Welcome back to more to It to show the text a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment, and culture. Start with headline news and then journey to deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel Swally. That dude, bet us continue to go to Wallywinds dot com. I see y'all right there, ready for the prop best, right? Come on, why let's get this thing going. Who gonna lose their chin strap first? To some of them? Some random old prop best right, But we're gonna play some black jack, some war, some spades, some greens. We're gonna be eating some greens. Like, we're just gonna be playing, right, Wileywinds dot Com. Look forward to you guys signing up. I see you guys already who have those who haven't. I will give you one hundred and twenty five percent sign up bonus when you log on. Think about that. You give me a dollar, I get you a dollar in the quarter. Go ahead, go ahead, let's play. Let's have some fun. All right, y'all, y'all know how we start off every show, Well, what's up with that? Dude? Well, one thing that's up with me is y'all. See this right here, y'all, ooh ooh. I don't even gotta touch it. Y'all see that little connection that ear canal, lateral maniscus layers cl going all the way to my vertebrate. That next strip right there, that thing on fire, Courtney said, I need some of that shock icy hot. I don't know what. I don't even need the ice. I just need the hide. I need to burn this damn waters thing is catching me slipping, and I ain't gonna lie. This is one of those injuries that you get irritable about. Right, you just get a little shorter fuse because your neck on fire. Like it's like when your back hurts. You just don't want to do jack. Your neck on fire. You be like what cause you can't turn your head. So somebody calling you over there, and immediately I think in your brain like your primal brain is like dog, you know, my neck hurt and I can't turn to see you. So you go like this what it'd be an? What? Oh? Yes, how you doing? God? That thing on fire? I don't know what the stop. I got the massage already, I need another one. Anyway, enough for my complaints. I had a great meeting yesterday for Project Transition LATOC. Yes, shout out to them and our new partnership. That basically means we're gonna be doing toy drives, holiday giveaways, special needs resources and support. Uh, They've got a three on three basketball tournament in it. I will not be playing. I suck at basketball. I am such a stereotype in basketball until the game starts. I'm always gonna be the first pick. Like I go to a random gym right now, it marshus first pick. You just wasted your cap space. Your cap is ruined. Soon you pad me the ball and be like, what disease? What do these these round ball through? I suck at basketball almost on purpose now because I'm like, I ain't gonna learn it and my body ain't gonna cooperate for me to go out there and do it. So forget y'all stereotype of me last pick. Y'all should have seen through all of this size, this color and saw that I couldn't play no ball. Oh well they couldn't see Brady could play ball as well as pick one ninety nine. So I'm the opposite of that. But they got that. We got a pick a ball tournament that we're gonna create. Now that's what I can do to today. I die so tremendous meeting there. Shout out to Lisa, Shout out to Mark. We had a great time. Appreciate you guys and the connection and the partnership. Other than that, we got a new household BCS rankings. Yes, in our house we rank everything. We compete about everything. Yep, all y'all sending y'all kids to my kids' school, sending them to me the coach in basketball and football. First thing I say is, y'all know we competing, right, This ain't pe. You don't get no credit just showing up. You better put in work. And we're competing against ourselves first, then around our teammates next, and then the opponent last. We compete and I'll be like, oh, your mam and daddy told you you shouldn't compete and the score doesn't matter. Tell them I said they're lying. Do I say that? Though, kinder, I'd be like, just tell them you've heard different, right, you know what I mean? But basically they lying? The hell you sending this kid to meet tomorrow? The points don't matter as long as you get to have fun. Hell, no, ain't no fun if you ain't winning, Yes it is. It ain't no fun. If you ain't winning, the team may not win, but you better be all right. Like cats out there not even caring. I like dog, you still don't know how to dribble. It's been eight weeks. At least make the ball go down. You can't even make it go down. He can't even let the ball go I'm like, man, God. So the point is, tell your kids you got to compete, get better than they were before. That's competition at its base level. All right, this show is powered by you. You remember that in Minn Society, you the prey. Its powered by y'all. And Project Transition where we develop and amplify the inner power for the world to see so that you are greater than your greatest excuse log on the Project Transition dot org. You would get this book where a recurring donation get some love. Like my man, John Turner, respect for logging in from Covina, California. What's up Covina in Halms Covenion, Covina always made me think like that. John Turner's salute to you and Jordan Moseley. I see you out there, big dog, Fort Washington, Maryland. Just feels like I should salute anybody that lives in Fort Washington, Maryland. Respect to you as well as your support. Right, speaking of support, let's talk about Pat McAfee out there supporting everybody that comes on his show. Pat is paying, girl. When did this ever become the thing? Pat is paying those who come on this show for interviews. He's paying Aaron Rodgers, etc. Right. He tricking for talking? He tricking, girl, And I love it. I love it. I love his honesty, and I love the fact that he even had that model in place. But let's talk about it. So, he believes there's significant value in paying athletes, coaches, et cetera for their time and access to interviews. He sees it as a mutually beneficial arrangement. And we all know why because if Pat McAfee gonna make some money, why can't they make some money? Right? So McAfee argues that if someone is making money from interviews like he is, the future guests should also receive fair compensation. WHOA, and this was a model that wasn't in existence for a long time, right, cats would be like it's an honor, it's a privilege to use our platform. So therefore we will offer you platform time in the amount of five minutes, and you will do it for free, or else we'll give it to someone else. That's how they used to come at cats, right. He believes it's the right way to operate, the way that Pat McAfee is doing. Hook them up while they're talking. He says, quote, if somebody's making money off of this, I'm making money off of this. If nobody's making any money, and it's all for good will, I'm making no money as well. Keeping it congruent. If I'm getting some, you getting some, right, And if you're not getting anything, is cuz I'm not getting anything. Simple as that. To give is to get, to get is to give. Say it, Pat McAfee, say it with your chest. So, he reportedly pays Aaron Rodgers significant amount for his appearances on the show, and he acknowledges that Aaron Rodgers deserves even more than what he's given them for his contributions, even though I couldn't find out what that amount is. But y'all tell me if y'all know. So, he says Aaron deserves much more than what he's gotten for the time and effort he's put into Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays and being real whatever Pat McAfee was before Aaron Rodgers, that bump, that was a bump, and Aaron Rodger, You're like, it wasn't even so much the content. Because I ain't gonna lie. I have not sat through one Aaron Rodgers Tuesday interview. I can't, I don't. I don't do it like that. However, salute to the show, salute to what they have created, salute to their growth, all that. But I do know from the outside looking in, damn, it was just a cred You got Aaron Rodgers every Tuesday, kind of like whitlock, you know, say what you want. You got Brett Fahr and warrensapp Air, which interesting right now he need to ask bread Far about that damn welfare. That's kind of awkward, though. We're gonna have that conversation with time, because I'm gonna tell y'all why. I don't know if he has or not, but I keep reading comments he hasn't. But I can tell you why he hasn't if he hasn't, And I also can tell you why he has if he has, but y'all gotta tell me the truth. Has he asked Aaron as he as Bret far here about that money, about that chance because I was on welfare, so bro, it kind of mattered to me, you know what I mean. So McAfee highlights the tremendous growth of his company. He talks about, quote, our company went from being valued from anywhere between two to five million dollars a few years back to like over five hundred million right now, say it loud, Pat McAfee brings TV and I'm proud. Let's go. I'm not gonna tell you our evaluation right now, but it's higher than five million. Now I need to fast forward a couple of years and get over five hundred million. We'll see. But we valued up there more than that. Interesting some money here, all right? So Rogers was initially uncomfortable with the payments, Yeah, because he's so used to the old model. Everybody used to the old model old bottle. Is you lucky boy? You lucky to get on that ESPN? You lucky get on that YouTube? What? And they sold that dope all cut up like that, and we took it fitting all up in it crazy, right? So now the mindset's done changed. But McAfee explained the value to Aaron Rodgers, and he told him like, look, Aaron, you got to understand your value to what you bring it to us and the value we gonna get off of you. Quote. Aaron's very uncomfortable with that, obviously. Let me tell you what you have done for our