Full Show Podcast: 27 January 2025

Published Jan 27, 2025, 3:56 AM

On the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Full Show Podcast for the 27th of January, the Prime Minister wants to break the Kiwi culture of saying no - how do you do that?

The Afternoons duo also ask, do you have to buy something before you use a business's toilet?

And this one nearly broke the phones - concert etiquette - why can’t you stand up and dance if you want to? 

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Hello you, great New Zealanders. You're listening to matt and Tyler Afternoons podcast from Unday, the twenty seventh of July twenty twenty five. Great show today. Half the country's on holiday with Auckland Anniversary Day and Northland Anniversary Day, so we went for some pretty fun topics just to get people going. We got stuck into fecal terrorists. We did a bit of concert chat and as New Zealand being Nay says and I always say this because we're about to explain it in a second. But had a good time.

Yeah, absolutely great show for a Monday when half the country's off.

Yees, so look set to download and follow and such and share and give them a taste to keep from me.

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Gooday to you, Welcome into the show Monday. Hope you're living it up wherever you're listening in the country.

Yeah, if you're working south of Topol. Wherever you are, then thanks for tuning in. If you're on holiday like everyone is around we are and up north and a lot of them North Island, then thanks for listening as well.

Yeah. Absolutely, it was quite on the motorway which was nice actually straight run into the city.

Few people driving back today, they might be listening in their cars. It'll be interested in their topic after two around toilets.

Yet they certainly will be on to what will be a great show as always three o'clock. Now, you had a great weekend down in Topoor, lovely part of the country for what was a very successful concert series.

Yeah, that's right. Long to see ever clear. But Growner and Ice House and Cold Chisel at the summer series. Fantastically run event actually by Greenstone. They put on a great show, very easy to get in, very easy to get drinks and it was a party time.

Yep. But you did upset one particular individual.

Ah yeah, Okay, we're going to be talking about this later in the show, after three, I believe.

So.

Yeah. No, I don't know if I upset them really, but I just want to talk about it really, I mean, if I did upset them, I don't care, But I just really want to talk about the rules of going to a concert and whether you have the right to sit down at a concert and tell other people to sit down just because you don't want to stand up. I believe the rule is, and this is an unwritten rule, that for the headlining act, the final act of the night, then it is expected everyone will be standing up. Everyone will be well refreshed by then, they'll be hydrated, and they'll be ready to go. And I don't think you're the good person if you're on your very small camp chair and you're telling everyone to sit down. I don't know. But are there rules? I don't know if there are rules, But it's the same when there's a tribing scored, because I've been at All Blacks games before, when I've jumped up to celebrate when a try has been scored and the person beside me has gone sit down, And I think there are just rules of appearing. When the All Black score a try, you jump up and celebrate, and if you don't, you don't have to. But if you don't, you can't expect other people to sit on their seat.

Do you reckon? That's a uniquely key we thing and I don't want to slam key audiences, but we tend to be quite reserved that as you say, we don't want to get up and dance at a concert. We don't want to get up and scream yes when our team scores a try. I mean you've got to get excited by those sort of events, don't you.

Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know if it's a uniquely uniquely KEI we thing. Yeah, I don't know. I mean we're definitely quiet at sports fixtures compared to other places around the world. The amount of singing that we get done. I think a lot of that's to do with the amount of music that is played between and cricket, especially between overs. It stops people from really making their own noise. But yeah, I know people were pretty loose at the Black Laft.

Yeah good, But that's going to be a great discussion after three o'clock concert etiquette and standing up to have a bit of a boogie when the time's right after two o'clock. Is it's okay for businesses to deny you access to the toilets if you don't buy product at their business. It's all kicking off in the UK. This is on the back actually of Starbucks, which had an open door policy across many of its franchisees. They've now reversed that when it comes to using their toilets, that if you want to use one of their lows, you've got to buy a coffee or a scorn or one of their products. And a lot of small businesses in the UK are reversing their policies as well, saying that it was just too much effort. The state of some of those toilets and those businesses were to an extent where it was too much hassle for them to say, yep, come and use our toilet without buying anything. It's controversial, Yeah, I don't know.

I mean I would never expect to be able to just go and use an establishment's bathroom without paying for something, because as a person that used to have to clean toilets in an establishment that was open to the public, there's a lot of people, there's a lot of good people out there that use a toilet in a respectful fashion, but there is an incredible amount of people out there that are disgusting, and so just having anyone beg able to come up, I've come off the street and use the toilet. It's a risky business, but yeah, I if I go into an establishment and I want to use the toilet, minimum, even at a service station, minimum buying pack of gum. Yeah, absolutely minimum. Of course. Of course, what do you reckon? You recking? You should just you can just unleash wherever you want to go.

If the business is a multinational corporation like McDonald's or BP for that matter, or one of those service stations. Yeah, I don't feel rude by jumping in there when I've got to having a wee stop and jump into the toilets and you know, use it with respect. I've got to say, oh yeah, hopefully. But I say that, and part of me is feeling a little bit dirty, a little bit sneaky for doing that. So that probably says a lot that I know it's kind of a little bit wrong with just sneaking in there without buying anything. But we're going to open that discussion up after two o'clock because right now we want to have a chat about whether New Zealand has a problem or a culture of naysayers.

I think we definitely do. I think there's people in New Zealand and the Minister has pointed it out in his State of the Nation's speech. We have people that celebrate and saying no. They love to the wield the power of immediately shutting down people with good ideas, and they love that. You can just list a million reasons why that can't happen. As the Premister said, too often when it comes to economic growth, we slipped into a culture of saying no. It's all as easy for someone to find a reason to get in the way and find a problem. But we need to shift our mindset and embrace a gross Now. The problem with that is with a culture. So the culture of naysaying is so ingrained in New Zealand. Did it used to be in New Zealand used to be the place of saying yes at let's just get it done. But in recent years it's become a nasaying culture. How do you fight a nasa to How do you get rid of them? How do you get around them? How do you I think shame is a good technique. I think shame has worked on it a lot long for a long time. You go, what are you scared of? That kind of approach if someone says something or you know, because some people won't even go on the flight of fancy. That's the thing that annoys me. You come up with an idea and before you can even entertain the possibility that it might happen, you know, just sell the dream and picture it, they come in with, no, this wouldn't work out, No, this woudn't work And I think it's a powerplay from those people. People who don't have ideas stop other people's ideas.

Yeah, it sometimes does feel like we're stuck in a ertia and just you know, in daily life it does my headen as well. If someone says, nah, we can't do that, We've never done it. My instant response is, why why can't we do it? Let's run through the variables here and figure out, Okay, why can't we do things a little bit differently. But you're right, there's always something to say, nah, na, nah, it's always been done. This is kind of working wrong.

At the end of last year, say, I'm talking about the shame thing so with Laneway, right, the Laneway Festival in Auckland, and they were, you know, the year before they allowed sixteen and seventeen year olds in there, like they go to sporting events. They couldn't drink but they were allowed in and then some people said no this year they're not. Those people should be shamed, that there should be a social cost for being a nasay, you should be you should experience kickback. That's my's that's the best way forward.

I think we've got a big thing about public submissions right when it comes to policy or any decision being made. You think there is too much public submission going on that that open up every little thing to what the public has to say. And I know that's part of democracy, but sometimes I feel it's just too much. The public doesn't need to say about everything.

Well, like as Helen Clark said around the Eden Park concerts and the Prime Minister's comments about people saying no, She said the Prime minister's comments is consistent with his government's reject of sound planning law, policy and practice, as evidence in the Fast Track legislation. Sound planning enables a wide range of voices on planning applications to be heard, including those voicing environmental and community concerns, rather than enabling those in authority predetermining outcomes through one sided processes. That sounds the sound bite that that sounds like wheels grinding to a Holtwark. That's how things don't happen the idea that you celebrate that as a prost to celebrating the person that comes up with the idea and is trying to push it forward. And we're trying to clear the path with their idea, trying to clear the way for something fantastic that makes the place, a bet of the country a better place.

Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If we can all agree we are a bit of a country of naysayers. What the heck do we do with it? And in your own personal life or business for that matter, what do you do with those people who continuously say, Nah, we can't do it. Love to hear from you. Nine two ninety two is the text number as well. It is a quarter past one. Great to have you company. As always, you're listening to Matt and Tyler.

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Be a very good afternoon to you. Welcome in to Mondane. We're talking about naysayers and new Zelen on the back of something the Prime Minister said.

Too often when it comes to economic growth, we have slipped into a culture of saying no, and it's always easy to force someone to find a reason to get in the way and find a problem. But we need to shift our mindset and embrace growth. There's always a reason to say no. But if we keep saying no, I'm telling you we'll keep going Nowhere, there.

We go back back, I'm back.

Yeah.

I was going to say, there's a lot of discreshing in the background of that Prime Minister's speech, wasn't.

Here, Yeah, to focus a little bit. Was that a restaurant?

Yeah, when they didn't say no to service? Well there, Although I've got to say the Prime Minister did say no to coming on the show today to talk about the subject, but he had good reasons to.

He said it politely.

There was a bunch of stuff on. Yeah, he had some stuff on. But when I said, can we get the Prime minister on to talk about that, so I said, there's no way he can say no, because you just said there's too much nose people saying no.

A little bit of irony there, Prime Minister. If you're listening some great tents coming through though, Matt, you're a one hundred percent right. We say no all the time, you should buy something. Ah, this is for a topic a little bit later on Sarah.

This is too. This is two coming together, these topics.

The hybrid topics. So one, you're one hundred percent right on the naysayers. Yeah, And then Sarah wants to have a chat about should you buy something from a business to use their toilet? That's after two o'clock and she says, yes, you have to buy something, so double where me there?

Okay, we one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Nine two ninety two is the text number. Let's talk about what we do about all the naysayers in this country.

David, how are you.

This afternon yees go, Welcome back and happy twenty five.

To you those yeah too, and to you.

You're working on the public holiday and that's a part of the shame.

