attempt.

I mean, one championship until they make this the full US expansion and kind of go for it. They're a classy boutique. DJ fits that more perfectly. But if you want to know who won the trade, UFC has won, is still winning and will continue to win the trade. Because those three ben Askrin fights up to this point, Luke have gotten more interest and attention unfortunately then most recent Demetrius Johnson title defenses, which were largely happening on UFC fight nights for a trend, for a stretch for a while. For a reason, UFC won this trade because when they look at these goods, they're not necessarily thinking or caring so much about well, DJ may end up being our greatest flyway in one of our greatest fighters. It's about commodity in the moment, and ben Askrim was a better commodity and actually still is with these losses, in getting Mosvidal over and bringing attention and bringing fun fights. I think the bigger question here is anytime you have somebody in Ben askin spot, which was so dominant in anywhere but the UFC, and you start making the same type of debates that will probably have in a minute about Douglas Lima. You know, how do you compare what he's doing to what's going on in the UFC. Where would you rank him? And there were times that we would say, look, ben Ascarin's looking so great, not taking a loss, taking punishment and coming back and just controlling people with this one skill. That man, what would it look like if he thought GSP and all this stuff. And I think sometimes people get solved when they come to the UFC right, Sometimes people having Eddie Alfas right type run where they surprise you. This was one of those where I think, unless Ben Asking can come back with a run and really prove something if he feels like he has to and needs to, this wasn't well. It was a win in a victory from a brand standpoint, from the idea of this man being a world ranked legitimate guy in the top two or three, not top ten, but we're talking about at those times when he's blowing people out in Belatore, and one we're like, what would it look like against the UFC champion. I think those were wishful.

I mean, one championship until they make this the full US expansion and kind of go for it. They're a classy boutique. DJ fits that more perfectly. But if you want to know who won the trade, UFC has won, is still winning and will continue to win the trade. Because those three ben Askrin fights up to this point, Luke have gotten more interest and attention unfortunately then most recent Demetrius Johnson title defenses, which were largely happening on UFC fight nights for a trend, for a stretch for a while. For a reason, UFC won this trade because when they look at these goods, they're not necessarily thinking or caring so much about well, DJ may end up being our greatest flyway in one of our greatest fighters. It's about commodity in the moment, and ben Askrim was a better commodity and actually still is with these losses, in getting Mosvidal over and bringing attention and bringing fun fights. I think the bigger question here is anytime you have somebody in Ben askin spot, which was so dominant in anywhere but the UFC, and you start making the same type of debates that will probably have in a minute about Douglas Lima. You know, how do you compare what he's doing to what's going on in the UFC. Where would you rank him? And there were times that we would say, look, ben Ascarin's looking so great, not taking a loss, taking punishment and coming back and just controlling people with this one skill. That man, what would it look like if he thought GSP and all this stuff. And I think sometimes people get solved when they come to the UFC right, Sometimes people having Eddie Alfas right type run where they surprise you. This was one of those where I think, unless Ben Asking can come back with a run and really prove something if he feels like he has to and needs to, this wasn't well. It was a win in a victory from a brand standpoint, from the idea of this man being a world ranked legitimate guy in the top two or three, not top ten, but we're talking about at those times when he's blowing people out in Belatore, and one we're like, what would it look like against the UFC champion. I think those were wishful.

There were clearly there was. Look, there's clearly some overspeculation going on, and this has been a bit of a market correction. I think that's fair to say.

There were clearly there was. Look, there's clearly some overspeculation going on, and this has been a bit of a market correction. I think that's fair to say.

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I don't know what Ben's next step is, but if he continues to pursue a career in UFC and he's allowed to allowed to continue, one, I don't think it's inconceivable a run. I don't know, but put some nice wins together. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on that particular part yet, although that could be wrong too. I don't know. I'm speculating, but I made this point a morning combat dissected Brian Campbell, which was people are like, oh, he's thirty five, but DEMI and mayas forty one, now forty two. I think in a week or so, this idea that like age is the excuse is not really fair. First of all, forty two being doing what my is doing is just insane. Number one. Number two, it's not an apples to apples comparison, dude, if you are on a path like he was in BELT or when he was beating Koreshkov and Amasu and Douglas Lima, and by the way.

