Since you're a subscriber to this Bloomberg podcast, we thought you'd be interested in a six episode sponsored podcast called Targeting the Toughest Diseases produced by Vertex Pharmaceuticals and Bloomberg Media Studios. It explores the innovative tools, methods, and unique philosophy Vertex Pharmaceuticals is using to search for treatments for some of humanity's most challenging diseases. Here's a recent episode.

Since you're a subscriber to this Bloomberg podcast, we thought you'd be interested in a six episode sponsored podcast called Targeting the Toughest Diseases produced by Vertex Pharmaceuticals and Bloomberg Media Studios. It explores the innovative tools, methods, and unique philosophy Vertex Pharmaceuticals is using to search for treatments for some of humanity's most challenging diseases. Here's a recent episode.

That's Damian Sanchez, or if you are a jazz fan living in Miami, Damian jy Well.

That's Damian Sanchez, or if you are a jazz fan living in Miami, Damian jy Well.

I play all types of music, but yes, my passion lies in the jazz genre. The history of jazz inspires me to create. I get very passionate about talking about the history of jazz from its very beginnings until today.

I play all types of music, but yes, my passion lies in the jazz genre. The history of jazz inspires me to create. I get very passionate about talking about the history of jazz from its very beginnings until today.

His passion started when he was twelve years old.

His passion started when he was twelve years old.

I saw a picture in a magazine that changed my life. When I was young. It was a picture of a young man who was holding every single would win because he could play them all, and so I wanted to be like that kid.

I saw a picture in a magazine that changed my life. When I was young. It was a picture of a young man who was holding every single would win because he could play them all, and so I wanted to be like that kid.

Damien started with the obo, then the flute, the alto, sacks, the clarinet, and even the bassoon.

Damien started with the obo, then the flute, the alto, sacks, the clarinet, and even the bassoon.

I also play guitar. I also play piano, and I also play various percussion instruments, mainly Latin percussion stuff because it's part of my project to perform Latin jazz.

I also play guitar. I also play piano, and I also play various percussion instruments, mainly Latin percussion stuff because it's part of my project to perform Latin jazz.

But on a day that should have been a musical celebration, Damien's life took a terrible turn.

But on a day that should have been a musical celebration, Damien's life took a terrible turn.

Hi.

Hi.

I'm Jordan Gospore, a member of the University of Southern California's Center for Health Journalism. This is Targeting the Toughest Diseases a podcast produced by Bloomberg Media Studios and Vertex Pharmaceuticals. In this series, we look at some of humanity's most challenging diseases and how Vertex, a Boston based biotech company, is using innovative tools, methods, and a unique philosophy to search for treatments and cures. Today, we're looking at a cute pain. You might think pain is just a sign that something else is wrong in your body, but Vertex is looking at pain as its own unique condition. They're researching it as a disease.

I'm Jordan Gospore, a member of the University of Southern California's Center for Health Journalism. This is Targeting the Toughest Diseases a podcast produced by Bloomberg Media Studios and Vertex Pharmaceuticals. In this series, we look at some of humanity's most challenging diseases and how Vertex, a Boston based biotech company, is using innovative tools, methods, and a unique philosophy to search for treatments and cures. Today, we're looking at a cute pain. You might think pain is just a sign that something else is wrong in your body, but Vertex is looking at pain as its own unique condition. They're researching it as a disease.

It's December twenty twenty two. I just finished about a month of rehearsals with a symphony, a very specific symphony made up of nonprofit organizations sponsoring young musicians and professional musicians here that play classical music that is of unheard of composers of color.

It's December twenty twenty two. I just finished about a month of rehearsals with a symphony, a very specific symphony made up of nonprofit organizations sponsoring young musicians and professional musicians here that play classical music that is of unheard of composers of color.

This was the day of the inaugural performance.

This was the day of the inaugural performance.

I wake up early that day. It was a Saturday. We're performing at the Broward Set of the Performing Arts, this wonderful hall in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I live in Miami, so I grab my scooter.

I wake up early that day. It was a Saturday. We're performing at the Broward Set of the Performing Arts, this wonderful hall in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I live in Miami, so I grab my scooter.

See, Damien doesn't like driving. He's not a guy that likes sitting still, and South Florida's traffic can be bad, so instead of a car, he uses an electric kickscooter and public transit. Getting to Fort Lauderdale means riding his scooter to the train station, taking the train up the coast, and then using the scooter again to get to the venue.

See, Damien doesn't like driving. He's not a guy that likes sitting still, and South Florida's traffic can be bad, so instead of a car, he uses an electric kickscooter and public transit. Getting to Fort Lauderdale means riding his scooter to the train station, taking the train up the coast, and then using the scooter again to get to the venue.

I have my English horrant and my olbow and my music and my backpack on my backstrapped on. I had my helmet.

I have my English horrant and my olbow and my music and my backpack on my backstrapped on. I had my helmet.

He's also wearing a brand new tuxedo.

He's also wearing a brand new tuxedo.

And I remember looking to the left and looking to the right and saying, ha ha ah, traffic sucks.

And I remember looking to the left and looking to the right and saying, ha ha ah, traffic sucks.

Damien was in the bike lane going down a steep hill when a driver apparently attempting to get out of the gridlock suddenly turned into the bike lane.

Damien was in the bike lane going down a steep hill when a driver apparently attempting to get out of the gridlock suddenly turned into the bike lane.