company and you shut the f up. That is basically how this is gonna go. So basically, I mean, look, you ain't got a strong arm somebody too long, too hard to make him accept your money. But he had to convince him, like, dog, this is the way it's gonna go. This is how it's gonna be. And then he went on a little side note. He had to get a shot off on Andrew Mrshan Marshan from The New York Post, who he says portrayed the payments to Rogers in a negative way. He called him a rat, you know, a rat, like a big ass mouse with a bigger tap, called an ass a rat. You call somebody in New York a rat, that's bad because New York already full of rats. And then you one of them rats, one of them big ass subway rats who Andrew Marshan. He called him out. He said he tried to paint it in a way that makes him look bad as a person, right, and he din't like that. Okay, So this is nothing new in terms of conversation, but this is something new in terms of actually doing it. The real logistics, pragmatic way of processing payment for interviews. It's always been a concept. People were like, yo, I'm not getting paid. Really, they getting paid, They doing the show, they got commercial, everybody getting paid. It's kind of like being a college player or college football player for soung Like, everybody get paid around me and I ain't get paid and y'all need me to do the show and do the segments. Okay, So it's always been a conversation from being the former athletes, trust me. Now. I remember when jay Z came out shout out to jay Z and he he was like, y'all ain't putting me on no covers or y'all gonna have to pay me to put me on covers because y'all making money off of that damn magazine. Why am I gonna jump on your cover. I'm good, my album gonna sell. They know who I am. I'm fine. I remember he said. One of the lines towards that was magazine said, I'm shallow. I never learned to swim. Look at that word play, shallow and swim. I caught it. Still, they put me on the cover because I earned for them. Yeah, they talk all that noise, and that's what I wish athletes. I wish sports entertainment was up to had that courage back then. But we got it now. But back then you should have been like, y'all making all this money and y'all need me to fill these shows, or these shows don't look as authentic. You don't have the same level of credibility. You ain't got no athletes on here, You don't have any of the real players on here. So I wish we would have done that before. And it kind of reminds me of y'all. Tell me are some things that make you go h? Like you remember that that what was that? A living color? Or some things that make you go h. And what makes me go home is why weren't athletes getting paid by networks to be on a sports show talking about athletes when they were making money off the athletes and all these college players and we focusing on the NCAA and amateurism and then we professionals and you getting you're paying a dude interview with me? And who is he? He went to Syracuse for journalism. So sell that you better asked me some questions. Sell that now you got some money, right, all these ads is about you got Peyton manning ooh, and Pey man ain't getting paid for it back in the day. Now you're getting paid for it. He got Simocasz all that stuff, right, but back of the day, now we ain't gonna pay you getting paid for the coats. The coats and the Broncos got your money. You just come on here for free, right right? It's crazy, all right? So that made me go, my worn't athlete's getting paid before Wait a minute, and here's another thing that always makes me go, why wouldn't you go to the airport? Do you tip the skycap the guy on the curb with that little dolly? But if you walk ten feet inside to that attendant behind the counter, they ain't getting no tip. And you still gotta lift your suitcase up to put it on the scale of the wag, oh cause they ain't got a dolly. Things didn't make you go what else? Why do we tip at a chain restaurant and stuff, you know, Starbucks or whatever it may be, And you tip when you go through the drive through. All right, let me get a number three, number three? Yeah, yeah, saft serve sir, large fries, extra crispy. No tomato on my burger, No tombato. You pull up to the damn side the first window. Oh, and they always got a sign, please pull up to the next window. This one's closed. You got that window? Why do I got two windows in one always closed? All right? Anyway, we go to the other window and you get there, and then they bring you this big ass long remote control, right, this long cable thing with a big old computer on it at the end, and here you go put your card in or scan it or or let it let it insert right all right? And then you're looking how much thirty nine thirty eight? Oh okay, and then it'd be like fifteen twenty five percent. Then it'll be like custom custom, all right, it's custom zero, does kidd? But but if you walked inside, which who walks inside? Only high school students walk inside restaurants? Now, like that, ain't no adult walking in, No damn Starbucks and stuff like that, do you do y'all? Really? Oh? Okay? And then you walked in there and then you that man take you out of You ain't get no tip? What you do? You just have it's right there already put my order in. It's kind of weird, right, things that make you go m Here's another thing that used to make me go home. When I was making money in the league and I was looking around and not taking my boys out. And I only took my boys out because I didn't want to go to the club by myself, Like I didn't really need them for the dinner part. They could have met me at the club. But I was like, all right, and it felt good to sharing it with your friends. Obviously I'm playing, but it feel that good. Because when the bill came, every single time everybody had to go peep and booboo. I was like, where y'all going? Bill? Bill? One thousand, two hundred and twenty six dollars thirty eight cents. Now I know not to ask them because frankly, they ain't got it. And it ain't that conversation. It's the conversation of what do you have? You got nine dollars? I see them dah, you got on a lot Oo's bro let me stop. You got on some fresh Jordan's. Come on, man, you ain't got nine dollars? Just yester, I always do this, No, no, no, I'm good if you say, hey man, I got twenty, I got twenty, homie, I'm the gester. Just the fact that somewhere in your being you thinking of this moment, I'm gonna hoook it up. But nope, things that made me go home? Why are my friends in offer to pay more all that stuff? So y'all tell me any more things that make you go head scratchers? Right? I want you to beat it up in the commons, send something so you'd be like, yeah, that is kind of weird. Why weren't athletes getting paid to be on TV shows that were about athletes, but everybody they are getting paid? Kind of weird? Right? Do you agree? I hope you agree. If the show is making money, interview, we should get paid as well. Right, let's see beat it up in the comments and monetization and everything might become inevitable. Y'all agree with that? Y'all think it should go there. If you can pay, you can pay. Everybody gett paid, right, let's just see what y'all think about that. But I'm really looking to see some more head scratching cases. Hook me up in those comments, y'all know I'm coming in how with a song, Aaron, When you say you love me, it doesn't matter, it goes into my head. It's just chit chatting, y'all. Me boy, that was the first beat that I said, Oh that's crispy. Remember the beat whip. It was like it was like snappy. It was like rice crispy treats. I was like, tastes good it was. It had like crackle too. I was like and Light was rapping, And that was back in the days when you didn't think a white person could rap. Then all of a sudden, beachie boys come out and be like, oh okay, and then you know, everlast and all that. It just kept going. Now, eminem you're like, am glad I lost that stereotype then, and then it was like, oh, girls can't rap emcy Light was I was because rock sayne Sha telling them like y'all loved the songs, hey, I was like, those ain't the same lyric But boy, oh, when I do rock sanning on here, I got a couple of rock Sanne songs that bang. But then EMC light went rapping. I was like, Oh, that's rapping for real, you know what I mean? So love to that. Shout out to mc light man for that love and the best voice in the game. She get paid a ton of money doing all them commercials, and you know what, we need some money, We need some commercials. We need to support Project Transition dot org. Hook it up, man. If you leave a recurrent donation, you get this book right here. Good book, good book, I would say so myself. All right, let's talk about when a player has beef with the media. Let's talk about Steve smith sor who was doing his job and then Jerry Judy was doing his job and then their jobs had some conflicts because of a war of words. Right, so to be started with reports that the Denver Broncos might trade Jerry Judy. This led to comments by y'all know who he is, strong man himself and I'm not talking about like in size and I ain't taling about the weight room. Steve Smith Senior just looked like dog that's a strong time that sucks up. I know him, But like Steve Smith Senior, like no punk allowed, Like what, like what Steve smiths here? I bet his middle name is, like what Steve what Smith's? Don't give a damn? And I love it all right, So Jerry Judy appear fired up responding to Steve Smith's comments by yelling at the TV camera. We saw it when he was warming up, all right, So Cee Smith Senior just basically like dog trade value, Like, first of all, you're gonna trade him? What's his value? Like what was Jerry Judy in the league right now? And in terms of those comments, so then Jerry Judy, this is so funny. Jerry Judy over there, Oh yeah, okay, whatever and playing I played too much football. Pregame used to impress me, like Pop