My next guest is Dr. Ian Smith, who is the author of many #1 New York Times bestselling books, SHRED: THE REVOLUTIONARY DIET, SUPER SHRED: The Big Results Diet, BLAST THE SUGAR OUT, The Clean 20, THE ANCIENT NINE, CLEAN & LEAN and eleven other books with millions of copies in print. His newest book—THE UNSPOKEN, the first installment of his Ashe Cayne mystery series, will be released on October 1st, 2020.  He is currently the solo host of the nationally-syndicated, Emmy award-winning television show, THE DOCTORS, and a longtime medical contributor to the Emmy award-winning The Rachael Ray Show. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Dr. Ian Smith.
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My next guest is Dr. Ian Smith, who is the author of many #1 New York Times bestselling books, SHRED: THE REVOLUTIONARY DIET, SUPER SHRED: The Big Results Diet, BLAST THE SUGAR OUT, The Clean 20, THE ANCIENT NINE, CLEAN & LEAN and eleven other books with millions of copies in print. His newest book—THE UNSPOKEN, the first installment of his Ashe Cayne mystery series, will be released on October 1st, 2020.  He is currently the solo host of the nationally-syndicated, Emmy award-winning television show, THE DOCTORS, and a longtime medical contributor to the Emmy award-winning The Rachael Ray Show. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations Dr. Ian Smith. https://www.moneymakingconversations.com https://www.youtube.com/MoneyMakingConversations https://www.facebook.com/MoneyMakingConversations/ https://twitter.com/moneymakingconv https://www.instagram.com/moneymakingconversations/ Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com

Hi, this is Rushion McDonald. Welcome to the podcast world of Money Making Conversations Master Class. I interview profits and nonprofits to learn their "Secrets to Success."  I'm a former IBM Executive with a degree in Mathematics. I started my entrepreneurial career as a stand-up comic, then became a sitcom writer, award-winning baker, social media influencer, award-winning television Executive Producer, and brand architect for super-successful celebrities and products. Money Making Conversations Master Class interviews a diverse group of celebrities, entrepreneurs, and influencers in the financial and business community with their advice and tips so you can be successful, too. It's time to stop reading other people's success stories and start building your own. People always talk about their purpose or gifts. If you have a gift, Lead with your Gift, and don't let your friends, family, or co-workers stop you from planning or living your dream. Keep Winning!

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Hi, this is Rushion McDonald. Welcome to the podcast world of Money Making Conversations Master Class. I interview profits and nonprofits to learn their "Secrets to Success."  I'm a former IBM Executive with a degree in Mathematics. I started my entrepreneurial career as a stand-up comic, then became a sitcom writer, award-winning baker, social media influencer, award-winning television Executive Producer, and brand architect for super-successful celebrities and products. Money Making Conversations Master Class interviews a diverse group of celebrities, entrepreneurs, and influencers in the financial and business community with their advice and tips so you can be successful, too. It's time to stop reading other people's success stories and start building your own. People always talk about their purpose or gifts. If you have a gift, Lead with your Gift, and don't let your friends, family, or co-workers stop you from planning or living your dream. Keep Winning!
https://www.moneymakingconversations.com
https://www.youtube.com/MoneyMakingConversations
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Money Making Conversations Master Class

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily.  I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur.  Keep winning!

Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Stacey Gholar.  

🔹 Summary of the Interview

Stacey Gholar, founder of Bloom Creative Agency, shares her journey from being a young mother in Chicago to becoming a brand strategist and creative entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience in marketing, media, and business. She emphasizes the importance of aligning personal identity with brand strategy, especially in the digital age. Stacey discusses her approach to brand audits, the role of social media, the impact of AI, and her passion for empowering women through entrepreneurship and skincare.

🔹 Key Takeaways 1. What Is a Brand Strategist?
A brand strategist helps individuals and businesses define and articulate their brand clearly.
“You are the brand, but you have to put the brand together in a way that people can articulate what you do.”

2. Social Media Strategy
Stacey conducts social media audits to ensure alignment between personal and business branding.
She recommends having separate personal and business accounts, but acknowledges blending them when appropriate.

3. Discovery Process
Her process starts with a discovery call to understand the client’s “why” and goals.
She believes passion must drive entrepreneurship—not just money.

