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My guest is the CEO and co founder of Path.

My guest is the CEO and co founder of Path.

Path provides tests, preparation tools for unlimited practice questions, full length exams, and personalized study plans for professional certification and IT, cybersecurity, and healthcare and many more. And it also supports students preparing for college mission exams such as SAT ACT, ged L SAT and gm AT and many more. We got a lot to talk about. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. Christopher Gray. How you doing Christopher?

Path provides tests, preparation tools for unlimited practice questions, full length exams, and personalized study plans for professional certification and IT, cybersecurity, and healthcare and many more. And it also supports students preparing for college mission exams such as SAT ACT, ged L SAT and gm AT and many more. We got a lot to talk about. Please welcome to Money Making Conversation Masterclass. Christopher Gray. How you doing Christopher?

And good Man? Thanks for having me.

And good Man? Thanks for having me.

First of all, Man, I've done a lot of interviews with people. They talk about S A T, they talk about a C T. Man, you stepped over to the mountaintop with your your program. When I hear certification and I T certification healthcare certification in the UH in cybersecurity plus G ed L S A T.

First of all, Man, I've done a lot of interviews with people. They talk about S A T, they talk about a C T. Man, you stepped over to the mountaintop with your your program. When I hear certification and I T certification healthcare certification in the UH in cybersecurity plus G ed L S A T.

G M A T man. That's a lot going on.

G M A T man. That's a lot going on.

How did you in a in a in a short short conversation, tell us how did you envision this particular app.

How did you in a in a in a short short conversation, tell us how did you envision this particular app.

Right, So, the way the way I kind of see path is that what we're trying to do is historically they think like the A C T S, A T G, MATT LSAD come to you and collects all these exams like really are make or break kind of make or break students and the ability to get into the college they want to, but also scholarships. Right, you have a new administration actually which is pushing for the reinstatement of these different of these exams and reliance on these exams, you know, for the excuse of a merit based rhetography.

Right, So, the way the way I kind of see path is that what we're trying to do is historically they think like the A C T S, A T G, MATT LSAD come to you and collects all these exams like really are make or break kind of make or break students and the ability to get into the college they want to, but also scholarships. Right, you have a new administration actually which is pushing for the reinstatement of these different of these exams and reliance on these exams, you know, for the excuse of a merit based rhetography.

But the problem is all with differentiates the.

But the problem is all with differentiates the.

Wealthy students and middle and lower midlitized students from being a due wellness test of preparation.

Wealthy students and middle and lower midlitized students from being a due wellness test of preparation.

You can go to capital in and.

You can go to capital in and.

Pay two three thousand dollars just to prepare for one of these tests. Most low income people of color cannot afford that, so they tend to not do well. Right, so we thought with AI being at the forefront of everything right now, we were able to kind of tackle this problem. Use AI to generate the same quality content that you would get at any of these other other platforms, and able to do it for extremely cheap and put all of the exams on the one roof so you don't have to go and pay for all these different things.

Pay two three thousand dollars just to prepare for one of these tests. Most low income people of color cannot afford that, so they tend to not do well. Right, so we thought with AI being at the forefront of everything right now, we were able to kind of tackle this problem. Use AI to generate the same quality content that you would get at any of these other other platforms, and able to do it for extremely cheap and put all of the exams on the one roof so you don't have to go and pay for all these different things.

Right, So, our goal is really about education accessible.

Right, So, our goal is really about education accessible.

And affordability, but in reality is the highest impact is that these tests have been historically been massive, various kids getting into selective schools or getting scholarships that they want simply because students can't practice enough and be able to do that. And then with entry level jobs like comp tier certifications, again same thing super expensive and it's a huge barrier for a lot of people.

And affordability, but in reality is the highest impact is that these tests have been historically been massive, various kids getting into selective schools or getting scholarships that they want simply because students can't practice enough and be able to do that. And then with entry level jobs like comp tier certifications, again same thing super expensive and it's a huge barrier for a lot of people.

And that's what we're trying to address.

And that's what we're trying to address.

Well, thank you for explaining that to me, because of the fact that my show Money Making Conversation Massacres is trying to bring down those barriers with information and you're the type of person that I try to connect the dots with. Now, when you talk about you know, the traditional online and traditional app.

Well, thank you for explaining that to me, because of the fact that my show Money Making Conversation Massacres is trying to bring down those barriers with information and you're the type of person that I try to connect the dots with. Now, when you talk about you know, the traditional online and traditional app.

Base, they usually just do sat act.

Base, they usually just do sat act.

How were you able to go beyond that because that's the game change and for me, that's the reason I have on this show. And let's start with the certification part of your app, which is the IT, cyber and healthcare just to name a few.

How were you able to go beyond that because that's the game change and for me, that's the reason I have on this show. And let's start with the certification part of your app, which is the IT, cyber and healthcare just to name a few.

Yeah, so the reason why we're able to do everything is to use generative AI. Right, we don't have to go in automatic, we don't have to go in custom create all these different exam. AI allows us to give out we get weird to give our use unlimited practice exams, unlimited practice questions, in depth, step by self solutions, and we can predict what you're gonna make for you take the test, which is the big thing. Right, So you don't even need to go and take the acat LSADG MAT or cybersecurity exam if you don't know if you're going to pass it. It's like come Tia security plus it's four hundred dollars just to take the exam. So if you don't pass your first track, you got to pay another four hundred dollars. And then that's just for one of them. They're like fourteen different COMPTI asserts. Right, so if you and to do their prep, it's like five hundred dollars. You look at nine hundred dollars just to pass this test, right, so if you don't pass the first time, you have to do it again. And you know with cybersecurity jobs being really key, So the reason why we focus a lot on our professional certification side on it and healthcare because those are two of the most in demand fields that are always gone. So we do in collects so our ns, we do CNA exams you want to be a nurse. We also have practice so for people that want to become teachers, because I don't know, if you know, only four twenty four percent.

Yeah, so the reason why we're able to do everything is to use generative AI. Right, we don't have to go in automatic, we don't have to go in custom create all these different exam. AI allows us to give out we get weird to give our use unlimited practice exams, unlimited practice questions, in depth, step by self solutions, and we can predict what you're gonna make for you take the test, which is the big thing. Right, So you don't even need to go and take the acat LSADG MAT or cybersecurity exam if you don't know if you're going to pass it. It's like come Tia security plus it's four hundred dollars just to take the exam. So if you don't pass your first track, you got to pay another four hundred dollars. And then that's just for one of them. They're like fourteen different COMPTI asserts. Right, so if you and to do their prep, it's like five hundred dollars. You look at nine hundred dollars just to pass this test, right, so if you don't pass the first time, you have to do it again. And you know with cybersecurity jobs being really key, So the reason why we focus a lot on our professional certification side on it and healthcare because those are two of the most in demand fields that are always gone. So we do in collects so our ns, we do CNA exams you want to be a nurse. We also have practice so for people that want to become teachers, because I don't know, if you know, only four twenty four percent.