Warner high school. Then you get older you start realizing, oh he looked like Tarzan play like Jane. Yeah, I still say that. I hate when people be like, don't say it. That shut up. Put eleven James on the field. See what I do. I'm coming out of retirement. I'm sacking the quarterback. It's a rap. That ain't no insult. That is really god Lee. That's like saying, oh, Marshalls, you don't have a six pack. That ain't no insult. That's reality. Get the six packs under there though, about four months of dedicated living. Man, I'm not insulted by reality. I'm insulting when you make shit up. That's what I'm like, what you're talking about? All right? So anyway, I looked at this and he went out there, all that wolfing in Oh, you know, two catches for one yard by halftime? Shut man? Shut up. In sports, you'd be like, man, shut up, Why are you bringing all this attention? You ain't doing nothing right. So that's leaning towards what Steve Smith said. Obviously, the Broncos lost in that game. They lost in Kansas City. Oh, they looking worse. I thought they were already bad. They looking at worse. I don't know what thing on. Russell Wilson gotta go that way, and you gotta get something going on, like Russell Willison got departed the franchise. They owe too much money. You know, they're gonna have to pay Sean Payton. Oh, divorce each other quickly. This is not working anyway. Let me get back on topic. So Steve Smith later went to Twitter. He know he won that war, that battle, just unfazed by the tensions. Clowning, taking issue none with it, and social media y'all let them up as well. I ain't even really want to talk about them going back and forth because I've seen that and I was like, whatever, Jerry Judy ain't playing that well right now for this team because in part, this quarterback ain't playing that word right now. So that hurts trade value as well. So y'all let them up on social media. Okay, So when I played, as y'all know my personality, watching this show, y'all start to realize I ain't had no beef with no damn media people. In part, I skipped the line to become a media member because I had no beef. I had tremendous relationships. They were like, Wyley, come here, oh pastor Hall of famers, walk by them, man, forget them foods. We like you, you talk for real, You're nice, you're sweet, you're cool, you're responsive, whatever, all that stuff whatever. But I did hear when I was playing Mad Dog say some stuff about me. I heard he said stuff about me. I never listened to mad I never listened to anything when I played. I was too busy focusing on what I was doing, which was playing or when I had down time. It wasn't to hear about what I did already, you know what I mean. I wanted to go out. I wanted to hang out. I wanted to be around my boys, my girl, whatever family. I was like, oh, iright, played, I don't want to hear about that. I ain't watching no show what I do alright, saw it, I watched film, so anyway, I only heard that now watching mad Dog. Now I can only assume what he said about me then that got all that attention. Now he was justified in saying it. When he said I was not good. I assumed he said I was sorry or something, because when they say something good about you, you don't hear about it, so he must say something bad about me. But I was playing bad, So saluke to you for saying it. Now. He probably put a little more color on it, a little more season salt on it than I would have liked to hear. But at the same time, I ain't tripped, all right, But I did see this a lot of beat writers who didn't get along with my teammates. This was the worst part. I ain't gonna say no names protect the guilty. They already played. Nobody cares. I saw beat writers who had beef with you, player X write articles daily and they were all slanted towards the negative, and they fooled everyone reading those papers because people thought that was reality based on what they were really feeling in terms of perception. They didn't like you, they didn't think you liked them, or they knew you didn't like them. Oh, they sold a negative reality, right, Give you some examples. Okay, if you're a beat writer and you care about somebody Marcellus, that third down when Barry Sanders ran around you, what was the play call? How come you guys didn't make that play versus Oh I don't like Marcellos. Guess what? And on third down Barry Sanders running towards Marcellus, who lost his containment and disciplined. We had a stunt. When you like you, they like you to ask you or they know we had a stunt. I had to go away, so technically that wasn't even my guy who really outside linebacker. But I ain't gonna throw them under the bus, and they wouldn't throw them under the bus. Yeah, Barry Sanders, this is how they write it when they like you. Barry Sanders making another miraculous play. That's why he's Barry Sanders goes around the corner and scores another touchdown. Buffalo down seven zero. Nobody took a shot, right, nobody got shot. They don't like you. Barry Sanders runs towards Marcell makes a makes a standard move. Wiley not able to keep contained on the plate. That's why I'm going at the media with the same energy B because I know how they did it, how they do it, I used to do it. I ain't right like that. I ain't say stuff like that. I don't, but I'm saying I used to hear about my boys, hear it about me a little bit, and I was like, oh, these suckers, And then you know, when I'm in the media, I'm like, god, Lee, this is part why I did a Sports Nation, which if all shows, let's just say, that's the nicest show you could do, right, because I'm a nice guy. I ain't trying to kill nobody. Then Sports Sports Nation turns into speak for yourself with Whitlock. Now, people got that show wrong. People thought that show was like because Witlock's on it, Oh, y'all went in Nah, I mean that time era was the going in era because everybody was being political, so everything was color based and political, so we had to kind of go deeper than sports. But Welock going to the family show, cousin Darnell, Uncle, Jimmy me kind of like more like little brother, but more like probably like uncle or brother to Whitlock. But Wlock led the show. Whitlock would do the monologue do to the topics. I don't like doing topics. Our show found that out day one. He was like, he was all scared and nervous. He's like, mar shows, what we're going on on topics? How we're gonna you know building? I was like you doing he yeah're gonna talk about eight things I know, the Cowboys or Dak Jerry Jo Lakers Like. I was like, oh, you figure out the topics. And he had a skill at it, so it's not like I just said do it and he sucked at it. He was better than me at it. But I was like, I don't care. Ask me any question. I will answer it, and I'm prepared by my experience. That's my expertise. So yeah, that show as well, But I never was like that the person that got killed. When you watch them play, you gotta always check the source. That's why I bring in this story up. Now, this is not related to Steve Smith's necessarily going on Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy's giving him enough ammunition to go there. But I just wanted y'all to see what a bad relationship with the media and the athlete looks like, how it's actually through lived out through their work taking slants. Man, it's crazy. So to me, I always felt the media's job was to be the bigger person. Take that l you know why, because nobody is really checking for you. Ultimately, yeah, you're a nice pass through, but we there to watch the damn players play. Were there to hear about the game. TV shows, day shows, you know, daily shows are there as commercials for the live entertainment for the actual games. That's why there are so many of these daily shows, commercial shows to get y'all excited, storylines, beat it up, make everybody, and then they pay billions for the media rights for the leagues. So y'all watch the live events, watch the games. Don't get it twisted. This stuff ain't built on daily shows. This stuff is built on the live events, and the daily shows support it. That's why when you see anybody going in on the player, you need to be like, hey, bruh, Okay, I get it if it's justified, But are you just being negative because he don't like you, you don't like him? You know, the whole stephen A Kyrie stuff. I don't know the bottom of that one, but I do know he said it was personal. So that's what I'm talking about now, y'all get back to the topic right here. Y'all think they should be trading? Y'all want the Broncos to go away? I can hear it right now. But do y'all think should trade Jerry Judy? Let me know, beat it up in the comments and you think they really should trade them now? After what he was doing acting out and then that wasn't the best game we ever seen, Jerry Judy? What you were acting out about? And what you think an event like this does in terms of highlighting the relationship between medium players, right, like, is this enlightening to you guys or just like dub food, we been new that they don't like you, ain't gonna say nothing good about you. Want to know where you guys were and where you guys are in terms of relationship between players and the media. Hoo, nothing harder than riding a horse when it wants to run. A horse running is hell to pay. You got a weigh eighty three pounds of do that? Because God, am my verte bra, ahm my vertebra. Oh, I ain't forget my song right now? Got no doom doom? Do what's backpos again? Domes see how you know the lyrics right first? So then I looked it up and I said, I all snapped one of my favorite song ever in terms of getting me hype. It was in Colors Gone Girl, She's like, well, back once again popularned the man. It's eighty seven y'all, it's the real rock saying or something like that. I was like, what, forget all that? See forget all that. I told y'alln't know lyrics, but I do know how hype I got off of that song. To this day, play go