Yeah, we certainly are. And look the office is empty and we're feeling quite virtuous about it. Actually, yeah, but.

We feel like backbones of New Zealand at the moment.

But I've got to say I'm gott to tell you, David, we are sort of on a similar ghostlow as well. It's just sort of a sligh holidays I have going on, you know, but we'll try and rack it, rack it up for you.

No, look, you're doing very well. It's good to hear you again. Look they say is yes in a word, it's a bit subjective, but yes, I feel that very strong. The country has lost its backbone and saying no to things is a lot easier than saying yes. And just one initial example, if I often take it something to get prepared or for cardigate looked at verbally, you get, oh, we'll have a look at it. We'll see what we can do. I've been had to seize you know, previous years. And either you say yet we can fix it. No, we can't take it to break down the road. Just wishy washy business. And look, I think Matt and Tyler you're both Cantabrian, so I've got that right or not.

I'm a I'm a Tiger Wian if you if you'd.

And on top of the South, but you know, let's say I'm I'm a MESSI fan of the people at Canary.

Okay up, I went to school, no years were there, but just one of the mast two things. Number one is you mentioned in the early settlers eighteen the eighteen forty arriving in Middleton in their first wull ships, and they eventually get to climb up to the port hills. I look down at what was it, lady Great Swamp, which is the development city of christ Church des five Minites. Great is now a shimmering example of, you know, a lovely city. And if they got to the top of the porthills and looked down at the swam and said, nah, no, I can't train it. Let's get, let's get let's get down to duned and look. I wanted to quote Judge Bernard Shaw and it was a famous crack. I'm sure if it was actually picked up in more recent years by Bobby Kennedy at the eulogy he made to JFK. Right, and I'm sure you've heard it. Some men see things as they are and ask why I dream of things that have never been and asked why not?

That's good and that.

And that's how we got That's what JFK eventually picked up that philosophy, and that's how we got they not, that's how the state's got for their unlearn.

And also got another great another great from that family. As we do things but not because they're easy, but because they're hard. That's another great line.

And I'm not quite sure about our mate Donald who wants the land of a flag or mos. Do you hear that?

Yeah? I heard that. But also interestingly, he is about to release the JFK and r f K and Martin Luther King Junior the complete the A, C, I, A files and m B files on that. I wonder if there isn't going to be anything interesting in that.

Yeah, and you've got to say that, I mean, David Oh and to you as well, Man Elon Musk. Whatever people think about Elon, that guy has got a can do attitude. People laughed at him when he set up as the rocket company SpaceX, They laughed at him when they when he set up TESTA. He is now the richest person in the world.

There been some comments on your great station the last few days about people maybe talk about late at night people phoning up, referring to him as a moron and the idiots. Now, idiots don't become truth in you know, And you did not make a Nazi salute for God's That was ridiculous.

That was ridiculous. I mean, just people just need to think two steps past that that that that. I found that whole thing annoying and I was actually shocked that media in New Zealand were broadcasting like that. It was even suggesting that that's what there was anyway that that's a whole other issue. But I do also find it funny when people say Elon Musk is a moron. He clearly isn't. You don't have an argument if you're saying he's a more and he's quantified to me, you may disagree with him on what he does, and you may disagree about how he goes about things, but to say he's a more honor and idiot, you've lost the argument immediately when it comes to that. When I was growing when I was growing up, David, just back to a point you said before. On the farm and just outside Dunedin, on our top paddock, we had the ruins of some people that arrived, you know, one of the early settlers that arrived in the tiny little stone shack that they used to live in. It was a whole family lived up there and they just got there. They arrived, they found that their land was essentially just bush miles away from where they got off that they'd bought basically being ripped off by a company overseas, and then had to hack the bush and live in this tiny, tiny stone. It's the tiniest house. It had six people living it cheap.

Yeah, I've lost that.

We've lost the the gonheads of speel approach. If you know what I mean. We equeous to mediocrity.

Yeah, question, Yeah, we've said David, thanks you call David Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. I mean just going back to the bitter heritage on your farm down in Dunedin. That is ballsy. There was no wingy back then. There was no sorry, we can't do this. They had no choice right either do it or stuff stuff, bring back their philosophy. Ninety two is the text number. It is twenty five past one.

Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

In a country where we already build too many houses on productive land, also planting trees on that sort of land is criminal and stupid. What this country does is feed the world. But here is where the old freedom of movement and thinking comes in. If you've got one hundred hectores, and the person who wants to buyas wants to plant trees is offering more than the bloke next door who wants to expand us farm and keep sheep. You are now potentially limited by a government that has decided for you what you do with your and that's always a fairly tricky area.

Monday, we will work out trees.

Aren't the answer to climate change, and by the time we worked that out, reconverting that land won't be possible. So in that sense, this decision basically saves us from ourselves. Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic asking Breakfast with Bailey's Realers, Date News Talks, There be.

Good afternoon twenty eight past one. Have we lost our can do attitude in New Zealand? Our Prime Minister Christopher Luxon thinks we have and we say no far too often. Mckend to hear what you say. Oh eight one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call get a ron.

Hey, guys are interesting in conversation here we have I agree with lunch and I'm following from I'm actually the the and so I'm following from your partners conversation. But you know, our farms, farm says built osious housing and stone and that, and you know they're still still Liverpool, you know, built in the ninety hundreds. But going on from that, like every time I read some organizational county ones to build a wind farm in central or South or something. You know, we will want to be green energy, you know, we will want that. It's great, but no, there's all these these no it's it's you know, could could invaders or you know, you know solar panel farm. Oh, you know, the batteries and the living in batteries and that might catch on fire. You know, God's sake, we've have lost that Kiwi ingenuity and just you know, looking outside the square that we used to be that sort of.

A nation ron, how do you reckon? You get round a naysayer because everyone puts up their hand and they like to exert power against people that have ideas and a dreaming of better things. How do you navigate those people because there's a lot of them and they've currently got the reins.

Well, you need you need the government to come through with reducing these restrictions on stuff like that and just say no, we're going to build it. We're going to do it. Look, you know, you wouldn't build the Clyde then today, would it? Because there was Oh no, you're going to flood that belly and oh my god, you know a few shoot trees are going to drown. Who gives us stuff? Drown them? Look at look at you know, look look at Cromwell now look it's as fine, you know, but I mean we've got electricity being generated from the Clyde, the Clyde River. You know, we didn't know everything would be stolen in a horse and cart.

On the political front round, do you think m MP has played a part here where effectively you know, therese therese too many cooks in the kitchen. You've given smaller parties too much of a voice in some scenarios.

Yeah, I was, Yeah, no I'm not sure about that. There well, yes there is, there is, Yeah, there is. When you know, I watched the Parliament on TV and after these and you've got these little miner parties, you know, trying to dictate for the whole country. Like you know, we've got to think that they're great and good to you, like we can't just you know, I see something about sea bed mining or something, you know, you know it was full kilometers off the coast, Like not even goes fishing that far. I do, I'm italio. I mean, you know they weren't about sucking with a sand. Now the Asian it's five kilometers off the coast, so that oh, you know, big demonstration is going to pick down beach four kilometers off the coas is not going to pick your buddy beach.

Yeah, I was.

I think, like, you know, you're talking about MP Tyler, But I think if you're going to change a country, it has to be in your interactions. Because we don't have that most people on day to day boasters don't have that kind of level of power operating those circles. But we do sit around tables and we do talk to people, and a lot of us in small businesses or wherever our workplaces and deal with people that say no. So I believe it has to start with your even within your family, people saying.

We can't do that for the greater good. The greater good of the country's got to count first, surely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, I mean, like if everyone starts dealing, and because I believe you can shame naysays, I believe that you can call them chickens. You go, you can go. You know that that worked for a long time. You're scared, Yeah, you're scared.

Yeah, we're on the playground something awesome.

But I'm not even really I'm not even really joking with that. I think that that people feel virtuous because they shut things down, and I think we need to celebrate people that open things up and dream big and try things and fail and succeed. You know, at least go on flight to fancy and see if you can do it.

Yeah, Ron, thank you very much for giving us a buzz. All right, have a good afternoon. O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Do we need to start shaming the naysayers and just quickly Matt the other one. And I mean you'd call them rogues or mavericks. These are people that just go and do something, whether they get from mission or not. And I think is as New Zealanders, we like those people if they just go and do something because they think it's the right thing to do, and then they get a lot of grief for it. I kind of like the philosophy just do and ask for forgiveness down the track.

Yeah, I mean, and that's and we're not talking about your Bernie Madoffs. You know, you know, these are people that have honest adventures, honest ventures that are where they want to, where they want to create and build businesses and and things, you know, for the you know, for the good of themselves and for the good of the country, because those two things can go hand in hand.

Yep oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love to hear your thoughts on this one. It is twenty six to two. Back in a.

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Thank you very much, Rayleen. We're talking about are we a country of naysayers? On the back of what Prime Minister Christopher Luxeen had to say.

Too often when it comes to economic growth, we've slipped into a culture of saying no. And it's always easy to force someone to find own reason to get in the way and find a problem. But we need to shift our mindset and embrace growth. There's always a reason to say no. But if we keep saying no, I'm telling you we'll keep going nowhere.

It's a good line, good line. Is it true?

Though?

Are we a bunch of naysayers?

Yeah? And how do you deal with the naysayer if we are? Because you can say something like that and good on them, But how do you deal with it? Because if we do have a culture of saying no, and I think you need to deal with it one on one every time it comes up. You know, because you can point to councils, you can put the government point, but you know, what about people that you're working with on a day to day that I had this situation where I came up with this fantastic idea that I text to the boss of a company yep, and he said this was great, and he seed me in with other people in his company. Great response, and then he got like then an email that came back was about three pages of why this wouldn't work. And then he then the response from him to all was just Jesus Christ. And I wasn't sure what he meant by Jesus Christ dot dot dot dot, whether it was Jesus Christ. We can't do it because all those reasons or Jesus Christ. That's a lot of reasons not to do quite a simple thing.

