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Welcome you, great New Zealanders to the Matt and Tyler Afternoons News Talks HEB podcast for Tuesday, the third of December and the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty four. Great show. Today, we get into a lot of stuff around fitbits and Apple watches and doctors saying that people shouldn't be monitoring their health as much as they are because it's turning them to hypochondriacts. We've also got some exciting benefit chat as well. But the real thing that you'll be waiting for to the end of the show is the binding referendum on fake versus real Christmas trees. We put it out there and I have been in radio for a long time and I have never seen a text machine explode with so much feedback as it did over the fake Real debate.
Hundred six are still coming through, they're.
Still piling in. People are angry, they're fired up. I've never seen New Zealand as divided as it is, and this is what's social media is doing to us. We're a divided nation. We're completely polarized, and there's no bipartisan love on fake versus real Christmas trees.
This is more spicy than the flag referendum. We've made some big promises, so we've got some came It's.
More expensive than the flag referendum. So enjoy the show and give them a taste of Kiwi from me. And hey, look, if you haven't set to download and subscribe and all that kind of stuff, then why wouldn't you. Okay, all right, then, okay, you've seen busy. We'll let you listen to the show.
Talking with you all afternoon.
It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talk zib Good afternoon.
Do you welcome into the show? Mett and Tyler with you until four pm. Hope you're doing well, get a mat.
I'm doing very well. I'm sitting in the same seat that Boris Johnson did for with Hie before. Still warm.
Yeah, it runs hot.
It's hours later and it's still piping hole on my seat. There's a little blonde here is everywhere I'm putting myself talking a little bit like this.
Or very very good, right, big show today after three o'clock a very special interview.
Man.
Yeah, that's right. Doctor sel the Macogiano, a maritime historian at Campbell University, former merchant Marina Mariner and host of What is going on the Shipping? He analyzes the MANAWANUI autopilot disaster. I saw his analysis and so we reached out to him all the way over to North Carolina and gonna have a great chat. Well, we're gonna have a chat with him. I assume it's going to be great around his theories on it, and it's all to do with the ASI pods, and it's all to do with the transition from it being a commercial vessel to it being a navy vessel. So here, Yeah, he knows the stuff.
He sent to share it with us after three, looking forward to that after two o'clock. Why are doctors weary of wearer balls? A lot of us have them at the moment we're talking about the Apple watches, the fitbits, the aura rings, But more and more doctors out of the UK and a US say a lot of the health data that they actually get are not that useful for the user, and we may be raising a society of hypochondriacs. Get out, Get out. You've got a very beautiful Apple Watch on at the moment.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean hypercontract so I guess. I guess it depends what you use it for. I use it so it reminds me to stand up when I'm sitting on my lazy ass watching Netflix for ours and tells me to walk around so my metabolism doesn't stop completely. It motivates me to walk up the stairs instead of taking the elevator when I get to work. I think they're a really really positive thing.
Yeah. When I had my Apple Watch on, I've got it at home. I haven't worn it for some time, but I'm with you. It actually kicked my ass a bit to get out there and exercise and close those rings.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're constantly monitoring your heart rate, and I know there's various other things that they can monitor, and maybe that would be a problem, but I don't know. Is it a problem for us to be Do they really want us to be less aware of our health?
Yeah?
I think that's a decision we can make for ourselves.
It's going to be an interesting chat after two o'clock, but right now, let's have a chat about the job seekers benefit. So up to seventy thousand job seekers are to receive individual assessments and a personalized job plan to help them get into work. Minister for Social Development and Employment Louise Upstein said yesterday everyone who is supported by an employment case manager will be eligible to receive a work readiness needs assessment to look at a possible barriers to their employment such as education, transport, addiction, health and childcare issues they may have. But what we want to have a chat to you about is if you are on the Job Seeker Benefit, we would love to hear from you. What is it like at the moment trying to find a job. I've heard multiple stories online and elsewhere about people that have been looking for a job for the past twelve months finding it very difficult. Some of these people are very qualified. But also the hurdles you have to jump through in order to not be sanctioned by WINS when you don't meet those conditions as in going to a j job interview. Are the job interviews lined up in relation to your audit skills.
When you say hurdles you go through, wouldn't that be why you'd want to be doing Yeah? So, I mean if you're on the Job Seeker Benefit. Then you are looking for work, there's not so much hurdles as.
It well sometimes it is. And this is why I'm really keen and we're really keen to chat to you if you're on the benefit, is that after the GFC, I had to go on the job Seekers Benefit for about two months while I was looking for work. I was made redundant. It was some pretty tough times then as it is now, were you're looking hard for work. Certainly was Yep, there wasn't many jobs going at the time because employers, quite rightly were a bit fearful about what would happen after the GFC. So I got on the Job Seeker Benefit and at the time, and I've got to say, I thought that it was just a tick box exercise for wins in terms of I had my obligations that I always meant. Absolutely I'm grateful that I had that assistance from the government of the text bad don't get me wrong, But the fact that I had to go to, for example, a Microsoft Excel Beginner's course was one of the things they sent me to just to tick the box.
And so you don't could you were you proficion at microsophic self excellent.
Really, I smashed that in a couple of hours. Okay, yep ye. Then they sent me to Marii where there was an opportunity for one person to be off at Forkliff training. But it turns out that was just for children of that particular Marai. So I turned up to that Marii. They looked at me and said, you shouldn't be here.
You're not one of our kids.
Yeah.
Yeah, So that was the situation back in two thousand and eight. And that's what I wonder now is I think we can all agree that if there are jobs available and you're on a job seeker benefit and you can work, then you should be pushed into a job if you're able to. But if there are still these unfair hurdles, particularly for those that are heavily qualified, and they are being asked to do things that are just ticking a box, that's what I want to hear about.
Right, okay, T one hundred and eighty ten eighty what's it like to be on the job seeker right now? Also, just generally out there, if you're looking for work or be interested to hear what the market's like out there, If you're throwing your CV around and getting nothing back.
There was also some concern when there was suggestions that those on the job seeker may be required to move outside of a town that has no jobs too a place that does have jobs.
Yeah.
Well, there's a text here on nine two niney two Tyler, Matt Hurd your intro on the job Seeker. But when I was in the US for a year, I noticed people realize they need to shift towns, if not states, to get work. Not the same here. People become entrenched in hometowns. That's from lindsay. I know when I was growing up in Dunedin and there was no work for me there, I moved to Auckland and lived in a shed until I got some work.
Yeah yeah, yeah, that's right.
But I mean I guess that maybe that was a particular I wasn't on a job seeker or anything. I just didn't have any money and needed to get a job, so I moved up here. Does seem like if you're if you're young, and you know you've got you've got opportunities, and you know, you know you've got the time, and you know, not too many routes, and then you of course for your own your own sanity. You'd move to a town that had more opportunities for you get work, wouldn't you.
Yeah, I agree. I don't see what the concern is. And they made it pretty clear. Louise Upton said that if you have children that go to a local school and you've got deep roots within that town and you're trying to find a job, they're going to take that into consideration. We're talking about young people here who have the ability to move towns, and as you say, that is something most of us did at eighteen nineteen twenty mund Yeah.
Yeah, if you grew up in a small town, you generally try and move to a bigger town to try your hand at the world. You know, show the world what you've got.
Yeah.
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call love to hear from you on this one. Nine two ninety two is the text number. It is thirteen past one.
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between. Mat Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four us talks.
They'd be good afternoon, sixteen past one. We're talking about the new changes to the Job Seeker benefits in terms of wrap around service for those struggle to get into a job, and we put the call out that if you're on the Job Seeker Benefit or you've been looking for a job, we'd love to hear from you.
And you believe that some of the things that they get you to do a pointless Like, for example, you were forced to do an x when you were on the Job Seeker Benefit. I've never been on it, but you were on it and you were forced So I don't know, but you were forced to do an Excel course when you already knew.
How to do it.
Run Excel, yeah, chet, yeah, I already had those skills, but they sent me to It was a community based learn how to work Microsoft Excel.
And you don't think they should have done that well without a word of a light.
It was just retirees. It was a community organization. But I'm not saying they shouldn't have sent me there. And I went because I knew that was my obligation to go down where they say I should go down.
But the fact it just.
Felt like it was ticking a box. That's what I had a problem with at the time.
But you might be a slightly different person because you know, you had studied right at that point, you had a journalism degree, did you, yep? So you were really just looking for an opportunity to get back into the job you wanted to get back into. But some people don't have anything at all and don't know, you know, don't have a degree, don't have a course, and maybe something like that would give them the confidence to go on and learn more things.
I agree. But the situation with me, if I said to my case officer that, hey, just so you know that I've got a journalism degree and I'm quite proficient at Excel, wouldn't have matter. It wouldn't have mattered. They would have said, Okay, I get all that, but you're going to go down anyway.
Were you only applying for jobs in the degree you wanted to go Are you trying applying for all kinds of jobs.
Across the board at that point? Okay, yep.
So what if you shifted town to pick fruit or something?
Yeah, well I had to shift our town. So when I was made redundant up and Fungaday had to shift down to Nelson where there was primarily more jobs across the board. I'm talking fishing, laboring into the orchards, and so eventually I was lucky enough to pick up a little bit of laboring work before I got back into the industry and found a journalism job.
Did you turn off everything in your house before you left?
No ways, Yeah, including the fridge this time.
Yeah.
But oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you are on the job seeker benefit, we'd love to hear from not just the potential hurdles that when making you go through and whether or not that's valuable, but also if you've been looking for a job for the past twelve months, how hard is it out there here? Many stories are very qualified people who are banging their heads against a brick wall trying to find a job at the moment. Savannah, how are you.
Morning?
How are you very good? So you're on the job seeker currently.
So I've been on the job seeker with a medical certificate for eighteen months. I was a victim of a hold up at my retail store cheaper and I sustained quite a lot of injuries through it. In the last basic year or so, I have applied for ninety eight jobs and have only been successful in two interviews. Working Income New zeal And said that that is unsatisfactory, and they sent me to a job interview at Subway to make sandwiches, and if I did not attend that interview, my benefit would have been suspended regardless because they felt that I was not actively seeking enough to qualify to keep the benefit.
And then snat you didn't want Savannah, you didn't want to work at Subway.
Well, I mean I was open to any type of work as a retail manager. I was looking for jobs and supermarkets, for merchandisers, for rep work, retail work, everything like that. And then they put me into Subway and my manager was seventeen years old, which were it was really difficult to handle being someone in their mid fifties that is qualified and a keyholder and all that sort of stuff that goes with it. But then the department and Subway decided that I did not fit their processing for a full time employ year. So then was working in Come New Zealands. I received a two week stand down, suspended benefit because of it. Was there any backup or anything right there? Because I did not feel my obligations of being at work. And then two weeks ago I was due to go to an interview in a retail position, and that same day my house burnt the ground and my benefit was suspended because I.