I don't know what Ben's next step is, but if he continues to pursue a career in UFC and he's allowed to allowed to continue, one, I don't think it's inconceivable a run. I don't know, but put some nice wins together. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on that particular part yet, although that could be wrong too. I don't know. I'm speculating, but I made this point a morning combat dissected Brian Campbell, which was people are like, oh, he's thirty five, but DEMI and mayas forty one, now forty two. I think in a week or so, this idea that like age is the excuse is not really fair. First of all, forty two being doing what my is doing is just insane. Number one. Number two, it's not an apples to apples comparison, dude, if you are on a path like he was in BELT or when he was beating Koreshkov and Amasu and Douglas Lima, and by the way.

Young koresh Coff and young Lima thought to be honest with very young Ben Askron.

Young koresh Coff and young Lima thought to be honest with very young Ben Askron.

The Douglas Lima story, which we'll get to just a point, is a question about longitudinal perseverance and having to be part of a process that pushes you in that direction. He was never really pushed. He went over to one because he couldn't get a shot in UFC in his athletic prime. He thought a bunch of people he had no real reason to push himself against. Then he retired folks forgets. He was done fighting, and then came back. Here's my point. If you had stayed in the UFC, or excuse me, if Askron had a chance to go from let's say BELT or right to UFC, maybe he would have washed out fast. I don't know, it's a possibility. Or maybe he would have had some wins, maybe we would have had some losses. But he would have been part of a developmental process that would have either washed him out or potentially pushed him to greatness. It's like another fighter if they're good, but then they don't ever get that pushed, then they get the thirty five. You can't make up for lost time in that particular way. So when people say, oh, well, it's not an excuse Ben Askin super overrated again, maybe there is a bit of a market correction happening, but I don't think you've never been. It's not fair to somebody who was not part of the real cauldron of the UFC process to say now at thirty five, oh, they're super overrated.

The Douglas Lima story, which we'll get to just a point, is a question about longitudinal perseverance and having to be part of a process that pushes you in that direction. He was never really pushed. He went over to one because he couldn't get a shot in UFC in his athletic prime. He thought a bunch of people he had no real reason to push himself against. Then he retired folks forgets. He was done fighting, and then came back. Here's my point. If you had stayed in the UFC, or excuse me, if Askron had a chance to go from let's say BELT or right to UFC, maybe he would have washed out fast. I don't know, it's a possibility. Or maybe he would have had some wins, maybe we would have had some losses. But he would have been part of a developmental process that would have either washed him out or potentially pushed him to greatness. It's like another fighter if they're good, but then they don't ever get that pushed, then they get the thirty five. You can't make up for lost time in that particular way. So when people say, oh, well, it's not an excuse Ben Askin super overrated again, maybe there is a bit of a market correction happening, but I don't think you've never been. It's not fair to somebody who was not part of the real cauldron of the UFC process to say now at thirty five, oh, they're super overrated.

So you're calling him marvitas a bonus. That's what you're doing right now.

So you're calling him marvitas a bonus. That's what you're doing right now.

What I'm saying is if he had been a part of that process during his athletic prime, it could be a very very different answer.

What I'm saying is if he had been a part of that process during his athletic prime, it could be a very very different answer.

But when you're trying to do that in your head and you're trying to mythically say what would it look like if he came over, I think there we gave so much credit to his one skill. And then you get a guy obviously world class in great like Maya, who had put a very strong performance and many ways seemed to cancel out whatever Ben could do. And then you basically saw two teachers in the breakroom, fighting over a cup of coffee, trying to throw punches at each other. It was it was maybe not the classiest fight.

But when you're trying to do that in your head and you're trying to mythically say what would it look like if he came over, I think there we gave so much credit to his one skill. And then you get a guy obviously world class in great like Maya, who had put a very strong performance and many ways seemed to cancel out whatever Ben could do. And then you basically saw two teachers in the breakroom, fighting over a cup of coffee, trying to throw punches at each other. It was it was maybe not the classiest fight.

I don't even understand that analogy the striking, Well, high school did you go to?

I don't even understand that analogy the striking, Well, high school did you go to?

I went through it to a tough one, by the way, nog too Kai, thank you the great. But the striking in this fight was, uh yeah, it.

I went through it to a tough one, by the way, nog too Kai, thank you the great. But the striking in this fight was, uh yeah, it.