Yeah, did you ever find out?

I haven't. Actually I look for to talking to this guy again next time I do. But I read it that, oh my god, let's just do it.

Three pages of yeah, reasons why you can't do something. If if he's the boss of a company, you'd think he's saying, Man, that's a lot of reasons of just saying no, let's do it.

And it was a great idea of mine. But I'm I'm still trying to push this through, so I'm not going to say what it is. It's going to happen. It's going to happen, this idea of mine.

Oh that's a great tease. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you want to text through. You can nine two ninety two Neil. How are you this afternoon?

Ah, I'm very well, thank you?

How are you very good? Do you think we are a bunch of nassas we say no to pretty much everything can progress just gets ground to a halt.

I just wanted to briefly say that I think one of the worst organizations to do this are local body councils. But there are lots of stories out there of people with good ideas or people want to do developments and a whole different lot of fields go to the council to try and talk it through. No, you can't do that. No, this is why there are lots of stories out there. There are people who've almost written books about it. So that's just my opinion.

No, No, that's and a lot of people would agree with that, Neil, do you think that is because local body government, by their very nature nature, there's a lot of layers there. So if you want to do anything, you've got to go through a myriad of different people, and you're going to come across one of them who's just a massive nasance. It can't be done too hard. Sorry, try again.

Yeah, well that may it will be yeah yeah, and good glogal bodies. It's more and more difficult to actually talk to anybody at all. They're very reluctant, some of them, to actually talk.

It's funny though, because it's what you want to happen, or not often what aligns with what you want. So for example, there was the meyor Wayne Brown was pushing back against the pedestrian crossings that were costing half a million dollars. So that's what some that's what someone someone really wanted to do that and they pushed it through and that was their dream, to spend huge amounts of money on pedestrian crossings when you could actually just deal with a can of paint. So, yeah, like some things do need to be stopped.

There's a balance, isn't it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, But but I guess, but I guess what I'm kind of talking about is whenever I you know, I've been noticing this thing, whenever even.

And I was talking to a friend of mine who's Australian's come over here and he's running a company over here, running a business over here, and he said, what he found in New Zealand is people just lining up you say something, They don't even walk down the path. We're not even walked down the path of the fantasy unicorn half hour where you just dream of it. It's immediately no no no no no no no no no no. Rather than let's look at the possibility, let's open our heart and look at the possibility of maybe being able to do this idea, this business, this way that we could make some money or do a new start a venture. It's no, no, no, no no.

And that that's the attitude that counsel local bodies should have when someone goes to them to try and discust something that they want to do, other than just say no, you can't do that, which does happen a lot. Yeah, tools true, and let's see how we could do something here or assist you or whatever. Yeah.

I mean the hard part about that, Neil is there has been examples of that happening in local body. I just think after the earthquakes and christ It's right, they had this campaign called Share an Idea where people of Canterbury could share an idea about what they wanted the city to look like. And all these fantastic ideas were shared and they had hundreds of thousands of ideas came through and that got presented to the government because the government kind of took over. Jerry Brownlee was the Minister of earthquake Recovery and I think maybe one of those ideas got got across the line. In the ends, most of them the government just said Nah, too hard, too expensive, can't do it. Sorry.

Yeah, yeah, well obviously you can't do you there lots of the.

Good on you, Neil, thank you, and here in lies the problem wriders. There's got to be a balance. You can't have every wishy washy idea being presented to local or central government saying, yep, I think this is a fantastic idea. Let's have a think about this.

This text is interesting on is just an idea? A no is easier to reverse than a yes. Do the ground work first before presenting the idea. Alternatively, sow the seed, nurture it and watch it grow. Yougo go off and be the barrier to getting things to progress, or you know, to quote the Stoics, the obstacle is the way. So if a lot of people are saying no, that's the path that you have to go through to get your idea across. Just because they're saying no, it doesn't mean you stop.

That shows your messala you've got the character to push through those challenges.

Yeah.

Yeah, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It is sixteen to two.

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They'd be good afternoon thirteen to two, And we're having a good debate about whether we're a bunch of naysayers in New Zealand and if we are, what do we do about it? How do you shut down those people who continuously say no to everything?

Yeah? So, Chris, your thoughts on that?

Yeah?

So in general, what you're saying is absolutely correct. And my background is in the investigation space and audit space, and I have found that it's third tier managers that are scared of being sound, not performing or failing in things and by their staff. So before they don't approve up because they don't want to take the risk. When I wor portrayed me or I we portrayed me a few years ago, and I was a manager level there, and we would stand around the pool table every day and throw out ideas on what to do. After we discussed them with our team, we'd talk about them as else and then we would trust our staff that they've done the right thing, and then they would want to give it a go.

So we went off and tried it.

If it failed, we went, oh bugger that didn't work, No blame, Let's find something better to do. I absolutely believe that we are no organization and we don't want to get things to go, and that's going to stifle our growth.

Yeah, and that's part of it, isn't it that the consequences for something failing what stops people people doing things? So sorry, but I was just going to say that even if one in four things you try succeed, that's actually pretty good good success rate, wouldn't you say?

Absolutely?

And I do a lot of stuff with I volunteer with youth groups, and what I find my role is to facilitate a path that they can try something, so they have an idea, we give them resources, we give it a go, and if it didn't work, we say, what have you learned or I'm an idiot? No, you've learned to get something you go And this one failed because of X, Y and Z, Right, how are we going to do something differently? And then what you're doing is you're trying to get them to grow your imagination and then to have a give it a go chance. And I'm not going to succeed all the time. And you know, if you fail ten times and you win once. What you've had is you've had ten opportunities to improve.

Yeah, it's a cliche, you're not learning, it's a cliche, but you know, failure is learning. So what do you think about what I was saying before? And I was kind of being a little bit facetious with it, and maybe not maybe was, but this is how we used to deal with things when I first started out and the things we're doing. We used to shame people that would be asas we'd call them chickens. Do you think that's Do you think that's too too far?

Yeah?

I think I think that is. And the reason is that, like I'm on the sixties and you guys are somewhere below that, and I reckon it's the thirties to forty group. We need to change our way of verbalizing that. So instead of saying your chicken, you don't want to give it a go, blah blah blah, as you turn around and you say something like what can I do to help you give this a go? Because if you don't give it a go, I have failed but not given you that opportunity and don't be scared about it. And if we were like that all the way up to CEOs. Give it a go, Give it a go. That one thing that worked might be worth a million dollars and the other ones were only worth fifty thousand dollars in failure.

Give a taste the carey. Now, interesting thing you say there because because because I was saying this to my son the other day, because he's going off into into the world now, he's just finished school, and he was thinking about what he's going to do. And I say, it doesn't matter if what you start doing you do something else or or it fails or succeeds. You're young, and now's the time to just do some stuff. Is as long as you're doing something and trying things, meeting people, getting competent at different things, because you don't know which way the path goes. And I think a lot of people, I guess they'd stagnate around having to make a decision because that decision has to definitely succeed. Whereas it's fine to do start something and it fails and you learn that that wasn't your thing, and then and then you go from that. You might have met a guy who's doing something else, and then he becomes your mate and you go and do something else, you know, look at like the branches of a tree or the branches of a tree.

Chris, absolutely, And I think the one thing that our education, both social and formal institutions are missing, is the ability in the teenager's life to do critical thinking. And critical thinking then makes you understand the consequences of your actions. And I know everybody in my demographics say you do not understand the consports of what they do, either the effect on somebody or the effect on other people, or the effect on your lifestyle. And if we taught thinking to understand the pros and cons the swat analysis slightly earlier, I think our younger people will have an absolute better journey because they accept the consequences of what they're about to do rather than blaming somebody else.

Understand.

That's why sidebox.

Chris, thank you very much, really appreciate it. Well said, Yeah, just on the enthusiasm of people coming into the workforce, That to me is the number one tragedy that I've seen in my career. When someone comes to the and they've got enthusiasm up the wazoo, but they just get knocked down again and again and again until that enthusiasm just becomes inertia and they no no longer want to bring ideas to the table because I've been told no so many times. And to your point about the stoics that say you've got to push through that, but a lot of people get to the point and say, why am I bothering?

Yeah, well, I mean just across everything in our country, people keep saying I can't do this because of that. I can't do this because of that. And whatever environment you in, whatever is happening politically across you, whatever headwinds you've got. That is the way. As the Starks say, the obstacle is the way you go. Well, that is the path I have to take. These are the obstacles that I have to get past. And if some of those are people saying nay, then naysayers or whatever, listen to their concerns, but just just steamroll through them.

Yeah, love it.

The obstacle is a way. That's the path.

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Obstacle is the way. Fantastic, right, good discussion. After two o'clock, let's have a chat about business's own personal toilets. It's kicking off in the UK and the US where businesses are saying you can only use our toilet if you buy something from our business. Is that fair enough or not?

Is this is saying no, yes, can't use our bathrooms.

Obstacle is the way.

Yeah, I say, if you're using someone's bathroom, you have to at least buy some gum or a cheese scone.

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A great game, great game, fantastic right. This is going to be a good discussion over the next hour or so using a toilet in a business if you do not buy one of their products. It's kicking off in the UK and the US. Recently, Starbucks hit the headlines when it reversed its open door policy in the US, prompting a new look at just how welcoming high streets full of coffee shops are when it comes to people who want to use a toilet without a penny. Now, a specific case, I get it, it's got a it's good. Specific case is love Fit Cafe. This is near Brighton's busy City Center railway station. It used to say it's toilets were available for any passer by to use, even if they weren't a customer. But it was a disaster, says owner Jason bright As Homeless people would lock themselves in there for periods of time. That'd fall asleep in there, he says, or take drugs, you'd get abuse. It's the worst thing I've ever done. Having a public toilet. Now he has a customer only policy, although he does make exceptions for the elderly or young children.

Or a pregnant woman.