Did not attend the interview.
For work and I was only able to have an emergency benefit for accommodation and nothing else.
Hang on a minute, Savannah. Your house burnt to the ground, so you had evidence that your house burnt to the ground. Surely they would have taken that into account. That you couldn't You couldn't turn up after an event like that. It was where about I was.
Classed as this was in the white cats hoes, and it was classed as not an emergency, even though my house burnt to the ground, my neighbor's house burnt to the ground, and I ended up in hospital with switches and what have you from rescuing animals out of the fire. And then I literally had to fight work and income to get a benefit back on because they deemed that I no longer had an addressive service.
Okay, but did you? So you you took the fire reports in the and showed that your house had been burnt down and the neighbor's house had been burned down, and you'd been injured in the fire, and they didn't take that into account. That sounds class That sounds.
Class as not it was, And I mean I still have all the emails from them, everything like that that it was regarded as non urgent and I should have attended the interview. And it has literally taken me two weeks of living in my car to find accommodation because once again, with my emotional support dog, we cannot be in emergency housing. And they deemed that I have abandoned my work obligations and my housing obligations.
Well, Savannah, with these new changes, having a personalized plan in terms of the you know, the hurdles that you face getting into a job. Surely that's a good thing for you going forward.
Well, it is a good thing going forward. But we're still dealing with surgery from their assault over a year ago. And I have my guys, they have on my file all my qualifications, all these bits and pieces that I'm qualified under, but I must still attend seminars to be able to be shown how to dress for an interview, how to speak in an interview, how to approach questions in an interview, and how to answer questions in an interview.
And you're you're and you're happy with that, and you want to go along to those to give yourself the best opportunity of getting a jobs that were you saying, oh.
Exactly, I mean, I'm more than happy to do that. But the thing that is quite interesting with it to be polite. As I turn up dressed as I would for a normal interview, even though it's a caseworkers that I'm dealing with, instantly looked at as well, do you work at WINS or how are you And it's like, well, no, I'm here to do a seminar and they look at you like, well, what are you doing dressed?
Oh?
Well, thank you so much for your call, Savannah. It sounds like you've had an extraordinary amount of bad luck there.
Yeah, absolutely, oh. On one hundred eighty ten eighty. Also keen to hear from employers what is the standard of applications that you're getting for jobs that you do have available. I mean, it is a big increase eight thousand new people on the jobs that could benefit in the September quarter, and the government want to reduce that drastically by next year. That's a big task, isn't it. Lots of texts coming through on nine two ninety two. Guys, why couldn't she keep the subway job because she was angry at being told what to do by younger people. Yeah, well, I mean, well, this is why it's tough, isn't it. I mean, look, I listened to what Savannah had to say, and clearly she's had a bad run. If you take her out a word, and that's all we can do. But if it is a subway job to take in the interim, why you look for something better aligned to whatever skills you've got. Then, to me, I can understand that. And when I was on the job, I taken that job.
Yeah, well, well you can understand why she wouldn't want to work with a manager that was younger than her.
No, no, no, no, I can under no. I can understand that text saying that if that job was available, and they said, yep, we want to take you on, Yeah, take the job.
Oh you've got it.
Yeah, it's money, it's more money than on the job seeker benefit.
Of course, you've got it. Yeah.
Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. It's twenty six past one.
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Good afternoon, it is twenty nine past one and we're talking about the changes the job seeker benefits a lot.
I'll go to some text here nineteen nine two. A lot of jobs advertised on Trading and Seat do not show the pay rate on offer. At the interview, they will ask you how much the position is worth. This is unfair as they will decide whether you get the job based on your answer, you know, and that is that is unfair that when you ask, you know, I always think that if you go to a job interview and then they say what do you think I should get paid here? Because that's that's a race to the bottom, isn't it, Because you'll say what you know? You shall You'll say what a lower rate to get the job? Potentially there should be an amount that you're going to pay.
People to advertise it on seek. Yeah, I agree, Gavin, how are you this afternoon?
Didn't make yourself?
Yeah?
Good? So what's your story?
So basically about two years ago, maybe a little bit more than that now, I was in a quite a good corporate job working for an automotive manufacturer, making I would say quite good money, a roughly one hundred and fifty to one hundred and sixty thousand dollars a year. I had a head injury and now I can't work, so I haven't now able to work for that two years just because of what's going on until that can get stuff fixed. And basically since then, I've been on four hundred and something dollars a week. I can't give you the exact number, and they've made me drain all my savings, all my keV savor everything, and I still can barely get help even if I ring the bloody phone line. If I'm like, oh, the four hundred and eight dollars a week didn't cover my expenses this week, I need some help with something, they go NAT and I think that, you know, there should be a little bit more help there for some people. I'm not saying for everyone, but like I went from kind of zero to hear our hero to zero very quickly, and there was no help. Oh you've got money, spend that before you get anything from us. And the four hundred odd dollars a week that I get now doesn't even pay for my water power and rates.
Bill now given after you. I'm sorry to hear about your brain injury. That's that's that's really tragic, and all the best with that. What kind of work are you capable of doing? If you don't mind me asking.
At the moment, at the moment, I'm not able to I'm not allowed to drive because I have seizures. I can't go into a job because if someone goes, oh, if he's going to have a seizure, I don't want him because it could happen once a week, could have been twice, we could have been three times a week. We don't know when they're going to happen. Yeah, but they're sort of on a weekly or bi weekly basis that I will have one because of my head injury.
And so did did a CC come to help you out at all?
Not at all? Their users of tips on a ball if we're honest, can.
You do you mind us telling us Kevin, how the what? What the details of the injury? I mean, you don't have to, but just out of interest, for.
I was chasing my dog down the stairs and my slipped on a lot on weak stairs and just went backwards and banged.
Oh.
And so just going back to the ACC and clearly you've had a fight with that organization. But that to most people would be covered by a CC.
Yes, but they won't cover it because I already had epilepsy prior, right, so my epilepsy was under control perfectly fine for the last fifteen years. I'm only thirty five, like, I'm not an old man. And because they said, oh you're having more sieges, that's because of your head injury pre existing condition. You already had epilepsy, so you had sieges before that.
So, Gvin, you're now on a sickness benefit? Is that correct?
Yes? Well, no, no, no, no, they won't let that happen. I'm on a job seeker benefit. They won't put me on the sickness benefit. Although I go to my doctor every three months and he gives me another two years. They won't take that as gospel. They go, oh, well no, in three months, you've got to go to your doctor again.
Well that's tough.
Here sounds like a very complicated situation, but.
They make it more difficult than it should be. I believe.
Yeah, well, Gavin, good luck to you. Yeah, incredibly complex situation for Gavin, and all the best to my friends. I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Plenty of texts coming through on nine to nine two Giday, guys. I am on a job seeker support in my early fifties in christ Church and have been since April and have numerous vehicle licenses, including Class two and four for twenty years and a CV with four references on it. I've applied for at least eighty jobs since with just one interview and unsuccessful and rang the employer and they insinuated it was my age, thanks from Derek. That is tough.
Yeah, eighty jobs and any what was it eighty eighty? Here we go eighty applied for eighty jobs and only got one interview. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, I mean, what can you do though? You can't really stop. You've got to keep going. Yeah, You've got to keep applying for jobs.
It is a sign of the times, isn't it. There's a lot of people out there who are going through that same thing.
I e.
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Thank you very much, Rayleen. It's twenty two minutes to two. We're talking about the changes to the job Seek benefits. There's been quite an increase in the number of people on that benefit in the September quarter up eight thousands, and the government introducing new changes effectively wrap around support to try and get more people off that job seeker benefit and into work.
So the case manager and job seek will be required to come up with a personalized plan, including an a greed set of actions and timeline for their completion. Many of those who are at risk of long term wealthare dependency have complex backgrounds and may require more help to address all the issues affecting their employability as the thoughts that are coming through here from the government, and you know, so that you know the cause we're getting here is that every situation is incredibly complex. We've got Gavin who was just run through before, who has suffered from epilepsy and then hits his head and as a result can't get acc someone takes through here, Gavin's situation isn't complicated. It's simply another example of quasi corporate government. I mean, I don't know, I'm not an euroscientist. I'm want to say someone with hitting their head and starting to have more seizures than usual is pretty complicated.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, I.
Think it's a fair statement to say that's complicated.
Yeah, yeah, and it kind of you know, obviously, Gavin's situation is far more complicated than a lot of people on the job seek a benefit. And I mentioned before when I was on it for a couple of months after the GFC I was made redundant. Would this have helped me? Perhaps not, but I like it. I mean maybe it would have that if it was personalized and say, hey Tyler, we can see that you've got this degree, here are where your skills lie. We're going to try and help you find a job in that arena.
Help.
You can see the logic to it, can't you. So job plans will dig deeper than someone's previous work experience and availability, giving them a proper assessment of their needs and structure they need to address their risk factors. So currently one percent of jobs seekers are in the red level of the traploic system, with more than ninety eight percent and the green level. So the red level is when you're in danger of having sanctions. But I mean there's sort of a chicken and egg situation because when the economy is good, then jobs are easier to find. And you know, there's an argument that some in some economic situations no matter what you do, certain people aren't going to be able to find work right. But for people's own mental health and their own well being, isn't it better that there's people reaching out to you. So currently there's ten thousand you know, consultants consultations happening on the phone. So up to Upstince said the Ministry of Social Development was now offering phone based case management to ten thousand people and they would be the first to get an individual job brand isn't that better that you've got a case manager talking to you on your phone and trying to find a solution for you. Maybe in actuality it doesn't work out like that, but in principle that seems the right thing to do. And we all know that bureaucy goes a certain way, and there's better case managers than they're not than others, and some of it becomes just box ticking, but the general idea of it's pretty good. Isn't it that people would work individually and cater their plan to each person's specific situation, including their past run ins with the justice system, et cetera. Doesn't that seem like, at the very base level, quite a good thing to be trying to do.
I absolutely agree with everything that you said and non principle, Yeah, it's a fantastic idea that you get a phone call from someone who's competent at WINS and looks at your CV and says, hey, you've got some great skills and areas where and we know that there's some jobs about to come to the table. Because WINS gets heads up from some employers, then they give you everything that you need to try and get that job. But that's all I'm questioning. Is that the case for those on the job seeker benefit?
Now?
I hope it is. I really hope it is. But that is what I'm asking now, if you're on the job seeker benefit, is that what you're seeing?
If you're a.
Skilled person and you've got skills and areas where there probably are jobs in some parts of the country, are you getting that assistance now?
Yeah?
