More of our conversation with CIA analyst turned best-selling spy novelist David McCloskey. He and his old CIA associates, John & Jerry, look at CIA fact vs. fiction and how McCloskey brings their experiences to his stories. Also, some German stuff.

How the CIA Decides What’s Legal (with James Petrila)
49:35

Crypto: The Trump Family Business (with Zach Everson)
48:11

Serving in the Middle East, then Writing About It (with Ilana Berry)
42:21