Ric Smith a former Secretary of the Department of Defence who led a review of "Homeland and Border Security" in Australia for the Rudd Government, talks to Ross about why he rejected the idea of a Home Affairs portfolio in 2008,and whether we need one now.

<div>Ric Smith a former Secretary of the Department of Defence who led a review of "Homeland and Border Security" in Australia for the Rudd Government, talks to Ross about why he rejected the idea of a Home Affairs portfolio in 2008,and whether we need one now.</div>

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