Oh yes, definitely pregnant lady.

A pregnant lady. You've got a letter into the toilet. So what's your opinion on this, tyle, Because when you brought this up to me before, you were saying that you feel that large companies owe you to use the bathroom. So you think it. You think a McDonald's, a KFC, you think a service station, service station that they should let you use their bathroom without anything.

Yeah, well it's a little bit more nuanced than that. So in a general sense, yes, I was at the McDonald's and Key Street in Auckland and I got a bet irate. I did actually buy something, But even then, to me, it was the principle. When I went upstairs to use the bathroom found out it was behind a locked door. I needed a code, and I started muttering under my breath, and someone who was dining upstairs said, hey, I'll give you a code. Don't worry about It's all good. So that guy was an absolute legend. But part of me thought, come on, McDonald's, you know what, it's just a bathroom. I'm here, I am buying something, but that's beside the point.

Someone's going to clean your filth up afterwards.

Tyler.

Well, then I thought about it and granted, Key Street is an area where there are people who are more vulnerable in our society. Let's put it that they were previously storming into McDonald's to use the bathroom, maybe making a bit of a mess.

So I get well, no matter how vulnerable you are in society doesn't mean I mean you have to be pretty vulnerable for you can't use a bathroom cleanly.

Yeah, very true. So it's about respect to the bathroom. But when I'm traveling up and down the country, as I did over summer, and I scream into a service station and I'm not there with an intention to buy something, but mainly just to use their lou do I think it's okay? Yeah? Yeah, I think it's okay to nip into the bathroom.

Look, this is how i'd put it, and I'd love to hear people's thoughts on this. One hundred eighty ten eighty or nine two nine two. Maybe you run a business and how you run your bathroom policy. But it's lovely if they do. Good on them. Yeah, you know they're doing their bit for for mankind. But they don't owe anything to you. You don't know anyone to get into your bathroom and your private business.

No.

And look, even in places like a service station, if I stop and it does have a bathroom that's opened everyone, I'll still buy some gum. I'll still give them a little bit of business because I think, good on you. You've let me into the bathroom. You owe a little bit of something, bit of something. But come back the other way.

Yeah, well you're the best of us. I I'm amazing. Well here's where the nuance comes in.

That ill I saint with the way my bathroom. But also because because I've got to tell you this, you think it's nothing. You say, oh, I just use the bathroom. But as I was saying before, when I moved up to Auckland, I was working in real groovy records and for a while there we'd let customers use the bathroom. And I was the newest on board, just a young kid from Dunedin. So who had to clean up the mess when? And you wouldn't believe how people that you've done the favor of allowing them to use the toilet will then just be absolute disgusting pigs in it, and it's always the minimum wage kid from Dunedin that has to clean it up.

Well, that is a fair point. I have never been in a position where off needing public bathrooms, and that is a very fair point.

Move to the big city to work in a glamorous record store thinking that you're going to be talking to people about the latest imports from overseas and records and what are you? You got the toilet brush and the toilet duck out.

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Tyler thinks he's entitled to use any bathroom of any establishment if he needs to go, as.

Long as it's a big multinational corporation.

But this text here is questioning our vocabulary. And look, I think this is this is fair enough. Dear God, please stop using the bathroom using bathroom. Surely your bathroom has to have a bath in it. Tell the buggers to have a bath before they leave home. Call it a duney, shut out, helloo or a WC. Yeah, that's a very good point that this person's making. Although I was getting texts before about blasphemy, so maybe the Dear God part of it won't go down. Well, everyone's got a problem with a certain word. But yeah, facilities. Should we call it facilities because it does seem wrong when you're talking about a bathroom. A bathroom has to have a shower on it.

But bathroom is very polite. Your bathroom. Yeah, if I go into a business and I'm a complete stranger's excuse me, whereabouts is your bathroom? And a restaurant, for example, I wouldn't say, hey, where's your Dunny.

You wouldn't. Yeah, he's you Dunn. He's pretty polite. Yeah, Dunny's not too bad.

Excuse me, where's your lou?

Yeah, that's all right, I've tried there before.

But sometimes people say, lou what.

The are you're talking about the powder room?

Well, w C is going right back, isn't it. WC. I'd feel very gentry say.

The water closet. Yeah, water closet. Yeah, I mean you're not going to use the yeah, yeah, okay, So we'll say facilities, Can we use your facilities? Please?

No one's going to get offended my facilities. Uh, Louise, you're a business owner, are you saying now? Do you let non paying customers use your facility?

I try not to have you had some problems in the past.

Yeah. So I have a business, a hospitality business, and people just seem to come off the street and run and use the toilet without asking or saying anything, or if you do, question in though, like well, I'm just having a look around, and then they go use a loop, probably do a number two and then walk out, and I find it's really really rude.

What kind of business do you run, Louise?

A restaurant bar?

A restaurant bar? And is it is it large? Is it a sort of how big? Is it?

So?

I've actually got two yeah, and the ones on the smaller side than ones fairly.

Big, so it's pretty hard for them to come in and use the bathroom without you noticing that they're in the air and not buying something.

Infinitely in the small one and then the large one. So just a couple of days ago, I had a lady come in and she comes through the front and I was like, oh, can I help you. She's like, oh, I'm just having a look around. And then she carries on down down to the back to the toilet and go toe towilett and then she comes back and I was like, oh, but can I help you? And I'm like and she's yeah, no, I was just looking around. I said, well, there's public pool. It's just one hundred meters down the street. It's okay. And she says, oh, I'll buy a drink and I was like, oh, yeah, so you should.

Yeah. Well, but I guess it's difficult for someone that's running a business though, because you don't know and obviously done this before. I'm intending to dine, but I need to visit the bathroom quickly, and so I might go to the bathroom first and then go and dine. That sounds gross, but you know, go and and then I'm going to you know, sit down and die and whatever. So if you're a business owner and you have a go at me at that point, then that could be a little bit awkward and you know, make the customer feel unwelcome. Hear what I'm.

Saying, Yeah, And you don't want to make them feel unwelcome, but you soon loom. I think, which finds coming to the toilet.

And yeah, there's a way someone comes in if they're planning to I mean, how to be fair, I mean, how often do you absolutely need to go right now to the point where you can't sit down and book a table.

Or But that did happen to me tolet well, exactly the public toilet one hundred meters down the road. But that did happen to me at a servo and quite quarter and stop there. Genuinely. I was going to pick up a sandwich. But I can't buy the sandwich then take it into the loop. That's just weird. So I started to head towards the loo first, and the woman yelled at me, and she said she was kind of a polite, but she yelled at me, excuse me, you can only use the toilet if you buy something, and I felt so embarrassed because all the customers were looking at me, like, who's this dor it bag using the toilet before I buy something?

Yeah, and now you represent me as well, Tyler. So you know that makes this whole show look bad when you behave like that. No, but I don't think I would be offended, Louise. If someone said to me I arrived and I really needed to go to the bathroom and you're you're behind the count and said, oh, the bathroom's only for customers, and then I'd say, oh, yeah, yeah, cool, I'm just going to the bathroom and then then I'm going to dine here. Then I don't think i'd be offended by that. I mean, so there's a plight where you could say it, yeah, Louise, have you if you've got a plight way to say it?

Yeah?

I suppose we can we do Can we do a little bit of Can we play some roles here?

Louise, We'll do a little play. I come and I've got my hands around my downstairs like a kid. I'm hopping around. I'm running towards your bathroom. What do you say, Louise?

I normally just say can I help you?

I guess right, and then i'd go, and I'd go. I'm about to spend three hundred and fifty dollars on dinner, but I just really need to go for a week.

And you know a lot of people do say I'm just going to the bathroom and then I'll be right back.

Yeah. Yeah, And in that circumstance, the benefit of the doubt say yep, okay, go and use the bathroom and then you can sit down and have some nice food.

Yeah that's right.

Then you go, but then you yell at but make sure you wash your hands your peg. I want to see some clean hands when you come out of there.

Yeah no, no, not quite.

That's too far.

Louise, you're great, Thank you very much. Did you want to give a shout out for your business?

Oh yeah, yeah, what is your business?

So I own asty peg and pick them and take the tea barre and girls.

Okay, there you go. So she's very happy to use the bathrooms. But you're only if you're a customer. Okay, all right, so show some respect.

Yeah, absolutely to the you're a good business owner, Luis c. You very much. Have a good after day.

Thanks very yeah.

Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I'm again getting an absolute spanking here from saying that I think the big companies like McDonald's, KFC and the gas stations, I should be allowed to nip in there and use their lou without buying a stick of gum. Tyler, get with the program. You would not want passers by to drop into your home to lou use your facilities, unannouncers, Yeah, no, I wouldn't, But then I don't have anything to sell. If they want to buy something in the house, maybe I will let them use my loop.

This person says the bathroom is so American say potty potty. I don't think we say potty Matt. I've given us a lot of thought about the toilet. What I tend to do. I use the establishment with relative frequency, and I need to stop in there sometimes to go to the bathroom, even though I'm not using it, using the bar or whatever. It's killing time. I just go for it. I'm a paying customer, just not that particular time. Yeah, I mean, I guess if they recognize you there, they're not, and you know you're you know you're going there a lot. They're not going to hassle you about it too much. If you're a regular customer, Yeah, it's.

Kind of dangerous. If you're a regular that's just using the bathroom, Yeah, and you're not a respectable bathroom user.

If everyone in the world would just get together and start using the button, the facility, sorry, the potty, the duney in a respectful manner, it wouldn't be a problem. But there's there's a higher than zero percentage of our population that will do terrible things in a bar. And I'm not sure why. There's some kind of psychology behind people that actually actively want to make a miss in a bathroom.

Yeah, just clean up after yourselves, will Will.

You believe you do it right? You don't need to clean up after yourself.

Agents of chaos? What is wrong with you? Oh?

I think there's people trying to make a statement in bathrooms. It's kind of like a dog on a walk. They're trying to leave their mark for the next the next human that comes through.

