Host: Nadia Cameron - Editor - Marketing | Associate Publisher

Being able to convince others is the most critical skill marketers need to possess  – the whole job of marketing is to influence consumers to consider then purchase your brand, after all. But as marketers progress into senior management positions, they also need to get better at getting team members as well as executive leadership and internal stakeholders onside. 

In episode 2 of The CMO Awards podcast series, powered by Mi3, three leading marketing chiefs who exhibit influence in spades tell us how they’ve done it: Former Google director of marketing ANZ, Aisling Finch, Tourism Australia CMO, Susan Coghill, and Creative Australia executive director of development and partnerships and former ABC director of audiences, Leisa Bacon. 

For Finch, who spent 13 years with Google, advocating for the local market to global stakeholders was a daily job. Having started with an Australia-first advocacy approach, picking and choosing the metrics that told the story she wanted to tell, she switched a blunt instrument for nuanced engagement and putting herself in the listener’s shoes.

“I found it actually quite a disarming strategy to almost go the opposite way of advocacy and say to people: ‘Okay, so we're 55th in population in the world, why are you even spending time with me?’ It’s almost that underdog card. But then you build a bit of credibility – you bring data, bring empathy… and you start to build a story. It's quite disarming and builds trust when you say, ‘interesting, we’re 55th in terms of population, but guess what, we’re 13th on GDP. And look at the willingness of consumers to spend on smartphones, or content,” she says. “Putting yourself in their shoes, being empathetic, and bringing in data without over advocating – I found that to be more effective.” That, and sharing the odd Tim Tam, she quips. 

Being honest and sharing bad news early is another must CMOs agree on. Coghill, has a “no surprises” rule she applies from team to CEO, finance team, and corporate affairs. “I joke with them I am still a Catholic school girl and feel the need to confess everything and bring everybody into the tent,” she jokes. “But it has served me well, and it has kept my colleagues well informed and able to help me when and where I've needed it.”

It’s a similar philosophy for Bacon. “In media – and especially the ABC – you are so heavily scrutinised, you have to be transparent about the good and bad all the time,” she comments. “I would apply that going forward to every job I would do. Transparency builds credibility, it builds trust, but it also is just a good way of working.”  
Bacon adds: “You can’t actually have influence without credibility, and you need to do things to actually build credibility”.


This CMO Awards podcast series is hosted by Nadia Cameron, associate publisher and editor of marketing at Mi3, plus program leader for the CMO Awards.

Host: Nadia Cameron - Editor - Marketing | Associate Publisher
Being able to convince others is the most critical skill marketers need to possess &nbsp;&ndash; the whole job of marketing is to influence consumers to consider then purchase your brand, after all. But as marketers progress into senior management positions, they also need to get better at getting team members as well as executive leadership and internal stakeholders onside.&nbsp;
In episode 2 of The CMO Awards podcast series, powered by Mi3, three leading marketing chiefs who exhibit influence in spades tell us how they&rsquo;ve done it: Former Google director of marketing ANZ, Aisling Finch, Tourism Australia CMO, Susan Coghill, and Creative Australia executive director of development and partnerships and former ABC director of audiences, Leisa Bacon.&nbsp;
For Finch, who spent 13 years with Google, advocating for the local market to global stakeholders was a daily job. Having started with an Australia-first advocacy approach, picking and choosing the metrics that told the story she wanted to tell, she switched a blunt instrument for nuanced engagement and putting herself in the listener&rsquo;s shoes.
&ldquo;I found it actually quite a disarming strategy to almost go the opposite way of advocacy and say to people: &lsquo;Okay, so we're 55th in population in the world, why are you even spending time with me?&rsquo; It&rsquo;s almost that underdog card. But then you build a bit of credibility &ndash; you bring data, bring empathy&hellip; and you start to build a story. It's quite disarming and builds trust when you say, &lsquo;interesting, we&rsquo;re 55th in terms of population, but guess what, we&rsquo;re 13th on GDP. And look at the willingness of consumers to spend on smartphones, or content,&rdquo; she says. &ldquo;Putting yourself in their shoes, being empathetic, and bringing in data without over advocating &ndash; I found that to be more effective.&rdquo; That, and sharing the odd Tim Tam, she quips.&nbsp;
Being honest and sharing bad news early is another must CMOs agree on. Coghill, has a &ldquo;no surprises&rdquo; rule she applies from team to CEO, finance team, and corporate affairs. &ldquo;I joke with them I am still a Catholic school girl and feel the need to confess everything and bring everybody into the tent,&rdquo; she jokes. &ldquo;But it has served me well, and it has kept my colleagues well informed and able to help me when and where I've needed it.&rdquo;
It&rsquo;s a similar philosophy for Bacon. &ldquo;In media &ndash; and especially the ABC &ndash; you are so heavily scrutinised, you have to be transparent about the good and bad all the time,&rdquo; she comments. &ldquo;I would apply that going forward to every job I would do. Transparency builds credibility, it builds trust, but it also is just a good way of working.&rdquo; &nbsp; Bacon adds: &ldquo;You can&rsquo;t actually have influence without credibility, and you need to do things to actually build credibility&rdquo;.
 This CMO Awards podcast series is hosted by Nadia Cameron, associate publisher and editor of marketing at Mi3, plus program leader for the CMO Awards.

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