Of teachers actually passed to practical the first.

Of teachers actually passed to practical the first.

Try, and a lot of students of color who become teachers don't actually takes them three to five times to pass it. Sometimes they just stop, you know. So we are literally have the inability to prepare for the practice exam has caused a teacher shortage in our economy. Come TIA is I mean you can go and get jobs in the federal workforce or entry level jobs who's out a degree? You have to come TIA certification. So when you look at people earning more money, so imagine someone who doesn't have a degree just went to high school, had the ged. All they need to do is, you know, pass this exam and they can go out make an eighty starting salary eighty to one hundred K a year, right, So that's what we're trying to do. That's why it's so important to do that. But because we're able to use Generator that we are able to be able to compass all these different exams, be able to help as many people as possible, give them as much practice as they need. And the biggest thing that people like about PATH is that we're letting them know they're going to pass where they take the test, So they're like, hey, I'm about to go and take the test about knowing they're going to pass. So we're so being able to do that by default we save them money when more most people don't pass come Field the first time, so it's like they're likely spending almost eight hundred to one thousand dollars, so we're cutting We're saving all of these people thousands of dollars and ensuring they pass the exams, which which makes especially low income people of color be able to pass these exams, being able to get these certifications and get the jobs they need without having to wait, you know, to make extra money just to keep taking these exams over and over and over again.

Try, and a lot of students of color who become teachers don't actually takes them three to five times to pass it. Sometimes they just stop, you know. So we are literally have the inability to prepare for the practice exam has caused a teacher shortage in our economy. Come TIA is I mean you can go and get jobs in the federal workforce or entry level jobs who's out a degree? You have to come TIA certification. So when you look at people earning more money, so imagine someone who doesn't have a degree just went to high school, had the ged. All they need to do is, you know, pass this exam and they can go out make an eighty starting salary eighty to one hundred K a year, right, So that's what we're trying to do. That's why it's so important to do that. But because we're able to use Generator that we are able to be able to compass all these different exams, be able to help as many people as possible, give them as much practice as they need. And the biggest thing that people like about PATH is that we're letting them know they're going to pass where they take the test, So they're like, hey, I'm about to go and take the test about knowing they're going to pass. So we're so being able to do that by default we save them money when more most people don't pass come Field the first time, so it's like they're likely spending almost eight hundred to one thousand dollars, so we're cutting We're saving all of these people thousands of dollars and ensuring they pass the exams, which which makes especially low income people of color be able to pass these exams, being able to get these certifications and get the jobs they need without having to wait, you know, to make extra money just to keep taking these exams over and over and over again.

Open their path.

Open their path.

As you speak, Christopher, I get more and more excited about what you're talking about.

As you speak, Christopher, I get more and more excited about what you're talking about.

I'm talking to Christopher Gray.

I'm talking to Christopher Gray.

He's the CEO and co founder of Path and AI power platform transforming away students and professional prefare for critical exams. Now, let's talk about where can we find path or is there an app for a path?

He's the CEO and co founder of Path and AI power platform transforming away students and professional prefare for critical exams. Now, let's talk about where can we find path or is there an app for a path?

So Path, you can go to our website yourpath dot ai again.

So Path, you can go to our website yourpath dot ai again.

So your path while you while your path.

So your path while you while your path.

Yes and yep, your path dot ai or just google path test prep and we'll come right up. So go on Google Google Path test prep will come up. Google Path AI test Prep will come up right away, and then you'll you'll be direct to our platform so and so and just for just for example, like you go to kaplan to stay for the act and act and you have to pay for different ones. It's like twelve hundred dollars, sixty dollars or you can pay ten dollars a month, so we are.

Yes and yep, your path dot ai or just google path test prep and we'll come right up. So go on Google Google Path test prep will come up. Google Path AI test Prep will come up right away, and then you'll you'll be direct to our platform so and so and just for just for example, like you go to kaplan to stay for the act and act and you have to pay for different ones. It's like twelve hundred dollars, sixty dollars or you can pay ten dollars a month, so we are.

Usually sixty dollars. Did you say sixty dollars?

Usually sixty dollars. Did you say sixty dollars?

Yeah exactly, So yeah, I don cost then and then when I look at and through comp to you have about twelve different certifications to prepare for each of them, five hundred dollars for each preparation surgery, and then sixty dollars you get a prep for all of them.

Yeah exactly, So yeah, I don cost then and then when I look at and through comp to you have about twelve different certifications to prepare for each of them, five hundred dollars for each preparation surgery, and then sixty dollars you get a prep for all of them.

So you're saving literally.

So you're saving literally.

Thousands, let's say just put it out there, thousands of dollars preparing for jobs that can change your lifestyle and your future.

Thousands, let's say just put it out there, thousands of dollars preparing for jobs that can change your lifestyle and your future.

Within that, what's the preparation time?

Within that, what's the preparation time?

When you go and walk us through the steps of somebody who's interested in certification for SAT but let's go to I T I T certification, what's the what's the process?

When you go and walk us through the steps of somebody who's interested in certification for SAT but let's go to I T I T certification, what's the what's the process?

So a lot of people you want to you want to prepare for the course. So the BEAUTI A certificse you get the certification. That's a step that you know this mas heire and that can just get you the job. Right, So that's why it's really really important. So the step is that you want to prepare for the prepare do like cybersecurity courses. Either you can do it in college, community you can do a poor universities community college, you can stand on your own.

So a lot of people you want to you want to prepare for the course. So the BEAUTI A certificse you get the certification. That's a step that you know this mas heire and that can just get you the job. Right, So that's why it's really really important. So the step is that you want to prepare for the prepare do like cybersecurity courses. Either you can do it in college, community you can do a poor universities community college, you can stand on your own.

That's the beau the of it. Right.

That's the beau the of it. Right.