We've got to find those people and put them straight in jail. Man I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the ninety five years.

No parole for poor bathroom usage.

I'm down for that. Tis number. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is an ubple to call twenty three pass two.

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As Kate's just ticks through on nineteen nine two. The word we're looking for his lavatory. That's nice lavatory. Yeah, I think we can all lavatory. Leavatory. Oh no, do you say that? I think I say leavatory, but probably wrong, lavatory incorrectly, Yeah, the lavatory. Can I use the lavatory? I use the toilet, the Texas says, and I'm too. I use the toilet at BP a couple of times a week. Always feel obligated to browse the lollies after to show intent to buy, then walk out, avoiding eye contact with anyone. Haven't been hit up yet. So he's doing a whole he's doing the whole song and dance theer, he's used the lever, he's looking at the lollies, and then when someone's not looking, he gets out of there.

Genius. Love that strategy and this texture from dpet Get a team. Regarding the loop, I think number two a no, but number one is okay, especially if you do pay some money there. I use, for example, the cream Cafe Loof for number one is Rebel Sport is next door, and I purchased there. However, if I need to go number two, then Rebel Sport is good to go.

Rebels feel about that. So if it's a multi national, then they've got money to run the toilets. I don't know if Rebel Sports most multinational. I think they're part of the Briscos group, aren't they They are, but yeah, they're big enough company. But I mean, if you're running it, if you're running an establishment, then how do you know what whether someone's going in for a one or two before they go on, Because someone could swear swear they're going in for a number one and then upgrade to a number two when they get in there.

Easy to do, very easy to do.

That might happen to you, you know. And let's not get into the topic of on a plane. Yes, when when you go up the front on the plane.

If it's domestic, just you know, hold it in, hold it.

But sometimes you can't. I think none of these rules apply to a pregnant woman. A pregnant woman can do what if you.

Want elderly child, pregnant woman, get a past. You can do what you want.

Well, keep still, keep it clean.

Tie, How are you hello toist me?

Now?

Yes, yes, I was going to say when I was in Holland years ago, a few years ago now, not about ten, that a law had been passed. Well, my friend told me that a law had been passed in Holland that said every business had to let people go to the toilet because it was so much of this business of having to buy something and go, and people were embarrassed getting told of so they made this law. But it was what people did, especially a bigger business. They made the toilet a separate business and had somebody in there cleaning them. And then you had to pay. So we always went around with a jingle of coins. I can't remember how much it was to go, but a lot of them had done that, and I would say, by now they've all done that. Even McDonald's and even a bar with a restaurant they had the same thing.

And yeah, I tell you what's really uncomfortable, as in the United States and in some places in the UK and Europe where you go and there's the bathroom attendant in there and they had you at the hand you a towel and the hand you a bunch of stuff and they sort of hang around in there and you're supposed to tip.

Them, have some stories to tell those guys.

It's just it's just awkward. It's awkward having the guy in there and then you tip them a dollar for fresh house and you're like, mate, I've done this plenty of times on my own without any help. I haven't needed help since so I was a little wee boy and my mum used to help me. But yeah, I mean, I guess there'd be a lot of if McDonald's and New Zealand started charging people to go, that would be interesting.

Well they would have. They would have had a cleaner there. Yeah, clean them and that will happen start happening everywhere if this keeps happening and they wall in Colin. They made it a law that every business had.

To let you go to the.

That's what they did. They set up a business and some stations.

There's some service stations in New Zealand where you stop and you get the big comedy the key with the big comedy thing attached to it, so you can't steal the key and you go in there and there's definitely no one cleaning those ones. No, there's a number where you you go into a horror show.

You know, there's no placard on the door saying how are our toilets? Give us a buzz in Corporate on eight hundred.

But you know it may change that I was telling you about because because just listening to you, it is the same as us. I can remember driving alone. I think I've just got over loo and hopping into McDonald's or somewhere.

You know.

But if you yelled at to something you feel so embarrassed. If there is a proper toilet that you pay for and it's clean.

Happy to pay. I'd be happy to pay for something clean. Hey, thanks so much for you called die. There's a great piece of comedy that's doing the rounds now for an Irish television show. Comedy show. I'm not sure what the show was, but it's some people, some friends going on a road trip and how am I going to explain this anyway? They talked that it can't be by the stopping, so that they say to the guy just going in a bottle, just go on the bottle and be fun. It'll be fun anyway. The punchline's great. Look it up, okay, so touch it up on YouTube. It's a funny joke and I'm not gonna explain it on Can we be making never hear no, no, no, they'll be tony complaints, all right. You just have to take my word for it's very funny.

I'm going to look it up right now. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is number to call though. If you've got a business, do you let customers use your bathroom without paying for your product? Love to hear from you. Nine two nine tools the text number as well, it's twenty nine to three.

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You very much, ray Leane, and we are discussing the use of toilets at businesses around the country. It's kicking off in the UK and the US where more and more busyusinesses are putting up signs saying no toilet for non paying customers.

And you think it's your right to use a bathroom on any business above a mar and par business. You've described a marn parbon. Doesn't this anything bigger than that? You say you've got a god given right to use the bathroom?

Not enough of god given right. But I think it's the least the lights of McDonald's KFC bp Z could do. Is just if I need to nip into your loo, why can't I?

But it's not it's not the colonel, that's or Ronal McDonald that's out the back they're cleaning the bathrooms. It's not the heads of these companies, it's it's me. When I moved up from from Dunedin, it was it was me on a minimum wage having to clean the bathroom. When and if we could all just agree as a nation to not be disgusting pigs and public bathrooms, it would be a very different thing. But but we haven't. There seems to be some people that are intent on just making things disgusting.

Yeah, agents of chaos?

Is that a new thing? Or I don't think people be being disgusting in bathrooms is a new thing. Certainly as old as the movie train Spotting Hey that skitch I was talking about, look it up on YouTube. The lemonade sketch from Your Bad Self. It's the lemonade skitch your bad Self. Look it up on YouTube. Very funny.

Yep.

I watched it before well with watch hilarious glenis. How are you the same?

How are you good?

Good?

Was at a restaurant and they said you're good at both? I said not he them bone a copy. I want to use the toilet. Then I said, well, by the way, would you rather me whip my pants or miss the floor? Which one would you like? Oh no, no, you better go and have a go to the toilet quickly. I never have to pay for a coffee.

All right? So you were you were? You were basically I am coming standover technics you you basically you stood them up.

Yep.

I stood them up all right because I said, you'd have to clean it up, won't you? Oh no, no, go to the toilet. We don't want to miss on the floor, did you?

But but afterwards you did the right thing and you brought something from the digit Yeah.

I said, well, now I can have a coffee because I've used.

To do it.

I wonder if that would work for me, if I if I just walked in somewhere and see it. Either you open up the toilet or I'm going to make a mess here. I don't know if it would wink for me.

Because they'd have to clean it up, wouldn't they.

It's a bold strategy on us. I'm sure it would work. But whether I'd feel good about doing that as a different.

Just rocking in the door and threatening someone it might be might be beyond.

My note my moral.

I don't muck around.

Well, thank you for your call. Glenis so she's she'll, she'll just she'll stand you up. She's like the Mafia of bathroom uses standover tech. Maybe something bad will happen if I don't use the bathroom. If you don't let me use the bathroom, maybe something little band will happen if I use the bathroom. Everything's okay.

You don't want to see me back here again? Eighty is the number to call. This text is pretty angry with me. Oh my god, seriously, Tyler, very clearly, you have never run a retail business or I had to clean a public toilet. The public, as Matt mentioned, can be ever so disgusting. Unless you've done it, you should have no say.

Who are the people that are so disgusting in bathrooms because they're just walking amongst us. There are people, and there must be some kind of I don't know, thrill to it or something. Because it's very easy to use a bathroom. Yeah, it's one of the easiest things in the world. They're very user friendly. You can sit down. If your AIM's not good, you can sit down.

You can most of them have brushes and there, you know.

You clean up after you. It's got a little button that gets rid of everything. You know. That's very simple. So I don't think people having accidents in bathrooms. I think there is a certain percentage of our population that are basically fecal terrorists terrorists.

Yeah, I like that words. Did you think an element is shame or do you think these are just as you say, fecal terrorists agents of chaos?

What do you mean shame?

Shame is in you know, they've they've made a mess and they can't live with themselves, so they have to run out of there as fast as possible.

Well, you can clean up a mess. If you've seriously made a mess and you feel shame, then then there's things you can do absolutely well. I mean, I get into that situation where I going to bathroom and it's disgusting and is the next person. I feel like I have to clean things up so people don't think it's me.

I've seen it here. Yeah, it's outrageous. I can't believe there's so many fecal terrorists. There's fecal terroists working at Newstorgs. He'd been a lot of them apparently. Well, maybe it's just one who's doing the rounds. Gary, how are you this after?

I'm very good, thank you. I think you got no right to use a toilets. It's put it property. And I bet you those same people would come out and complain about the price of food. Well, the price of food wouldn't be so expensive if I didn't have to clean the dirty toilet. Think some of the things that are about today.

Yeah, well hand up, Gary. I mean, as soon as Matt said that he's been in a job where one of his roles was cleaning the public toilet, I'd instantly lost the argument at that point, because I've had some dirty jobs in my time, but never done that. And I accept wholehearted that if you've been had a job like that and the things that you've seen, you change your well, actually your starts will be pretty strong that unless you actually buy something from the business and you come in here and you make the mess that you do, you've got no right just coming in for a sneaky number one or two.

That's right, and I and I also think it's about time some of these councils stood up. They got thousands of dollars to spend on these flash toilets for tourists. What about the locals. They're the ones that are playing the raid.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

Amount of shops that are in a certain area they should be public toilets.

Yeah, I mean they're removing they're not even providing rubbishpins and a lot of towns now as we talked last week and brought through the rubbish puns. But I think, I think if you want to make a place nicer, you know, then you want to have public toilets and a regular area. Regular what you're saying, Yeah, yeah, once kill through the town. Yeah, it's not the shopkeeper's job.