And are you being And I guess there are questions like are you willing to move?
Yeah?
Because if you're not, then that puts you in an interesting category, a slightly different category from someone that will do anything to get a job. But I'm my question for you, Tyler, is do you think that this is okay? How do I put this are how much do you think that the government and the country owes you to find you a job? And how much do you think it's your job to find a job? If you know what I'm saying, it's good on a percentage, Well, just your thoughts on it. Really, So, when you were on the job seeker benefit, how much of it did you think was the responsibility of your case worker and WINS to find you the job and help to facilitate you through the job. And you talked about how they sent you with a stupid EXCEL course that you didn't think help you at all. How much of that did you think was there responsibility and how much of it did you think was your responsibility to find the job.
It's a great question. I thought one hundred percent my responsibility. And when they sent me to that EXL course, I thought, this is a joke, this is just ticking a box. The only way I'm going to find a job is doing it myself and getting out there.
And I did.
I'm dozens of applications. I got lucky within a couple of months. But to the point I'm trying to make is I thought that was a waste of my time. That time was better spend getting you know, getting down to businesses, knocking on doors and presenting my CV. Instead, they wanted to send me to courses that I didn't need to go to, to tick a box to make sure I was still getting that benefit. Well, that is the distinction.
This person is disagreeing with me that I think that the intention is good here by saying no, man, this is designed to kick you off by putting time limits on unreasonable tasks and any and every little thing. So that's the opinion that some people have that the whole thing's set up. It's not as a way to work with the case manager to find what you need to get a job. Some people say it's a plan to come up with a bunch of hurdles that people can't get over so they can get.
Kicked off potentially.
I don't know. Yeah, I don't think so.
Well. Good discussion O eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is a numbered call. We've got some messages to plan, then we'll get back to your phone calls. It is a quarter to two.
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and everything in between. That Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four used talk said, be.
It is thirteen to two.
I'm still thinking about that call from Savannah where she's got her house in the neighbor's house burnt down. She's been injured running in to get her dog out and that stopped and making it to her case manager meeting and she's been kicked off doll for that and she's held up at gunpoint. There's a lot going on there.
We've had some complicated scenarios. That's your Josh, how are you my friend?
Yeah?
Hey, boys house gone?
Yeah?
Good?
Now you've recently joined the que have you for job seeker?
Yeah? May I'm in the confessional now, No, yes, I have. Unfortunately, there was restructuring going on at work and yeah, and I sort of got the short straw there and yeah, so now I'm on the hunt. But hey, what I find interesting is the emails of declining of jobs is saying you're too qualified for this kind of work. We are only looking for this kind of person.
So yeah, I'm getting a lot of that.
I'm getting a lot of these offers around temporary casual contracts too, which I'd like to just mention these contracts I'm afraid to sign because if I sign a temporary contract for what they call an agency, I can't sign up for permanent work in my field for three years with any other business. So I'm sort of like I'm stuck because the jobs that I'm looking at start in January February, and all the jobs I can find now are temporary casual. If I sign an agreement with their company, it's going to block me from getting my job in February.
Josh, you don't mind me if you don't mind me asking what sort of area you're working? Are you looking to work in or did you.
I work and mental health. I've been a support worker for about five years, and yeah, so I'm looking at either support work or even like orderly type positions and hospitals, things like that, care at jobs, things like that.
And there is And that's that's interesting because I just thought that we were we didn't have enough of people like yourself for the demand.
That's right, But unfortunately we have funding, right, and those funding going cycles, and when they run out of money, they're just like, well, hey, look we could get rid of Josh, and then we could get two people. Yeah, they's a solid idea and that's what you get. So unfortunately that stuff happens. You know, they're trying to find cares for under thirty dollars an hour, and I just can't afford to live on less than thirty dollars an hour. So it's unfortunate. And what they're doing is that they're actually they're actually putting people that are not qualified into caring positions. I don't know where the.
Stuff.
It's the fan over that at some point, and yeah, like I say, hey, look, I would happily do casual work between now and February, but I'm not going to block myself from getting a permanent position with a permanent contract because I've signed something with another company and then they're going to pay thousands. They actually, if you decide that, like as an example, you did sign that temporary contract and you did find a permanent job saying in a hospital, you would have to convince your employer to pay that company out or they can find the company can find who hires you, which is ridiculous. I just think that's a monopoly on employers on employees. And yeah, I don't think we should be forcing people into temporary casual contracts either actually with those kind of problems associated with the with the contracts as.
Are you so you well, well you're trying to work on the other you know, finding a job in the field that you're trained for and best of luck with that. Are you looking for work in other areas?
Oh, mate, I haven't had a crystal soft in six years. So to be honest with you, like I'll do landscaping, I could do anything you know on which I which I have done a couple of small jobs, but I don't want to sign any contract that locks me into a position where I can't work for a proper job when they come up.
Yeah, Josh, all the best of your mate, and thanks for giving us a call. Well eight one hundred and eighty teen eighty is the number to call Keen to hear from you on this one as well. It is eight minutes to two.
Mattie Tyner Adams speaking your calls on oh eight hundred even Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.
News Talks it be it is five minutes to two. A couple of texts came through A nine two nine to two ghetto matt and Tyler. While Savannah may be telling the truth of the side of hyperbole. At times, her story shows that the system is too linear, the one size fits all approach which we see in so many other sectors around our Teeroa farming, for example, shows the inability to empathize with people who find find themselves on hard times.
And this other text there on nine two nine says, to be honest, if you've continue talking to Savannah, a purple dringer breathing a purple dragon breathing candy floss smoke, would have also sorry, would have also adducted her dog. Can can't help some people?
Yeah, yeah, Well, that's been an enlightening discussion, I've got to say, Matt. I mean, the proof will be in the pudding at the end of the day, when it comes to whether these new restrictions will get more people off the jobs that could benefit I think that's what we all want, will want more people into jobs, and we want them to not have hurdles put in front of them.
Well yeah, and I honestly think that the intention here is to actually help people by catering their advice and to getting people back into work. But the actuality of it might be very different, and it turns out that when the economy is going really well, it's a lot easier to get people into jobs. And when the economy is going.
Poorly, yeah, absolutely survive until twenty five, as they say. Right after two o'clock, we want to talk about wearables. These are your apple watches and your fitbits and the aura rings bit of concern from doctors in the UK and the US about over reliance on that data in your day to day lives. So the question we want to put you is are they beneficial to your health?
Yeah?
So they think they're concerned that everyone's monitoring themselves constantly as creating hypochondriacs that are turning into Google Doctor, but also having their full analysis on them all the time. So let's talk about that. I'm a big fan of my Apple Watch.
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety two is the text number. You're listening to matt and Tyler Good Afternoon to you.
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Good afternoon to you. Hope you're having a great Tuesday. Seven pass too, right, let's have a chat about wearables. These are your Apple watches, your fitbits, your Aura rings. I think they are in the country now. This is on the back of a story in the BBC. So wearable tech, currently dominated by smart watches, is a multi billion dollar industry, as most of us know, with a sharp focus on health tracking. It's been huge over the past five years. Many premium products claim to accurately track exercise routines, body temperature, heart rates, menstrual cycle and sleep patterns, among others, for many doctors and tech experts remaining cautious about using health data captured these wearables. So Doctor Jake dush he's a US based clinician but also advisors AURA, says wearable data enables him to assess overall health more precisely, but not all doctors agree that it's genuinely useful all of the time. Doctor Halen Salisbury, she's a GP at a busy practice in Oxford in the UK. She says not many patients come in brandishing their wearables, but she's noticed that has increased and it does concern her. She says, I quote, I think for the number of times when it is useful there's probably more times that it's not terribly useful, and I worry that we are building a society of hypochondria and over monitoring our bodies. It's a big call from a doctor.
Well, doctor, it's my body. I'll monitor any part of it I want get out.
You're loving your new Apple Watch. It is one of the new models, isn't it.
I'm monitoring something right now. I'm not sure what it is, but in five seconds it's going to tell me something about myself.
Oh is this the breath work?
Is it poor recording? Your ECG couldn't be checked for a trual fribillation due to the quality of the recording. Will still be saved?
And what does the ECG do?
I don't know.
It's me.
I'm going to use them monitoring, but I don't use that for that. I mean, I mean, like say, say, you know, and there's different levels of these wearables, right, and the different things that they can do, like this the Apple Watch heart rate and the regular rhythm rhythm notifications that can do that for you. The ECG app I just tried to run that but didn't work. Low cardio fitness notifications, blood oxygen level, full detection. Fall detections are, for god, a good one. Mine always tells me that I've fallen over if I'm trying to I was trying to change some Christmas lights today and it started going emergency.
Doesn't it call one one one when you fall over? Is that part of the deal?
Yeah, My dad's My dad's got this whole new system set up that will call me and my sisters if anything goes wrong. It actually called at his brother's adth when my cousin Peter gave him too big a hug and that fired off to everyone.
I was a strong hugger.
But I don't mind have been caleirated that carefully I want. I don't mind being woken up when when something weird's happened. That isn't my dad in trouble for the for the one time that the phone call comes through and ears in trouble obviously, like anyone would be doing that. But that's that's a different type of thing. I don't know. I think these things are These things are fantastic. I think being aware of your health is a really really good thing, isn't it. So this doctor's worry that we're going to have hypercontracts we've already got hyperchondriacs. Hyperchondriacs are going to be hyperchondriax and a little bit more information on what's happening in your life. But I think most people use these wearables like a fitbit or Apple Watch, just to count how many steps they do in a day, to see how active they are, or my Apple Watch will tell me when I've been sitting down for too long. And one of the biggest things that's happened to us in recent years, and one of the reasons why we're we're having problems with fitness and obesity and stuff, is we go into a completely vegetative state. We're sitting on the couch and we're watching Netflix or watching Netflix on a on a laptop, and we just don't move at all. We don't even get up to change throte, we don't do anything at all, and as a result, we just have metabolism slows right down. But standing up even once an hour is hugely beneficial for you. Right, So this isn't high level technology. It's just a timer that goes off about once an hour and says stand up.
Yeah, Is that why you keep getting up every every hour? Just having a week water around.
I'm trying to watch trying to complete my rings. Mate.
The one thing I got obsessed with when I have my Apple Watch and I've still got it, but i haven't worn it since I've been in Auckland. I've got to be honest. My health is probably taken a downturn in the past three months since I've been here. But the one thing I got obsessed with. They call it VO two max and it's measured by you Apple Watch. And I only got obsessed by that because the doctor has name's Peter Attia, quite a renowned doctor, written a lot of books. But he said that is the one measure that is most important when assessing your longevity. And I took that to hard and started watching this VO two max and it didn't change at all. It went hard for some a month. What is VO two max The amount of oxygen that you can retain in your lung, so it's kind of like your fitness level. But I worked on that for six months, thinking why the hell is my VO two max actually going backwards? I was running every day, climbing hills. Then I went to go get it tested at a proper clinic and turned out was actually pretty good, so my watch was in accurately measuring.