4. Digital Branding & AI
Stacey identifies as a digital brand specialist, helping Gen X women and others pivot into digital spaces.
She uses AI tools like ChatGPT and Google Gemini to enhance productivity but values human connection.
“AI is an asset… but I don’t solely rely on it.”

5. Email Marketing
Email is still vital: “If you're solely on social media, you can lose your business in a minute.”
She advocates for funnel systems and community building outside of social platforms.

6. Going Viral vs. Being Valuable
“You don’t need to go viral. You just need to be valuable.”
She went viral unintentionally with a review of Harold’s Chicken, but stresses the importance of sustainable value over fleeting attention.

7. Brand Refresh & Outreach
Most of her clients come through word of mouth, but she’s expanding her reach via social media.
She encourages clients to step out of their comfort zones and engage in community-driven initiatives.

8. Skincare Line
Stacey founded Skin Light Skincare at age 50 to promote pro-aging and natural beauty.
She now focuses on organic body oils that are clean, hydrating, and hormone-safe.

🔹 Notable Quotes
“Experience has been the best teacher for me.”
“You don’t need to go viral. You just need to be valuable.”
“If you stop learning, you stop growing.”
“I want you to be a part of building your brand—not just me doing it for you.”
“Social media is great, but word of mouth is still real.”

#SHMS #STRAW #BEST

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Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Stacey Gholar.&nbsp;&nbsp;
<hr>
🔹 Summary of the Interview
Stacey Gholar, founder of Bloom Creative Agency, shares her journey from being a young mother in Chicago to becoming a brand strategist and creative entrepreneur with over 20 years of experience in marketing, media, and business. She emphasizes the importance of aligning personal identity with brand strategy, especially in the digital age. Stacey discusses her approach to brand audits, the role of social media, the impact of AI, and her passion for empowering women through entrepreneurship and skincare.
<hr>
🔹 Key Takeaways 1. What Is a Brand Strategist?
<ul>
<li>A brand strategist helps individuals and businesses define and articulate their brand clearly.</li>
<li>&ldquo;You are the brand, but you have to put the brand together in a way that people can articulate what you do.&rdquo;</li>
</ul>
2. Social Media Strategy
<ul>
<li>Stacey conducts social media audits to ensure alignment between personal and business branding.</li>
<li>She recommends having separate personal and business accounts, but acknowledges blending them when appropriate.</li>
</ul>
3. Discovery Process
<ul>
<li>Her process starts with a discovery call to understand the client&rsquo;s &ldquo;why&rdquo; and goals.</li>
<li>She believes passion must drive entrepreneurship&mdash;not just money.</li>
</ul>
4. Digital Branding &amp; AI
<ul>
<li>Stacey identifies as a digital brand specialist, helping Gen X women and others pivot into digital spaces.</li>
<li>She uses AI tools like ChatGPT and Google Gemini to enhance productivity but values human connection.</li>
<li>&ldquo;AI is an asset&hellip; but I don&rsquo;t solely rely on it.&rdquo;</li>
</ul>
5. Email Marketing
<ul>
<li>Email is still vital: &ldquo;If you're solely on social media, you can lose your business in a minute.&rdquo;</li>
<li>She advocates for funnel systems and community building outside of social platforms.</li>
</ul>
6. Going Viral vs. Being Valuable
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;You don&rsquo;t need to go viral. You just need to be valuable.&rdquo;</li>
<li>She went viral unintentionally with a review of Harold&rsquo;s Chicken, but stresses the importance of sustainable value over fleeting attention.</li>
</ul>
7. Brand Refresh &amp; Outreach
<ul>
<li>Most of her clients come through word of mouth, but she&rsquo;s expanding her reach via social media.</li>
<li>She encourages clients to step out of their comfort zones and engage in community-driven initiatives.</li>
</ul>
8. Skincare Line
<ul>
<li>Stacey founded Skin Light Skincare at age 50 to promote pro-aging and natural beauty.</li>
<li>She now focuses on organic body oils that are clean, hydrating, and hormone-safe.</li>
</ul>
<hr>
🔹 Notable Quotes
<ul>
<li>&ldquo;Experience has been the best teacher for me.&rdquo;</li>
<li>&ldquo;You don&rsquo;t need to go viral. You just need to be valuable.&rdquo;</li>
<li>&ldquo;If you stop learning, you stop growing.&rdquo;</li>
<li>&ldquo;I want you to be a part of building your brand&mdash;not just me doing it for you.&rdquo;</li>
<li>&ldquo;Social media is great, but word of mouth is still real.&rdquo;</li>
</ul>
<hr>
#SHMS #STRAW #BEST

Marketing: She emphasizes the importance of aligning personal identity with brand strategy, especially in the digital age.

