In Episode 113 of Meeting of Minds, Utah State Treasurer Marlo Oaks returns for a compelling discussion on how alternative currencies—especially gold-backed systems—could offer economic resilience and restore financial autonomy to states seeking greater independence from federal monetary policy.

Jerry and Treasurer Oaks explore:
How gold is strengthening state rainy-day funds in Utah
The role of precious metals in safeguarding against inflation and economic instability
The constitutional foundation for issuing gold-backed currency
Whether Bitcoin and digital assets offer a viable alternative in currency crises

This episode dives deep into the intersection of economics, policy, and freedom—don’t miss it!

In Episode 113 of Meeting of Minds, Utah State Treasurer Marlo Oaks returns for a compelling discussion on how alternative currencies&mdash;especially gold-backed systems&mdash;could offer economic resilience and restore financial autonomy to states seeking greater independence from federal monetary policy.
Jerry and Treasurer Oaks explore:
<ul>
<li>How gold is strengthening state rainy-day funds in Utah</li>
<li>The role of precious metals in safeguarding against inflation and economic instability</li>
<li>The constitutional foundation for issuing gold-backed currency</li>
<li>Whether Bitcoin and digital assets offer a viable alternative in currency crises</li>
</ul>
This episode dives deep into the intersection of economics, policy, and freedom&mdash;don&rsquo;t miss it!

Meeting of Minds brings together the top minds in history, theology, finance, economics, language, mathematics and science. Host Jerry Bowyer invites guests to be both intelligent and clear and to follow truth wherever it leads.

Meeting of Minds brings together the top minds in history, theology, finance, economics, language, mathematics and science. Host Jerry Bowyer invites guests to be both intelligent and clear and to follow truth wherever it leads.

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I talk to the smartest people in the world about the wisest people who have ever lived, and I ask them not to dumb it down and not to follow any party line.

I talk to the smartest people in the world about the wisest people who have ever lived, and I ask them not to dumb it down and not to follow any party line.

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Red States, Real Money: Utah Treasurer Marlo Oaks on Gold, Bitcoin, & Economic Freedom

In Ep. 134, Jerry is joined once again by David Bahnsen, founder and managing partner of The Bahnsen Group, for a discussion of David’s latest book, “Profit from the Profit: The Past, Present & Future of Dividend Growth Investing.”

Join us for a discussion of the economic and theological case behind dividend growth investing, why it is so countercultural, and how this approach naturally lends itself to authentic shareholder engagement.

Learn more at thebahnsengroup.com.

In Ep. 134, Jerry is joined once again by David Bahnsen, founder and managing partner of The Bahnsen Group, for a discussion of David&rsquo;s latest book, &ldquo;Profit from the Profit: The Past, Present &amp; Future of Dividend Growth Investing.&rdquo;
Join us for a discussion of the economic and theological case behind dividend growth investing, why it is so countercultural, and how this approach naturally lends itself to authentic shareholder engagement.
Learn more at <a href="https://thebahnsengroup.com/" aria-label="Link thebahnsengroup.com">thebahnsengroup.com</a>.

David Bahnsen: The Moral Roots of Dividend Growth Investing

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From Jerry: The following remarks were given by me at All Saints Episcopal Church shortly after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I was asked to speak by the priest of that church, Father Jay Geisler, and the first minute or so is about his work with addicts.

Ironically, after this call for us to continue to reason together as Christians and to not try to shut out, shut up, or cancel our opponents, shortly after these remarks, the bishop acted to impair me from serving in any leadership post at all in any parish in the diocese.

One year later, after we see the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the hateful and intolerant reaction of many to it, I thought the time had come to publish these remarks here. For what it's worth, knowing that I would be driven out of leadership in a denomination that I had served in for a quarter of a century in reaction to speaking, I still wouldn't change a thing. 

From Jerry: The following remarks were given by me at All Saints Episcopal Church shortly after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. I was asked to speak by the priest of that church, Father Jay Geisler, and the first minute or so is about his work with addicts.
Ironically, after this call for us to continue to reason together as Christians and to not try to shut out, shut up, or cancel our opponents, shortly after these remarks, the bishop acted to impair me from serving in any leadership post at all in any parish in the diocese.
One year later, after we see the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the hateful and intolerant reaction of many to it, I thought the time had come to publish these remarks here. For what it's worth, knowing that I would be driven out of leadership in a denomination that I had served in for a quarter of a century in reaction to speaking, I still wouldn't change a thing.&nbsp;

Jerry Bowyer: On the Death of Charlie Kirk, My Last "Sermon" in the Episcopal Church

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In episode 132, Isaac Willour from Bowyer Research talks with Joel Chakra, president of the Tim Tebow Foundation, about the importance of Christian engagement in technology, the potential for faith-driven innovation, and how believers can lead in the development of tech that promotes human flourishing and serves the vulnerable.

Read Joel's piece at the Believe Journal here: https://www.thebelievejournal.com/p/christians-shouldnt-avoid-tech-we

In episode 132, Isaac Willour from Bowyer Research talks with Joel Chakra, president of the Tim Tebow Foundation, about the importance of Christian engagement in technology, the potential for faith-driven innovation, and how believers can lead in the development of tech that promotes human flourishing and serves the vulnerable.
Read Joel's piece at the Believe Journal here: <a href="https://www.thebelievejournal.com/p/christians-shouldnt-avoid-tech-we">https://www.thebelievejournal.com/p/christians-shouldnt-avoid-tech-we</a>

Tebow’s Joel Chakra: Why Christians Should Dominate Tech

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Red States, Real Money: Utah Treasurer Marlo Oaks on Gold, Bitcoin, & Economic Freedom

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