On Girl by rock sayne chante. It's insane. Now what is she really saying? I'm like, what, oh man, I can't get it. Oh, we're back once again a popular demand. It's eighty seven, y'all, so no more rock saying. Man, she flowed that because I swear she said till the seminole for the real rock saying love for you guys. Man, go to Project transition dot org. I'll keep it light, levity Baby, Project transition dot org. Help these ity biddies get to where they want to be in life, make their dreams a reality. And if you leave a recurrent donation weekly, monthly, the book is yours. Just for beginnings, just for starters. Okay, ah, this topic right here, Okay, I know some people are like man, y'all need to talk like men. I don't do well when somebody calls me out the blue when we have a problem. When you never called me when we didn't have a problem, So that means we don't really have a relationship like that. Stephen A. Smith and I are super cool when we see each other. We have never went out our way to see each other, so therefore he's not gonna call me. And I just told y'all, I'm never calling nobody just because we got a problem for real, because I don't have no problem with you like that. Like I point out issues, if you don't like him, fix the issues or swallow it and move on. Who cares about what I'm talking about? Right? So, I'm not that guy. I'm also not the guy that when I see you all of a sudd let's get a sidebar. Hey man, Hey, hey, I ain't like what you said. It's been four months since I said it, but you still want to talk about it now, making a little spectacle and seeing so people could read our body language like, oh they talking. That's how that's how things get twisted on me, you know what I'm saying. That's how my cousins start calling me up. Hey, we good Wiley. I don't need them, y'all don't need none of that, right, I don't do any of that fake communication. We gonna be the same. Dog. I ain't mad at you. You better not be mad at me, because I'm gonna grab your shoulder. Last person that was mad at me, I saw him out. I told you, spe'st all this talk, all this wolf. I'm gonna protect him right now, y'all gets through it. Put my hand on this trap like this, got pictured with him and everything. Man, you better calm down with all that. Stop huffing and puffing. Ain't nobody mad at you, and you better not be mad at me. Got him in that picture. He ain't smiling but I am jeez so love for all these dudes. Man. But hey, people are like, well, y'all still talking about this, y'all still talking about the Cowboys every day. Y'all still talk about Dag every day. Y'all still talk about Lebron and he Lebron sneezed yesterday, bless you, Lebron? You know, is that a topic on all these shows? So the content is the content. I talk about all types of things. Y'all are the ones who like certain things, and I ain't mad at it. Why y'all gotta fight with y'all? Like god, Lee, it's like a groupie. I used to tell my homegirls that I knew were groupies. I call them a groupie. But you're a groupie? What you mean, grow? I was like, who you dated the last five dudes? I said, they all my teammates. I said, you're a group You like NFL players, or you like dudes they got money, you like dudes in shape, whatever, you like, fame, whatever. But what you ain't gonna do is sit here say you don't like it. Why that ain't helping? None of us admit it. Oh nah, it's just coincidence. The last five dudes, I know you know that play with you. If you can't admit who you are, then what can you talk about? And that's the crux of this conversation. Who y'all ain't know where I was going on? Boy boy, I tell you I think it's somewhere. Jason Whitlock framed all of this in his response to stephen A. Smith about honesty, saying that Stephen A. Smith is not being honest. Therefore that's where all this collateral asteroids damage is coming from. You're seeing stephen A. Smith come out in all these different pieces. Right, you thought stephen A Smith was this, but then you're like, all right, you thought this about Max. Then it turned until you thought this about Max, and then this about Max, and that about Max. And a year later, still talking about Max and this and this, and the story is changing. It's all these little pieces and like like asteroids. If you guys know, collateral damage was occurring to Stephen A. Smith's brand, and Whitlock suggests it's because he's not being honest. But don't take my words for it. Let's listen to Jason Whitlock map out what Stephen A. Smith did in response about the honesty let's talk stephen A.

Welcome back to more to It to show the text a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment, and culture. Start with headline news and then journey to deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented in every single story. I'm your host, Marcel Swally. That dude, bet us continue to go to Wallywinds dot com. I see y'all right there, ready for the prop best, right? Come on, why let's get this thing going. Who gonna lose their chin strap first? To some of them? Some random old prop best right, But we're gonna play some black jack, some war, some spades, some greens. We're gonna be eating some greens. Like, we're just gonna be playing, right, Wileywinds dot Com. Look forward to you guys signing up. I see you guys already who have those who haven't. I will give you one hundred and twenty five percent sign up bonus when you log on. Think about that. You give me a dollar, I get you a dollar in the quarter. Go ahead, go ahead, let's play. Let's have some fun. All right, y'all, y'all know how we start off every show, Well, what's up with that? Dude? Well, one thing that's up with me is y'all. See this right here, y'all, ooh ooh. I don't even gotta touch it. Y'all see that little connection that ear canal, lateral maniscus layers cl going all the way to my vertebrate. That next strip right there, that thing on fire, Courtney said, I need some of that shock icy hot. I don't know what. I don't even need the ice. I just need the hide. I need to burn this damn waters thing is catching me slipping, and I ain't gonna lie. This is one of those injuries that you get irritable about. Right, you just get a little shorter fuse because your neck on fire. Like it's like when your back hurts. You just don't want to do jack. Your neck on fire. You be like what cause you can't turn your head. So somebody calling you over there, and immediately I think in your brain like your primal brain is like dog, you know, my neck hurt and I can't turn to see you. So you go like this what it'd be an? What? Oh? Yes, how you doing? God? That thing on fire? I don't know what the stop. I got the massage already, I need another one. Anyway, enough for my complaints. I had a great meeting yesterday for Project Transition LATOC. Yes, shout out to them and our new partnership. That basically means we're gonna be doing toy drives, holiday giveaways, special needs resources and support. Uh, They've got a three on three basketball tournament in it. I will not be playing. I suck at basketball. I am such a stereotype in basketball until the game starts. I'm always gonna be the first pick. Like I go to a random gym right now, it marshus first pick. You just wasted your cap space. Your cap is ruined. Soon you pad me the ball and be like, what disease? What do these these round ball through? I suck at basketball almost on purpose now because I'm like, I ain't gonna learn it and my body ain't gonna cooperate for me to go out there and do it. So forget y'all stereotype of me last pick. Y'all should have seen through all of this size, this color and saw that I couldn't play no ball. Oh well they couldn't see Brady could play ball as well as pick one ninety nine. So I'm the opposite of that. But they got that. We got a pick a ball tournament that we're gonna create. Now that's what I can do to today. I die so tremendous meeting there. Shout out to Lisa, Shout out to Mark. We had a great time. Appreciate you guys and the connection and the partnership. Other than that, we got a new household BCS rankings. Yes, in our house we rank everything. We compete about everything. Yep, all y'all sending y'all kids to my kids' school, sending them to me the coach in basketball and football. First thing I say is, y'all know we competing, right, This ain't pe. You don't get no credit just showing up. You better put in work. And we're competing against ourselves first, then around our teammates next, and then the opponent last. We compete and I'll be like, oh, your mam and daddy told you you shouldn't compete and the score doesn't matter. Tell them I said they're lying. Do I say that? Though, kinder, I'd be like, just tell them you've heard different, right, you know what I mean? But basically they lying? The hell you sending this kid to meet tomorrow? The points don't matter as long as you get to have fun. Hell, no, ain't no fun if you ain't winning, Yes it is. It ain't no fun. If you ain't winning, the team may not win, but you better be all right. Like cats out there not even caring. I like dog, you still don't know how to dribble. It's been eight weeks. At least make the ball go down. You can't even make it go down. He can't even let the ball go I'm like, man, God. So the point is, tell your kids you got to compete, get better than they were before. That's competition at its base level. All right, this show is powered by you. You remember that in Minn Society, you the prey. Its powered by y'all. And Project Transition where we develop and amplify the inner power for the world to see so that you are greater than your greatest excuse log on the Project Transition dot org. You would get this book where a recurring donation get some love. Like my man, John Turner, respect for logging in from Covina, California. What's up Covina in Halms Covenion, Covina always made me think like that. John Turner's salute to you and Jordan Moseley. I see you