A lot of times you don't actually need to go to college to get certified in these exams, Like it's like the college courses actually teaching get certified because you can go and get the degree. But you have a certification, it doesn't matter, right. So so you so you want to take a course on cybersecurity. Then you want to take enough to where you are able to be prepared to take to come tea exam. You know the different and you and now they have Microsoft for jeer because I just come teas Microsoft for a Zure AWS, that's all. And we have a Zure and AWS and are on our platform too. We have all of them. So you want to be able to take the exam. So what you do is you take the course, then you go and try to certification the goals that you passing your first stry right, you're able to get the certification. Then when you're then in your job search, you're able to like just go to any search or any job that require comes to you and you're able to pofit. Those jobs. Again, you don't even need a degree. So if you're able to get those certifications, you're able to do that. And what's happening with it specifically is that AI is making cybersecurity and IT jobs go way up, right because now we need that AI is running around with AI agents doing this, AII just taking your credit card like all this impersonating people. There's going to be more of a need of cybersecurity certification. So that's one reason why come to you said we're going to come, you know, get the come to your certification. Brother used to be one fifty dollars. This year they made a four hundred. They said, look, we know y'all need this, so we go, we go make more money. Right, so we're seeing like that search. So that's the process. You find a way to educate yourself on cybersecurity, prepare to take the exam, and then get the certification. Paths in the middle where we're helping you prepare for the exam so you can get the certification and as many and may ensure that you pass on here first try saving you money and just make sure you get the job. And then we're also going to evolve into other things as well, because a lot of so because you could take one IT exam, but you have to take others, like sometimes you need three certificase the more you have, the better we have. So we put all that on one platform and make sure that if your job said, oh this is great, but to get this.

A lot of times you don't actually need to go to college to get certified in these exams, Like it's like the college courses actually teaching get certified because you can go and get the degree. But you have a certification, it doesn't matter, right. So so you so you want to take a course on cybersecurity. Then you want to take enough to where you are able to be prepared to take to come tea exam. You know the different and you and now they have Microsoft for jeer because I just come teas Microsoft for a Zure AWS, that's all. And we have a Zure and AWS and are on our platform too. We have all of them. So you want to be able to take the exam. So what you do is you take the course, then you go and try to certification the goals that you passing your first stry right, you're able to get the certification. Then when you're then in your job search, you're able to like just go to any search or any job that require comes to you and you're able to pofit. Those jobs. Again, you don't even need a degree. So if you're able to get those certifications, you're able to do that. And what's happening with it specifically is that AI is making cybersecurity and IT jobs go way up, right because now we need that AI is running around with AI agents doing this, AII just taking your credit card like all this impersonating people. There's going to be more of a need of cybersecurity certification. So that's one reason why come to you said we're going to come, you know, get the come to your certification. Brother used to be one fifty dollars. This year they made a four hundred. They said, look, we know y'all need this, so we go, we go make more money. Right, so we're seeing like that search. So that's the process. You find a way to educate yourself on cybersecurity, prepare to take the exam, and then get the certification. Paths in the middle where we're helping you prepare for the exam so you can get the certification and as many and may ensure that you pass on here first try saving you money and just make sure you get the job. And then we're also going to evolve into other things as well, because a lot of so because you could take one IT exam, but you have to take others, like sometimes you need three certificase the more you have, the better we have. So we put all that on one platform and make sure that if your job said, oh this is great, but to get this.

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I'm talking to Christopher Grave.

I'm talking to Christopher Grave.

If you're hearing this information and you're like, wow, I gotta find out where this is a go to your path dot ai that's your why. Oh you arepath dot ai and you get more information. Hey, Christopher, when I when I talk about this process because AI just popped on the scene recently, it's been around, but everybody's talking about it, like just by the last couple of years. When did you launch this company and when did you introduce AI into the process.

If you're hearing this information and you're like, wow, I gotta find out where this is a go to your path dot ai that's your why. Oh you arepath dot ai and you get more information. Hey, Christopher, when I when I talk about this process because AI just popped on the scene recently, it's been around, but everybody's talking about it, like just by the last couple of years. When did you launch this company and when did you introduce AI into the process.

So, actually just lost it last year, so August of last year. So so, but I came off my other company, Scholarly with health students find money for college. So I sold that company a year and a half ago then started this company. So it's just been around a year so and we've had a lot of success. We had thousands and thousands of people used the platform passing their example on the first try. We have people getting increasing their att score, increasing that school. We have schools using the platform. We have like cybersecurity becomings in the platform, have universities using the platform.

So, actually just lost it last year, so August of last year. So so, but I came off my other company, Scholarly with health students find money for college. So I sold that company a year and a half ago then started this company. So it's just been around a year so and we've had a lot of success. We had thousands and thousands of people used the platform passing their example on the first try. We have people getting increasing their att score, increasing that school. We have schools using the platform. We have like cybersecurity becomings in the platform, have universities using the platform.

So and you can you could just go and get it yourself too. You don't.

So and you can you could just go and get it yourself too. You don't.

You don't need to be a part of an organization to get it. But the idea is that we saw this problem and we saw that nobody of using this problem, using AI to solve this problem. We saw that everything in the market is like charging students thousands of dollars. And the reason they do it, they're like, we know you're going to pay us because we know that you are associating this purchase with like a higher income. Right, so we know that if you pay us three thousand dollars you're going to make you know you're going to go and we're unlocking one hundred thousand dollars a year for a year or something like that.

You don't need to be a part of an organization to get it. But the idea is that we saw this problem and we saw that nobody of using this problem, using AI to solve this problem. We saw that everything in the market is like charging students thousands of dollars. And the reason they do it, they're like, we know you're going to pay us because we know that you are associating this purchase with like a higher income. Right, so we know that if you pay us three thousand dollars you're going to make you know you're going to go and we're unlocking one hundred thousand dollars a year for a year or something like that.

Right.

Right.

But the thing is, at the same time, of course, when people of color are not you know, that's the that's the So the thing about this AI race is that at the end of the day, as trained on something. And when you have people who think like that, they're thinking, oh, they're thinking they're brothers. They're thinking of people that look like them, that come from the same background they come from. Who can afford to pay three thousand dollars, right, take a a person of color, we from a little arge background. I have another lens where Okay, I see how this stuff is just as important as you are. But I know that not only do I want to make this more affordable, but actually, from a financial perspective, it's better business to make this more affortable because I get to take your market and I get a larger market people, So I end up making more money and helping more people that would not have been able for that's not able.

But the thing is, at the same time, of course, when people of color are not you know, that's the that's the So the thing about this AI race is that at the end of the day, as trained on something. And when you have people who think like that, they're thinking, oh, they're thinking they're brothers. They're thinking of people that look like them, that come from the same background they come from. Who can afford to pay three thousand dollars, right, take a a person of color, we from a little arge background. I have another lens where Okay, I see how this stuff is just as important as you are. But I know that not only do I want to make this more affordable, but actually, from a financial perspective, it's better business to make this more affortable because I get to take your market and I get a larger market people, So I end up making more money and helping more people that would not have been able for that's not able.

