Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Willie Jolley.

SUMMARY OF THE INTERVIEW

In this energetic and motivational conversation, Hall of Fame speaker Dr. Willie Jolley joins Rushion McDonald on Money Making Conversations Masterclass to discuss his new book, “Rich Is Good, Wealthy Is Better.” The interview covers the difference between being rich and being wealthy, the mindsets required for long-term financial growth, and how individuals—no matter their background—can build generational wealth. Jolley also emphasizes discipline, humility, planning, multiple streams of income, overcoming setbacks, and the importance of insurance and protection of assets.

PURPOSE OF THE INTERVIEW

The interview aims to:

1. Introduce and promote Dr. Jolley’s new book

“Rich Is Good, Wealthy Is Better” and the teachings within it.

2. Educate listeners on the distinction between rich and wealthy

Jolley wants audiences to understand wealth in generational, not short-term, terms. 

3. Motivate individuals to shift their financial mindset

From “working money” to “mailbox money.” 

4. Empower entrepreneurs and families

To adopt discipline, drop pride, and create multigenerational financial systems. 

5. Share Jolley’s personal setback‑to‑success story

To reinforce that anyone can grow wealth with the right principles. 

KEY TAKEAWAYS1. Rich vs. Wealthy
Being rich = high income, often tied to active labor (e.g., athlete contracts).
Being wealthy = passive income, ownership, generational sustainability.
A rich football player earns millions; the team owner earns billions and doesn’t have to “run up and down the field.” 

2. The Five Money Mindsets

Jolley explains five financial mindsets:
One‑day mindset – living day to day.
30‑day mindset – fixed incomes/check-to-check living.
One‑year mindset – annual thinking (raises, annual income).
Decade mindset – typical for entertainers/athletes with multi‑year contracts.
Generational mindset (Wealth Mindset) – building wealth to last multiple generations. 

Jolley’s goal: move people up just one level at a time.

3. Five Types of Wealth

Jolley breaks wealth into five categories:
Financial Wealth
Health Wealth (“A sick person has one dream; a healthy person has a thousand.” – Les Brown)
Relationship Wealth
Reputational Wealth (Brand)
Intellectual Capital Wealth (What you know and can charge for)

4. Discipline Is the Key

Wealth requires:
Living below your means
Investing the difference
Consistency
Avoiding arrogance and ignorance 

5. Pride Is an Enemy of Wealth

Pride leads people to overspend to keep up appearances.
Jolley argues that pride “kills wealth” and must be replaced with planning and humility. 

6. The Three Legs of Wealth

To build sustainable wealth, you need:
Income
Investment (letting money work for you)
Insurance (life, health, car, disability, long-term care) 

7. Multiple Streams of Income

Jolley urges everyone to build at least two streams of income from:
Stocks
Bonds
Real estate
Crypto
Collectibles
Jewelry
Art
Content creation

8. Overcoming Setbacks

Jolley details his own journey from unemployed nightclub singer to globally recognized motivational speaker.
He reinforces that a setback is a setup for a comeback—the core message of his earlier bestselling book.

9. It’s Never Too Late to Start

He cites examples of:
A secretary who retired with $8M by investing small amounts over time
Invested $12,000 at age 65 and grew it to $890,000 by age 72 

NOTABLE QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEWOn Time & Opportunity
“I have only just a minute… but it’s up to me to use it.” 

On Mindset
“Wealth starts in your mind.” 

On Rich vs. Wealthy
“Regular folks work for their money. Wealthy people make their money work for them.” 

On Pride
“My pride was killing my wealth.” 

On Growth & Learning
“If you’re willing to learn, no one can stop you.”[On Setbacks
“A setback is a setup for your greater comeback.” 

On Starting Late
“When is the best time to plant a tree? Eighty years ago. The second-best time? Today.” 