out there, big dog, Fort Washington, Maryland. Just feels like I should salute anybody that lives in Fort Washington, Maryland. Respect to you as well as your support. Right, speaking of support, let's talk about Pat McAfee out there supporting everybody that comes on his show. Pat is paying, girl. When did this ever become the thing? Pat is paying those who come on this show for interviews. He's paying Aaron Rodgers, etc. Right. He tricking for talking? He tricking, girl, And I love it. I love it. I love his honesty, and I love the fact that he even had that model in place. But let's talk about it. So, he believes there's significant value in paying athletes, coaches, et cetera for their time and access to interviews. He sees it as a mutually beneficial arrangement. And we all know why because if Pat McAfee gonna make some money, why can't they make some money? Right? So McAfee argues that if someone is making money from interviews like he is, the future guests should also receive fair compensation. WHOA, and this was a model that wasn't in existence for a long time, right, cats would be like it's an honor, it's a privilege to use our platform. So therefore we will offer you platform time in the amount of five minutes, and you will do it for free, or else we'll give it to someone else. That's how they used to come at cats, right. He believes it's the right way to operate, the way that Pat McAfee is doing. Hook them up while they're talking. He says, quote, if somebody's making money off of this, I'm making money off of this. If nobody's making any money, and it's all for good will, I'm making no money as well. Keeping it congruent. If I'm getting some, you getting some, right, And if you're not getting anything, is cuz I'm not getting anything. Simple as that. To give is to get, to get is to give. Say it, Pat McAfee, say it with your chest. So, he reportedly pays Aaron Rodgers significant amount for his appearances on the show, and he acknowledges that Aaron Rodgers deserves even more than what he's given them for his contributions, even though I couldn't find out what that amount is. But y'all tell me if y'all know. So, he says Aaron deserves much more than what he's gotten for the time and effort he's put into Aaron Rodgers Tuesdays and being real whatever Pat McAfee was before Aaron Rodgers, that bump, that was a bump, and Aaron Rodger, You're like, it wasn't even so much the content. Because I ain't gonna lie. I have not sat through one Aaron Rodgers Tuesday interview. I can't, I don't. I don't do it like that. However, salute to the show, salute to what they have created, salute to their growth, all that. But I do know from the outside looking in, damn, it was just a cred You got Aaron Rodgers every Tuesday, kind of like whitlock, you know, say what you want. You got Brett Fahr and warrensapp Air, which interesting right now he need to ask bread Far about that damn welfare. That's kind of awkward, though. We're gonna have that conversation with time, because I'm gonna tell y'all why. I don't know if he has or not, but I keep reading comments he hasn't. But I can tell you why he hasn't if he hasn't, And I also can tell you why he has if he has, but y'all gotta tell me the truth. Has he asked Aaron as he as Bret far here about that money, about that chance because I was on welfare, so bro, it kind of mattered to me, you know what I mean. So McAfee highlights the tremendous growth of his company. He talks about, quote, our company went from being valued from anywhere between two to five million dollars a few years back to like over five hundred million right now, say it loud, Pat McAfee brings TV and I'm proud. Let's go. I'm not gonna tell you our evaluation right now, but it's higher than five million. Now I need to fast forward a couple of years and get over five hundred million. We'll see. But we valued up there more than that. Interesting some money here, all right? So Rogers was initially uncomfortable with the payments, Yeah, because he's so used to the old model. Everybody used to the old model old bottle. Is you lucky boy? You lucky to get on that ESPN? You lucky get on that YouTube? What? And they sold that dope all cut up like that, and we took it fitting all up in it crazy, right? So now the mindset's done changed. But McAfee explained the value to Aaron Rodgers, and he told him like, look, Aaron, you got to understand your value to what you bring it to us and the value we gonna get off of you. Quote. Aaron's very uncomfortable with that, obviously. Let me tell you what you have done for our company and you shut the f up. That is basically how this is gonna go. So basically, I mean, look, you ain't got a strong arm somebody too long, too hard to make him accept your money. But he had to convince him, like, dog, this is the way it's gonna go. This is how it's gonna be. And then he went on a little side note. He had to get a shot off on Andrew Mrshan Marshan from The New York Post, who he says portrayed the payments to Rogers in a negative way. He called him a rat, you know, a rat, like a big ass mouse with a bigger tap, called an ass a rat. You call somebody in New York a rat, that's bad because New York already full of rats. And then you one of them rats, one of them big ass subway rats who Andrew Marshan. He called him out. He said he tried to paint it in a way that makes him look bad as a person, right, and he din't like that. Okay, So this is nothing new in terms of conversation, but this is something new in terms of actually doing it. The real logistics, pragmatic way of processing payment for interviews. It's always been a concept. People were like, yo, I'm not getting paid. Really, they getting paid, They doing the show, they got commercial, everybody getting paid. It's kind of like being a college player or college football player for soung Like, everybody get paid around me and I ain't get paid and y'all need me to do the show and do the segments. Okay, So it's always been a conversation from being the former athletes, trust me. Now. I remember when jay Z came out shout out to jay Z and he he was like, y'all ain't putting me on no covers or y'all gonna have to pay me to put me on covers because y'all making money off of that damn magazine. Why am I gonna jump on your cover. I'm good, my album gonna sell. They know who I am. I'm fine. I remember he said. One of the lines towards that was magazine said, I'm shallow. I never learned to swim. Look at that word play, shallow and swim. I caught it. Still, they put me on the cover because I earned for them. Yeah, they talk all that noise, and that's what I wish athletes. I wish sports entertainment was up to had that courage back then. But we got it now. But back then you should have been like, y'all making all this money and y'all need me to fill these shows, or these shows don't look as authentic. You don't have the same level of credibility. You ain't got no athletes on here, You don't have any of the real players on here. So I wish we would have done that before. And it kind of reminds me of y'all. Tell me are some things that make you go h? Like you remember that that what was that? A living color? Or some things that make you go h. And what makes me go home is why weren't athletes getting paid by networks to be on a sports show talking about athletes when they were making money off the athletes and all these college players and we focusing on the NCAA and amateurism and then we professionals and you getting you're paying a dude interview with me? And who is he? He went to Syracuse for journalism. So sell that you better asked me some questions. Sell that now you got some money, right, all these ads is about you got Peyton manning ooh, and Pey man ain't getting paid for it back in the day. Now you're getting paid for it. He got Simocasz all that stuff, right, but back of the day, now we ain't gonna pay you getting paid for the coats. The coats and the Broncos got your money. You just come on here for free, right right? It's crazy, all right? So that made me go, my worn't athlete's getting paid before Wait a minute, and here's another thing that always makes me go, why wouldn't you go to the airport? Do you tip the skycap the guy on the curb with that little dolly? But if you walk ten feet inside to that attendant behind the counter, they ain't getting no tip. And you still gotta lift your suitcase up to put it on the scale of the wag, oh cause they ain't got a dolly. Things didn't make you go what else? Why do we tip at a chain restaurant and stuff, you know, Starbucks or whatever it may be, And you tip when you go through the drive through. All right, let me get a number three, number three? Yeah, yeah, saft serve sir, large fries, extra crispy. No tomato on my burger, No tombato. You pull up to the damn side the first window. Oh, and they always got a sign, please pull up to the next window. This one's closed. You got that window? Why do I got two windows in one always closed? All right? Anyway, we go to the other window and you get there, and then they bring you this big ass long remote control, right, this long cable thing with a big old computer on it at the end, and here you go put your card in or scan it or or let it let it insert right all right? And then you're looking how much thirty nine thirty eight? Oh okay, and then it'd be like fifteen twenty five percent. Then it'll be like custom custom, all right, it's custom zero, does kidd? But but if you walked inside, which who walks inside? Only high school students walk inside restaurants? Now, like that, ain't no adult walking in, No damn Starbucks and stuff like that, do you do y'all? Really? Oh? Okay? And then you walked in there and then you that man take you out of You ain't get no tip? What you do? You just have it's right there already put my order in. It's kind of weird, right, things that make you go m Here's another thing that used to make me