Bron and Hayley unpack the career pathways that psychologists can take to achieve their financial goals. They chat about 👉🏽 Pros and cons of the one-to-one standard way of working 👉🏻 Hayley's career journey into 'one to many' offerings and business coaching 👉 What Hayley views as the next stage in the Psychology profession 👉🏿 How early career psychs can be part of the change!

Guest: Dr Hayley Kelly, CEO and Founder of Therapists Rising / Host of the Therapists Rising podcast

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Mental Work is the podcast unpacking the challenges faced by early career psychologists, so they don’t have to go it alone. Hosted by Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

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CREDITS

Producer: Michael English

Music: Home

Bron and Hayley unpack the career pathways that psychologists can take to achieve their financial goals. They chat about 👉🏽 Pros and cons of the one-to-one standard way of working 👉🏻 Hayley's career journey into 'one to many' offerings and business coaching 👉 What Hayley views as the next stage in the Psychology profession 👉🏿 How early career psychs can be part of the change!
Guest: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-hayley-kelly-12b151a0">Dr Hayley Kelly</a>, CEO and Founder of <a href="https://therapistsrising.com/about/">Therapists Rising</a> / Host of the <a href="https://therapistsrising.com/podcast/">Therapists Rising podcast</a>
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Mental Work is the podcast unpacking the challenges faced by early career psychologists, so they don’t have to go it alone. Hosted by <a href="https://www.podpage.com/mentalwork/about/">Dr Bronwyn </a><a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/about/">Milkins</a>.
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Keep the pod alive by <a href="https://www.patreon.com/mentalworkpodcast">joining our Patreon</a> for $2 a month 😎 Thanks so much to new Patrons, Karen and Craig 💖👏🥳  
Support the show by <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/mentalwork">buying me a virtual coffee</a>! ☕Thanks so much to recent coffee purchasers, Neta, Jemma, and Someone! 
Have an early-career question? <a href="https://www.podpage.com/mentalwork/contact/">Send it to our mailbag!</a>
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CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: <a href="https://home96.bandcamp.com/">Home</a>

Mental Work is the podcast about working in mental health for psychologists, with an early-career focus. Hosted by Psychologist Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

Mental Work is the podcast about working in mental health for psychologists, with an early-career focus. Hosted by Psychologist Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

A closer look at the everyday challenges faced by early-career mental health workers, so they don’t have to go it alone.

Mental Work

Diversifying your work to achieve your financial goals (with Dr Hayley Kelly)

Bron is joined by Huda Al Bukhari (clinical psychologist) for an early-career listener story that spans social work, clinical psychology training, and practising across Australia and Abu Dhabi!

They chat about:

👉🏽 What it was really like to move from social work into psychology, including the fear of "not making it" 
👉🏻 Managing the intensity of a clinical psychology Masters, including what helped
👉🏿 Moving overseas in the middle of a Registrar program
👉🏾 What it's been like working cross-culturally with children and adolescents in Abu Dhabi
👉 Practical strategies that Huda uses to stay grounded and avoid burnout

This episode is a reassuring reminder that early-career paths are rarely linear, and that flexibility, reflection, and support matter. Thank you Huda! 🥰

Guest: Huda Al Bukhari, Clinical Psychologist

LINKS
Huda's Instagram where she shares educational videos for parents: @guiding_youngminds
Huda's LinkedIn

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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵

Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com

Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website

CREDITS

Producer: Michael English

Music: Home

Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.

Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.

Bron is joined by Huda Al Bukhari (clinical psychologist) for an early-career listener story that spans social work, clinical psychology training, and practising across Australia and Abu Dhabi!
They chat about:
👉🏽 What it was really like to move from social work into psychology, including the fear of "not making it"&nbsp; 👉🏻 Managing the intensity of a clinical psychology Masters, including what helped 👉🏿 Moving overseas in the middle of a Registrar program 👉🏾 What it's been like working cross-culturally with children and adolescents in Abu Dhabi 👉 Practical strategies that Huda uses to stay grounded and avoid burnout
This episode is a reassuring reminder that early-career paths are rarely linear, and that flexibility, reflection, and support matter. Thank you Huda! 🥰
Guest: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/guiding_youngminds/">Huda Al Bukhari</a>, Clinical Psychologist
LINKS
<ul>
<li>Huda's Instagram where she shares educational videos for parents: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/guiding_youngminds/">@guiding_youngminds</a></li>
<li>Huda's <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/huda-al-bukhari-16164145/">LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/about/">Dr Bronwyn Milkins</a>.
Support the show by <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/mentalwork">buying me a virtual coffee</a> ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_mentalworkpodcast/">DM Bron on Instagram</a>, leave a comment on the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5ifKADwT3mw6yYDZb9rHji">Spotify episode</a>, or <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com">email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com</a>
<a href="https://www.podpage.com/mentalwork/p/guest/">Apply to be a guest</a> / <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@MentalWorkPodcast">YouTube (with captions &amp; transcript)</a> / <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/">Website</a>
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: <a href="https://home96.bandcamp.com/">Home</a>
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com">email</a>. Further information can be found <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/p/disclaimer/">here</a>.