So the VO two max is the number that describes your cardio respiratory fitness. It's a single number that captures your heart, lungs, circle of your system and muscle cells working independently and together. And your phone was telling you it wasn't changing. But it turned out you were sweet ass.
Yeah, it was frustrating, as my VO two was pretty good by the time I measured it properly. But the fact that I got so obsessed by that number and looking the weed track and the graph and it ended up going down even though I was running every day, climbing up bills, that was just something that I took far too seriously.
I would love to hear from people also, you know, trainers and doctors and people that are using these weariables, whether it is making you healthier, whether it is making you paranoid, whether you're becoming a hypochondriac but because of it, whether you're seeing genuine benefits. Because I certainly know a lot of people that are counting their steps a lot, but they don't seem very healthy.
Yeah.
I mean, if you're counting your steps to the pub and then pounding a bunch of beers and slamming some chips. Then those steps aren't great steps.
Well, that's the thing as well, because of those rings. I know people that would sit on a couch and bang their rest up and down just to increase their so called steps to have their rings. That's what a god to.
That's a psychopath. So they think they're fooling themselves.
Now and they're just trying to clear their rings.
So they do this, so they think multiple times, do they take it in there that they're completing their rings to impress their watch. So that's like, you know, that's the weirdest woman of cheating I've ever heard. That's great though.
On the oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If you've got to wear able and Apple watch, has it been beneficial to you and your overall health? Love to hear from you. It is thirteen past two.
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They'd be good afternoon, sixteen past two. We're talking about wearables, Apple watches, fit bits. There is concern from some doctors in the UK and the US that we're building a society of hypochondriacts because we're measuring everything, But have they been beneficial for you and your health? Love to hear from you on I eight hundred eighty ten eighty, So how are you this afternoon?
So they're not too bad?
Thanks guys.
Hey, look, I'll only take up for a second of your time because it is a bit of the subject as far as fitfits and things go, because I don't have any of those those contractions. It was more comment on doctors and basically how they really don't want you to monitor your own health and sort of feel threatened when you do so, because I've had a couple of years of terrible, terrible health problems and basically given up on sort of doctors because all they all they're trying to do is medicate you. And you know, you go in with a symptom and they'll medicate that symptom. I've done all my own research, I've done all my own I've still got a way to go, but I'm getting there. And if I listen to what doctors say, I just be on painkillers for the rest of my life. They really don't They just don't have the training and nutrition or anything else, and they just don't want you to like, you know, my doctor's not so bad. But some of them just don't want you going in there with your own, you know, information. They want to tell you that, you know again, they don't like they don't like doctor Google.
They don't like you.
Coming in with your information and questioning them and doing your own I don't think there's anything wrong with being a hypochondact. I mean, I'm a little bit obsessed with my numbers, with my blood numbers.
You know.
I go and get all my blood tests. I pay for them because the doctors won't refer me. But you know, I wouldn't be my friend. I wouldn't be in the situation. I am now feeling a hundred times better if I just did.
What they told me to.
You've got to look after yourself. They haven't got the time, the knowledge, the inclination in fifteen minutes to be doing all the tests that you need to be an optimal health. So I say all powered to you. You know you can get obsessed, but you're certainly not a hypochondriact. I just think, go for it. Just look after yourself. The earlier the better, I you know, gosh, I'm paying for bad behavior now and at fifty nine, I'm finally you know, working on myself. But it's about time.
Yeah.
All I want to say about doctors, they really just they they do their six yies of training and doing nutrition in that time, and they they know a little bit about little you know, every part of the body. But I just think, take take your own health into your own hands and just heal yourself and monitor yourself and as soon as you start the better.
Oh, thank you so much for your call. So, I mean, it is a pretty crazy thing for this, these doctors to be saying that they don't want people monitoring themselves, because I mean, it's your heartbeat, it's your it's your everything, it's your ECG, it's your low cardio fitness notifications, as your blood level. You can monitor them if you want, and you happen to be if you happen to turn into a hypercontriac, that's your choice as well.
Yeah, I've heard a lot of people that don't wear it to bed at night, and the reason they don't is because they worry that if they get a bad sleep score that is going to make their insomnia. Words that they're going to look at that and start to worry, Say, cheap has only got five hours sleep last night, and that's going to be a bit of a snowball efect. You don't wear yours to be at an idea, No, no, I don't.
But I am very focused on sleep at the moment. I've been talked about this on the show before. I've decided to make sleep the main focus of my life, so to the point where if there's even a single light now in my room, I'm going around with a little bit of tape and covering it up, you know, like even a tinily light on a charger, a light on a multi box, I'm putting a little bit of electrical tape on that complete darkness. And I talked about this on the show about a month ago about I watched this YouTube clip and it was this guy saying, become a sleep champion. Make it your focus to become really good at sleeping. And one thing he did say was when you do wake up in the middle of the night, don't check your phone to see how much how long you've slept or how much longer you've got just because then you get stressed out about that. You go I've only got two more hours of sleep or before I have to get up or whatever. This thing he just was really advocating for this thing that I've been doing. And I've mentioned it before, but it's the breathing in for four seconds, holding for seven seconds, then breathing out for nine seconds, and just slowing your heart beat down. It's a really good way to slow your heart beat round, because you can't sleep if your heart's beating too fast. So if you get up for the bathroom or whatever, concentrate when you get back into bed on slowing your heart beat down through that kind of breathing. Things like that absolutely, so I can kind of see what you might be saying. If you get too stressed out about monitoring your sleep while you're asleep, that's bad. But I don't think it'd be so bad to wake up next morning and go, well, I didn't get enough sleep or I didn't get this there. As long as you put into practice the things that are going to make you get a better sleep the next night.
This is therapy for me because I'm a terrible sleep and that must have taken some months to get right though. Man, that when you became a champion of sleep yep, and it didn't go so well for the first couple of nights, and thinking why isn't this work? And I've got the blackout curtains, I'm not looking at my phone. I'm doing the breathing work. You just got to stick with it.
Yeah, well, no, it works really quickly. That breathing works really quickly. That is a game changer that when you get back into bed, if you've gone to the bathroom or whatever, that you just slow your heart date down with the breathing and then you will just slide off to sleep. That's just something very practical you can do.
Very good.
Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Love to hear from you about your Apple watch or your fit that has it been of benefit to your overall health? Nine two nine till it's the text number. It's twenty two past two.
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I'd be we're talking about wearables, fitbits, Apple watches, et cetera. Because some doctors in u caves said that they don't support them because people are using them to monitor their own house and becoming hypochondriacs, Amanda, your experiences with the Samsung Galaxy Watch.
Yes, and the same sun So. Six years ago, my husband had a Fitbit watch and it started alerting him that there was something wrong, so he checked and his heart rate was over one hundred and fifty bats a minute. So we got him to the hospital and they diagnosed him with artual liberation, which is a regular heartbate heart rate. And the doctor at the time said, yet the watches, you know that they are sometimes sometimes I'm not so. Six years down the Tracker Share, my husband transferred from to a Samsung Galaxy and I've been known to me for twelve hours his phone was alerting as his watch was alerting him when he was at work, and when he came home that I said to him, he said, oh, something off my watch, and I checked it and his heart rate was over one hundred and sixty beats a minute, and it turned out for twelve hours his heart rate was over one hundred and sixty free a minute. So he got him straight to the hospital and they couldn't get his heart to restart, so they actually had to restart his heart after a number of different procedures that didn't work, and the doctor said to us that if we hadn't got him to the hospital when we did, he would have had had his heart damage after his heart rate being more than one hundred and sixty bits a minute for twelve hours.
And so you think, so you wouldn't And how is he now, Amanda, Yeah, he's fine.
And the thing is, both of them he never had any symptoms. Both times, no symptoms and all the only thing we knew was his watch was telling him there was a problem.
So if he hadn't had that watch, are you concerned that you just wouldn't have done anything? You wouldn't have No, no, no.
No, because he had no symptoms. And the doctor at the hospital said he would have been having heart damage after the twelve hours and we hadn't gone to the hospital.
One hundred and sixty is that?
So that was a resting heart rate he was he was doing one hundred and sixty while he was resting.
Wo Yeah, so they said he was like doing a marathon for twelve hours, whereas heart was concerned, unreal.
And so while that was happening, there was no sort of symptoms that he was feeling at the time, saying to you Amanda, I'm feeling a bit off here.
Nothing at all. When he worked, he was fine, other than there's just watch alerting him that there was a problem, and he's not good of technology, so he didn't think too much of it. And it's only when he came home and said to me, and I was like, oh, let me check because this How long has this been going for? He said, oh, since last night. And I'm like, why didn't you say something? Oh, I didn't know what it was. And yeah, there was no symptoms at all. And the doctor said, we're were lucky. Watching about the best thing ever.
That's a huge advertisement for having something around your wrist. That's that's reading your your heart rate.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And so just quickly, Amanda, you mentioned before then if I'm just going to check mine now you guys are talking, Yeah, yeah, please do that, mat So just quickly mention if you didn't make it to the doctor and get it assessed by a within twelve hours, he would have had damage to his heart and potentially what a heart attack down the track, very very recently down the track.
Yeah, absolutely, So they couldn't get his heart to come back to normal. They try medication and flying through a straw upside down, which is normal, and then they actually had to rest out the heart and they said, yep, he would have had started getting heart damage if we hadn't gone to the hospital, and we did so with them telling me twenty minutes fater, we're at the hospital. They took them and straight away and it took them about three hours to try and get his heart rate down.
Then they just.
Quipn't so in the end they just rest out of the heart pedals. Well, so you've got now the best thing. I had no bom spinning for five hundred dollars on a watch. If it means my husband's.
Lived one hundred, Thank you so much for sharing your stories of Amanda. That is the best advertising. I think that that pretty much finishes the argument for these speeds.
What are these doctors now over in the US and the UK. But there's plenty more stories coming through.
Yeah, and just in case you're wondering, and maybe if there is a doctor they can tell me if this has good to bad my heart it's currently going at fifty five bpm. Fifty five yeah, is that too slow?
It's like yes, like Olympian level, wasn't it that's a pretty good resting heart rate. How much caffeine have you ad none.
I'm just eating, I'm just drinking one of my massage energy drink high caffeine supplements.
So if you're a listening right now, what is that?
Man?
What's a good resting heart rate?
Okay?
On thet thing under sixty is you're pretty fit by this? My understanding.
