Can a 2,500-year-old monastic tradition teach us how to work and live better today?

In this episode hosted by Michelle Martin, Shoukei Matsumoto - Pure Land Buddhist monk, Harvard-trained thinker, author and Japan’s first secular monk-blogger - joins us to explore his upcoming book Work Like a Monk.

We unpack the profound link between outer order and inner clarity, and why cleaning is both a practice and a cognitive reset.

Shoukei reveals how imagined East–West conversations illuminate burnout, and how ancient guidance speaks to modern productivity.

We explore how to cultivate a “good ancestor” mindset with a long-view, and why what happens after you read a book is what can matter most.

A spacious, thoughtful dialogue for those seeking a calmer mind, a cleaner life, and a wiser way of working.