Listener Story: Social work to clinical psychology & working cross-culturally (with Huda Al Bukhari)

Bron is joined by Claire Trevitt (psychologist and Board-approved supervisor) to unpack one of the most quietly stressful parts of early-career practice: client retention. Together, they explore why clients disengage from therapy and why it’s so often not a sign that you’re “bad at therapy.”

They chat about:
👉🏽 Why ambivalence and drop-out are common (and normal)
👉🏻 How to spot readiness for change through attendance and in-session cues
👉🏿 Practical ways to slow down, check in, and keep clients engaged
👉🏾 Using permission-giving, pacing, and a “menu of choices” in sessions
👉🏼 When supervision, feedback, and skill-building can genuinely help

This episode is a reassuring, practical conversation for early-career psychologists who care deeply about their work and are quietly worrying they’re “not doing enough.” If you’ve ever taken client disengagement personally, this one’s for you!

Guest: Claire Trevitt, Psychologist and Supervisor at The Growing Therapist and Host of the Between Two Psychs Podcast

LINKS
Claire's podcast, Between Two Psychs
Claire's training/supervision website, The Growing Therapist
Outcome Rating Scale and Session Rating Scale

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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵

Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com

Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website

CREDITS

Producer: Michael English

Music: Home

Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.

Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.

Bron is joined by Claire Trevitt (psychologist and Board-approved supervisor) to unpack one of the most quietly stressful parts of early-career practice: client retention.&nbsp;Together, they explore why clients disengage from therapy and why it&rsquo;s so often not a sign that you&rsquo;re &ldquo;bad at therapy.&rdquo;
They chat about: 👉🏽 Why ambivalence and drop-out are common (and normal) 👉🏻 How to spot readiness for change through attendance and in-session cues 👉🏿 Practical ways to slow down, check in, and keep clients engaged 👉🏾 Using permission-giving, pacing, and a &ldquo;menu of choices&rdquo; in sessions 👉🏼 When supervision, feedback, and skill-building can genuinely help
This episode is a reassuring, practical conversation for early-career psychologists who care deeply about their work and are quietly worrying they&rsquo;re &ldquo;not doing enough.&rdquo; If you&rsquo;ve ever taken client disengagement personally, this one&rsquo;s for you!
Guest: Claire Trevitt, Psychologist and Supervisor at <a href="https://www.thegrowingtherapist.com.au/">The Growing Therapist</a> and Host of the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/115PsJxYr8IcoF4KNOOOjO?si=6dd1210c42114344">Between Two Psychs</a> Podcast
LINKS
<ul>
<li>Claire's podcast, <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/115PsJxYr8IcoF4KNOOOjO?si=6dd1210c42114344">Between Two Psychs</a></li>
<li>Claire's training/supervision website, <a href="https://www.thegrowingtherapist.com.au/">The Growing Therapist</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.corc.uk.net/media/2754/ors-srs-david-low-paper-for-cyp-iapt.pdf">Outcome Rating Scale and Session Rating Scale</a></li>
</ul>
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/about/">Dr Bronwyn Milkins</a>.
Support the show by <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/mentalwork">buying me a virtual coffee</a> ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_mentalworkpodcast/">DM Bron on Instagram</a>, leave a comment on the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5ifKADwT3mw6yYDZb9rHji">Spotify episode</a>, or <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com">email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com</a>
<a href="https://www.podpage.com/mentalwork/p/guest/">Apply to be a guest</a> / <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@MentalWorkPodcast">YouTube (with captions &amp; transcript)</a> / <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/">Website</a>
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: <a href="https://home96.bandcamp.com/">Home</a>
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com">email</a>. Further information can be found <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/p/disclaimer/">here</a>.

Strategies for client retention and engagement (with Claire Trevitt)

Bron speaks with Dr Hayley D Quinn (former clinical psychologist turned anti-burnout coach) about the realities of working in mental health when you’re still finding your feet including self-doubt, emotional load, and the pressure to feel more competent than you actually feel. Hayley also shares her personal story of changing careers from clinical psychology to business coaching, and how self-compassion helped her through this enormous period of change.

