Bron is joined by returning guest Matthew Jackson (Psychologist) to chat about working well with clients who are highly narcissistic. They unpack the difference between everyday narcissistic traits, vulnerable (covert) narcissism, grandiose narcissism, and narcissistic personality disorder, and ask why therapy and research have neglected this group.

They chat about:
👉🏽 Narcissism as a spectrum, and why 'entitlement' isn’t always a negative word
👉🏻 Grandiose versus vulnerable narcissism
👉🏿 Common countertransference reactions that therapists can have
👉 Empathic confrontation, here-and-now work and the lack of evidence-based guidelines for NPD
👉🏿 Covert narcissism in psychologists and why supervision matters

Guest: Matthew Jackson, Psychologist

LINKS
Australian Psychological Society journal article on treatment for narcissistic personality disorder: A clinician’s quick guide to evidence-based approaches: Narcissistic personality disorder (King, Grenyer, Gurtman and Younan, Clinical Psychologist, 2020)
Matthew’s earlier Mental Work episode on authenticity: LISTENER STORY: Being a queer therapist, importance of authenticity, leaving the clinical bridging program
Matthew’s appearance on Mastermind (Season 8, Episode 64, SBS On Demand)
Matthew’s appearance on Hard Quiz (Season 11, Episode 11, ABC iview)
Matthew on Instagram: @MatildaMercuryQueen and his Linktree

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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health with an early-career focus. Hosted by Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵

Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com

Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website

CREDITS

Producer: Michael English

Music: Home

Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.

Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.

Bron is joined by returning guest Matthew Jackson (Psychologist) to chat about working well with clients who are highly narcissistic. They unpack the difference between everyday narcissistic traits, vulnerable (covert) narcissism, grandiose narcissism, and narcissistic personality disorder, and ask why therapy and research have neglected this group.
They chat about: 👉🏽 Narcissism as a spectrum, and why 'entitlement' isn&rsquo;t always a negative word 👉🏻 Grandiose versus vulnerable narcissism 👉🏿 Common countertransference reactions that therapists can have 👉 Empathic confrontation, here-and-now work and the lack of evidence-based guidelines for NPD 👉🏿 Covert narcissism in psychologists and why supervision matters
Guest: Matthew Jackson, Psychologist
LINKS
<ul>
<li>Australian Psychological Society journal article on treatment for narcissistic personality disorder: <a href="https://aps.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cp.12214">A clinician&rsquo;s quick guide to evidence-based approaches: Narcissistic personality disorder</a> (King, Grenyer, Gurtman and Younan, Clinical Psychologist, 2020)</li>
<li>Matthew&rsquo;s earlier Mental Work episode on authenticity: <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/listener-story-being-a-queer-therapist-importance-of-authenticity-leaving-the-clinical-bridging-p/">LISTENER STORY: Being a queer therapist, importance of authenticity, leaving the clinical bridging program</a></li>
<li>Matthew&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/tv-series/mastermind/season-8">appearance on Mastermind</a> (Season 8, Episode 64, SBS On Demand)</li>
<li>Matthew&rsquo;s <a href="https://iview.abc.net.au/show/hard-quiz">appearance on Hard Quiz</a> (Season 11, Episode 11, ABC iview)</li>
<li>Matthew on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/matildamercuryqueen/">@MatildaMercuryQueen</a> and his <a href="https://linktr.ee/Matildamercuryqueen">Linktree</a></li>
</ul>
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health with an early-career focus. Hosted by <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/about/" data-airgap-id="8">Dr Bronwyn Milkins</a>.
Support the show by <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/mentalwork" data-airgap-id="9">buying me a virtual coffee</a> ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_mentalworkpodcast/" data-airgap-id="10">DM Bron on Instagram</a>, leave a comment on the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5ifKADwT3mw6yYDZb9rHji" data-airgap-id="11">Spotify episode</a>, or <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com" data-airgap-id="12">email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com</a>
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CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: <a href="https://home96.bandcamp.com/" data-airgap-id="16">Home</a>
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com" data-airgap-id="17">email</a>. Further information can be found <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/p/disclaimer/" data-airgap-id="18">here</a>.

Mental Work is the podcast about working in mental health for psychologists, with an early-career focus. Hosted by Psychologist Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

Mental Work is the podcast about working in mental health for psychologists, with an early-career focus. Hosted by Psychologist Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

A closer look at the everyday challenges faced by early-career mental health workers, so they don’t have to go it alone.