Just how far should a creative non-fiction author immerse themselves in a subject when writing a book? Acclaimed authors Sarah Krasnostein and Jenny Valentish discuss meticulously researched new releases that delve deep into the lives of extraordinary people, with Elizabeth McCarthy. Exploring the power of conviction in The Believer, Krasnostein spent time with six people in Australia and the US who hold fast to ideas—from UFOs to assisted dying—even when they sit outside the mainstream. Valentish immersed herself in the lives of body builders, dedicated fighters and BDSM practitioners to find out what drives those who push the limits of endurance in Everything Harder Than Everyone Else.

Recorded for MWF in 2021.