Here we go, we'll look into this. We'll give back anything between between fifty five and eighty five. If for most healthy adults between fifty five and eighty five beats perman, it's pretty good. Yeah, well, someone on the fifty five and in the.
Lower range eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty if you want to tell us your heart rate as well, we're up for at ninety two. Ninety two is the text.
And we've got someone on the line coming up very soon who says that has has wearables. We're making them paranoid.
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Thank you very much. Raileen twenty seven to three. We're talking about the rise of wearables. Your Apple watches, you fit. But doctors out of the UK and the US are starting to be concerned by the obsession some people have with them. Doctor Helen Salisbury is a GP out of Oxford. She says that, I quote, I think for the number of times when it's useful, there's probably more times that it's not terribly useful. And I worry that we are building a society of hyperchondriacs. I love to hear your experiences. Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Yeah, Well the story of Anne where her husband's was Anne, wasn't it we her husband's heart Amanda, Amanda, Sorry, we went up to one hundred and sixty and so they they won a resting rate and took them into hospital and it was thank god they did. And we've got a bunch of other texts coming through here. So I think at the very least that having a knowledge of what your heart resting heart raders is pretty important.
Absolutely, we're pretty helpful.
I mean you can get by with out of it. It's helpful.
Yeah, Now, Leon, you think these watchers made you a bit paranoid.
Well, yeah, I've got diagnosed with as well about six seven years ago, and I had a couple of I had an operation to try and give me back into timing, and that didn't work.
And you've got sorry, Leon, you've got you got diagnosed with what was.
That sorry, atrial fibulations yea, yeah, yeah. And I also had my heart restarted numerous times in that process as well. Would they do that recently regularly? None of those things could get me back into timing. And in the end, my surgeon, who is one of the best and often said, you know, maybe you're not that old, you're pretty, you're not overweight. The best thing you can do is just get over wait the state that you'll be all right.
Mm hm.
So that's pretty much how I've operated for the last fix years. But I started wearing a sid to keep an eye on things, and it really did make me completely paranoid. I just spent my life looking at and it's a it's a real waste of time if you've got actual circulation, because your heart wreck goes all over the place. I can look at one thing that could be eighty something, and then the next thing it could be underreported and I looked at it again two seconds later and it's back to seventy six. Yeah, So for me it was yeah, it just became I just became paranoid.
So I just stopped.
So what do you suggest? What is what is the best? So you know, you want to keep your weight down and stay reasonably healthy, But you know, how regularly do you see a doctor about this situation?
I try and keep in touch with them ever a year. They do a few tubs to say. What they do is they stick you on a thing for the hold, which is whole series of things on your chest with wires and you kind of walk around with the Scotch for a day and it.
Just monitors what happens when you do everything.
You try and get a lot of stuff done to the day and they check you and if there's anything majorly irregular role that you know after that, it's always been a right with me, m okay.
So there's a there's a type of surgery that a partner of my hands she had her heart was changing speed massively and she went to Wakata and had this surgery done. It was pretty full on. She had to be walking on the treadmill while they burnt part of her heart while she was still awake to so the heart could regulate it. Are you familiar with that?
Yeah, well that's the same thing that I had, except I wasn't awake and I wasn't walking on a treadmill. But it's called a glat surgery.
Yeah, and that's what I had.
And basically I was under for I believe it was under for about six or seven hours while they did that. And when you've been under for that amount of time, it takes a long time dur and cover. Like I felt really vague for about three weeks after. I can fairly operate that afterwards. And really, you know the thing about that when he came around and he said to me, look, you know, none of it's worked. He said, look, I could go into the other chamber, because there's two chambers. They can do that and we can try again. But he said, look, it's going to be more full on than the other one. And like I was fifty when this was going on fifty six now, and I just thought, no, I don't want to put myself through that again. And he said, to be honest with you, maybe young enough, you're fit enough, You're not so overweight. Keep that up and you should be your eye. And the one thing I have had to stop doing is I can't run anymore. Like continuous exercise the real problems. But high intensity is good. You know, I can do. I can see boxing, boxing workouts, I can do you know all that kind of high intensity stuff. Yeah, it's all right because you bring your heart rate up and you bring it back down.
And you did your family want you to carry on wearing that device so you could monitor it or how did they feel about it?
No, no one really gave me. Was was that concerned about it. I mean, it's a funny one interesting what your last caller said, because I didn't know I had it either, and I had absolutely no symptom. And I went to the doctor for a check up for overseas one year and he put the you know, did the usual heart chicken He went off, I think you're an angial figulation. I went, what's that? And he told me. And I was pretty fit at the time as well, and he was just like, yeah, and I can't happen.
It's interesting because I've known people that have had you know, and they will lose I guess so much oxygen gets pumped to their heads that they'll sort of almost faint. That can be something they can't it.
It can be.
And the only time where that happened to me is I decided to go for a walk run one morning and I walked all out and that I'll just run down. So I did that and I got to the bottom and it was when I had a fifth on and I checked my pittment and I was at one hundred and eighty cool, and I thought I should probably stop. I stopped but week and I thought, well, this would be just think it was five o'clock in the morning and dark. But that's about the only time that happens. But to be honest, I've got to say, the only time I've really noticed the symptoms and when they are doing something, when they are you know, the times that I've been by the surgeons and stuff since I've since he said that to me, and I've gone away and keept myself but tried not to get too overweight. I literally I don't hardly even notice it. Every now and again I'll get an af episode and I'll breathe, breathe through it. The same way you were talking about man use exactly the same method.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Well, thanks so much for sharing a story, Leon and all the best going forward, mate.
Yeah, thank you very much. One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Love to eat all thoughts about the wearables, the Apple watches and the fitbits. Plenty of texts coming through on nine to ninety two. Giday. Guys, if my watch was reading my heart rate at one hundred and sixty beats per minute and have no symptoms, I'd think the watch was broken and do nothing about it. From JT.
Well, not much we can do about if you don't trust the technology.
Yeah, it is twenty to three.
Matt Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Matt ETHN Tyler Adams afternoons News TALKSB.
News Talks THEB. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call. We're talking about wearables. There are some concern from doctors in the US and the UK that we're relying too much on these things and becoming a little bit obsessed.
Yeah, and we're talking primarily so far about the reading of heart rates, and you know, it's been very helpful to a couple of people whose heart rates have gone up very very high, and they've got themselves checked out. Someone has just text through on nine two nine two, Please Matt, can you say that breathing process again? Yeah? So that was the that what I've been using this is around sleeping though lowering my heart rate, because you can't sleep when your heart's beating really fast. And it's surprising how much your heartbeat will increase. Your heart rate will increase just getting up to go to the bathroom and sitting down again, and you line and be going why can't I go to sleep? When it's because you've hit being awake, resting heart rate not resting again.
It takes a while to get it back down.
Yeah. Yeah. So the way that I've read about it and what's working for me is just to breathe in through your nose for four, hold it for seven, and breathe out for nine, and it slows your heart rate.
Felling better already. Yeah, Yeah, that's good.
Good time.
You're involved in the wearables industry?
Good over there, fellas, How are you?
Yeah, we're real good interested to chat to you. What's the wearable that you that you work with?
I worked for a pretty major brand. I'd rather not actually say what branded as a parent, honest I would tell you that that you know, not that not all horses are in the same race, or you know, equal the same race. When it comes to wearables, some some wearables say that they'll do so, they'll do stuff, but you know, it's the accuracy of the of the sensors that they use and the metric that you're actually getting off the white. So you know, for me and what I see on a on a daily basis in my business, you know, I deal with high performance New Zealand. I deal with Olympic athletes, you know, rugby players, you know that need to know how their body is responding to exercise, and the every day Joe and Doanne who wanting to see how well they sleep and how well they are recovering from any exercise they make are taken. It's really important to have a device that gives you good quality metrics and not all not all wearables are the same. Can just put that out there.
So when you talk about and that clearly there's a big difference day between the everyday Joe's and Jane's that you mentioned there in your athletes who may be at the elite level, clearly they need to monitor everything that's going on in their body to get the edge. But for every day Joe L. Jane, is there not some of your customers that may take it a bit too far, get a bit obsessive once they start seeing these numbers come in.
Yeah.
Look, I think it's human nature.
I mean, you can blame doctor Google for a lot of that. You know, you feel like a twinge and you google it in your neck minute, you've got a tumor on your brain. And the reality is, look, the body responds differently to different things that we do in life. With your scare or runner or you know, a kayak or whatever, and you know you've got these little twinges, you'll get these little you know, pains and so forth. But the most important thing is to get a product that absolutely provides you with the best metrics. And there's plenty of information and the health industry, and I'm talking the medical industry that will validate various devices, and I know my device absolutely. We've just come back from a major medical conference in Prague. There's a lot of companies, industries, hospitals, insurance companies that use my product because my brand because it has true validity when it comes to giving you good metrics. One of the FIGST metrics, the most important metrics to for the Joe and Joanna out there is how well you sleep. And it's not you know, you can't monitor your sleep if your watches the side you're charging on your bedside table. You've got to wear your device at night because that's what that will give you an indication of how well your body is performing post it aside. So if you're if your oxygen saturation level as dropping, that's good indication that maybe something's not right right, quite right. So you've got to have a good wearable that you wear at night that will monitor your oxygen saturation you'll breathing during the night, and of course your heart rate that's important as well.
Hey Dave, how does it? I always wonder about this, How does a device monitor your oxygen saturation?
So we have we have we have we have two. We have different centers on the watch. One of them is what they call the pulse OX and that is a center that that monitors the amount of oxygen in your blood as it passes through your veins on your wrist. Now Elite athletes will use other devices but as well as my device devices. But the reality is not all pulse oximities are the same. So when you go to the doctor and you stick that little thing on your finger, on the end of your finger, that that's that's your pulse. That's measuring the amount of oxygen in your blood. Now that's a really important met to know because if, for example, your heart's not working really well, then then potentially or your your lungs aren't working because well, there's a good indication that maybe something's not quite right. Doesn't mean anything's majorly wrong, it just means that.
So and so it can detect that just by you know, the variations and your heartbeat or the the you know, the changes and rate of your heart beat or something like that. That's how it's measuring it is it No, it's.
It's a it's a it's a sensor specifically designed to sense oxygen in your blood.
Then there's another.
Then there's another sensor on air wearables, which is obviously your heart rate. So that's measuring the amount of amount of beats that your heart you know, having making during the night or post exercise or during exercise. You know, you'll see a lot of athletes, runners, marathon runners, coast to coasters, they'll they'll be using that they'll be using those metris just to make sure that they're heading their target. They may pace and so forth, so that they get to you know, the whether they're competian and a speed event or an ensurance event.
Yeah.