To afford that.

To afford that.

And for context, when I was in high school, I have to go carry these little big att books around and you got like one or two practice and then once that you didn't there's nothing else and you have to like go and buy another course. And then my mom, you know, we can afford twove hundred dollars to pay for a prins to review and all that stuff.

And for context, when I was in high school, I have to go carry these little big att books around and you got like one or two practice and then once that you didn't there's nothing else and you have to like go and buy another course. And then my mom, you know, we can afford twove hundred dollars to pay for a prins to review and all that stuff.

So that was a big barrier.

So that was a big barrier.

Right, So now if I have paths, I can just do a study as many times I want predict when I run to take the exam and then be able to do better. So you're gonna, I think we're going to see that. I you know, everyone's trying to figure out how do we fight or go again, you know, do what we need to do for this new administration. And I think that if they bring up college, if they reinstate college interest exams or become more certification, because you know, they've already said they're going to try to re allow pilgramts to be used for like boot camps and other things.

Right, So now if I have paths, I can just do a study as many times I want predict when I run to take the exam and then be able to do better. So you're gonna, I think we're going to see that. I you know, everyone's trying to figure out how do we fight or go again, you know, do what we need to do for this new administration. And I think that if they bring up college, if they reinstate college interest exams or become more certification, because you know, they've already said they're going to try to re allow pilgramts to be used for like boot camps and other things.

So that's already got to happen.

So that's already got to happen.

So we want to make sure that we're at the forefront when when they're coming back and saying you need to make this score to get into college, to get this college, you need to this certification. We want to be on the forefront of that using AI to make sure that our people can get these certifications, get into college and still not have to pay thousands.

So we want to make sure that we're at the forefront when when they're coming back and saying you need to make this score to get into college, to get this college, you need to this certification. We want to be on the forefront of that using AI to make sure that our people can get these certifications, get into college and still not have to pay thousands.

Of dollars, you know, and having that be a barrier.

Of dollars, you know, and having that be a barrier.

First of all, Christopher, you're a good communicator that helps and to convey this message. But let me give more detail on this because of the fact that you said, Rishan, why are you excited about PATH? Because I do a lot of sat ACT interviews and those are about youth. That's about teenagers and parents trying to encourage them for a better.

First of all, Christopher, you're a good communicator that helps and to convey this message. But let me give more detail on this because of the fact that you said, Rishan, why are you excited about PATH? Because I do a lot of sat ACT interviews and those are about youth. That's about teenagers and parents trying to encourage them for a better.

Life, which is fantastic. It never really talks.

Life, which is fantastic. It never really talks.

About adults because adults are moved on where the PATH program gives you certification opportunities and what I call adult jobs where they may not want to go to college. They may have graduated from high school already and they can go in get their GA d j ED.

About adults because adults are moved on where the PATH program gives you certification opportunities and what I call adult jobs where they may not want to go to college. They may have graduated from high school already and they can go in get their GA d j ED.

If they didn't graduate, they can go in and.

If they didn't graduate, they can go in and.

Get it, certification of cyber certification, healthcare certification. All these things are important. If you an adult listening to this now, they.

Get it, certification of cyber certification, healthcare certification. All these things are important. If you an adult listening to this now, they.

Still do the A set, they still do the ACT.

Still do the A set, they still do the ACT.

If you're a parent and you want to get your child involved in academic training for these test scores, they do that. I don't want to leave that part of their program off because that's very important. But I also know that this is a program that young adults, adults in their thirties, people want to do career changes can take advantage of what PATH is bringing to the table.

If you're a parent and you want to get your child involved in academic training for these test scores, they do that. I don't want to leave that part of their program off because that's very important. But I also know that this is a program that young adults, adults in their thirties, people want to do career changes can take advantage of what PATH is bringing to the table.

Am I correcting what I'm saying there.

Am I correcting what I'm saying there.

Christopher, exactly. And also if you're going to grad school, we cover g e G.

Christopher, exactly. And also if you're going to grad school, we cover g e G.

MATT, LSAT and MCAT too, So like if people are going to grad school, that's the big thing, and that's actually those tests are more expensive to study more than any of them. Right, So if you want to be a lawyer, if you want to go to grad school, if you want to Jerry, if you want to go to business school, if you want to go to med school, we help that. We cover that too. And it's exactly as you said, right, like we our goal is to give the same quality content but reducing the price to make that more for it, but also helping people out.

MATT, LSAT and MCAT too, So like if people are going to grad school, that's the big thing, and that's actually those tests are more expensive to study more than any of them. Right, So if you want to be a lawyer, if you want to go to grad school, if you want to Jerry, if you want to go to business school, if you want to go to med school, we help that. We cover that too. And it's exactly as you said, right, like we our goal is to give the same quality content but reducing the price to make that more for it, but also helping people out.

And I do believe that we're moving.

And I do believe that we're moving.

To a more skill certification based society where like a certific being able to be certified and something is going to mean more than a degree because we're seeing that there are people with your degree so they went to this X amount school and then come in and can't really do anything. So like you know, versus their people who didn't go to college, who actually spent four years learning a skill, who are being certified as something, you know, it end up being more valuable.

To a more skill certification based society where like a certific being able to be certified and something is going to mean more than a degree because we're seeing that there are people with your degree so they went to this X amount school and then come in and can't really do anything. So like you know, versus their people who didn't go to college, who actually spent four years learning a skill, who are being certified as something, you know, it end up being more valuable.

So let me ask you this question to your scholar right, scholars scholarly right.

So let me ask you this question to your scholar right, scholars scholarly right.

Yeah, schli was my company that I used to have.

Yeah, schli was my company that I used to have.

Yeah, okay, cool, Now that was successful for you and there's the same academic So it gave you the basis for path right, it gave you the foundation and the credibility to achieve the levels of certification and approved certification that you are using now on path.

Yeah, okay, cool, Now that was successful for you and there's the same academic So it gave you the basis for path right, it gave you the foundation and the credibility to achieve the levels of certification and approved certification that you are using now on path.

Am I correct in saying.

Am I correct in saying.

That, yep, yep, okay cool.

That, yep, yep, okay cool.

Now you're on Shark Tank. Why did you go on Shark Tank?

Now you're on Shark Tank. Why did you go on Shark Tank?

I went on at the college students and I was graduating graduate in college my senior year and I went on shark I mean it was the visibility I was able to get Damon John and Logan here and investors and I don't know if you know, but like we you Sarty the biggest fight in Shark tank history, which.