#SHMS #STRAW #BEST

Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Dr. Willie Jolley.
<hr>
SUMMARY OF THE INTERVIEW
In this energetic and motivational conversation, Hall of Fame speaker Dr. Willie Jolley joins Rushion McDonald on Money Making Conversations Masterclass to discuss his new book, &ldquo;Rich Is Good, Wealthy Is Better.&rdquo; The interview covers the difference between being rich and being wealthy, the mindsets required for long-term financial growth, and how individuals&mdash;no matter their background&mdash;can build generational wealth. Jolley also emphasizes discipline, humility, planning, multiple streams of income, overcoming setbacks, and the importance of insurance and protection of assets.
<hr>
PURPOSE OF THE INTERVIEW
The interview aims to:
1. Introduce and promote Dr. Jolley&rsquo;s new book
&ldquo;Rich Is Good, Wealthy Is Better&rdquo; and the teachings within it.
2. Educate listeners on the distinction between rich and wealthy
Jolley wants audiences to understand wealth in generational, not short-term, terms.&nbsp;
3. Motivate individuals to shift their financial mindset
From &ldquo;working money&rdquo; to &ldquo;mailbox money.&rdquo;&nbsp;
4. Empower entrepreneurs and families
To adopt discipline, drop pride, and create multigenerational financial systems.&nbsp;
5. Share Jolley&rsquo;s personal setback‑to‑success story
To reinforce that anyone can grow wealth with the right principles.&nbsp;
<hr>
KEY TAKEAWAYS 1. Rich vs. Wealthy
<ul>
<li>Being rich = high income, often tied to active labor (e.g., athlete contracts).</li>
<li>Being wealthy = passive income, ownership, generational sustainability.</li>
<li>A rich football player earns millions; the team owner earns billions and doesn&rsquo;t have to &ldquo;run up and down the field.&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<hr>
2. The Five Money Mindsets
Jolley explains five financial mindsets:
<ol>
<li>One‑day mindset &ndash; living day to day.</li>
<li>30‑day mindset &ndash; fixed incomes/check-to-check living.</li>
<li>One‑year mindset &ndash; annual thinking (raises, annual income).</li>
<li>Decade mindset &ndash; typical for entertainers/athletes with multi‑year contracts.</li>
<li>Generational mindset (Wealth Mindset) &ndash; building wealth to last multiple generations.&nbsp;</li>
</ol>
Jolley&rsquo;s goal: move people up just one level at a time.
<hr>
3. Five Types of Wealth
Jolley breaks wealth into five categories:
<ol>
<li>Financial Wealth</li>
<li>Health Wealth (&ldquo;A sick person has one dream; a healthy person has a thousand.&rdquo; &ndash; Les Brown)</li>
<li>Relationship Wealth</li>
<li>Reputational Wealth (Brand)</li>
<li>Intellectual Capital Wealth (What you know and can charge for)</li>
</ol>
<hr>
4. Discipline Is the Key
Wealth requires:
<ul>
<li>Living below your means</li>
<li>Investing the difference</li>
<li>Consistency</li>
<li>Avoiding arrogance and ignorance&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<hr>
5. Pride Is an Enemy of Wealth
Pride leads people to overspend to keep up appearances. Jolley argues that pride &ldquo;kills wealth&rdquo; and must be replaced with planning and humility.&nbsp;
<hr>
6. The Three Legs of Wealth
To build sustainable wealth, you need:
<ol>
<li>Income</li>
<li>Investment (letting money work for you)</li>
<li>Insurance (life, health, car, disability, long-term care)&nbsp;</li>
</ol>
<hr>
7. Multiple Streams of Income
Jolley urges everyone to build at least two streams of income from:
<ul>
<li>Stocks</li>
<li>Bonds</li>
<li>Real estate</li>
<li>Crypto</li>
<li>Collectibles</li>
<li>Jewelry</li>
<li>Art</li>
<li>Content creation</li>
</ul>
<hr>
8. Overcoming Setbacks
Jolley details his own journey from unemployed nightclub singer to globally recognized motivational speaker. He reinforces that a setback is a setup for a comeback&mdash;the core message of his earlier bestselling book.
<hr>
9. It&rsquo;s Never Too Late to Start
He cites examples of:
<ul>
<li>A secretary who retired with $8M by investing small amounts over time</li>
<li>Invested $12,000 at age 65 and grew it to $890,000 by age 72&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
<hr>
NOTABLE QUOTES FROM THE INTERVIEW On Time &amp; Opportunity
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;I have only just a minute&hellip; but it&rsquo;s up to me to use it.&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
On Mindset
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;Wealth starts in your mind.&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
On Rich vs. Wealthy
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;Regular folks work for their money. Wealthy people make their money work for them.&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
On Pride
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;My pride was killing my wealth.&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
On Growth &amp; Learning
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;If you&rsquo;re willing to learn, no one can stop you.&rdquo; <a href="https://rushionmcdonald-my.sharepoint.com/personal/admin_rushionmcdonald_onmicrosoft_com/Documents/Microsoft%20Copilot%20Chat%20Files/Dr.%20Willie%20Jolley.txt">[</a>On Setbacks</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;A setback is a setup for your greater comeback.&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
On Starting Late
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;When is the best time to plant a tree? Eighty years ago. The second-best time? Today.&rdquo;&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
#SHMS #STRAW #BEST

Hi, this is Rushion McDonald. Welcome to the podcast world of Money Making Conversations Master Class. I interview profits and nonprofits to learn their "Secrets to Success."  I'm a former IBM Executive with a degree in Mathematics. I started my entrepreneurial career as a stand-up comic, then became a sitcom writer, award-winning baker, social media influencer, award-winning television Executive Producer, and brand architect for super-successful celebrities and products. Money Making Conversations Master Class interviews a diverse group of celebrities, entrepreneurs, and influencers in the financial and business community with their advice and tips so you can be successful, too. It's time to stop reading other people's success stories and start building your own. People always talk about their purpose or gifts. If you have a gift, Lead with your Gift, and don't let your friends, family, or co-workers stop you from planning or living your dream. Keep Winning!

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Hi, this is Rushion McDonald. Welcome to the podcast world of Money Making Conversations Master Class. I interview profits and nonprofits to learn their "Secrets to Success."  I'm a former IBM Executive with a degree in Mathematics. I started my entrepreneurial career as a stand-up comic, then became a sitcom writer, award-winning baker, social media influencer, award-winning television Executive Producer, and brand architect for super-successful celebrities and products. Money Making Conversations Master Class interviews a diverse group of celebrities, entrepreneurs, and influencers in the financial and business community with their advice and tips so you can be successful, too. It's time to stop reading other people's success stories and start building your own. People always talk about their purpose or gifts. If you have a gift, Lead with your Gift, and don't let your friends, family, or co-workers stop you from planning or living your dream. Keep Winning!
https://www.moneymakingconversations.com
https://www.youtube.com/MoneyMakingConversations
https://www.facebook.com/MoneyMakingConversations/
https://twitter.com/moneymakingconv
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Financial Tip: He covers the difference between being rich and being wealthy and overcoming setbacks.  

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