Interesting, and you're talking, you know, we we haven't named your device, and we're not going to, but you're talking about things on that device that you claim can measure you know, those elements pretty accurately. But then when we look at and we're not going to name the device again, but some devices measure ECG, the electoro cardiogram, and when I look at that sort of stuff, Dave, that can be a bit dangerous, right, And I think a lot of those wearables will say that it's not completely accurate. But if people think that it may be more accurate, then going to a hospital. Is that where we start to get into danger territory a little bit?
Correct, So so SG, the SG the wearables that kind of have ECG, now that's a metric that is very very dodgy for a lot of these wearables. You see them on YouTube, you see them on Facebook, you see them on Instagram and so forth. To get a real ECG measurement, you need to have you need to have any device put on your chest. And you know that's done medically. You know, I think people get can get carried away with seeing the pretty colors or the red the red you know, the red lines.
I'm looking at it right, I'm looking at it right now.
How you doing.
So?
Yeah, So you need to go with a brand that absolutely has got credibility and that actually the the those people that will be doctors and nurses are using and elite athletes are using to get good quality metrics. And that's the most important thing. Is so many other brands out there that say they'll do something, but they're actually not doing as well as job as you think.
Yeah, great, thank you so much to be cool, Dave. So I've just done my ECG, which David says is not a reliable score, but it says this ECG does not show signs of a trill. Trill.
That's that af Yeah, Gavin, what was it aterial fibulare.
And it said my average heart beat has gone down to fifty two beats permanent.
Oh, getting better.
So I'm getting even less excited than I was before.
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Bqueno News talk ed B. You've been a wearable phanatic for some time, have you, well.
About two and a half years. Yeah, So I acquired my watch. It was a hand me down. So my son, who's right into this sort of thing, he brought himself the latest one, and so he handed me down this old Apple watch. It's only your version two that doesn't have some of those features that your previous caller was talking about, as Matt was alluding to before. It does have the the three rings on it with exercise and and your stand hours, and I'm making my mission to try and close those every day.
Love it.
I think part of it is setting a realistic target for what you can achieve in a day and then and then making sure that you do it. And I think for me, you know, as you started on you fit this journey about two and a half years, goes way over weight, it was unfit and started to do something about it. And the watch has been excellent and just keeping me on track for making sure that I get it done.
And so with the sort of the original technology, Paul, you say it's got the rings there, what else does it measure? It doesn't have the ECG or the oxygen levels in your blood or any any of that.
Sort of stuff.
Doesn't and it doesn't see the sleep thing either, so I don't wear at night, which is good. But no, it has everything else. I mean, it's got it's you know, it's the original Apple version two. I have watched too, so it's got you know, stead, it's got heart rate, it's got lots all. It can calculate the VOH because it can feed it into the into your phone so they can work it out. But but yeah, it's actually it's actually a really good for what I need, which is a step beside minute.
I totally agree. Yeah, I totally agree, Paul. It's sort of the gamification of fitness, and you get a little buzz when you've done it, and it keeps you honest, and it's some way to check in if you don't do it, you feel a little bit disappointed. I think it's a fantastic thing. And it's making me walk up the stairs here rather than taking the elevator, and that's a big change.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I know that I'm only three quarters way through my rings today.
I had to go to the gym.
We'll get to it, mate.
You just in the dopamine hat of completing your rings, and it's worth it.
On the converse, if I can't, if I can't close it for whatever reason, like I'm sick, I can't get to the gym, whatever, I don't get anxiety about it.
Yeah.
Nice, you're the perfect We're usable cool.
Thank you for your call, Paula, and we had great discussion over the last hour.
Yeah, right after three o'clock.
Yeah, we're talking to doctor sal Murkogliano, who's maritime historian at Campbell University in North Carolina. He's got his thoughts on the Mana Wuanui auto pilot disaster, and let's just say it's got a lot to do with Ezzie POD's but it's a really really interesting theory that he's got going on this on this whole situation.
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I'm excited about this. Doctor sale and Murkogliano is a maritime historian at Campbell University, North Carolina, a former merchant mariner and host of the What Is going On was Shipping on YouTube. We reached out to him after enjoying his international analysis of the Mono Anui autopilot disaster. Good afternoon, Sale, Good afternoon, Nasal. Mono Nui was originally a commercial vessel converted for the navy. Do you think that had a bearing on the sinking?
I think it did.
The commercial vessel, the Eda Fomb, was designed for use up in the North Sea by the Norwegians, and as such it has a very unique propulsion system. It uses a series of what's called azipods, and unlike conventional navy vessels that have propellers and rudders as a pods require a lot of training to be very proficient in their use. Plus, it has a sophisticated autopilot system that requires familiarity with it, and it appears from the interim report given by the Admiral in charge of Navy that there was a lacking of knowledge in how to effectively shift from autopilot back into manual control.
Such explain a little bit about how the azipods system works compeded to a traditional Navy vessel.
Sure, so in a traditional vessel you would have a propeller and a rudder, turn the wheel and you kick the stern out of the vessel with as a pods. When you actually have individual control of the two as a pods, and the propellers are kind of suspended below the vessel and spin three hundred and sixty three hundred and sixty degrees around so that you don't actually throw a rudder per se. You can control the azipods individually, or you can slay them together and put them on single control through a knob. So it's a very unique system. It takes a lot of familiarity to know how to operate the systems. It provides extremely precision maneuvering, It provides the ability to stop the vessel almost immediately, but it is an elaborate system and requires a lot of training to be perfe yes.
So these are two independent They're thrusters, aren't they. But they're independent. They can be operated independently. But when you go into the autopilot mode, you've set a course, you've seen what you wanted to do, and the azipods are controlled by the navigation system.
Well, it actually depends on the type of autopilot system that is on board the ship. Commercially, it had a very sophisticated what's called dynamic positioning system that allowed you to really input into a computer the track line basically where you want the vessel to go. But when the ship was converted from commercial over to the Royal New Zealand Navy, there is a question about was the full dynamic positioning system carried over or was there a modified autopilot system put on board. Auto pilots can do a variety of things. They can set your course and you follow a straight course line. They can do waypoints, so you set up, go a line and come back. And during survey operations you really want to be on autopilot because you want to have the straightest course available. What was clear from the briefing was that the ship had shifted between manual and autopilot a few times. And what was clear is that they did not understand that they had put the ship into autopilot, at least a modified form of autopilot that allowed them to have throttle control. They sped up on the vessel, but they couldn't turn the acid pods to change course.
Yeah, so is that normal? Because if you look at the path that they're traveling along and then they go out of all a pilot and then they execute a turn away from the reef, and then they go back into autopilot. So what you're saying is, in a full autopilot system, you would just set it up to scan that reef on its own and execute all the tunes itself without going in and out of autopilot.
Right on an autopilot system, it's almost like a car with automatic lane changes or changing the speed.
It will do it for you.
You can program in the course change, put in the limits to how much rudder you want to use, or how much adipods you want to use, and it will make those changes for you. It was strange to me that they kept hopping in and out of that mode because it led obviously to the disaster that you saw, and more importantly, it put.
Them into a mode.
Where they had throttle control, they can make the ship go faster or slower, but they didn't have helm control where they can steer it.
Well, it looks like the autopilot was on for teen minutes before it was turned off. How easily can you check that a ship like the Mono Annui has its autopilot on?
Is there?
Is there?
No?
I mean when auto when are you talking about lane change in the car? It's pretty clear when it's on. You can see it on the screen. Is it not a light flashing saying you're on autopilot?
It depends on the system. Again, we know that it had a very sophisticated system on board when it was a commercial vessel. It's not clear that that same system was carried over, and so familiarity with the system would be a paramount. I mean, they should have indications for when that system is engaged, and even if when it's engaged in a limited fashion as it appeared to be here, you know, leaving it in autopilot mode. Again, one of the things that came up in the briefing was the crew did not believe that they were in autopilot. They thought they had a thruster failure, and so they started handling it like a thruster failure, and so they did not assume that it was locked into autopilot. It is only later ten minutes later, when probably other crew members came up to the bridge, senior crew members came up, did they realize that they were locked into autopilot.
And your experience was that a significant lack of training. The fact that when they tried to divert course will slow the vessel down, they ended up picking up speed. Is that just a drastic lack of training?
It is It is a clear lack of familiarity with the system. And you know, there was a very similar occasion in twenty seventeen when the USS McCain was maneuvering going into Singapore, and that was due to a lack of familiarity with this system and how to switch between modes and when you're operating close to a reef as they were, familiarity was really keen. I mean, I'm really at a loss to understand why they didn't just stay in manual mode until they were on the core setting they wanted to Yeah.
Because what you've got here is they accelerate from six knots to ten knots towards the reef, which looks like they've increased thrust. Is that because they were assuming that the azipods were one eighty degrees in the other direction than what they expected. So using the azipods to slow themselves down, they actually used them to speed themselves up by increasing the thrust.
Right, what I would envision they did it was was spin the azipods.
One.
They assumed the azipods were rotating, and actually on Manawanui, it actually has propellers on both front and halt of the az A pods, and so it actually there's a video of the dry docking of her, and so she actually has props on both ends of the az A pods. And so they envisioned that they were reversing the props, they were getting a spin around and actually backing down on it. And what was clear is they didn't, and that the speed up should have told them that they should have been watching the gauges to tell them that they were accelerating, not decelerating. The biggest thing they could have done was take speed off period, just slow down. You know, that would have at least mitigated the potential of running as hard up on the reef as they did.
Yeah, when they started spading up towards the RAF, they would have been quite a moment for them. During a RAF scanning maneuver like this, would the commander of the ship normally be on the.
Bridge, you know, it depends on the standard operating procedure for the ship. They were doing that survey for twenty two hours, so I mean, that's obviously a long protracted period of time to have the ship's cap on the bridge, but it wouldn't be unusual to have you know, maybe the captain or the executive officer on the bridge if they deemed it as dangerous operation. You know, the fact that they weren't up there tells me they didn't view it as a hazardous operation. They were running lines, you know, basically mowing the grass, trying to do their survey operations. But as they were getting closer and closer towards the reef, that may have you know, it may have caused more concern and hazard for the crew. But you know, the captains will set their standard procedures for a vessel, and it seems as if the captain here did not do that, or the officer on watch neglected to call the captain for a hazardous maneuver.
We just don't know.
There's not enough information for us to make that call yet.
This is fascinating stuff, doug Ga style. If you don't mind holding there for a few moments, We've got a few more questions for you. This is but we are speaking to doctor sul Murcogliano, professor at the US Merchant Marine Academy. More shortly, it is sixteen past three, nineteen past three. We're having a fascinating interview with doctor shle mccagliano, he's a professor at the US Merchant Marine Academy, on his analysis of the money Whenui's sinking SARL. It was mentioned in the report that there were critical errors that were identified training, planning, supervision, risk assessment and readiness. With all of those elements that have been identified, that's probably not a good look for the commander, is it.