I went on at the college students and I was graduating graduate in college my senior year and I went on shark I mean it was the visibility I was able to get Damon John and Logan here and investors and I don't know if you know, but like we you Sarty the biggest fight in Shark tank history, which.

Ended up going viral. You know, we just had tom success from that.

Ended up going viral. You know, we just had tom success from that.

But you know, shark Tank at the time, you know, at that that was the peak when you got like ten million views. That's like six seven million dollars that you Yeah, so, and most founders would have to raise capital to spend to get that. So, so Shark tank was just great and put us on the map.

But you know, shark Tank at the time, you know, at that that was the peak when you got like ten million views. That's like six seven million dollars that you Yeah, so, and most founders would have to raise capital to spend to get that. So, so Shark tank was just great and put us on the map.

It gave like instant.

It gave like instant.

Grand brand credibility and you know, you know, you may have heard it here first, but there's the chance I may be doing it again.

Grand brand credibility and you know, you know, you may have heard it here first, but there's the chance I may be doing it again.

So really, really, I've got to ask you, Christal, your platform sounds fantastic.

So really, really, I've got to ask you, Christal, your platform sounds fantastic.

They feel like they're generating the revenue.

They feel like they're generating the revenue.

Why would you want to go on a show and give a part of your your equity for feet when it seems like you can you can generate the revenue yourself.

Why would you want to go on a show and give a part of your your equity for feet when it seems like you can you can generate the revenue yourself.

I think it depends on how fast you want to grow. I think it depends on I'm scaling and end up being a little bit of teachers in terms of like if I want to do it or not. But I think, but I think you're right. But I think and I think that that's another conversation that's happening in the age of AI right now. You can build a strong business and it can be extremely profitable with very with a minimal head count, very little and very little money because now a lot of marketing and brand stuff, Like I have you how many ass I've seen that are like AI actors that are like and I'm thinking they're real people, right, you know, there's so much happening, so you can spend so little to start a company. Now you're seeing all over in the startup community their company making twenty thirty million dollars with ten people like right, like, So, I think you're right in the sense that you know, we're moving into a world where you can build a big business. It can make a lot of money. You don't need to do because people don't get the downsides of raising capital because people get, oh, I raised as much money. I'm I'm not, but they don't know. Once you get to.

I think it depends on how fast you want to grow. I think it depends on I'm scaling and end up being a little bit of teachers in terms of like if I want to do it or not. But I think, but I think you're right. But I think and I think that that's another conversation that's happening in the age of AI right now. You can build a strong business and it can be extremely profitable with very with a minimal head count, very little and very little money because now a lot of marketing and brand stuff, Like I have you how many ass I've seen that are like AI actors that are like and I'm thinking they're real people, right, you know, there's so much happening, so you can spend so little to start a company. Now you're seeing all over in the startup community their company making twenty thirty million dollars with ten people like right, like, So, I think you're right in the sense that you know, we're moving into a world where you can build a big business. It can make a lot of money. You don't need to do because people don't get the downsides of raising capital because people get, oh, I raised as much money. I'm I'm not, but they don't know. Once you get to.

Looted to you, you get aboard you.

Looted to you, you get aboard you.

Then you are selling knowledge on your equity, but you're selling the right to determine when you sell your company. So somebody can say, oh, oh here, you got one hundred million dollar offer to someone to buy your company. You may make sixty million from that. But the VC who you raised twenty million from, say, you know what, I got a three hundred million dollar fund that doesn't return my fund, So I'm going to block this deal and make you work another five years, so that BC just you just so it's like a fautistic bargaining with a devil's contract, where you you got all this person's money, right, and they gave you money. They gave you like a lot of money, so you got to do it. To say, but in exchange, you're also giving them the right to determine when you generate well for yourself. And that's what you're giving up, and that's not a good place to be in. And I will tell you I have friends who have had to turn down millions of dollars simply because their investor said this is not enough. It would have been life changing for them, but then that's like, well, this doesn't return my fund. So so I think you're right, you you it, you really need the exposure and the capital, do it because some parts you need it. But just but I think today you just got to make sure because you're right, you are giving a lot of your company and people don't get the the.

Then you are selling knowledge on your equity, but you're selling the right to determine when you sell your company. So somebody can say, oh, oh here, you got one hundred million dollar offer to someone to buy your company. You may make sixty million from that. But the VC who you raised twenty million from, say, you know what, I got a three hundred million dollar fund that doesn't return my fund, So I'm going to block this deal and make you work another five years, so that BC just you just so it's like a fautistic bargaining with a devil's contract, where you you got all this person's money, right, and they gave you money. They gave you like a lot of money, so you got to do it. To say, but in exchange, you're also giving them the right to determine when you generate well for yourself. And that's what you're giving up, and that's not a good place to be in. And I will tell you I have friends who have had to turn down millions of dollars simply because their investor said this is not enough. It would have been life changing for them, but then that's like, well, this doesn't return my fund. So so I think you're right, you you it, you really need the exposure and the capital, do it because some parts you need it. But just but I think today you just got to make sure because you're right, you are giving a lot of your company and people don't get the the.

Detail, the legal details that go into those deals.

Detail, the legal details that go into those deals.

The next thing, they don't want to put a board in place. Next thing, you know, they're gonna boot you out. You be worried about that, man, they vot you out of your own company, Okay.

The next thing, they don't want to put a board in place. Next thing, you know, they're gonna boot you out. You be worried about that, man, they vot you out of your own company, Okay.

Exactly, Yeah, I'm happy.

Exactly, Yeah, I'm happy.

Yeah, I'm happy you tell people that because that's a big thing that no one knows like you can get booted out your own company, and.

Yeah, I'm happy you tell people that because that's a big thing that no one knows like you can get booted out your own company, and.

They say the word board get nervous.

They say the word board get nervous.

Yeah, so literally like I that that is if you when you are negotiating any deal, you want to avoid a board or as long as possible, like raise when you have the leverage, because when you get a board, it's not even when you're giving up the equity. When you get a board, you are no longer in charge of your own company. Like some BC who got like an NBA who's never built anything in there in their life, is going to tell you that if you don't do this, if you don't make this decision, I'm gonna do this. It becomes you have people like you can fall out with the book like they can. Somebody can just not like you. Someone can do the person who you raise money profit can switch them out. They're people who just like they could just block a decision of ego. They could say, well, you know, I'll take this company, so you can't do this.

