In this episode of HELLO FUTURE, host Kevin Cirilli speaks with Mattie Duppler, fiscal policy expert, founder of Forward Strategies, and host of The Tradeoff podcast. A former Amazon public affairs leader and Senior Fellow at the National Taxpayers Union, Mattie brings sharp insight into how economic incentives, technology, and worker behavior are reshaping the labor market.

A new Enhancv study reveals that nearly 80% of professionals now treat a second full-time job as essential “private unemployment insurance,” hedging against layoffs in an increasingly volatile economy. Surprisingly, this trend isn’t limited to remote workers — over half of multi-job holders are working mostly in-office. AI is acting as a powerful multiplier, with many completing their primary role in 30 hours or less, while still meeting or exceeding expectations across multiple jobs.

Mattie breaks down why workers are “air-gapping” their income, what this means for the traditional employer-employee contract, and whether this represents a rational response to economic uncertainty or a deeper breakdown in job security. She also explores the long-term implications for productivity, wages, fiscal policy, and how companies might need to rethink loyalty in an era where many high performers are no longer willing to bet their entire livelihood on a single employer.

This is a candid conversation about the future of work, AI’s real-world impact on daily life, and what happens when workers stop believing that one job is enough.

In this episode of HELLO FUTURE, host Kevin Cirilli speaks with Mattie Duppler, fiscal policy expert, founder of Forward Strategies, and host of The Tradeoff podcast. A former Amazon public affairs leader and Senior Fellow at the National Taxpayers Union, Mattie brings sharp insight into how economic incentives, technology, and worker behavior are reshaping the labor market.
A new Enhancv study reveals that nearly 80% of professionals now treat a second full-time job as essential &ldquo;private unemployment insurance,&rdquo; hedging against layoffs in an increasingly volatile economy. Surprisingly, this trend isn&rsquo;t limited to remote workers &mdash; over half of multi-job holders are working mostly in-office. AI is acting as a powerful multiplier, with many completing their primary role in 30 hours or less, while still meeting or exceeding expectations across multiple jobs.
Mattie breaks down why workers are &ldquo;air-gapping&rdquo; their income, what this means for the traditional employer-employee contract, and whether this represents a rational response to economic uncertainty or a deeper breakdown in job security. She also explores the long-term implications for productivity, wages, fiscal policy, and how companies might need to rethink loyalty in an era where many high performers are no longer willing to bet their entire livelihood on a single employer.
This is a candid conversation about the future of work, AI&rsquo;s real-world impact on daily life, and what happens when workers stop believing that one job is enough.

HELLO, FUTURE with Kevin Cirilli is the daily podcast where tomorrow’s biggest questions come alive. Are aliens already visiting us? Could your next job be in space? What if satellites could find lost cities, or stop the next wildfire? What happens if America loses the space race… or if every satellite went dark tomorrow? From Mars to UFOs, from flying cars to “civilization starter kits,” each episode blends science, technology, and imagination with the real choices shaping our world. It’s smart, fast, and curious, built for anyone who’s ever looked up at the night sky and wondered what comes next. This isn’t science fiction. It’s the future, knocking on your door. 

Kevin Cirilli is the founder of meet the future™ (mtf.tv). Cirilli has advised some of the nation’s leading military nonprofit philanthropists and policymakers and he is an emerging playwright. As a journalist, he is the former Chief Washington Correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Radio, where he covered the White House, Congress, and global economic policy while anchoring a daily geopolitical business affairs program.

Before founding mtf.tv, Kevin appeared across nearly every major network — including CBS News, MSNBC, CNN, FOX News, C-SPAN, NPR, and Yahoo Finance — providing nonpartisan political and economic analysis and conducting exclusive interviews with some of the most influential figures of the 21st century. He was also a media fellow at the Atlantic Council in the Global China Hub.

He has reported from across the United States and around the world — including assignments in Israel, Vietnam, and Saudi Arabia — covering pivotal moments in global affairs and the people driving change.

HELLO, FUTURE with Kevin Cirilli&nbsp;is the daily podcast where tomorrow&rsquo;s biggest questions come alive. Are aliens already visiting us? Could your next job be in space? What if satellites could find lost cities, or stop the next wildfire? What happens if America loses the space race&hellip; or if every satellite went dark tomorrow? From Mars to UFOs, from flying cars to &ldquo;civilization starter kits,&rdquo; each episode blends science, technology, and imagination with the real choices shaping our world. It&rsquo;s smart, fast, and curious, built for anyone who&rsquo;s ever looked up at the night sky and wondered what comes next. This isn&rsquo;t science fiction. It&rsquo;s the future, knocking on your door.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-cirilli-943b162a/">Kevin Cirilli</a>&nbsp;is the founder of meet the future&trade; (mtf.tv). Cirilli has advised some of the nation&rsquo;s leading military nonprofit philanthropists and policymakers and he is an emerging playwright. As a journalist, he is the former Chief Washington Correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Radio, where he covered the White House, Congress, and global economic policy while anchoring a daily geopolitical business affairs program.
Before founding mtf.tv, Kevin appeared across nearly every major network &mdash; including CBS News, MSNBC, CNN, FOX News, C-SPAN, NPR, and Yahoo Finance &mdash; providing nonpartisan political and economic analysis and conducting exclusive interviews with some of the most influential figures of the 21st century. He was also a media fellow at the Atlantic Council in the Global China Hub.
He has reported from across the United States and around the world &mdash; including assignments in Israel, Vietnam, and Saudi Arabia &mdash; covering pivotal moments in global affairs and the people driving change.

HELLO FUTURE with Kevin Cirilli

In this episode of HELLO FUTURE, host Kevin Cirilli speaks with Mattie Duppler, fiscal policy expert, founder of Forward Strategies, and host of The Tradeoff podcast. A former Amazon public affairs leader and Senior Fellow at the National Taxpayers Union, Mattie brings sharp insight into how economic incentives, technology, and worker behavior are reshaping the labor market.

HELLO FUTURE: Secret Overemployment — Why 80% of Professionals Are Quietly Building Their Own Unemployment Insurance

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