I think that's damning of not just the captain, but potentially the entire Royal New Zealand Navy. If this is an issue across the board. That is areas. I mean those are critical areas you know, to operate a.
Battle, training, planning, supervision, assessment, and readiness. They all seem pretty key.
Yeah, I mean those are almost every area you can envision. And so this is either very damning for the ship's captain or it's very across the entire fleet. If this isn't, you know, an issue across the entire fleet, then it raises into question of the ability of other vessels. Again, Manawanui is a very unique type ship. It's common out in the commercial industry, but within navies it's very unique. Although we do see navies adopting the use of this type vessel. The Royal Navy has brought a very similar vessel in and the US Navy has brought a very similar vessel into the fleet.
We're talking to doctor cel mccagliano, Professa at the US Merchant Marine Academy about the manouanuis thinking, how real globally is it for a naval ship to sink in peace time?
Well, I mean you've you've had issues like the von Hamer Shard in San Diego catching fire and you know, basically being not thinking but being a constructive total loss. The US Navy lost a minesweeper aground in the South China Sea about a decade ago. It's not a rare occurrent, it's not a common occurrence, but it does happen. I mean, operating on the high seas is always a risk. And one of the big questions I have is why was Mono Lanui performing such a very delicate operation as close to shore when you could use autonomous vehicles, you can use a variety of different platforms to do it. Granted, the Royal New Zealand Navy doesn't have the money and capabilities of many other navies and that may have been the reason that it was being done Economy of scale.
Here you mentioned in your analysis so that sources have told you that our government did not pay the money to get the full dynamic position system, that the autopilot is highly likely to be incomplete. Would you expect that to come out of the Court of Inquiry that is currently underway.
I would hope the Court of Inquiry would talk to the Classification Society that is the third party entity that certifies vessel and when Monomanui was a commercial vessel, the classification society would have ensured that the ship had a system suitable for use in operation, so that it could be properly ensured. I would think that the Court of Inquiry would discuss the autopilot system in detail, what type of system. When we look at what happened on board USS McCain in twenty seventeen, the helm system was a major function that was looked at because the operating crew, the personnel using that system, we're not familiar with it. They had come over from another ship that had a different system and therefore they were unfamiliar with it. So I would think it would be a major issue within the Court of Inquiry.
Yeah, well, what if a autopilot system they have or on other ships. I think it'd be good to invest in a big flashing light that sees autopilot on at any given times I know it's going on.
There's there's also concern that you knock a ship out of autopilot and not know about it. There, there's there, there's there's a reason to have kind of redundancy in your ortal pilot system so that it can't be inadvertently noted out of auto pilot. The airline industry learned that to their detriment, when you know, you could just bump the controller and the ship comes out of ortal pilot and then all of a sudden you have a plane descending without the pilots being aware of that. So, I mean there's reasons for for the creation of systems. It's it's it's usually an accident of some kind that that is the the underlying cause.
Finally, would you describe this as a humiliating incident for the Royal New Zealand Navy.
I don't like to use that phrase because I think it's an accident and accidents will always happen as long as you have humans interfacing with machinery, especially at sea, you're going to use loose vessels. Just being at sea on a flat Colm day is a risky proposition. The sea always is trying to kill you. And the way the sea is, yeah, it looks calm and inviting, but you're always fighting that and unfortunately, when you let your guard down is typically when the sea wins. And so I don't consider it a humiliating lass. I hope, if anything, like many events, we learn from it. So hopefully there's a there's a lesson learned from it.
Yeah, well, I mean for New Zealand, it's a bit of a problem because it's twelve point five percent of parents or a navy fleet, so.
I know the big part.
Yeah, that was doctor cel Mircogliano. If you want to see a full analysis of his thoughts on the MANOOI autopilot disaster, then look up the what is going On in Shipping channel on YouTube. Very interesting man.
Yeah, I love that interview. And it is twenty four past three.
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Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty on US talk ZB.
Good afternoon, twenty six past three.
Now moving on from a one hundred and thirty million dollar maritime disaster to a more important issue. Yes, fake versus real Christmas tree.
Yeah, there has to be discussed.
We are at December three. That means Christmas tree buying season is in full flight. I just bought a fully real Christmas tree. I bought it on Friday on the way to work, put it in my car, left it there all day. It's put resin everywhere. There's needles all over the place. But my car does smell piny fresh. And I'll put it up in my house, and it looks absolutely beautiful. As I say, the smell, the lights. I am one hundred percent in on real Christmas.
Tree tasteful decorations. I've got to say as well, you sent through a photo looking beautiful with the Christmas light's going all day. But I hear what you say, real tree. I love the idea of a real tree. As you say, it smells nice, it's good for the environment. I don't know about the right. So how much did you pay for your tree?
I paid seventy dollars for my tree?
Oh, there's pretty reasonable.
There's plus is a new way they can get money, because this is how the Christmas tree places they sell the tree get the tree.
Now.
And then there's the special tree holder what do you call it, the sort of thing with the screws and it to hold it in place. Yep, yep, that's more. It's not just a bucket with rocks anymore. But now there's another thing that they try and sally, which is these little balls, these little around balls of tree nutrients that will apparently keep it going right up till after Christmas.
Who did they get rid of it? Do they come around and collect the dead tree once Christmas is done and dusted.
I didn't pay that. I didn't pay that. I'll just hit it into the neighbor's yard and they can deal with it.
Now.
I didn't pay for the pick up. The pickup would be good, though, I think, oh.
Yeah, absolutely, When would you expect the pickup? Would you leave it up until fair?
Well, that's the whole thing with the pickup, the pickup. And this is another thing with the real Christmas tree. And this is the one downside is you go away on holiday after Christmas and then you come back and it's well past the Christmas season and you've got this kind of welting tree in the corner of your room flashing away and you have to deal with it. You have to clean up the Christmas decorations, you know. So I'm actually a big believer in getting rid of the Christmas tree on Boxing day before you go on holiday.
That's smart. Well, I know that you're you hate Edmund. Edmund is the scourge of life. You know, We've got Edmon everywhere. Yeah, and I'm sorry to say, but the real tree love the idea of it. That's a heck of a lot of Edmund. You've got to get the we stand for it. You've got to get these little bulls that have the nutrients.
You got to watch.
How's Colin with the tree? He tries to rip it apart.
No, it doesn't try it well, not my dog Colin. No, No, he's a good boy. It's a good boy. I mean one year he did WI on the presence, but that's a totally different issue. That was whether it had been a real tree or an artificial tree. He was ready to WI on those presents.
Yeah, but I had hundred See I mean again, I undred eighty ten eighty real versus fake tree. We've gone fake for the last ten years. Yes, it's not pretty. I'm not inviting my mates around to say, hey, have a look at our tree, isn't it great? I don't do all those things. It just was there in the corner. It's nice for me and May and the dog. But the ad is pretty much non existent. Once we get to the end of Christmas. Put it back into the box for another year.
Happy day, joyless, soulless, joyless. It's not really Christmas. If you don't have a proper Christmas tree, with the proper Christmas tree sell smell, you're not really having Christmas at all. It's a soulless experience and you should be ashamed of yourself.
Should I be sitting one up now considering the fact that we're going to be in christ Church for Christmas, but I've got twenty days to enjoy this joy of Christmas? Well I should be buying when I'm sitting it up right now.
Yeah, I mean, Christmas isn't just the twenty fifth, mate, It's all of December. It's all of December all the way and then all the way up to the twenty six There's twenty six days of Christmas, if you ask me. And they need to be celebrated with a real tree.
This person knows via nine two nine two. There's no way that Tyler is going to go for a real tree. There's a fire risk. Absolutely.
Oh.
Eight one hundred and eighty ten and eighty is the number to call. Nine two ninety two real versus fake. And I've got to say I've seen a lot of people selling real trees this year. Usually they sell out. But love to hear from you on this one. It is bang on half past three. Mechinamooduce talks be headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with a blue bubble.
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Thank you very much. Raillan. We're talking about the age old Christmas question, real tree versus fake tree. Matt, you love your real tree?
Yeah, I think that's not Christmas. That a real tree one hundred percent. In fact, one year we went so far as to just have a poster of a tree on the wall and that was not a Christmas for that.
That's not a Christmas just a bitch. Yeah, but you love it so much that on Boxing Day that you chuck it over the neighbor's fence and gun and dust it.
Yeah, he can deal with it. I think real Christmas trees are disgraced as this text on nine two nine two. You see them after Christmas discard a dead brown thrown out on the burn those burn those trees. I think it should be band Wow.
What really?
Just because they go brown? Well, I mean all trees go brown eventually when they fall open to band All trees because of the brownness at the end of their lives.
Peter, you love your fake tree.
Do you? Oh?
I'm a fake tree guy. I just think it's so easy.
Man.
If you need to smell of pine, go to C. P. A and binding some little Carrie fresheners.
Not the same. It's not the same, Mate.
You still have to vacuum up plastic needles. So what's the difference. Well, tree, the needles still come off, so.
You still get that full annoying experience.
Ohe hundred percent. And I said, that's up on the first week in December and down on Boxing Day and I don't see it till the following year, and you get to use till all over for the next twenty years. It strings out.
But how how does you want to put together, Peter? Because I've seen some of those fake Christmas trees people get out of the attic and it's a major Rubik's Cube style operation to put them back together.
I've got a new fake tree this year. The feet on the last one broke and I had to have my dive weight holding the tree. This one that I've got now, it's perfectly fine. It does everything. And this year I never went to light, so I'm a non light to Christmas tree.
You're onto it.
So it's just a dark, little faky in the corner with some tensil on it.
Yeah, it does the trip because no one cares. What's the tree's under it, right.
Yeah, okay, Well I like the flashing lights and I like the pine smell. But so you reckon that you're getting a full blast of the wonder of Christmas with your fake tree with no lights.
Yeah, yeah, yep. And I can put it back at the box or a little bag and if I want to spray it with fake fake, spray it.
With you just get the fresh from you get the pinea fresh from the toilet, spread around. Sweet ass. I respect Christmas. I respect you, Peter. I respect your convictions, and you have a great Christmas.
Cheers, Peter, Thank you very much. Mate. Well sold Andy, you reckon you've got another option for us?
Yeah, boys, how are you?
I'm going to go option three and Kis and I we make money each year get out there with we go Drufford hunting or we might use old timmer from around the house or whatever, and then we just spend the day bit of bonding and make it and they kind of design what they want and then we build it and then it goes up on that It's like something there and I did.