The hygiene.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. When they started bringing in garyot was and not all councils have done it, but there was a time they started to bring in those toilets that had music that played that the doors automatically locked. I mean they were a nice place to be, weren't they. But I think, like many things in this country, the fecal terrorists came in and absolutely ruined it for everybody.

But they were three to twenty thousand dollars fifty zerousand dollars for a bloody toilet. Yeah, you know we don't need that.

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The tester said, oh my god, I just watched the lemonade skit. It was worth missing both of your adulcet tones and listens, wasn't for that sixty seconds? Thank you, Heath much required barely laughed on. Yeah, the lemonade sketch. Look it up on YouTube.

It's a great laugh. Not PC, but it is hilarious.

It's pretty pecy.

Yeah, Norm, how are you well?

Yeah, well, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel with this topic, guys.

But thanks.

I was listening public hold. Then I had to have a bit of a chuckle about ancient that we had where we had actually been someone from coming in and using our toilets, because they just got into a habit of using them, and it's a pretty awkward conversation to have to be fair, Yeah, how.

Did you address it?

Norm?

Oh?

Well, I work in a rural sort of business, and old farmers when they come to town, they just get into a bit of a habit of coming for a bit of a wander around. And this guy, he just decided to use our backstore toilet as part of his regular morning walk and and to be honest, sometimes he left a fair calling card and the staff, well, we come and do and for some baggers to go and have a fatherly conversation with this old guy to say, look, if you're going to drop a load somewhere, do it somewhere else please.

Was he ever buying anything?

No, he was past. He was sort of retired, so.

You know, m and what did he say, what did he what did he say to this friendly word that you can't be doing this?

Ah, well he wasn't. It was a bit of a special guy as well. So I think it was the first time we've been being from using the old toilets around the district. So it was just okay, well we just wanted rid of him, and he took it on. But yeah, it was, it was. It was very good when he didn't dark in the doorways.

Well yeah, I mean, and you you're working day, it's it's it's it's bad for the for for morale if you have to clean up some farm.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. And I mean at least at least keep it in the house if there's going to be some some lingering pongs, not somebody who's coming in off the street.

Yeah. Yeah.

And in a small place, in a small place, I'm sure he didn't want it to go any further than that. So quite rightly he said, yep, forear cop, you won't see me again.

Yeah, and he started terrorizing someone else's bathroom a couple of stores down.

Absolutely, and good luck to them too. Love love the topic. I think one for another day is you know there's people that don't go anywhere apart from home and yeah, and you know they can spend three or four days away from home, and I think that's another another hole discipline an.

I know people in that camp. Hey, thank you so much for you call Norm. You have a great day.

Mark. You run a petrol stacey here perfect, How are you hi?

They're doing fine. Tanks. Just wanted to point a couple of things out. People may not be taking into account. Yes, small establishment, whether it's petrol station, takeaway lunch for our convenience or whatever, if they just put if they're able legally to just put in a single unisex stall, you got the toilet, the hand sink, the ventilation lighting, et cetera. It takes at least ten square meters. Now you got to pay rent on that. And if you're getting like one hundred or ann twenty square meters store or something that's close to ten percent of your rent is going into a small bathroom, Oh you've got a bigger fit.

You know, you can tell you that. That's an interesting point. I hadn't thought of that. But if you run a service station. Don't people expect that?

Well, possibly, but it gets worse. Let's say that you have to have a men's and women's and probably upgrade them to handicap and then you could be looking at thirty or forty square meters that you have to pay rent on. Yes, people expect it. They take it for granted. They take for grinted that the shopkeeper is having to pay ten fifty twenty thousand dollars a year for the space that the toilet's taking up. In addition to that, if you've just got a showroom and you put some shelves in it, that's your cheap space. Anytime you have to put in plumbing, lighting, ventilation, that's your expensive space, your cost per square meter when you put in the toilets and sinks and ventilation all it's the same as a kitchen. That's your most expensive space, all the stuff. So your initial capital costs are high. You have the high annual rent, and people expect you to let them use it for free. And then they come in like in our petrol station, and when we have to clean it, we find hypodermic needles. You have to be careful for ourselves and we find people at a wipe excrement on the wall. Those who go on they don't know how to lift the seat and and show the urinate through the seat. And then the next person comes in and finds you urine covered. It's discus person.

There's bad people that don't know. But you you run a petrol station, do you, Mark?

Yes?

Yeah, and and but you do surprise you and you do provide the bathroom the facilities.

We used to.

You've stopped customers like you stuck like so, not even even for paying customers.

We we we do paying customers only and discouraged that.

I feel I think that's fair enough. I think it's fair enough that that that it's only paying customers you don't know, just anyone that's driving past to use your facilities.

You've smashed me in the face with absolute logic. Mark, and I I'm flip flopping here. You're bang on.

Hey, Mark, I've got a question for you, though. Where's your ex from?

What's your Colorado?

Oh?

It's it's a beautiful accent, a beautiful way of telling a story, even the disgusting story your sharing sounded beautiful in your oaky tones.

It helps pick up girls, keep in the accent.

Does I think I believe most things you told me at that excent? There's a wisdom to it. You sound wise. Thank you for your call.

Matt cheers Mark. Well, yeah, okay, I started off this conversation. We've got time for another few phone calls. But I think Mark said it very well that one. It cost them what upwards of twenty thousand dollars a year to run a toilet.

Well, he's thought about that. It's ten percent of your rent, is you know your floor space is running our bathroom?

Yeah, yeah, just buy something from the facilitation.

Yeah, bathe Oh.

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The lemonade sketch, Yeah, very popular. Look it up on YouTube. It's sort of uprating in the realm. That of what we're discussing today.

Angelo, how are you this afternoon.

Well, guys, I love the topic unusual topics. It's normally something that people go on to talk about things, and I like the phrasing the fecal terror.

I think.

So Look, I just wanted to just agree the previous caller, I one hundred percent in agreement, was that if you want to use an establishment facilities, you should have the common decency to support them, whether you buy a coffee or a gun or a scone. And I mean the gentleman. They touched on a subject. I've been to toilets in the past, and people just have an absolute lack of respect. I think you mentioned instances where there was excrement rubbed on the walls. I've seen it all over the seats, and uh, you know you swear people, you know, they define grab it you when they're doing number two. It's like they've got a both in sprinkless system. That's just absolutely horrendous, absolutely horrendous, and that's an absolute lack of respect.

Yeah, what do you think, What do you think the motivation is for Angela? That's what I can't understand why that happens and who does it? It's Yeah, I.

Just think people, sorry to put it people do it for really no reason. They just do it for points so they can never find for their buddies and explain what they did. People get a kickout of sick things today and that society that you're loving.

I'll tell you what, if my mate sat down and that said that, don't like.

Go back and clean it up your dirty bugger, they wouldn't.

It wouldn't get I'm just trying to think about the circle of friends that would get respect for doing that. If you're in a circle of friends that respect that, then get get get better buddies.

No, that's nothing.

Nothing. I want to be that.

I wouldn't want to be in a circle of friends like this. But I mean, look, it's it's just it's just an absolute lack of respect. And like you said, somebody else has got to clean it up.

The store needs to pay or the gas.

Station needs to pay rent. There's consumable consumables toilet rolls, and yeah, absolute lack of respect and it just costs money to maintain facilities. And I think it's just goes without saying that. If you add a gas station, if you pump gas, or you buy something you buy by or something in a restaurant buy a coffee to support them. I because unfortunately somebody needs to clean it up, something needs to pay for it, right.

I never would. I would never use facility as a place and not at least buy something. I mean, even if it's just five bucks, you know. Yeah, yes, it's just it's just respect, you know. Hey, thank you so much for your call. Angelo. You have a great afternoon.

Good discussion, and you're quite right. I started this convo saying sometimes I'd nip into the likes of McDonald's or a multinational petrol station and use their loud without buying anything. Shame on me. Yeah, that discussion.

Let's clean up this topic, lock the door on it, and move on.

Yeah, because we want to talk about concert etiquettes.

Yeah, I guess we're still on the edge round. I want to know what the rules are for a concert. I'll explain the situation before. But should you have to sit down at a concert or you'll have to get up and boogie?

This is going to be good. Oh eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number to call. Three to three, good afternoon, nineteen past three.

We're talking about rules at concerts and sporting venues. If are you supposed to sit down or you can get up and party and dance or celebrate a try other people that want to sit down, do they have that they have the right to tell you to sit down. I've got a lot of texts coming through this and this is on the back of me being told to sit down at the at the Cult Chizzle concert in the weekend.

Yeah, Shannon say is yes, you can stand up for the last song and the on cause, which is effectively what you were doing.

Right, I say, for the whole last ban yeap, Yeah. And I think it's different on those on concerts, you know, at vineyards and in places like the Top or Amphitheater where it's grass based because it is sort of a picnic vibe and throughout the day you have a few drinks. I think as the day goes on, if you're sitting down, you've got to accept it. Later on people are going to be reasonably hydrated and they're going to want to have a little bit of a boogie.

Yep, hundred Hey, why would you not want to look at my backside? It's a beautiful what's wrong with it? Eighty ten eighty is the number to call get a John. Hello there, boys, and what's your take on this?

Okay, So if you go to a movie, you go to the movie.

To watch it.

You expect you're going to be sitting down. You go to a concert, you're going there to listen to it. You don't need to see it. No, I'm you're sitting that far back that the person on front's blocking you. You can't see freg all.

Anyway, that's actually a very good point. I'm not actually sure what they could see from there.

But if they buy a record, if they buy a record an LP and put it on their record planer, do they sit there watching that go around and round?

Well, I have actually done that in the past, but yeah, no not. I get your point. Yeah, I see.

