Part Two of our interview with the Russian-Israeli-American “businessman” who, when partnered with Rudy Giuiliani, tried and failed to come up with dirt on the Bidens for Trump. And he's got a long list of names of the others who were in on it.

No More Secrets: AI and the Future of Espionage (with Adam Davidson)
37:01

The Corruption of American Intelligence (with Julia Curlee)
32:53

The National Security Council Purge (with Julia Curlee)
32:50