That is very cool. You know what, I've never heard of this before, but this is this is wholesome as I like this, this is this, this is out you know, authentic king, I don't think that's a word, but it's more authentic than even the real tree. That that's that's quite cool. And the kids embrace it.
Yeah, yeah, they do actually want Mine's still up from last year. So we're going to chuck it out and build a new one.
That's how bad I am. But I'm to go.
I'd go.
I go natural all the way up.
Fake a little bit, but too easy. Anyone can go out and just buy one, I think, to go out and and that I mean, I'm with you.
You get out there and smell that pint.
Real want none, you a toilet freshman. Get out there and make it. Get out there and make it or support a graph, a local graph.
Yeah good on you.
On your Andy Driftwood Christmas tree.
I mean, I think that's Andy's put his finger on something. And I love that idea of getting getting your kids to build it and making it a special thing, because there is that, there is that the the whole ritual of bringing the Christmas tree in and it put putting its knee everywhere and being a real disaster. And then you're trying to make it stand up straight, and it keeps falling over, and then you decorate it and there's a whole rigmarole, whereas the whole you tyler, and you're sort of give me convenience or give me death kind approach to life. Because there's no difficulty and no struggle with putting up the tree. It has less meaning.
Yeah, yeah, you know there's an element to it that it is a little bit soulless, but it so screams Christmas, just and it away.
It's better than nothing. Yeah, it's better than not celebrating at all. And it's better than that Christmas we spend in a hotel room with just the poster of the tree on the wall that was soulless.
There's plenty of great digs coming through. Guys. You have forgotten something real with Christmas. Trees causes a lot of horrific sinus problems with a lot of people out there, and it's not a pleasant time of the year to visit people who have real trees there. You go, so you've got family members, but.
There's always someone that puts up their hand and goes, don't do this because there's one or two people that are affected by it, I mean I'm not going to change my life. Look, don't come round in my house if you've got sinus problems. I'm I'm gonna put a big sign on the door go warning, real Christmas tree in the house. And then people that are scared of real Christmas trees because these sinuses don't have to come round to my Christmas. There's always a reason why someone's got something that means you can't do something.
Just leave them anti estamines at the door and say take it or leave it, you know, smash these back and you'll be all right. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call real versus fake Christmas trees. And also for those people primarily in the South Island, is it okay? And this is a question for you as well, Matt, to venture into public land to cut down a wee wolding point for Christmas? Yes, yeah, three, yeah, it's beautiful.
I've cut down so many Christmas trees in my life. Because I think I was saying this the other day. I just to have a job cutting down Christmas trees at a nursery. That was my job every year. So I've enjoyed cutting down more Christmas trees. I've committed horrific crimes against the Christmas tree population. It's cut hundreds of them down and it was such a good job.
Lover.
Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is a number to call. It is nineteen to four.
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News Talk said, be we're talking the key issue of real versus fate Christmas trees on one hundred percent in the real camp as is this texture on nine two nine two. No boys, authentic is for me and the old man, sneaking into the forest, hoofing along with no headlights on in the dark of night, looking for the perfect tree, hacking it down, strapping it to the roof, making a get away before the forestry gang caught us. Dad bonding for the win.
Here you go there.
Now it's Christmas. Now it's Christmas and the dead of the night taking down Christmas tree.
That is wholesome. Man's another texture on nine two nine two. If Matt likes a dead body rotting in the corner of his house, he can have his Christmas. I mean, I mean that is true. You you love a Christmas tree so much that you kill it and put it in the corner of your room, film and then throw it out when it starts to wilt. But that reminds me of the movie Gremlins, Fantastic Christmas movie and the story of the phobix. Cake's character tells about her dad sneaking onto the roof in a Santa costume, then coming down the chimney getting stark, and then and then rotting in there and stinking out the house. And that's why she hates Christmas. Yeah, I mean she They really had a dead body in the corner of the room in that movie.
Paul, You're a fake tree man all the way, yeah, mate.
So yeah, we actually put up three fake Christmas trees every year. One is the main one that we have and my wife actually got that from a from one of the florist that you four years ago, back in ninety six, and we still have it today.
And that is that is that the glory one. Is that the marquee one, the biggest one, that one of your three.
It's probably it's the biggest one for sure, but it's actually the nicest ones. It's really quite sick of all the plastic needles. Yeah, is that really really full?
They got the in built lights?
No, No, we have LEDs that go on that. And it's quite special because we've we have bought a Christmas decoration for our children every year since they were born. And our sons twenty and our daughters nineteen, so they have nineteen or twenty decorations from a tree which we.
Do every year.
That's so cool.
I've been a story about why we bought it that year.
For them and it's pretty cool.
Wow.
And then that's our tree for our family. And then we have we also host the big Christmas you know, dinner with the family on the Christmas night, and we have a sip tree for that and we have all the families presents under that tree. So that's now in another the rumor. And then we have a small one upstairs which the kids use themselves or just a bit of decoration upstairs.
I love when I hear things like that, Paul, that you that you got your kids a different Christmas decoration every year. I think, why didn't I do that? That's such a great idea. Yeah, it's too late. Now there was another thing I needed to like put a bottle of whiskey away when both of them were born to open up at their twenty first. There's all these things and I failed to do Christmas Ornament one is such a beautiful idea. How did you think of that? Was that a family tradition or did you guys come up with that?
Well, we came up with it.
Actually it's not tradition, but we sort of maybe the traditions.
I think it will be a tradition to your kids. Now they'll they'll do it, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's quite cool because you know, the kids go through phases like sports events or that we wanted the most, you know, trips on we're overseas, and we bought a decoration of that of that place that we visited that year. So every every one head of story you.
Know which, and so it's like every Christmas, it's like a mini this is your life for each of your kids. They put the ornaments on the tree pretty much.
Yeah.
But the thing about the tree is that, you know, my wife brought our first tree and ninety six. You know, it's amazing that it's still going as good as it is now. Useless needles, but you wouldn't notice it you know, it's just really good quality as long as your pay the quality as they last year.
Love that, Paul, Thank you very much. We've got time for day. Get a Dave.
Yeah, hi guys, and great conversation. Just a quick funny story about Christmas trees, a real one. My wife always loved the real trees. We've got a two meter high real tree to go in our lounge. It was quite high ceiling in that set it all up in the big bucket with stones and water and the aspiring pools in there to keep it going. She decorated it all lovely. We sat down that evening Mike chair was right beside it, watching TV, and the thing crashed down on top of me.
Wet memories.
Hey, I was for about five minutes because my wife wouldn't stop laughing and my black lad was going crazy.
Christmas guys, Yeah, Merry Christmas as well, Dave.
Love it.
Some great teaks coming through on nine two nine two, guys. Real all the way I cut a slice off the trunk and mark the year on it, store the stump slices away for keepsakes. That's beautiful. That's nice.
Yeah, that's cool. The way I keep mine is just play having there's a shed next door, so I just have them down the back of that, and so it's piled up about five years of the Christmas trees because they take a long time to break down a Christmas tree. They go brown, but they don't get much smaller.
It takes years and yet environmentally friendly.
One percent, one hundred percently environmentally friendly.
Gooday, guys, I've had a fake tree for a long time. I'm an artistic person, and it's so much fun decorating them because there are loads more branches to put decorations on. You can bend the branches to suit your decorations. Every time someone comes, they go, wow, that is so beautiful. So I think fake trees are bitter. You can also decorate them earlier from Jenny, So.
What the percentages of fake trees versus real trees? Because I don't know, Like there's a lot of people selling real tree around wherever I drive around at the moment, there's there's lots of lots of them on sale.
Yeah, but.
But yeah, because I just can't imagine that. But I think a lot of it is how you brought up right. We always had a real Christmas tree, so it doesn't feel like Christmas without a real Christmas tree.
Yeah.
Yeah, and we always had real trees as well. Can you remember the salt dough ornaments? Hearing Peter talking about those lovely traditions and making the audience remember the salt dough ornaments that used to be real popular in the eighties.
Uh No, I remember the win KFC bought some out though a few years back.
Yeah, good times, good times. Oh on one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Will take another couple of calls on this and actually just a quick text poll nine two nine two, Just text real or fake and we'll do it quick telling up okay, on what the ultimate champion is when it comes to the tree.
Okay, So this is a binding referendum, real or false nine two nine two, and we'll announce the winner at the end of it.
It's going to be good. It's ten to four.
The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between. Mat Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons for twenty twenty four US Talk said B said B seven four.
We're just talking real versus fake. Christmas tree is a key issue for Kiwi's in December and on a previous issue. Can I just say that I've completed my rings on my on my watch.
Well done? So you did that sitting down, So that's that's way.
Well, I stood up to finish the last one. But you know, look, I've been for a run today.
Yeah, well done.
I'm a slave to complete in my rings. But we put out before the call, like the official binding referendum on real versus fake Christmas trees? Which way you go on? Nine two nine two? And boy boy, a lot of people listen to ZB heck yeah, particularly this show that that text machine has exploded. How do we even I'm just going to have to do a vibe on it. But I'm looking at this whole page of fifty and that's probably that's probably they're nearly all real that page. I'll go back another page. I know there's so many coming through.
That's all coming through nine two ninety two. Real or face is what we've asked. If you want to keep them going through, we'll find someone in the back room to count them all last.
Formerly in text coming through. It's very to run it by referendum when you can't even count.
Well, we'll each take a vipe here for the binding referendum. I've got to say, I think the reels have it by a nose. I'd say sixty percent reel.
Yeah, I would say something like that as well. Yeah, and it's just a flurry of fakes came through.
Right, We're going to send that. We're going to send that upstairs to get an official count on the real versus a fake. Some longer teachs coming through. Guys. I've always had a real Christmas tree, but now I've remarried and she's the boss, and i'mpathetic, so I've gone with plastic.
Yep. Hey, this is something going back on yesterday. That's great, guys, with your very very interesting chat on real versus Christmas trees. But can you please tell us where the matter is charging his e bikes today? That's from Gary. That was yesterday. We're talking about e bike and Lithian batteries. And look, I've got to say I came in with a lot of bravado, yep, and a cavalier attitude. But then after an hour and a half of stories of life, the batteries going up. I did switch my batteries off for my partner's e bike. I switched it off at the wall when I left the house today in the garage.
Yeah, we got them, folks, So we got them.
So I am open. I am open to lending things.
Whereas I left my fridge going this morning. So I'm getting better as well.
The fakes are really really come back to the India. I think it might be fifty to fifty now with the about two hundred fakes that just came through.
We've got some homework to do. We'll give you an official tally tomorrow.
In suspense, we'll be counting all night. I'll be like the California recounts in the US election.
Right.
Thank you very much for today. I really enjoyed the discussion. We'll do it all again tomorrow, and hey, give them a taste of Kiwi from me.
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