Was not awesome. It was not the best thing. I just think like, look, man, you know, it's how do I explain it? It's certain portions of your life to get the most out of yourself. What if he had gone to the UFC at age twenty eight, let's say, and gotten a loss, and he would have thought to himself, Jesus, I really need to go and work on it.

Was not awesome. It was not the best thing. I just think like, look, man, you know, it's how do I explain it? It's certain portions of your life to get the most out of yourself. What if he had gone to the UFC at age twenty eight, let's say, and gotten a loss, and he would have thought to himself, Jesus, I really need to go and work on it.

We never sent that tweet at Dana really right, all these things.

We never sent that tweet at Dana really right, all these things.

But he had been gone to the UFC, got the loss. What if that had retold him, changed things, got him to a point where now he could push forward and maximize his strengths. But if you're never forced to maximize your strengths and then you're called upon it years afterwards, what are you realistically going to get out of that?

But he had been gone to the UFC, got the loss. What if that had retold him, changed things, got him to a point where now he could push forward and maximize his strengths. But if you're never forced to maximize your strengths and then you're called upon it years afterwards, what are you realistically going to get out of that?

I don't I don't if I find it weird that you're building this foundation of excuses. We're just basically saying like he's got he's got if he wants.

I don't I don't if I find it weird that you're building this foundation of excuses. We're just basically saying like he's got he's got if he wants.

To hang on, all of a sudden development doesn't matter.

To hang on, all of a sudden development doesn't matter.

Now it does. But the whole point was, even though I feel like the UFC won the trade hot take or not hipster take whatever, Yeah, I think they won the trade marketing purposes, but he still hasn't really shown us anything in the UFC outside of being able to take a beating against Robby and persevere, which again I'm going to give him credit for. But if he wants to keep fighting, he's still got a lot to prove that he's top five UFC level with that one great skill.

Now it does. But the whole point was, even though I feel like the UFC won the trade hot take or not hipster take whatever, Yeah, I think they won the trade marketing purposes, but he still hasn't really shown us anything in the UFC outside of being able to take a beating against Robby and persevere, which again I'm going to give him credit for. But if he wants to keep fighting, he's still got a lot to prove that he's top five UFC level with that one great skill.

I just think lasting on this, I just think the idea that you can look at him now and say, uh, yes, was there a certain estimation of his abilities coming over that was overstated pretty clearly. On the other hand, looking at him now and saying this is all he ever could have been, this is all that ever was when he was denied the opportunity to maximize his ability, It's just not fair. It's it's simple, it's simplest fact.

I just think lasting on this, I just think the idea that you can look at him now and say, uh, yes, was there a certain estimation of his abilities coming over that was overstated pretty clearly. On the other hand, looking at him now and saying this is all he ever could have been, this is all that ever was when he was denied the opportunity to maximize his ability, It's just not fair. It's it's simple, it's simplest fact.

Ben he would have been going on in there against primed GSP.

Ben he would have been going on in there against primed GSP.

Fine, then maybe he would have lost and washed out and wouldn't have this curiosity. The curiosity is born of the fact that he was denied the opportunity. That's my point. And in that speculation, Yeah, you're gonna get some wild ass theories.

Fine, then maybe he would have lost and washed out and wouldn't have this curiosity. The curiosity is born of the fact that he was denied the opportunity. That's my point. And in that speculation, Yeah, you're gonna get some wild ass theories.

I just don't normally see you go that direction. I just love hard and fast. We don't protect anyone.

I just don't normally see you go that direction. I just love hard and fast. We don't protect anyone.

I just think it's really unfair people athletes think you're just born good, dude, you get better. Douglas Lima when he started as in Bellatour versus. Now look at the difference and it's not a yes. A lot of that is just Douglas Leman being awesome. A lot of that is him losing to Rory McDonald. A lot of that is him losing to Ben Askern and then force himself to going back and getting better and getting better and getting better and getting better. No one ever forced that on Ben Askern.

I just think it's really unfair people athletes think you're just born good, dude, you get better. Douglas Lima when he started as in Bellatour versus. Now look at the difference and it's not a yes. A lot of that is just Douglas Leman being awesome. A lot of that is him losing to Rory McDonald. A lot of that is him losing to Ben Askern and then force himself to going back and getting better and getting better and getting better and getting better. No one ever forced that on Ben Askern.