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily.  I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur.  Keep winning!

Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed April Showers.

Founder of Afro Unicorn, joins Money Making Conversations Masterclass to share how she built the first Black woman-owned, fully licensed character brand in major retail. With over $20 million in sales, Afro Unicorn celebrates diversity and empowers women and children of color.

🔑 Key Themes & Highlights


Origins of Afro Unicorn
April was inspired by a friend's repeated reference to her as a "unicorn," highlighting her extraordinary ability to balance multiple businesses and raise two children.
Noticing existing unicorn imagery lacked representation, she created Afro Unicorn to uplift young girls of color.


Challenges & Early Growth
Despite facing personal hardships—including her son's hospitalization and several family losses—April remained committed to her mission.
Her persistence led to a viral moment where a young girl wearing an Afro Unicorn shirt caught Walmart’s attention, resulting in a licensing deal.


Licensing & Expansion
Instead of manufacturing herself, April strategically partnered with licensees to distribute Afro Unicorn merchandise.
Within a year, she secured 45+ licensing agreements, expanding into books, bedding, hair care, party supplies, and more.


Business Strategy & Advice
Trademarking Afro Unicorn early, hiring an accountant and lawyer, and writing a business plan were critical to her success.
She advises entrepreneurs to visualize success, stay consistent, and never quit.


Future Plans
April is developing Miss April’s Crown, an animated series teaching young entrepreneurs business skills through affirmations and mentorship.

📘 About the Brand
Afro Unicorn is available at major retailers, including Walmart, Target, and Amazon.

 

#STRAW

#BEST

#SHMS

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Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed&nbsp;April Showers.
Founder of Afro Unicorn, joins Money Making Conversations Masterclass to share how she built the first Black woman-owned, fully licensed character brand in major retail. With over $20 million in sales, Afro Unicorn celebrates diversity and empowers women and children of color.
🔑 Key Themes &amp; Highlights
<ol>
<li>
Origins of Afro Unicorn
<ul>
<li>April was inspired by a friend's repeated reference to her as a "unicorn," highlighting her extraordinary ability to balance multiple businesses and raise two children.</li>
<li>Noticing existing unicorn imagery lacked representation, she created Afro Unicorn to uplift young girls of color.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>
Challenges &amp; Early Growth
<ul>
<li>Despite facing personal hardships&mdash;including her son's hospitalization and several family losses&mdash;April remained committed to her mission.</li>
<li>Her persistence led to a viral moment where a young girl wearing an Afro Unicorn shirt caught Walmart&rsquo;s attention, resulting in a licensing deal.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>
Licensing &amp; Expansion
<ul>
<li>Instead of manufacturing herself, April strategically partnered with licensees to distribute Afro Unicorn merchandise.</li>
<li>Within a year, she secured 45+ licensing agreements, expanding into books, bedding, hair care, party supplies, and more.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>
Business Strategy &amp; Advice
<ul>
<li>Trademarking Afro Unicorn early, hiring an accountant and lawyer, and writing a business plan were critical to her success.</li>
<li>She advises entrepreneurs to visualize success, stay consistent, and never quit.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>
Future Plans
<ul>
<li>April is developing Miss April&rsquo;s Crown, an animated series teaching young entrepreneurs business skills through affirmations and mentorship.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ol>
📘 About the Brand Afro Unicorn is available at major retailers, including Walmart, Target, and Amazon.
<hr>
&nbsp;
#STRAW
#BEST
#SHMS

Brand Building:  She built the first Black woman-owned, fully licensed character brand in major retail. 

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Listen and subscribe to Money Making Conversations on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, www.moneymakingconversations.com/subscribe/ or wherever you listen to podcasts. New Money Making Conversations episodes drop daily.  I want to alert you, so you don’t miss out on expert analysis and insider perspectives from my guests who provide tips that can help you uplift the community, improve your financial planning, motivation, or advice on how to be a successful entrepreneur.  Keep winning!

Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Ryan Wilson.

Co-founder and CEO of The Gathering Spot (TGS), joins host Rushion McDonald to discuss his entrepreneurial journey, the creation and expansion of The Gathering Spot, and the broader mission of building community, economic opportunity, and cultural pride for Black professionals and creatives.

Wilson explains that while TGS officially opened in Atlanta in 2016, the idea began years earlier when he was a law student in Washington, D.C. What started as a reimagining of the traditional private city club became a national platform combining community, collaboration, events, workspaces, and eventually fintech tools. Despite major obstacles—most notably being rejected by 97 potential investors—Wilson persisted, driven by a clear sense of purpose and belief in the unmet needs of Black and minority communities.

The conversation highlights Atlanta’s importance as the launch city, the power of community-driven spaces, and the need to move beyond performative diversity efforts toward sustainable, scalable Black-owned businesses.

Purpose of the Interview

The primary purpose of the interview is to:
Inspire entrepreneurs, especially young and underrepresented founders, to pursue their ideas despite resistance.
Explain the mission and impact of The Gathering Spot as more than a coworking space—positioning it as a cultural, economic, and social hub.
Encourage long-term thinking about Black business growth, community wealth, and access to financial tools.
Provide real-world lessons about fundraising, resilience, leadership, and community building.

Key Takeaways 1. Success Is a Process, Not an Overnight Event

Wilson emphasizes that The Gathering Spot took years of planning, pitching, and rejection before launching. The popular narrative of “instant success” hides the real work required.

Takeaway: Consistency and belief matter more than early validation.

2. Rejection Can Be a Signal You’re Early—Not Wrong

Wilson was told “no” 97 times before securing his first investor. Instead of discouragement, he saw rejection as proof that he was pursuing something others couldn’t yet see.

Takeaway: If everyone understands your idea immediately, you might not be pushing far enough.

3. Atlanta Was a Strategic and Cultural Choice

Atlanta was selected because of its Black leadership, business ecosystem, cultural influence, and sense of communal support. Wilson describes the city as both big and intimate—ideal for relationship building.

Takeaway: Location matters, especially when building community-centered businesses.

4. The Gathering Spot Is About Belonging and Pride

TGS intentionally celebrates Black culture while remaining open to all. The experience is designed to feel warm, affirming, and professional—something many members had never encountered in adult spaces.

Takeaway: Spaces are never neutral; design should be intentional about who feels welcomed and valued.

5. Community Is the Product

While TGS offers buildings, events, restaurants, and workspaces, Wilson is clear that the network is the real value—introducing people who otherwise may never meet.

Takeaway: Relationships create opportunity faster than resources alone.

6. Fintech Is About Real Access, Not Just Education

Wilson explains that after years of hosting conversations about money and wealth, TGS realized the next step was providing actual financial tools, not just dialogue.

Takeaway: Empowerment requires both knowledge and access.

7. DEI Without Results Is Performative

Wilson and McDonald discuss the post-2020 slowdown in corporate DEI efforts. Wilson challenges organizations to focus less on optics and more on outcomes—specifically business scale and job creation.

Takeaway: The goal isn’t to “look good losing,” but to win sustainably.

Notable Quotes


On rejection:

“It was 97 people that told us no in a row before we got to our first yes.”


On purpose:

“My mission is to connect people. I’m a community builder.”


On fear and timing:

“I didn’t want to have any regrets about not trying.”


On intentional design:

“I was thinking about Black folks when we were building The Gathering Spot.”


On DEI efforts:

“Do you really want to win or look good losing?”


On scale and impact:

“It’s not enough to start Black-owned businesses—we have to watch them grow.”