Something about having that, you know, dancing. I mean a lot like this is me if I go to concert and I'm a bit more reserved and I sit there tapping my feet feet away, thinking I wish every announce would jump up so I can have a boogie. Yeah, because I feel a bit self conscious. But I actually envy people like you met that saying, nah, this is a concert, I want to have a boggie. It's the last song I'm being respectful. I'm going to get amongst it. I take my head off to you. John, Is there not something about that?

Yeah?

Well, I've only been to one, maybe two concerts in my life, and I've got a bit of age behind me. Spresians over in Adelaide when they were touring.

I don't know why I went.

To see my own band in another country, but everyone basically were standing up. We were halfway along the stadium and like everyone was standing up. I don't know about the people right up the back, but I was a lot younger back then, and yeah, we just bogged away, but we paid the dollars to go listen and enjoy it, and our enjoyment was dancing with the thousands of others.

One of the first concerts I ever went to was a Spliteen's concert at the Dunedin Town Hall, and I was just a kid. I was at primary school with my my little big sister took me along and even at that concert, I was jumping up and down on the seats to the point where I got my foot stuck in between the seat and the other thing and people were pushing. Nearly broke my leg. But I've been a recidivust jump up and down at concerts. Maybe my sister taught me wrong.

Well, Splindiens is not a band that you can actually sit down and listen to.

Really, Yeah, that was that was great. There was the Ends was the Ends of an Era tour?

It was.

It was fantastic.

Yeah, John carry yep a country in Western ones.

Yeah, that's a little bit different. But I've seen plenty of people go out out into the aisles, but then they have signed up do not bar from the aisles and that's a safety feature. But there's nothing going to be burning mount in the paddock.

Yeah, no, good on you, John. I mean the last big concert I went to is probably helping John down in christ Church a few years ago, and right at the end, Elton himself said from the stage, everybody get up off your seats and dance, and that for the first time, because I was in seated part of the arena, that for the first time, I think everyone around us thought, yep, I can finally dance. But I know throughout that concert people wanted to dance, but they felt a little bit self conscious. Is it okay to stand up at concerts? I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call nine two nine till it is the text number twenty four past three.

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What a song? You gotta fight for your right to a party?

Man?

Yeah, So we're talking about behavior at concert. What's the right thing to do when you want to get up and you know, jump up and down. Pete, Oh, we're going to Pete here, your pete your thoughts.

On their Adon Tyler come into many many concerts over the years, but it's very hard to I've been say that many cross up a Lorkland around overseas and that as well. But I reckon if you it's very hard. Like you'd like to sit down on getting bit older now too, But it's basically I think you can't really do that because at the end of the day, young one are going to get up, So sit down as long as you can, and as soon as people get up, you just got to go with the flow. But as far as people sitting on top of people for the end of the day, that's really restricting your view. Then I don't mind if.

You got your kids if you're fair enough, because you know you don't want to be playing for babysitters and it's good for them to get out and get them involved of it too. But only your kids on your shoulder, not growing up, because the end of the day, you are paying for to listen and see the view of the band and man as well, So you're going to grown up. You're totally lost your view and everybody did that. That's when you start causing agro. I think the organizers should say kids, consider on the shoulders of the parents, we're not growing Up's also help and take the thing too for growing up balls on you. It's going to be not a nice Uh. You're going to end up up out of a broken shoulder or stuffing because someone's landing on a bigger.

Person's land on you. So I think not growing up on people's shoulders.

Yeah, I mean the person on the shoulder, it's the most amazing view possible, but yeah, behind people behind them not so good. Yeah, I think i'd agree with that. I mean, you're never going to get angry at a little ki kid on appearances shoulder.

No, it's very wholesome. Isn't it very wholesome?

Seeing that it's very encouraging and you're bringing them good and good good environment. You want to encourage that, but not growing up there, so it's going to step to becoming selfish. You're not thinking are other people that are paid.

For you as well?

Yeah, well, thanks so much for your call, Pete Paul.

You were at the topor.

Event I was yet Tyler, how are you very good?

Did you enjoy it?

Yeah?

Oh it was awesome made. I mean I've probably been to maybe ten of these concerts in Tapa, yes, and they tend to get better and better, you know, some years. But with regards to the view, I mean, the way I think of it is that, you know, when we're paying one hundred and fifty dollars for the ticket each plus the alcohol, last even thing else that you spend money on there, you're there for a good time and it's a long day as you know, you know, it's like a six hour sort of concert, and even if you're on the field, you know you still want to get up and briog you to any song that you love from any of the bands. So we always get the sort of we try and get there early enough to get the same spot on the on the field in front of the stage, but half way back. And even with that first band, you're clear most of us in our group and there's fifteen of us, we all stood up and were booging in our You think it's on the first band, you know, and then if in a bit more quieter. So when Ice Starters came on, we all went to the front. You know, you go to the mos put with everybody else and you just that way you're all standing, go to the back and they can enjoy the sitting.

But there's no rule.

I don't think it doesn't better way that if you want to stand up and dance, you should be able to because you are there for your enjoyment, and that if that's how you enjoy concerts, you know. And I'm a huge concert go and I love concerts, and when I go to a venue and sit down, I always feel like I want to stand up. But you just feel your cars because yeah, you've got people behind you, and these venues where you can stand up. Yeah, by all means to stand up or any any of the bands, you know.

Yeah, I mean it's interesting though, because you know, I was at the concert. I thought it was really really well run, just so easy to get in and quite easy to get drinks, and you know, everyone was in very good spirits and so there was only this one person that was yelling at me to sit down. So I just I want to get it across that it was an absolutely fantastic event and just such great people there and and the vibe was was an incredible and I got up at the start and went down the front to watch Ever Clear. But because I think the way it works, if you're a GA situation, then the actual very front of the stage is cornered off for VP tickets. Yeah, so you can't.

You can't.

You can go down the front and have a boogie, but not not that many people. There's not that much room for for the for the the gas to get up the front there that it was good for Ever Clear, But yeah, and I but I don't understand. You say it like it is a six hour day, so people couldn't be standing for that whole six hours and so and you're so right, because at the point where I'm really excited I want to get up might not be the point that someone else's, you know, depending on thee.

But yeah, you say that you set up, you know, and got told off. To me, it's a bit unfair because you should have been able to stand up you know, with Eep Clear or or you know, actually who were amazing as well.

That was so good.

They were the best. Yeah, they were amazing the whole They were amazing. They completely exceeded my expectations and a new down love for those boys.

Now the sound, yeah.

They yeah, Yeah.

Look, I just think it's one of those sort of things that you spend the money on, so you want to enjoy yourself as how you like without being sort of you know, sort of route for other people in the venues. But I think it was yet to listen to the music and enjoy Yeah, yeah.

All right, thanks so much. So, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna go next year. That's just that's a natural, naturally occurring amphitheater as well, isn't it in topor that that we're the concert is Yeah.

My only gripe is that, you know, and I keep saying to a mat and they all agree, is that it's so such a shame they don't start the whole concert at about stay two or three and it goes into the darkness because all those lights on the stage, which are great, you don't get the effect of the stage like him, do you, because it's all in sunlight.

Yeah, it was kind of odd seeing ever Clear at lunchtime, you know, just in the full heat and sun with well obviously no light show. But I thought they were good. I thought that the bass player was just going to do a big review of the concert because we were there. But I thought the bass player, Freddy from EVA Clear, he was funny. He was he had some good band and got the crowd going. And they, you know, a big band like that playing first could be churlish about things or or but you know, they gave it one hundred percent and got things going. So that was that was awesome.

Yeah.

No, Also, Paul, thank you very much. Mate nicely said, oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is an able to call some great texts coming.

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We're talking about etiquette at concerts. How you behave got the sticks from Shelley here, she says. Bond Scott from ACDC said, cheers are for standing on. If you're hot, take your clothes off and throw them away. Yeah, yeah, okay, that's got the's religion.

Yep, absolutely, Barry, what's your thoughts are standing up at concerts?

Yeah?

He look.

Well, basically, I think if you paid for a seed and that's that sort of concert and people are wanting to actually sit down and watch, yeah you've got to sit down. But if you're in a paddic at a wine at a vineyard or something, well know, you haven't actually paid for a seat, you're just paid to be there. But I mean, it depends too on what sort of bandits You wouldn't want to be sitting down for a CDC the whole time, But then again for somebody like Sir Briman or Andre Bachelli, you'd want to be sitting down for the whole thing.

Well, if someone says here Barry tries standing up at the Cliff Richard concert at Christis Town Hall, good luck guy. Exactly, yeah, exactly the cliff.

You'd have to knock your the frame out of the way.

Yeah.

So I think a bit depends on the situation. I mean, those four girls standing in front of some old people, well that was rude and they should have bloody bought themselves tickets down to stand up on the marsh bit. Yeah yeah, I say much depends what it is, that sort of thing, but it just I mean, especially a lady and a little choir, Well, no, tell thelish to stand up like everybody else.

Yeah, I want one of those. Get if it would have been possible to negotiate at that Cold Play concert, if you're the four girls that are standing up and you say, you seven year old ladies, do you want to get in front of us and we'll go behind you so we can have a dance. But sometimes dancing is sometimes dancing is voluntary, Barry. And also I was talking about in terms of if you know, if you're going along to watch the All Blacks and the All Blacks score a try so you can't help it stand.

Behind a very.

Thank you who I like his passion, Thank you very much, Barry. I'm going to say there is there's a difference in my eyes of a stadium where you pay for a seat to a concert that you've gone to, where you're on a is that woman behind you, if she was really upset about it, could have just moved her chair a little bit.

Right, Yeah, I don't know. It was becoming a wall of human beings at that point, you know. And and in a big concert like that, across the day, it's things start off anikey starts to take hold, doesn't it. By the end of a day, six hour concert in the sun.

Ye, people are pretty pretty sloshed. To this point.

The societal rules start to break down a little bit, you know. And your good luck actually to her trying to trying to enforce her very small camping to your rule there. She wanted to be able to sit and watch the concert without anyone dancing in front of her.

