This year marks 20 years since the Tampa boat was famously turned away from our shores, sparking debate between Australia, Norway and Indonesia over their responsibility to those on board and marking a watershed moment in the creation of a border protection policy that has informed successive governments’ approach to refugees who arrive by boat. Tampa survivor turned Fulbright scholar Abbas Nazari (After the Tampa) discusses the legacy of the incident, the life he has since built in New Zealand, and the power of hope, with journalist Michael Green.

Recorded for MWF in 2021.