#SHMS #BEST #STRAW

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Two-time Emmy and Three-time NAACP Image Award-winning, television Executive Producer Rushion McDonald interviewed Ryan Wilson.
Co-founder and CEO of The Gathering Spot (TGS), joins host Rushion McDonald to discuss his entrepreneurial journey, the creation and expansion of The Gathering Spot, and the broader mission of building community, economic opportunity, and cultural pride for Black professionals and creatives.
Wilson explains that while TGS officially opened in Atlanta in 2016, the idea began years earlier when he was a law student in Washington, D.C. What started as a reimagining of the traditional private city club became a national platform combining community, collaboration, events, workspaces, and eventually fintech tools. Despite major obstacles&mdash;most notably being rejected by 97 potential investors&mdash;Wilson persisted, driven by a clear sense of purpose and belief in the unmet needs of Black and minority communities.
The conversation highlights Atlanta&rsquo;s importance as the launch city, the power of community-driven spaces, and the need to move beyond performative diversity efforts toward sustainable, scalable Black-owned businesses.
<hr>
Purpose of the Interview
The primary purpose of the interview is to:
<ul>
<li>Inspire entrepreneurs, especially young and underrepresented founders, to pursue their ideas despite resistance.</li>
<li>Explain the mission and impact of The Gathering Spot as more than a coworking space&mdash;positioning it as a cultural, economic, and social hub.</li>
<li>Encourage long-term thinking about Black business growth, community wealth, and access to financial tools.</li>
<li>Provide real-world lessons about fundraising, resilience, leadership, and community building.</li>
</ul>
<hr>
Key Takeaways 1. Success Is a Process, Not an Overnight Event
Wilson emphasizes that The Gathering Spot took years of planning, pitching, and rejection before launching. The popular narrative of &ldquo;instant success&rdquo; hides the real work required.
Takeaway: Consistency and belief matter more than early validation.
<hr>
2. Rejection Can Be a Signal You&rsquo;re Early&mdash;Not Wrong
Wilson was told &ldquo;no&rdquo; 97 times before securing his first investor. Instead of discouragement, he saw rejection as proof that he was pursuing something others couldn&rsquo;t yet see.
Takeaway: If everyone understands your idea immediately, you might not be pushing far enough.
<hr>
3. Atlanta Was a Strategic and Cultural Choice
Atlanta was selected because of its Black leadership, business ecosystem, cultural influence, and sense of communal support. Wilson describes the city as both big and intimate&mdash;ideal for relationship building.
Takeaway: Location matters, especially when building community-centered businesses.
<hr>
4. The Gathering Spot Is About Belonging and Pride
TGS intentionally celebrates Black culture while remaining open to all. The experience is designed to feel warm, affirming, and professional&mdash;something many members had never encountered in adult spaces.
Takeaway: Spaces are never neutral; design should be intentional about who feels welcomed and valued.
<hr>
5. Community Is the Product
While TGS offers buildings, events, restaurants, and workspaces, Wilson is clear that the network is the real value&mdash;introducing people who otherwise may never meet.
Takeaway: Relationships create opportunity faster than resources alone.
<hr>
6. Fintech Is About Real Access, Not Just Education
Wilson explains that after years of hosting conversations about money and wealth, TGS realized the next step was providing actual financial tools, not just dialogue.
Takeaway: Empowerment requires both knowledge and access.
<hr>
7. DEI Without Results Is Performative
Wilson and McDonald discuss the post-2020 slowdown in corporate DEI efforts. Wilson challenges organizations to focus less on optics and more on outcomes&mdash;specifically business scale and job creation.
Takeaway: The goal isn&rsquo;t to &ldquo;look good losing,&rdquo; but to win sustainably.
<hr>
Notable Quotes
<ul>
<li>
On rejection:
<blockquote>
&ldquo;It was 97 people that told us no in a row before we got to our first yes.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
</li>
<li>
On purpose:
<blockquote>
&ldquo;My mission is to connect people. I&rsquo;m a community builder.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
</li>
<li>
On fear and timing:
<blockquote>
&ldquo;I didn&rsquo;t want to have any regrets about not trying.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
</li>
<li>
On intentional design:
<blockquote>
&ldquo;I was thinking about Black folks when we were building The Gathering Spot.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
</li>
<li>
On DEI efforts:
<blockquote>
&ldquo;Do you really want to win or look good losing?&rdquo;
</blockquote>
</li>
<li>
On scale and impact:
<blockquote>
&ldquo;It&rsquo;s not enough to start Black-owned businesses&mdash;we have to watch them grow.&rdquo;
</blockquote>
</li>
</ul>
<hr>
#SHMS #BEST #STRAW

Follow Your Passion: He followed his passion and not his parent's dreams and co-founded The Gathering Spot, a reimagined traditional private city club.

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