They chat about:
👉🏽 Early-career self-doubt and imposter syndrome
👉🏻 The emotional impact of client work
👉🏿 Learning to tolerate uncertainty in sessions
👉🏾 Using supervision as support, not performance
👉🏼 Building sustainability rather than perfection

Guest: Dr Hayley D Quinn - Former clinical psychologist turned anti-burnout business coach

LINKS
Hayley's book, From Self-Neglect to Self-Compassion: https://drhayleydquinn.com/product/book/
Hayley's podcast "Welcome to Self": https://drhayleydquinn.com/podcasts/
Hayley's Website, Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram

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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher Dr Bronwyn Milkins.

Support the show by buying me a virtual coffee ☕🍵

Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? DM Bron on Instagram, leave a comment on the Spotify episode, or email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com

Apply to be a guest / YouTube (with captions & transcript) / Website

CREDITS

Producer: Michael English

Music: Home

Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.

Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via email. Further information can be found here.

Bron speaks with Dr Hayley D Quinn (former clinical psychologist turned anti-burnout coach) about the realities of working in mental health when you&rsquo;re still finding your feet including self-doubt, emotional load, and the pressure to feel more competent than you actually feel. Hayley also shares her personal story of changing careers from clinical psychology to business coaching, and how self-compassion helped her through this enormous period of change.
They chat about: 👉🏽 Early-career self-doubt and imposter syndrome 👉🏻 The emotional impact of client work 👉🏿 Learning to tolerate uncertainty in sessions 👉🏾 Using supervision as support, not performance 👉🏼 Building sustainability rather than perfection
Guest: <a href="https://drhayleydquinn.com/">Dr Hayley D Quinn</a> - Former clinical psychologist turned anti-burnout business coach
LINKS
<ul>
<li>Hayley's book,&nbsp;From Self-Neglect to Self-Compassion: <a href="https://drhayleydquinn.com/product/book/">https://drhayleydquinn.com/product/book/</a></li>
<li>Hayley's podcast "Welcome to Self": <a href="https://drhayleydquinn.com/podcasts/">https://drhayleydquinn.com/podcasts/</a></li>
<li>Hayley's <a href="https://drhayleydquinn.com/">Website</a>, <a href="https://www.facebook.com/DrHayleyDQuinnBrisbane/">Facebook</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/dr-hayley-d-quinn-43386533/">LinkedIn</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/drhayleydquinn/">Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
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Mental Work is the podcast for psychologists about the realities of working in mental health, with an early-career focus. Hosted by psychologist/researcher <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/about/">Dr Bronwyn Milkins</a>.
Support the show by <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/mentalwork">buying me a virtual coffee</a> ☕🍵
Have a question, episode idea or just want to say hi? <a href="https://www.instagram.com/_mentalworkpodcast/">DM Bron on Instagram</a>, leave a comment on the <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5ifKADwT3mw6yYDZb9rHji">Spotify episode</a>, or <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com">email mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com</a>
<a href="https://www.podpage.com/mentalwork/p/guest/">Apply to be a guest</a> / <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@MentalWorkPodcast">YouTube (with captions &amp; transcript)</a> / <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/">Website</a>
CREDITS
Producer: Michael English
Music: <a href="https://home96.bandcamp.com/">Home</a>
Commitment: Mental Work believes in an inclusive and diverse mental health workforce. We honour the strength, resilience, and invaluable contributions of mental health workers with lived experiences of mental illness, disability, neurodivergence, LGBTIQA+ identities, and diverse culture and language. We recognise our First Nations colleagues as Traditional Custodians of the land and pay respect to Elders past, present, and emerging. Mental Work is recorded on unceded Whadjuk Noongar boodja.
Disclaimer: Mental Work provides informational content. Mental Work is not a psychological service and being a listener or guest does not establish a therapeutic relationship. Content should not be considered a replacement for professional consultation or therapy. All views expressed are personal, subject to change, and do not represent those of any affiliated employer, service, or organisation past or present. Efforts are made to ensure accuracy, but opinions may not always align with fact. Listeners are encouraged to thoughtfully assess the information presented and report any inaccuracies or concerns via <a href="mailto:mentalworkpodcast@gmail.com">email</a>. Further information can be found <a href="https://www.mentalworkpodcast.com/p/disclaimer/">here</a>.

Diversifying your work to achieve your financial goals (with Dr Hayley Kelly)

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