go home. When I was making money in the league and I was looking around and not taking my boys out. And I only took my boys out because I didn't want to go to the club by myself, Like I didn't really need them for the dinner part. They could have met me at the club. But I was like, all right, and it felt good to sharing it with your friends. Obviously I'm playing, but it feel that good. Because when the bill came, every single time everybody had to go peep and booboo. I was like, where y'all going? Bill? Bill? One thousand, two hundred and twenty six dollars thirty eight cents. Now I know not to ask them because frankly, they ain't got it. And it ain't that conversation. It's the conversation of what do you have? You got nine dollars? I see them dah, you got on a lot Oo's bro let me stop. You got on some fresh Jordan's. Come on, man, you ain't got nine dollars? Just yester, I always do this, No, no, no, I'm good if you say, hey man, I got twenty, I got twenty, homie, I'm the gester. Just the fact that somewhere in your being you thinking of this moment, I'm gonna hoook it up. But nope, things that made me go home? Why are my friends in offer to pay more all that stuff? So y'all tell me any more things that make you go head scratchers? Right? I want you to beat it up in the commons, send something so you'd be like, yeah, that is kind of weird. Why weren't athletes getting paid to be on TV shows that were about athletes, but everybody they are getting paid? Kind of weird? Right? Do you agree? I hope you agree. If the show is making money, interview, we should get paid as well. Right, let's see beat it up in the comments and monetization and everything might become inevitable. Y'all agree with that? Y'all think it should go there. If you can pay, you can pay. Everybody gett paid, right, let's just see what y'all think about that. But I'm really looking to see some more head scratching cases. Hook me up in those comments, y'all know I'm coming in how with a song, Aaron, When you say you love me, it doesn't matter, it goes into my head. It's just chit chatting, y'all. Me boy, that was the first beat that I said, Oh that's crispy. Remember the beat whip. It was like it was like snappy. It was like rice crispy treats. I was like, tastes good it was. It had like crackle too. I was like and Light was rapping, And that was back in the days when you didn't think a white person could rap. Then all of a sudden, beachie boys come out and be like, oh okay, and then you know, everlast and all that. It just kept going. Now, eminem you're like, am glad I lost that stereotype then, and then it was like, oh, girls can't rap emcy Light was I was because rock sayne Sha telling them like y'all loved the songs, hey, I was like, those ain't the same lyric But boy, oh, when I do rock sanning on here, I got a couple of rock Sanne songs that bang. But then EMC light went rapping. I was like, Oh, that's rapping for real, you know what I mean? So love to that. Shout out to mc light man for that love and the best voice in the game. She get paid a ton of money doing all them commercials, and you know what, we need some money, We need some commercials. We need to support Project Transition dot org. Hook it up, man. If you leave a recurrent donation, you get this book right here. Good book, good book, I would say so myself. All right, let's talk about when a player has beef with the media. Let's talk about Steve smith sor who was doing his job and then Jerry Judy was doing his job and then their jobs had some conflicts because of a war of words. Right, so to be started with reports that the Denver Broncos might trade Jerry Judy. This led to comments by y'all know who he is, strong man himself and I'm not talking about like in size and I ain't taling about the weight room. Steve Smith Senior just looked like dog that's a strong time that sucks up. I know him, But like Steve Smith Senior, like no punk allowed, Like what, like what Steve smiths here? I bet his middle name is, like what Steve what Smith's? Don't give a damn? And I love it all right, So Jerry Judy appear fired up responding to Steve Smith's comments by yelling at the TV camera. We saw it when he was warming up, all right, So Cee Smith Senior just basically like dog trade value, Like, first of all, you're gonna trade him? What's his value? Like what was Jerry Judy in the league right now? And in terms of those comments, so then Jerry Judy, this is so funny. Jerry Judy over there, Oh yeah, okay, whatever and playing I played too much football. Pregame used to impress me, like Pop Warner high school. Then you get older you start realizing, oh he looked like Tarzan play like Jane. Yeah, I still say that. I hate when people be like, don't say it. That shut up. Put eleven James on the field. See what I do. I'm coming out of retirement. I'm sacking the quarterback. It's a rap. That ain't no insult. That is really god Lee. That's like saying, oh, Marshalls, you don't have a six pack. That ain't no insult. That's reality. Get the six packs under there though, about four months of dedicated living. Man, I'm not insulted by reality. I'm insulting when you make shit up. That's what I'm like, what you're talking about? All right? So anyway, I looked at this and he went out there, all that wolfing in Oh, you know, two catches for one yard by halftime? Shut man? Shut up. In sports, you'd be like, man, shut up, Why are you bringing all this attention? You ain't doing nothing right. So that's leaning towards what Steve Smith said. Obviously, the Broncos lost in that game. They lost in Kansas City. Oh, they looking worse. I thought they were already bad. They looking at worse. I don't know what thing on. Russell Wilson gotta go that way, and you gotta get something going on, like Russell Willison got departed the franchise. They owe too much money. You know, they're gonna have to pay Sean Payton. Oh, divorce each other quickly. This is not working anyway. Let me get back on topic. So Steve Smith later went to Twitter. He know he won that war, that battle, just unfazed by the tensions. Clowning, taking issue none with it, and social media y'all let them up as well. I ain't even really want to talk about them going back and forth because I've seen that and I was like, whatever, Jerry Judy ain't playing that well right now for this team because in part, this quarterback ain't playing that word right now. So that hurts trade value as well. So y'all let them up on social media. Okay, So when I played, as y'all know my personality, watching this show, y'all start to realize I ain't had no beef with no damn media people. In part, I skipped the line to become a media member because I had no beef. I had tremendous relationships. They were like, Wyley, come here, oh pastor Hall of famers, walk by them, man, forget them foods. We like you, you talk for real, You're nice, you're sweet, you're cool, you're responsive, whatever, all that stuff whatever. But I did hear when I was playing Mad Dog say some stuff about me. I heard he said stuff about me. I never listened to mad I never listened to anything when I played. I was too busy focusing on what I was doing, which was playing or when I had down time. It wasn't to hear about what I did already, you know what I mean. I wanted to go out. I wanted to hang out. I wanted to be around my boys, my girl, whatever family. I was like, oh, iright, played, I don't want to hear about that. I ain't watching no show what I do alright, saw it, I watched film, so anyway, I only heard that now watching mad Dog. Now I can only assume what he said about me then that got all that attention. Now he was justified in saying it. When he said I was not good. I assumed he said I was sorry or something, because when they say something good about you, you don't hear about it, so he must say something bad about me. But I was playing bad, So saluke to you for saying it. Now. He probably put a little more color on it, a little more season salt on it than I would have liked to hear. But at the same time, I ain't tripped, all right, But I did see this a lot of beat writers who didn't get along with my teammates. This was the worst part. I ain't gonna say no names protect the guilty. They already played. Nobody cares. I saw beat writers who had beef with you, player X write articles daily and they were all slanted towards the negative, and they fooled everyone reading those papers because people thought that was reality based on what they were really feeling in terms of perception. They didn't like you, they didn't think you liked them, or they knew you didn't like them. Oh, they sold a negative reality, right, Give you some examples. Okay, if you're a beat writer and you care about somebody Marcellus, that third down when Barry Sanders ran around you, what was the play call? How come you guys didn't make that play versus Oh I don't like Marcellos. Guess what? And on third down Barry Sanders running towards Marcellus, who lost his containment and disciplined. We had a stunt. When you like you, they like you to ask you or they know we had a stunt. I had to go away, so technically that wasn't even my guy who really outside linebacker. But I ain't gonna throw them under the bus, and they wouldn't throw them under the bus. Yeah, Barry Sanders, this is how they write it when they like you. Barry Sanders making another miraculous play. That's why he's Barry Sanders goes around the corner and scores another touchdown. Buffalo down seven zero. Nobody took a shot, right, nobody got shot. They don't like you. Barry Sanders runs towards Marcell makes a makes a standard move. Wiley not able to keep contained on the plate. That's why I'm going at the media with the same energy B because I know how they did it, how they do it, I used to do it. I ain't right like that. I ain't say stuff like that. I don't, but I'm saying I used to hear about my boys, hear it about me a little