Stephanie spoke with advocate Shaun Dougherty earlier this season about masculinity and faith and moral leadership, but their full conversation was much deeper. In this bonus episode, Shaun shares more about how and why advocacy for child sexual abuse victims has become his life’s work, and why focusing our anger at the institutions that propagate harm may be more effective than pinpointing it on the individuals who do harm.

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<p>Stephanie spoke with advocate Shaun Dougherty earlier this season about masculinity and faith and moral leadership, but their full conversation was much deeper. In this bonus episode, Shaun shares more about how and why advocacy for child sexual abuse victims has become his life’s work, and why focusing our anger at the institutions that propagate harm may be more effective than pinpointing it on the individuals who do harm.</p><p> </p> Learn more about your ad-choices at <a href="https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com">https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com</a>

MSNBC anchor and NBC News Senior Business correspondent Stephanie Ruhle hosts compelling conversations for these culturally complicated times. From mental health and parenting, to a widening gender gap, and rampant misinformation on social media – we’re getting comfortable talking about the uncomfortable. And we’re doing it with help of experts and thought-provoking contributors to the opinion and analysis site NBC Think.

Modern Ruhles with Stephanie Ruhle: Compelling Conversations in Culturally Complicated Times

Bonus Episode: More with Shaun Dougherty 

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