Yeah, so literally like I that that is if you when you are negotiating any deal, you want to avoid a board or as long as possible, like raise when you have the leverage, because when you get a board, it's not even when you're giving up the equity. When you get a board, you are no longer in charge of your own company. Like some BC who got like an NBA who's never built anything in there in their life, is going to tell you that if you don't do this, if you don't make this decision, I'm gonna do this. It becomes you have people like you can fall out with the book like they can. Somebody can just not like you. Someone can do the person who you raise money profit can switch them out. They're people who just like they could just block a decision of ego. They could say, well, you know, I'll take this company, so you can't do this.

You can't.

You can't.

They can turn with you yourself. So if you got two kids and you need a payers all day, right, no, you can. It gets very and people don't talk about that.

They can turn with you yourself. So if you got two kids and you need a payers all day, right, no, you can. It gets very and people don't talk about that.

People.

People.

You know, there was the CEO Uber who got booted out his company. Right, that was the big deal. You know, you've seen it happen a lot. And you know, something my zerker Berg did that nobody knew was that he actually kept he kept a lot of his he had he got a board, but he had a lot of protections where he basically essentially had a board but no one can outvote him.

You know, there was the CEO Uber who got booted out his company. Right, that was the big deal. You know, you've seen it happen a lot. And you know, something my zerker Berg did that nobody knew was that he actually kept he kept a lot of his he had he got a board, but he had a lot of protections where he basically essentially had a board but no one can outvote him.

Basically, it was like, okay, you have a board.

Basically, it was like, okay, you have a board.

But you know, Christopher, a lot of people don't know that. Something.

But you know, Christopher, a lot of people don't know that. Something.

When people invest in your company and they bring up the word board, they try to put a majority seats that they own. So if the board members are five, they might say we want three seats exactly yep.

When people invest in your company and they bring up the word board, they try to put a majority seats that they own. So if the board members are five, they might say we want three seats exactly yep.

And because and they do that alongside the other investments. When you're raising money, you're not like raiding from one firm. So in their mind, hey, you're the found that's operating the business, but we are collectively giving money to the business, and we want more board teath because we and we're giving you money, but we need the power to protect our investments, right right.

And because and they do that alongside the other investments. When you're raising money, you're not like raiding from one firm. So in their mind, hey, you're the found that's operating the business, but we are collectively giving money to the business, and we want more board teath because we and we're giving you money, but we need the power to protect our investments, right right.

Phys a great conversation, Chris, Christopher, I know that the ability to talk to people at this level on my show and communicate these values, you know, with DEI sitting out there, which is which annoys me because DEI is has become a political tool. But then what you fight political tools is by programs like Path. With Path educates you at a less financial risk, I should say, because a lot of the courses that you would have to pay to participate, you pay it a lesser, more accommodating an available amount with Path.

Phys a great conversation, Chris, Christopher, I know that the ability to talk to people at this level on my show and communicate these values, you know, with DEI sitting out there, which is which annoys me because DEI is has become a political tool. But then what you fight political tools is by programs like Path. With Path educates you at a less financial risk, I should say, because a lot of the courses that you would have to pay to participate, you pay it a lesser, more accommodating an available amount with Path.

Can you explain that to everybody one more time if we close out the interview.

Can you explain that to everybody one more time if we close out the interview.

Yeah, I think that you know, Yeah, so d I is under attacked. It's not an attacked, it's it's just really it's under attack. But it's and you're just singing it across the board. So I think it's really, really, really important for us to figure out a way to take charge and be focused in this chaos. And I think that I really encourage. I mean, if you guys see what's happening in DC, all these federal workers, it used to be work for at least especially for people of color, that you thought going to join the working for the government was the most secure job you can never have. Hell, you thought working for Facebook and Meta and all these amazons. You thought those like you, you were set for your career, you were set for life. There are people that are the rugs being pulled up on you. So I think that you know, I encourage people to learn skills in AI, get certified because these cybersecurity IT jobs are going to be the the jobs where AI engineers are going to be, you know, are going to be kind of the kings of this market. But I think with this to be able to do that, way we want to come in again is ultimately helping you get certified, helping you be able to be prepared for these jobs. And eventually we want to be able to create our own certificates. We want to be able to create certificate on path where you can get certified, you know, on our platform to be to say you know AI, say you know cloud competing and all that stuff. Right, so I think that is going to be really important. But like right now, there's not a lot every one of against stuff the world, the nation has voted against you know, our people, and I think it's important for us to be able to do things support businesses that are run by people that look like you hopefully or just supporting people you know who are minorities. And also being able to be more entrepreneurial because again I have people who literally have had a job their entire career as friends who are making like two hundred k plus a year, who have not been able to find work for six eight months and still looking for a job because they're telling them that I don't need to pay you two hundred fifty k a year because now because of these AI tools, I can automate your job and what you're doing. Now now that it was what was taking cost on you forty hours, taking you forty hours a week to do, I got ann AI agent that can do it for five hours in a month. Right, taking people Actually, what's happening is the more experienced people are the people that are getting cut because they're the higher state ones. Because you have this thing that's that can take all your experience and say, I'm smarter than you, so I don't need to pay. So the confidence say I don't need to pay you know for that. Right, So that's why I say, so get up skilled on AI, get certified as much as you can.

Yeah, I think that you know, Yeah, so d I is under attacked. It's not an attacked, it's it's just really it's under attack. But it's and you're just singing it across the board. So I think it's really, really, really important for us to figure out a way to take charge and be focused in this chaos. And I think that I really encourage. I mean, if you guys see what's happening in DC, all these federal workers, it used to be work for at least especially for people of color, that you thought going to join the working for the government was the most secure job you can never have. Hell, you thought working for Facebook and Meta and all these amazons. You thought those like you, you were set for your career, you were set for life. There are people that are the rugs being pulled up on you. So I think that you know, I encourage people to learn skills in AI, get certified because these cybersecurity IT jobs are going to be the the jobs where AI engineers are going to be, you know, are going to be kind of the kings of this market. But I think with this to be able to do that, way we want to come in again is ultimately helping you get certified, helping you be able to be prepared for these jobs. And eventually we want to be able to create our own certificates. We want to be able to create certificate on path where you can get certified, you know, on our platform to be to say you know AI, say you know cloud competing and all that stuff. Right, so I think that is going to be really important. But like right now, there's not a lot every one of against stuff the world, the nation has voted against you know, our people, and I think it's important for us to be able to do things support businesses that are run by people that look like you hopefully or just supporting people you know who are minorities. And also being able to be more entrepreneurial because again I have people who literally have had a job their entire career as friends who are making like two hundred k plus a year, who have not been able to find work for six eight months and still looking for a job because they're telling them that I don't need to pay you two hundred fifty k a year because now because of these AI tools, I can automate your job and what you're doing. Now now that it was what was taking cost on you forty hours, taking you forty hours a week to do, I got ann AI agent that can do it for five hours in a month. Right, taking people Actually, what's happening is the more experienced people are the people that are getting cut because they're the higher state ones. Because you have this thing that's that can take all your experience and say, I'm smarter than you, so I don't need to pay. So the confidence say I don't need to pay you know for that. Right, So that's why I say, so get up skilled on AI, get certified as much as you can.