He was rolling through. I'm just saying to this show. We cut to the chase, there's no friendships, right although downstairs, little brown hairs everywhere, we're a nasty be I don't care, you know what I'm saying I'll bring it around here.

He was rolling through. I'm just saying to this show. We cut to the chase, there's no friendships, right although downstairs, little brown hairs everywhere, we're a nasty be I don't care, you know what I'm saying I'll bring it around here.

I'm just I'm not trying to protect anything. I don't have any interviews lined up with Ben. I've not even reached out to him. I just think it's unfair. I just don't think it's fair, not totally fair. I'll say it's halfway fair.

I'm just I'm not trying to protect anything. I don't have any interviews lined up with Ben. I've not even reached out to him. I just think it's unfair. I just don't think it's fair, not totally fair. I'll say it's halfway fair.

I don't know what happened to you in South America, but it's you know, it must be a very I've got a heart, Brian Campbell, I got a heart. Took a long time. Grant's great to see you back.

I don't know what happened to you in South America, but it's you know, it must be a very I've got a heart, Brian Campbell, I got a heart. Took a long time. Grant's great to see you back.

All right, all right, let's move on. Speaking of Douglas Leeam, I'm Brian Campbell. Do you go first on this one?

All right, all right, let's move on. Speaking of Douglas Leeam, I'm Brian Campbell. Do you go first on this one?

Boy?

Boy?

He was out there winning not the most exciting fight in the world, but he wins your welterweight Grand Prix a million dollars. Has won every rematch now and in this particular case, avenging his loss to Wary McDonald, he is now again the Bellator welterweight champion of the world. Brian Campbell, what do you make of his victory? Where does he rank among walter.

He was out there winning not the most exciting fight in the world, but he wins your welterweight Grand Prix a million dollars. Has won every rematch now and in this particular case, avenging his loss to Wary McDonald, he is now again the Bellator welterweight champion of the world. Brian Campbell, what do you make of his victory? Where does he rank among walter.

Wad I was casigned for this fight. I interviewed both last week in New York, spent a lot of time with both was fired up like hell for this because that first fight was so much fun. They both overcame a lot in that situation and this fight was a dud from an entertainment standpoint. But this fight played in line with this great evolution of who Douglas Lima is. He has improved in such consistent incremental status that this hot run right now of knocking out MVP, of submitting Koreshkov in their trilogy, and now beating Rory is impressive as it is, but you go back and see how he's done it by adding little bits to his game. This was the showcase right here. I mentioned there was a lot of entertainment. There was booze like crazy. There's first two rounds. I may have fallen asleep cage side there, but you know what, it got that way because Douglas Lima learned from that first fight. You remember after round four in Los Angeles, January twenty eighteen, fights up in the air, it's even on the cards, and what happens. Rory on one leg takes Lima down and spends that whole final round on top of him, wins the fight. So what did Lima have to do. He had to figure out his wrestling and get it up to the elite level of his striking and his leg kicks. He showed you a little bit of that in the third fight with Koreshkov. But for him to come out against a Rory who physically still has mentally maybe another question and we can talk about that, But to come out there and stuff every single takedown more or less and control Rory McDonald and put Rory in a spot where you know, he said afterwards, you know, I thought I had done more. I thought I was winning. I don't know what he could have thought, because it wasn't that exciting. But it was lima at every end, stopping what Rory could do or was able to do. And when he won it in fifty cent shows up with that bottle of champagne, the million dollar check and the confetti falling from the sky. This was a culmination of really a guy who just put his head down and has become one of the best in the world. That I want to have that mythical talk with you right now. I want to ask you if he gets in that damn Ackerton, where is he rank? Where does the rank among Walter Wait's what does the rank We really have to ask ourselves. Okay, you stopped what fifteen Rory McDonald takedowns, which is very impressive, But the top end of UFC right now is very rustle heavy, So I would say he's uh, at worst the third best walter weight in the world right now with a wow that high? Yeah?