Yeah, it's a bold move. Eighty is and I'm going to call standing up in concerts yay or nay? Love to hear from you. Nine nine two is the text number. It is twenty one to four.

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Be Sean, good afternoon, Jane, are you yeah, very well.

You've got some stuff. You've got some thoughts on how to behave at concerts.

I do well, thoughts personal thoughts, you should say, of course, but the same scenario as yourself got told to sit down, And it wasn't actually me. It was my daughter that God told to sit down. Well, my daughter is plural. We went to pel Jam back in November. On the first night, on the Friday, there was that eight of us sort of sat up in the stands, right up in the rafters, with four in front, four behind us, all sort of I had my mum there, my sister, brother in law mates wow, and and my three daughters with us.

So pijam fans yeah men, yep.

Yet they sit in the top tippy top echelons of one of my favorites, along with a few others. So they started the course as you do with given a fly daughters know that song. They all got up and danced. The lady behind with her husband decided to tap them on the shoulders and say, oh, he sit down, So of course we're dancing away. Look to my right, my daughters are sat down. I simply I was going on and stand up.

They went.

They sort of acknowledged or no. She told us to sit down. So I sort of glanced around and thought, oh god, there we go. Give me one of those. Thankfully, and luckily, I thought, no, don't cause a scene. For two of my three daughters, it was their first ever concert, yep, so I thought, I'm not going to cause a scene. Let's just find a solution. Thankfully, there were a few empty seats beside the row in front of us, so I sort of said, look, jump down there in front of those, and then she's above eye level and I turned around to acknowledge her and said, look is that all right?

Like that?

She sat there, stone cold, didn't say a word, just arms folded. I don't even think she tapped her feet the whole lady tip either.

So she said, because we're talking about different types of bands, right, and that's odd to be a Pearl Jam fan and be that up tight.

I mean, that's what I thought. Her husband looked over and acknowledged me and sort of gave me the thumbs up. I still love as long as you guys can still see, and he went, now, we're good, mate, she just I don't even think she wanted to be there.

Well, if she doesn't want to be there, what is she If she doesn't want to be there, what does she need to see the back of your daughters he's looking at.

I've always been conscious of that because I turned around behind me to the two guys, two or three people behind us, and they were standing up as well, So we thought, okay, I'm good. If anything, I would have swap places with them maybe, but we found a solution. Luckily, if the seats weren't there available, we were at the end of the row, and I would have said, come out in the bloody by the seats, by the steps, and there's other dance in a boogie. We literally danced for two hours, two and a half hours. If they nearly played a couple of songs, just sit down and take a break. But when there was daughter wish lest all the ones we wanted to hear rocking in the free World to finish with, everybody was on their feet. Obviously the Neil Young cover she sat there doing nothing.

So how could you look at how could you look at that multi generational family situation with everyone having a fantastic time and go. I want to spoil that. I don't want to see that, see that good time, see those young girls at their firsty of a concert, I want to ruin that for them.

My mum said the same thing a bit more colorful language before the same scenario. She said, what a grumpy tart, And I thought, if you'd have seen her, she didn't really move the whole And if that's your if that's your scene at the gig, fair enough. But I went to Puss a Fer back in twenty seventeen Vector or Spark Arena, and they made Vector Arena sort of half It wasn't the full size venue so about and it was all seated in there as well, even on the floor. And what about six or seven songs into it, James Keenan turns around and says, I had a hip replacement a few years ago, and you guys are all sitting down, Yes, stand up and stand up and dance. Of course, that puts Security into a frenzy and we can finally do something now, we can actually do our job. Security went round and made sure that you were dancing in front of your seat. Love that if you were, if you'd sort of moved around and you know, made your way to the front a little bit, like quite a few people did. I mean the concerts I make friends. Don't know you from a barrislope or all one. Let's just be friends. Security came up and said to the guy beside me, where's your seat? And he just a lot back there and we're all good. He said that go down, go back to your seat. I said, mate, he's all good, We're all good. Sweet Nope, he made him go back to his area to dance beside his seat.

Well, we just been. Roger Waters told us the same thing at the US and then Gig at Victor Arena Spark Arena. He said, your kiwis, you need to get up and dance, get into it. That's the artist telling you to do that. People getting up and the fun.

There's no doubt from an artist's perspective that when you're looking out of the crowd, you're going to prefer the audience as dancing or up and having a good time, as opposed sitting with your arms folded.

Obviously, I mean, that's what the woman was like behind us, arms folded. Stone cold face didn't want.

To know about it.

I thought, wow, fair enough to but each to their own at the end of the day. But yeah, to sort of aim it to my daughters. I mean, two weeks after pilgerm me and my middle daughter, who got the tap on the shoulder. She's sixteen. It's pretty bloody short. Her eleven year old sister towels over her. We're at the Hosier concert two weeks later, just me and her, and we're on the floor area in Victor Arena, Torry Spark and it was just she couldn't see bugger all. So we sort of went out to the edges so she could get a bit of an angle on it. Both brilliant concerts. She had an amazing time on both aspects of it. At first concert Bilgium two weeks later Josier, who was her favorite artist, And yeah, she's just got the bug for it now. So yeah, you've got to be respectful and mindful, which is well. I thought, okay, let's find a solution to the problem. If there wasn't one, that would have been a bit of a bug there, but that we made it through. But I thought, why bother go and do a gig, even if you got.

A seat at seat.

Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I don't ruin other people's frond at the end of the day.

Yeah, you sound like a great guy and a great parents. So I think if you call.

Sewan Adam, how are you this afternoon?

Yeah? Good, thanks mate. Maybe you could have passed us something to put her asleep.

I'd nearly had enough to put me.

Some of your red wine.

Probably be able to buy something the gig, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe she didn't listen to ice House enough and cool down.

Yeah, boy, it was hot that that's that's for sure. It was. It was very, very warm. And look, I'll tell you if she if she didn't have the ability to stand up, then I understand must must make that clear that she did have She did have debility to stand upcause she stood up to tell him how to sit down.

Maybe we see the first person in there and said, oh this is pretty good.

Yeah, I think that's what happens.

Though.

I think for those concerts and really well run, as I said, and people have been going. You know, it's my first time there, and people have been going to those summer concerts at the top or Ampitheater for fourteen years. I believe they've been running something like that, and so people have their way of doing it. So she may have gone early and thought, I have set up this is my zone. Now this is she'd made a land grab, this was to his own and then just pesky people like me keep turning up and having a good time in front of it.

Yeah.

Yeah, I go to a lot of gigs. I've probably I've been to well over one hundred. You go to these things and you and granted a lot of them are indoors, and if you're standing up, you're probably going to get pushed around a little bit knocked every now and then because people are going past you to get drinks and so on. You you just kind of deal with it. It just goes with or and in the end you just go, you know what, I've kind of had enough of it, so you just move.

Yeah, you have to sort of give up the rules of everyday life, don't you That you have to do. You have to realize that people are going to jostling you, they're going to behaving in a different way, and you just if you realize you're in a different environment. You're not in your own living room at home. Yeah, you know, if I'd come into a living room instead of with a skinful and started jumping up and down. Might have got it, but we're to enjoy the concert together.

With some cringeworthy dancing.

Yeah yeah, hopefully there's no footage.

Well yep, go yeah.

So my solution is how many people were there?

Fourteen thousand? I believe you get.

All fourteen thousand and do it school photos style, so everyone's lined up based upon their height.

You're a thinker out of I like it.

Yeah, I should have thought of that. I should have tried to organize that. Thanks you cool, dam appreciate it.

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I think I might have Solt sold the summer concert short there in Topaul at the emphitheater there. I think it was seventeen thousand according to this texture in nineteen nine, two, I said fourteen thousand, So I stole three thousand people of their attendance.

It's a great crowd. Dylan, you want to have a chat about your experience at pill Jam as well.

Yeah, mate, Yeah, so I was as the pack just like the other guy was. He must have been a bit further away because I couldn't see you understanding up or too drunk to either. I think when when you're at a concert, that's the last time experience. When you go to see a big band like Phil Jam, like you wait a lot of time to get there, and if someone's behind you in your saying sit down, maybe they should have gave you figures of someone that messed up. That's we couldn't get Jay tickets. There was any tickets that we could get. So I'm standing up regardless. I take all of the energy, and I love I love concepts, and that's just an experience you're not going to get maybe for another few years. That specific fan so.

Is a gen X you know, and and Pearl Jam or a gen X band. As gen X guys get older, we can't be behaving like that. We've got we're gonna we're gonna stand up for pearl jam.

Yeah, that's right exactly, And and they've got a painted a good picture of what this lady looked like in my head. And red wine.

Yeah, well I'm partial, little bit of a read myself, but I'll but I'll have that red in my hand, standing up, spilling it all over people. I think.

I think some great texts coming through to wrap this up. Get a guys, paddick. Okay, people can move around in a stadium occasional song, but not the whole concert. Our whole view was blocked of the chicks and christ Church ruined the concert. We could have stayed at home and listened to their music. We wanted to see them and them playing their instruments without people standing up in front of us.

Yeah, but why can't you stand up?

You stand up as well, Yeah.

Unless, of course you can't, And then then I'm sure people will be under understanding if for whatever reason you can't stand up. But you know, I think especially rock bands are best enjoyed on your feet.

Yep. Absolutely. If you pay a lot of money and you want to have a boogie, just have a boogie and drink your red wine. And the woman on the seat you should have just jumped up and had a boogie as well. You would have a great time.

Yeah, I should have stood up for my rights, shouldn't I? Well you did instead of slumping off, But you know I was representing the Mattintil afternoons on you still cep. I couldn't be getting into a first fight with her husband, you know.

Not at this stage. It's day, you know, maybe maybe in a couple.

Of months time when I wasn't Radiohodecheke.

Sure, Hey, great discussion. Thank you very much for all your phone calls and texts and correspondence today. We'll do it all again tomorrow.

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