bit, and I was like, oh, these suckers, And then you know, when I'm in the media, I'm like, god, Lee, this is part why I did a Sports Nation, which if all shows, let's just say, that's the nicest show you could do, right, because I'm a nice guy. I ain't trying to kill nobody. Then Sports Sports Nation turns into speak for yourself with Whitlock. Now, people got that show wrong. People thought that show was like because Witlock's on it, Oh, y'all went in Nah, I mean that time era was the going in era because everybody was being political, so everything was color based and political, so we had to kind of go deeper than sports. But Welock going to the family show, cousin Darnell, Uncle, Jimmy me kind of like more like little brother, but more like probably like uncle or brother to Whitlock. But Wlock led the show. Whitlock would do the monologue do to the topics. I don't like doing topics. Our show found that out day one. He was like, he was all scared and nervous. He's like, mar shows, what we're going on on topics? How we're gonna you know building? I was like you doing he yeah're gonna talk about eight things I know, the Cowboys or Dak Jerry Jo Lakers Like. I was like, oh, you figure out the topics. And he had a skill at it, so it's not like I just said do it and he sucked at it. He was better than me at it. But I was like, I don't care. Ask me any question. I will answer it, and I'm prepared by my experience. That's my expertise. So yeah, that show as well, But I never was like that the person that got killed. When you watch them play, you gotta always check the source. That's why I bring in this story up. Now, this is not related to Steve Smith's necessarily going on Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy's giving him enough ammunition to go there. But I just wanted y'all to see what a bad relationship with the media and the athlete looks like, how it's actually through lived out through their work taking slants. Man, it's crazy. So to me, I always felt the media's job was to be the bigger person. Take that l you know why, because nobody is really checking for you. Ultimately, yeah, you're a nice pass through, but we there to watch the damn players play. Were there to hear about the game. TV shows, day shows, you know, daily shows are there as commercials for the live entertainment for the actual games. That's why there are so many of these daily shows, commercial shows to get y'all excited, storylines, beat it up, make everybody, and then they pay billions for the media rights for the leagues. So y'all watch the live events, watch the games. Don't get it twisted. This stuff ain't built on daily shows. This stuff is built on the live events, and the daily shows support it. That's why when you see anybody going in on the player, you need to be like, hey, bruh, Okay, I get it if it's justified, But are you just being negative because he don't like you, you don't like him? You know, the whole stephen A Kyrie stuff. I don't know the bottom of that one, but I do know he said it was personal. So that's what I'm talking about now, y'all get back to the topic right here. Y'all think they should be trading? Y'all want the Broncos to go away? I can hear it right now. But do y'all think should trade Jerry Judy? Let me know, beat it up in the comments and you think they really should trade them now? After what he was doing acting out and then that wasn't the best game we ever seen, Jerry Judy? What you were acting out about? And what you think an event like this does in terms of highlighting the relationship between medium players, right, like, is this enlightening to you guys or just like dub food, we been new that they don't like you, ain't gonna say nothing good about you. Want to know where you guys were and where you guys are in terms of relationship between players and the media. Hoo, nothing harder than riding a horse when it wants to run. A horse running is hell to pay. You got a weigh eighty three pounds of do that? Because God, am my verte bra, ahm my vertebra. Oh, I ain't forget my song right now? Got no doom doom? Do what's backpos again? Domes see how you know the lyrics right first? So then I looked it up and I said, I all snapped one of my favorite song ever in terms of getting me hype. It was in Colors Gone Girl, She's like, well, back once again popularned the man. It's eighty seven y'all, it's the real rock saying or something like that. I was like, what, forget all that? See forget all that. I told y'alln't know lyrics, but I do know how hype I got off of that song. To this day, play go On Girl by rock sayne chante. It's insane. Now what is she really saying? I'm like, what, oh man, I can't get it. Oh, we're back once again a popular demand. It's eighty seven, y'all, so no more rock saying. Man, she flowed that because I swear she said till the seminole for the real rock saying love for you guys. Man, go to Project transition dot org. I'll keep it light, levity Baby, Project transition dot org. Help these ity biddies get to where they want to be in life, make their dreams a reality. And if you leave a recurrent donation weekly, monthly, the book is yours. Just for beginnings, just for starters. Okay, ah, this topic right here, Okay, I know some people are like man, y'all need to talk like men. I don't do well when somebody calls me out the blue when we have a problem. When you never called me when we didn't have a problem, So that means we don't really have a relationship like that. Stephen A. Smith and I are super cool when we see each other. We have never went out our way to see each other, so therefore he's not gonna call me. And I just told y'all, I'm never calling nobody just because we got a problem for real, because I don't have no problem with you like that. Like I point out issues, if you don't like him, fix the issues or swallow it and move on. Who cares about what I'm talking about? Right? So, I'm not that guy. I'm also not the guy that when I see you all of a sudd let's get a sidebar. Hey man, Hey, hey, I ain't like what you said. It's been four months since I said it, but you still want to talk about it now, making a little spectacle and seeing so people could read our body language like, oh they talking. That's how that's how things get twisted on me, you know what I'm saying. That's how my cousins start calling me up. Hey, we good Wiley. I don't need them, y'all don't need none of that, right, I don't do any of that fake communication. We gonna be the same. Dog. I ain't mad at you. You better not be mad at me, because I'm gonna grab your shoulder. Last person that was mad at me, I saw him out. I told you, spe'st all this talk, all this wolf. I'm gonna protect him right now, y'all gets through it. Put my hand on this trap like this, got pictured with him and everything. Man, you better calm down with all that. Stop huffing and puffing. Ain't nobody mad at you, and you better not be mad at me. Got him in that picture. He ain't smiling but I am jeez so love for all these dudes. Man. But hey, people are like, well, y'all still talking about this, y'all still talking about the Cowboys every day. Y'all still talk about Dag every day. Y'all still talk about Lebron and he Lebron sneezed yesterday, bless you, Lebron? You know, is that a topic on all these shows? So the content is the content. I talk about all types of things. Y'all are the ones who like certain things, and I ain't mad at it. Why y'all gotta fight with y'all? Like god, Lee, it's like a groupie. I used to tell my homegirls that I knew were groupies. I call them a groupie. But you're a groupie? What you mean, grow? I was like, who you dated the last five dudes? I said, they all my teammates. I said, you're a group You like NFL players, or you like dudes they got money, you like dudes in shape, whatever, you like, fame, whatever. But what you ain't gonna do is sit here say you don't like it. Why that ain't helping? None of us admit it. Oh nah, it's just coincidence. The last five dudes, I know you know that play with you. If you can't admit who you are, then what can you talk about? And that's the crux of this conversation. Who y'all ain't know where I was going on? Boy boy, I tell you I think it's somewhere. Jason Whitlock framed all of this in his response to stephen A. Smith about honesty, saying that Stephen A. Smith is not being honest. Therefore that's where all this collateral asteroids damage is coming from. You're seeing stephen A. Smith come out in all these different pieces. Right, you thought stephen A Smith was this, but then you're like, all right, you thought this about Max. Then it turned until you thought this about Max, and then this about Max, and that about Max. And a year later, still talking about Max and this and this, and the story is changing. It's all these little pieces and like like asteroids. If you guys know, collateral damage was occurring to Stephen A. Smith's brand, and Whitlock suggests it's because he's not being honest. But don't take my words for it. Let's listen to Jason Whitlock map out what Stephen A. Smith did in response about the honesty let's talk stephen A.

Smith not being honest here. Let me walk you through it. And I said this previously. If stephen A and give you a couple of examples of just how he was dishonest in that conversation. Uh, you know, he says he wants to do no harm and says then how much he loves Marcellus and he's not gonna disrespect him. But the first thing he says in the a passive aggressive shot, clear as day. It shouldn't go over anybody said, I'm assuming he's doing more than that podcast, because you know, he's a really super smart brother. What he just said was a shot at Marcella's I'm stephen A. Smith, I got first take. I'm making ten million dollars a year. I'm hoping that this Ivy League brother, Marcellus Wiley is doing more than a podcast. That was a shot at Marcellus Wiley Clear's day after he said he wasn't going.