Wad I was casigned for this fight. I interviewed both last week in New York, spent a lot of time with both was fired up like hell for this because that first fight was so much fun. They both overcame a lot in that situation and this fight was a dud from an entertainment standpoint. But this fight played in line with this great evolution of who Douglas Lima is. He has improved in such consistent incremental status that this hot run right now of knocking out MVP, of submitting Koreshkov in their trilogy, and now beating Rory is impressive as it is, but you go back and see how he's done it by adding little bits to his game. This was the showcase right here. I mentioned there was a lot of entertainment. There was booze like crazy. There's first two rounds. I may have fallen asleep cage side there, but you know what, it got that way because Douglas Lima learned from that first fight. You remember after round four in Los Angeles, January twenty eighteen, fights up in the air, it's even on the cards, and what happens. Rory on one leg takes Lima down and spends that whole final round on top of him, wins the fight. So what did Lima have to do. He had to figure out his wrestling and get it up to the elite level of his striking and his leg kicks. He showed you a little bit of that in the third fight with Koreshkov. But for him to come out against a Rory who physically still has mentally maybe another question and we can talk about that, But to come out there and stuff every single takedown more or less and control Rory McDonald and put Rory in a spot where you know, he said afterwards, you know, I thought I had done more. I thought I was winning. I don't know what he could have thought, because it wasn't that exciting. But it was lima at every end, stopping what Rory could do or was able to do. And when he won it in fifty cent shows up with that bottle of champagne, the million dollar check and the confetti falling from the sky. This was a culmination of really a guy who just put his head down and has become one of the best in the world. That I want to have that mythical talk with you right now. I want to ask you if he gets in that damn Ackerton, where is he rank? Where does the rank among Walter Wait's what does the rank We really have to ask ourselves. Okay, you stopped what fifteen Rory McDonald takedowns, which is very impressive, But the top end of UFC right now is very rustle heavy, So I would say he's uh, at worst the third best walter weight in the world right now with a wow that high? Yeah?

Yeah, so the top five of walterweight or what the top six of wone account kamorw's when the champion kamorrow, They still have these.

Yeah, so the top five of walterweight or what the top six of wone account kamorw's when the champion kamorrow, They still have these.

Rankings in the UFC. These people do not know how to do ranking. You know you are you in the rank I didn't even know there was a rankings board. I thought it was just a computer.

Rankings in the UFC. These people do not know how to do ranking. You know you are you in the rank I didn't even know there was a rankings board. I thought it was just a computer.

That people have Tyron Woody ranked as the number one contender because they have no idea.

That people have Tyron Woody ranked as the number one contender because they have no idea.

Well, they have that weird rule that if the champion loses automatically number one. Well it's every time every time the champion loses.

Well, they have that weird rule that if the champion loses automatically number one. Well it's every time every time the champion loses.

Are people who are doing it don't understand what the rule means. That has to be an in house order though, maybe, But the rankings are supposed to decide who was the most deserving next contender for the title. To have Woodley at one is insane in that regard, and it doesn't mean he's not a good fighter, It just means in that contentiership quit anyway. Kamaru, Woodley, Covington, Masvidal, Edwards, dos Angos, those are your top six right there.

Are people who are doing it don't understand what the rule means. That has to be an in house order though, maybe, But the rankings are supposed to decide who was the most deserving next contender for the title. To have Woodley at one is insane in that regard, and it doesn't mean he's not a good fighter, It just means in that contentiership quit anyway. Kamaru, Woodley, Covington, Masvidal, Edwards, dos Angos, those are your top six right there.

What does her rank in that space? I think he's right there. I said that worse three, but I mean three or four is look striking wise? Tell me he's not world class.

What does her rank in that space? I think he's right there. I said that worse three, but I mean three or four is look striking wise? Tell me he's not world class.

Elite right there. He's world class into everything and.

Elite right there. He's world class into everything and.

Everything, And so I think fixing up that wrestling whole a little bit and being able to outthink Rory. I went back and watched that first fight over again, and it really impressed me how in the moment, in the midst of pain and vulnerability, Rory is the damn red King. He can just control and center himself and persevere and overcome. He got all thought on this one badly, and it was really for the first time. This wasn't Lima lining up MVP and hit him with a highlight reel knockout. This was really just a such a strong victory mentally that yes, I would have questions against somebody who's just such a motor and machine of usman. Right now, I think tomorrow still has to prove to us that he can do it, not just against Woodley, but a couple of times and defend the spell and do that. But what I like him against Colby Coventon, I think I would.