Definitely use path at your path out AI.

Definitely use path at your path out AI.

And yeah, and we have to find a way to make money, find a way to generate wealth and all this chaos when.

And yeah, and we have to find a way to make money, find a way to generate wealth and all this chaos when.

You talk about lessons from building and scaling the business, because we talked about that, why go on shock tank and give away your business? Then we start talking about the board and all that good stuff.

You talk about lessons from building and scaling the business, because we talked about that, why go on shock tank and give away your business? Then we start talking about the board and all that good stuff.

But the whole thing of scaling.

But the whole thing of scaling.

You know, because you have a popular app, you soul that Sally May picked it up.

You know, because you have a popular app, you soul that Sally May picked it up.

Now, what is the future of Path? Are you going to do the same thing with Path? Are you going to just scale it out and then sell it and that next thing? I'll see you in Bermuda hanging out looking good.

Now, what is the future of Path? Are you going to do the same thing with Path? Are you going to just scale it out and then sell it and that next thing? I'll see you in Bermuda hanging out looking good.

I think that you know my goal, right, I mean, I think every founder builds a bitiness and I think you should be focused on that.

I think that you know my goal, right, I mean, I think every founder builds a bitiness and I think you should be focused on that.

Whether you want to go public.

Whether you want to go public.

I don't think you start a business with the idea I'm started to sell it, right. I think every business has to have an exit. I mean, I mean every business is to go to create generational wealth for yourself, whether you're passing that down to your kids, whether you are an exit with your IPO. Because at some point money will likely have to be raised and you have to get people a turn of their investment. And that's something I tell people. Another thing that you have to understand, when you take money from people, you have to give it back. So even the minute you raid any form of capital from someone, they want exit. So you can't in no world anybody I'm taking your money. I don't want to say to company, I'm taking your money, okay, right, So you just can't. Those things can't go hand in hand. But I think but I think ultimately being able to scale the business, being able to have as much grill as you can is something that I think is really important. But I think this era is different. I think you are seeing big businesses generate a lot of revenue, be really profitable with very little capital, very you know, not as many people. And I think that is what I want more founders to Harpong because I think that that is going to be the future. And I think that and I think that there's going to be a massive goal where's and a lot.

I don't think you start a business with the idea I'm started to sell it, right. I think every business has to have an exit. I mean, I mean every business is to go to create generational wealth for yourself, whether you're passing that down to your kids, whether you are an exit with your IPO. Because at some point money will likely have to be raised and you have to get people a turn of their investment. And that's something I tell people. Another thing that you have to understand, when you take money from people, you have to give it back. So even the minute you raid any form of capital from someone, they want exit. So you can't in no world anybody I'm taking your money. I don't want to say to company, I'm taking your money, okay, right, So you just can't. Those things can't go hand in hand. But I think but I think ultimately being able to scale the business, being able to have as much grill as you can is something that I think is really important. But I think this era is different. I think you are seeing big businesses generate a lot of revenue, be really profitable with very little capital, very you know, not as many people. And I think that is what I want more founders to Harpong because I think that that is going to be the future. And I think that and I think that there's going to be a massive goal where's and a lot.

Of money that's going to be made.

Of money that's going to be made.

But I think that focus on building your company and take and by the way Schollary was offered, we got there. There were a bunch of companies that off the bands of the ten years of me doing it. So you're going to get exit, you gonna have a little opportunities. But make sure you if you decide to sell your company, which that's the path some people want to take, no pun intended. You make sure that it's the opportunity for you and think about and if you do want to sell it, think about have a number in your mind, because you may say sixty million, maybe enough, seventy million maybe, et cetera. Because and then you may decide and let that determine how much money you raise and what terms you agree to you because you get to that point, you get that board, you raise too much money, they're not going to care about that. You get to walk away with fifty million dollars and that gives you that that generation well for you, your kids and their kids. They're going to say that's not enough and they may make And then also people don't know a board can force you to sell for less than what you have and actually get all that get all the money. Like there's something called liquidation purposes that people don't talk about. They can say, you know what, let's tell one hundred and fifty million. But because of the terms, we get all the money. You can get a million or a salary or whatever, you get nothing. And that's another thing to get us. So make sure that you scale your business intelligently, make sure that you have gold in mind, and make sure that you're strategic about how much you weighs when you raise, and make sure that you are you negotiate the best term cheat you can.

But I think that focus on building your company and take and by the way Schollary was offered, we got there. There were a bunch of companies that off the bands of the ten years of me doing it. So you're going to get exit, you gonna have a little opportunities. But make sure you if you decide to sell your company, which that's the path some people want to take, no pun intended. You make sure that it's the opportunity for you and think about and if you do want to sell it, think about have a number in your mind, because you may say sixty million, maybe enough, seventy million maybe, et cetera. Because and then you may decide and let that determine how much money you raise and what terms you agree to you because you get to that point, you get that board, you raise too much money, they're not going to care about that. You get to walk away with fifty million dollars and that gives you that that generation well for you, your kids and their kids. They're going to say that's not enough and they may make And then also people don't know a board can force you to sell for less than what you have and actually get all that get all the money. Like there's something called liquidation purposes that people don't talk about. They can say, you know what, let's tell one hundred and fifty million. But because of the terms, we get all the money. You can get a million or a salary or whatever, you get nothing. And that's another thing to get us. So make sure that you scale your business intelligently, make sure that you have gold in mind, and make sure that you're strategic about how much you weighs when you raise, and make sure that you are you negotiate the best term cheat you can.

If you're just fantastic man as to tell everybody, have we get in touch with you through your website?

If you're just fantastic man as to tell everybody, have we get in touch with you through your website?

Yeah, it's just you want to use path your paths at AI.

Yeah, it's just you want to use path your paths at AI.

If you want to follow me mostly active on LinkedIn and Instagram.

If you want to follow me mostly active on LinkedIn and Instagram.

Motor active What does that mean there? Christal multi active?

Motor active What does that mean there? Christal multi active?

You know that'sund mostly active.

You know that'sund mostly active.

So my LinkedIn you just look at Christopher Gray path, your outcome up and my ideas at CJ.

So my LinkedIn you just look at Christopher Gray path, your outcome up and my ideas at CJ.

Gray nine to one.

Gray nine to one.

