Derek Kreifels of the State Financial Officers Foundation (https://sfof.com/) talks with Meeting of Minds about how state treasurers have been protecting the assets of their retirees and taxpayers by pulling money away from Wall Street firms that use their own money to vote against their interests. He also discusses OurMoneyOurValues, an educational initiative that explains in clear terms just what ESG is and how it harms us in our day-to-day lives. We learn that fighting against the imposition of politics into the management of pension assets was a winning electoral strategy for conservatives last year.