Smith not being honest here. Let me walk you through it. And I said this previously. If stephen A and give you a couple of examples of just how he was dishonest in that conversation. Uh, you know, he says he wants to do no harm and says then how much he loves Marcellus and he's not gonna disrespect him. But the first thing he says in the a passive aggressive shot, clear as day. It shouldn't go over anybody said, I'm assuming he's doing more than that podcast, because you know, he's a really super smart brother. What he just said was a shot at Marcella's I'm stephen A. Smith, I got first take. I'm making ten million dollars a year. I'm hoping that this Ivy League brother, Marcellus Wiley is doing more than a podcast. That was a shot at Marcellus Wiley Clear's day after he said he wasn't going.

To take any shots.

To take any shots.

But again, he's not in a position where he can be honest and say what he really thinks. He then goes on to say, I don't want I don't want to harm anybody, and this is all as he's talking about me, he doesn't want to harm anybody, but then he starts taking shots at me. I'm up here and he's down here. And then the real he's taking is uh and Jason or fat bastard me. He's built his entire career on maligning and smearing black people. What he's done is he's in hot water with his with black Twitter, black audience, whatever. He's in hot water with them. His dispute with Max Kellerman and Marcellus Wiley isn't going well, and so what he's saying to the audience, and the whole purpose of why he did this segment on Marcella's was that so he could direct the animus. Hey, I know y'all mad at me. I know y'all think I was wrong for criticizing Max. I know what Marcella's said, y'all are buying into. But let me redirect your attention over to Jason Whitlock. He's the real bad guy.

But again, he's not in a position where he can be honest and say what he really thinks. He then goes on to say, I don't want I don't want to harm anybody, and this is all as he's talking about me, he doesn't want to harm anybody, but then he starts taking shots at me. I'm up here and he's down here. And then the real he's taking is uh and Jason or fat bastard me. He's built his entire career on maligning and smearing black people. What he's done is he's in hot water with his with black Twitter, black audience, whatever. He's in hot water with them. His dispute with Max Kellerman and Marcellus Wiley isn't going well, and so what he's saying to the audience, and the whole purpose of why he did this segment on Marcella's was that so he could direct the animus. Hey, I know y'all mad at me. I know y'all think I was wrong for criticizing Max. I know what Marcella's said, y'all are buying into. But let me redirect your attention over to Jason Whitlock. He's the real bad guy.

Okay, h It's funny like Wolock and I still text. I'm hana talked to him in a while. We have and when the wally's in the while, Waly's his spot that he hit me to that everybody's spot in la He put me up on some cossager gooness. He will forever be my friends because cossageress is the best the killer in the world. And I had no idea what it was until Whitlock took me out. Here we go. You know me, I love the truth more than any of these fools, and I love them all. Wedlock is right about this. Stephen A is being dishonest with the public about how he really feels. And that's why he couldn't shut up. He was sitting on rocks. You ever lied to somebody, and then because the lie is eating you up, you keep going on with the lie. You keep doubling down on the line, You keep suggesting more with the lie. When the first layer, the first level of that lie, was good enough. You fool whoever you were trying to fool. But that's the two people remind me of why it's just so important to tell the truth. Two sets of people, my parents and me being a parent now and the police. Let me tell you the truth. My parents at first, because they used to always catch me in my lies, I couldn't believe it. I mean, I don't know if you guys grew up the same way. Maybe your parents didn't catch you. My parents were very attentive. My parents were always there for me. My parents were always listening and watching. You could call them a helicopter parent, but I actually I called them a real parent. And all the other parents are absentee. There's no such thing as a helicopter parent. There's a parent who ain't just paying attention. Stop making the negative for the one who is paying attention. No, let's make a negative for the ones who ain't. Who was like, Oh I gotta go work, Oh I got another trip, I gotta go here. Oh yeah, I was busy. Oh I was tired, and I just let them go outside and play. So anyway, my parents just to catch me in all my lies. Now I ain't lying to him, so look, they ain't have to hit that many damn hits. But every time I try to lie, they caught me. The other thing is the police. You know your Miranda rights, And it's funny, just the few encounters I've had with the police, and several encounters that I've witnessed from my friends, etc. When you lie, they figure it out, and they figure it out because of your lies. Not so much that you threw them off the sin. They just listen to you, and logically, sooner or later, the beginning won't add up to the end. Sooner or like, they just let you lie, and you gonna feel compelled to keep lying because lies eat you up. You're sitting on rocks, You're not comfortable you're doing this, so you gonna keep lying. And then finally they hang you with your own words. They ain't even gotta do no investigative work. They mad that it took this long, but they had to let you lie out like you bleed out. You lie out. Don't we all do that? Basically? When you lie, you who because when it's the truth, you ain't even gotta remember story. Somebody asked you twenty years like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. But when you lie, and you're like, I what did I tell him? And I think that's what happened with Steven A. Smith Top Layer. Steven A. Smith kept going everywhere top Layer trying to tell the truth, but since he was not being honest with himself how he really felt, it kept coming out different. Okay, so this is classic deflection right here. H and Whitlock called it. First things first, he doesn't want to go back and forth with me. Now I believe him. Mostly it's because he respects me and likes me and we never had a problem, but also because he knows I'm kind of going in with the truth and like, ugh, it's gonna force him to have to say the truth. What Whitlock is pointing out, But I caught that shot. That's why I know we ain't super cool. And it's okay. He has never called me in his life. I've never called him in my life, never been in his house. He's never been in my house. So that's the level of relationship. But it's still a great he the respect I have for him. However, the passive aggressive shot, like Whitlock pointed out of like I hope he's doing more than that. I took it like he can hide behind Like what, I hope you do more than that? Man, You're so capable, right, you're a two way player. I hope you're playing more reps than just those. I hope you're getting more catches and more receptions and more Russian attempts. Like he can play it off like, oh, I just want more for you because I think you're so amazing. But I took it like Whitlock took it like you're trying to shoot at me. And I'm not gonna go tip for tat with that, because Whilock made another great point that I don't look at life like that. I don't look at life like through the money lens only. I don't look at life through the title lens only. I don't look at life through the accolade lens only. You want to know why, for real, I ain't gonna give you no damn classic answer. I ain't gonna give you no damn mailing answer. You want to know why, because I've checked every one in them boxes and I know how it feels. And let me just tell you what Puffy was saying, more money won't problems. What he was really saying is this money didn't address all my issues. This money didn't address all my problems. So when you check that box, you start to realize, damn, there's way more to life than this. That's why I was on the quest. That's why I'm on the quest to do more, to give more, project transition, et cetera. That's why I said, let me be a hybrid, let me not take the Fox deal and go to New York a lot and do a show from there, even though it's the best show. But still point being, I didn't want and leave my family, not see my kids every single day. I ain't calling none of y'all out, but I'll be watching where y'all at. Y'all ain't with y'all family live it though? Do it provide for your family? Yeah? Mail them the money, go ahead, But if y'all want to shoot, trust me, I'm loaded, y'all. Flex I got next. I'm not gonna call y'all out, But watching these little passive aggressive attempts, Okay, there was a conscious choice by me to they still do things at home, to be at home with my family while still making money, while still having a business, while still giving to my community and growing a huge foundation. Those are different boxes for me, because when I played ball, I was traveling everywhere. Right when I was doing my shows, I was burstoling New York, then LA, and I was sitting still in LA. And even that box wasn't fully getting checked. Y'all gotta understand how deep this stuff is anyway, But I knew that he didn't want no smoke with me, and I don't want smoke. I want truth, But I knew we were gonna go back and forth because dishonesty, lyon and truth ain't gonna mix. Y'all gonna see through it as you guys did it, but to use me as a diving board to really go to the pool where he wanted to go, which is Jason Whitlock. It's kind of weak, but I saw through it, and he did it, took a shot at me, moved on to where he really wanted to go, deflect all of this heat that's coming at him for using the black Horse art, et cetera. He really wanted it to go to Jason Whitlock. Basically, he's sitting there like damn Wiley on my head. Who can I get? Who can I punch at? Who can I point at that could get him off me? It's the simple classic game of the Dozens Jones and whatever y'all call it, when we bagging on each other. I'm bagging on you, you bagging on me? You winning? You getting me? Guess what I do? First thing is you I got to pick what you laughing.