You're awesome brother.

You're awesome brother.

And if you if you sit back and you think about your you know since you graduate from college, is it's just the direction you saw yourself going, or you were one of these people would go, I see an opportunity and I build on it because a lot of people are tied to fear, and fear creates a lack of change, and you seem like you have a fearless personality. Talk about your personality as we close out this show.

And if you if you sit back and you think about your you know since you graduate from college, is it's just the direction you saw yourself going, or you were one of these people would go, I see an opportunity and I build on it because a lot of people are tied to fear, and fear creates a lack of change, and you seem like you have a fearless personality. Talk about your personality as we close out this show.

I think that for me when I went to college, it was right the year with A Wall Street came out. I want to go to Wall Street. I wanted I wanted to make a lot of money. I liked finance. I have an affinity for it. I studied, I did. I did a lot of virtual like stock market trading when I pole through, like the site that gave you the virtual money and as seemingly the real market.

I think that for me when I went to college, it was right the year with A Wall Street came out. I want to go to Wall Street. I wanted I wanted to make a lot of money. I liked finance. I have an affinity for it. I studied, I did. I did a lot of virtual like stock market trading when I pole through, like the site that gave you the virtual money and as seemingly the real market.

That was something and I was really good at it. Made a lot of money.

That was something and I was really good at it. Made a lot of money.

I love it virtual money, but I'm okay, this is And then ironically my first job, ironically I sold my company to Salame and my first internship in college and the only time I ever worked for someone before Salame was actually Fanny Made.

I love it virtual money, but I'm okay, this is And then ironically my first job, ironically I sold my company to Salame and my first internship in college and the only time I ever worked for someone before Salame was actually Fanny Made.

In twenty ten.

In twenty ten.

And long story, sure, I learned that I didn't want to work for some notework work for work for a company anymore. I fell out with my boss and I had I had an exit interview where I was probably I was younger and I was more candid then I am fresh out of Birmingham, but I think I didn't have a plot of polish, and I was very honest with her about how I felt about her. And then I left and then yeah, and I didn't work for it, so yeahs so and then also I became entrepreneur and that worked out for me, and I realized in a lot of the skills and self started being able to It's something that I wanted to do, and entrepreneurship is it for everyone.

And long story, sure, I learned that I didn't want to work for some notework work for work for a company anymore. I fell out with my boss and I had I had an exit interview where I was probably I was younger and I was more candid then I am fresh out of Birmingham, but I think I didn't have a plot of polish, and I was very honest with her about how I felt about her. And then I left and then yeah, and I didn't work for it, so yeahs so and then also I became entrepreneur and that worked out for me, and I realized in a lot of the skills and self started being able to It's something that I wanted to do, and entrepreneurship is it for everyone.

It's a lot of risk.

It's a lot of risk.

But I tell people, I just posted the status today showing telling people that if all these layoffs have been taught to you, that at this point, getting a job there's no I don't even know if there's a such thing as a stable job anymore. So you might as well take the risk and build something, take dreat generational wealth for yourself and your kids, you know, because that seem at this point that seems like the same level of risk is going to work for somebody. And then within a year you are displaced and then selling you don't have you don't have a so out, you know, you don't have, you know, any any way to take care of your family. So so that's how I think about it, and that's just kind of who I am. I just I like to start a thing. I like to build things. I don't think that I try to build things to be rich. I think that wealth is the byproduct of hard work and building something.

But I tell people, I just posted the status today showing telling people that if all these layoffs have been taught to you, that at this point, getting a job there's no I don't even know if there's a such thing as a stable job anymore. So you might as well take the risk and build something, take dreat generational wealth for yourself and your kids, you know, because that seem at this point that seems like the same level of risk is going to work for somebody. And then within a year you are displaced and then selling you don't have you don't have a so out, you know, you don't have, you know, any any way to take care of your family. So so that's how I think about it, and that's just kind of who I am. I just I like to start a thing. I like to build things. I don't think that I try to build things to be rich. I think that wealth is the byproduct of hard work and building something.

That adds value to the people you serve.

That adds value to the people you serve.

And I think that you know and that and you should be rewarded for that with wealth. But like, I don't just go I'll just trying away. That is just getting money, right like, because I think that when the people that have that mindset, I find they always fail because if you don't, if you're not truly building something to add value to others, you don't, you're likely not or frankly don't deserve to be able to generate wealth for yourself because those things have to be handed.

And I think that you know and that and you should be rewarded for that with wealth. But like, I don't just go I'll just trying away. That is just getting money, right like, because I think that when the people that have that mindset, I find they always fail because if you don't, if you're not truly building something to add value to others, you don't, you're likely not or frankly don't deserve to be able to generate wealth for yourself because those things have to be handed.

Wow, he's a secret agent.

Wow, he's a secret agent.

Man who's no longer a secret my man, Christopher Gray Brother, I'm gonna tell you somebody, I've been doing this long time, and you are in an interview date. Excit to me because I do see what you're doing is changing the world and your platform. I'm highly recommending people just go and examine it and then see the value it can bring to your life. You're probably your child's life, to your person you might have in your life personally, emotionally, and this is about seeing opportunities.

Man who's no longer a secret my man, Christopher Gray Brother, I'm gonna tell you somebody, I've been doing this long time, and you are in an interview date. Excit to me because I do see what you're doing is changing the world and your platform. I'm highly recommending people just go and examine it and then see the value it can bring to your life. You're probably your child's life, to your person you might have in your life personally, emotionally, and this is about seeing opportunities.

And I tell everybody.

And I tell everybody.

Just because you're thirty, just because you're forty, just because you're fifty, just because you're sixty. These type of opportunities that Path is bringing to the table can impact your life both professionally but also financially. Christopher, great, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass.

Just because you're thirty, just because you're forty, just because you're fifty, just because you're sixty. These type of opportunities that Path is bringing to the table can impact your life both professionally but also financially. Christopher, great, thank you for coming on Money Making Conversation Masterclass.

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, man, I appreciate you and thank you for having me.

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, man, I appreciate you and thank you for having me.

This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation master Class posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests on the show today and thank you listening to the audience now. If you want to listen to any episode I want to be a guest on the show, visit Moneymakingconversations dot com. Our social media handle is money Making Conversation. Join us next week and remember to always leave with your gifts.

This has been another edition of Money Making Conversation master Class posted by me Rashaun McDonald. Thank you to our guests on the show today and thank you listening to the audience now. If you want to listen to any episode I want to be a guest on the show, visit Moneymakingconversations dot com. Our social media handle is money Making Conversation. Join us next week and remember to always leave with your gifts.

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