In this episode of HELLO FUTURE, host Kevin Cirilli continues his conversation with Jason Morales, CEO and co-founder of UNTILL, diving deeper into the practical challenge of changing our relationship with phones and attention. Building on the big-picture discussion of the attention economy, Morales explains how UNTILL aims to create real incentives for people to disconnect and spend more time offline.

The conversation explores what it takes to shift behavior at scale, how a business can be built around helping people spend less time glued to screens, and whether carefully designed rewards and systems can compete with the powerful forces that keep us scrolling. At its heart, the episode asks a deceptively simple question with massive implications: How do you actually get people to put their phones down?

In this episode of HELLO FUTURE, host Kevin Cirilli continues his conversation with Jason Morales, CEO and co-founder of UNTILL, diving deeper into the practical challenge of changing our relationship with phones and attention. Building on the big-picture discussion of the attention economy, Morales explains how UNTILL aims to create real incentives for people to disconnect and spend more time offline.
The conversation explores what it takes to shift behavior at scale, how a business can be built around helping people spend less time glued to screens, and whether carefully designed rewards and systems can compete with the powerful forces that keep us scrolling. At its heart, the episode asks a deceptively simple question with massive implications: How do you actually get people to put their phones down?

HELLO, FUTURE with Kevin Cirilli is the daily podcast where tomorrow’s biggest questions come alive. Are aliens already visiting us? Could your next job be in space? What if satellites could find lost cities, or stop the next wildfire? What happens if America loses the space race… or if every satellite went dark tomorrow? From Mars to UFOs, from flying cars to “civilization starter kits,” each episode blends science, technology, and imagination with the real choices shaping our world. It’s smart, fast, and curious, built for anyone who’s ever looked up at the night sky and wondered what comes next. This isn’t science fiction. It’s the future, knocking on your door. 

Kevin Cirilli is the founder of meet the future™ (mtf.tv). Cirilli has advised some of the nation’s leading military nonprofit philanthropists and policymakers and he is an emerging playwright. As a journalist, he is the former Chief Washington Correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Radio, where he covered the White House, Congress, and global economic policy while anchoring a daily geopolitical business affairs program.

Before founding mtf.tv, Kevin appeared across nearly every major network — including CBS News, MSNBC, CNN, FOX News, C-SPAN, NPR, and Yahoo Finance — providing nonpartisan political and economic analysis and conducting exclusive interviews with some of the most influential figures of the 21st century. He was also a media fellow at the Atlantic Council in the Global China Hub.

He has reported from across the United States and around the world — including assignments in Israel, Vietnam, and Saudi Arabia — covering pivotal moments in global affairs and the people driving change.

HELLO, FUTURE with Kevin Cirilli&nbsp;is the daily podcast where tomorrow&rsquo;s biggest questions come alive. Are aliens already visiting us? Could your next job be in space? What if satellites could find lost cities, or stop the next wildfire? What happens if America loses the space race&hellip; or if every satellite went dark tomorrow? From Mars to UFOs, from flying cars to &ldquo;civilization starter kits,&rdquo; each episode blends science, technology, and imagination with the real choices shaping our world. It&rsquo;s smart, fast, and curious, built for anyone who&rsquo;s ever looked up at the night sky and wondered what comes next. This isn&rsquo;t science fiction. It&rsquo;s the future, knocking on your door.&nbsp;
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevin-cirilli-943b162a/">Kevin Cirilli</a>&nbsp;is the founder of meet the future&trade; (mtf.tv). Cirilli has advised some of the nation&rsquo;s leading military nonprofit philanthropists and policymakers and he is an emerging playwright. As a journalist, he is the former Chief Washington Correspondent for Bloomberg Television and Radio, where he covered the White House, Congress, and global economic policy while anchoring a daily geopolitical business affairs program.
Before founding mtf.tv, Kevin appeared across nearly every major network &mdash; including CBS News, MSNBC, CNN, FOX News, C-SPAN, NPR, and Yahoo Finance &mdash; providing nonpartisan political and economic analysis and conducting exclusive interviews with some of the most influential figures of the 21st century. He was also a media fellow at the Atlantic Council in the Global China Hub.
He has reported from across the United States and around the world &mdash; including assignments in Israel, Vietnam, and Saudi Arabia &mdash; covering pivotal moments in global affairs and the people driving change.

HELLO FUTURE with Kevin Cirilli

In this episode of HELLO FUTURE, host Kevin Cirilli continues his conversation with Jason Morales, CEO and co-founder of UNTILL, diving deeper into the practical challenge of changing our relationship with phones and attention. Building on the big-picture discussion of the attention economy, Morales explains how UNTILL aims to create real incentives for people to disconnect and spend more time offline.

HELLO FUTURE: How Do You Actually Get People to Put Their Phones Down?

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