I hit the front of her car with my scooter, which I do not let go of, which actually ends up flipping me over the front of her car. I fly into the air and I land on my ribs, which get cracked, and my foot, my right foot get caught up in the accident, and my tibia and my fibria both are shattered in many many places, and my leg is completely discombobulated, disjointed to the side.

I hit the front of her car with my scooter, which I do not let go of, which actually ends up flipping me over the front of her car. I fly into the air and I land on my ribs, which get cracked, and my foot, my right foot get caught up in the accident, and my tibia and my fibria both are shattered in many many places, and my leg is completely discombobulated, disjointed to the side.

Damien didn't lose consciousness. In fact, he tried to stand up.

Damien didn't lose consciousness. In fact, he tried to stand up.

And as soon as I put one ounce of pressure on that right foot, then the pain started coming in, very very strong. As you can imagine. I have all these broken bones in my right leg, and I'm trying to walk on it and walk it off like and nothing ever happened.

And as soon as I put one ounce of pressure on that right foot, then the pain started coming in, very very strong. As you can imagine. I have all these broken bones in my right leg, and I'm trying to walk on it and walk it off like and nothing ever happened.

A crowd gathered and someone called for an ambulance. Within minutes, he was in the emergency room of a nearby hospital. The pain in his leg was unbearable.

A crowd gathered and someone called for an ambulance. Within minutes, he was in the emergency room of a nearby hospital. The pain in his leg was unbearable.

This one guy says, we're gonna give you more, and we're gonna manipulate that leg until they're ready to operate, because it needs to be manipulated. I said, I've never had any drugs. I don't take drugs. They said, well, you're gonna want it. I said okay, and they gave it to me through my ivy and I felt like I was really drunk. And then he grabbed my foot and put it back in place. I ready didn't feel inebriated. I was laughing. I was joking, you know. I was being very bubbly, which I usually am anyways, but I was kind of scared.

This one guy says, we're gonna give you more, and we're gonna manipulate that leg until they're ready to operate, because it needs to be manipulated. I said, I've never had any drugs. I don't take drugs. They said, well, you're gonna want it. I said okay, and they gave it to me through my ivy and I felt like I was really drunk. And then he grabbed my foot and put it back in place. I ready didn't feel inebriated. I was laughing. I was joking, you know. I was being very bubbly, which I usually am anyways, but I was kind of scared.

After a few hours, the drugs were off and the pain returned. It was time for a second dose.

After a few hours, the drugs were off and the pain returned. It was time for a second dose.

I wasn't gonna take anything. I didn't want to get hooked. My family has a lineage of substance and alcohol abuse. My brother fights it, and my uncles fought it, and I've always had that trauma in my brain.

I wasn't gonna take anything. I didn't want to get hooked. My family has a lineage of substance and alcohol abuse. My brother fights it, and my uncles fought it, and I've always had that trauma in my brain.

It's a horrible decision many patients face, choosing between pain and the risk of addiction. The doctors tried their best to persuade him.

It's a horrible decision many patients face, choosing between pain and the risk of addiction. The doctors tried their best to persuade him.

They were all about it. They were all about it. Now you sure, are you sure? You don't want to think nothing? What are you going to do? I'm just gonna deal with it.

They were all about it. They were all about it. Now you sure, are you sure? You don't want to think nothing? What are you going to do? I'm just gonna deal with it.

And that's what many patients do when faced with acute pain. They just deal with it.

And that's what many patients do when faced with acute pain. They just deal with it.

I never took any pain medication, no matter how bad it hurt. But yeah, the first three months were hel Man.

I never took any pain medication, no matter how bad it hurt. But yeah, the first three months were hel Man.

Pain isn't entirely a bad thing. It's actually an important warning system. It's our body's way of telling us something is wrong.

Pain isn't entirely a bad thing. It's actually an important warning system. It's our body's way of telling us something is wrong.

Typically, you expect a broken limb to hurt a lot when you injure it gradually get better. It'll be a key for a few weeks, but as it heals after three months, you would not expect someone to still have pain from that broken limb.

Typically, you expect a broken limb to hurt a lot when you injure it gradually get better. It'll be a key for a few weeks, but as it heals after three months, you would not expect someone to still have pain from that broken limb.

Doctor Norman Buckley is the director of the Michael G. Degrout National Pain Center in Hamilton, Canada.

Doctor Norman Buckley is the director of the Michael G. Degrout National Pain Center in Hamilton, Canada.

There certainly are a settings where people continue to report pain. Then you have to consider what's the reason for that, he says.

There certainly are a settings where people continue to report pain. Then you have to consider what's the reason for that, he says.

Doctors have used medicine to manage pain for centuries. Opium in the sixteen hundreds, ether and chloroform in the eighteen hundreds, then morphine and even heroin in the nineteen hundreds. More recently, insets have been used. Those are nonsterodal anti inflammatory drugs and of course opioids, which can be effective but bring tolerability concerns and carry the risk of addiction. Innovation and pain management has been slow, in part because pain is both common and complex. It affects individual people differently. Those differences might be influenced by gender, genetics, and age, as well as other factors. Pain represents exactly the kind of medical problem Vertex likes to target. There's a long history of research to build on, there's new technology available or Vertex thinks they can develop it. There's a large unmet need and Vertex thinks it may be possible to make an impact.

Doctors have used medicine to manage pain for centuries. Opium in the sixteen hundreds, ether and chloroform in the eighteen hundreds, then morphine and even heroin in the nineteen hundreds. More recently, insets have been used. Those are nonsterodal anti inflammatory drugs and of course opioids, which can be effective but bring tolerability concerns and carry the risk of addiction. Innovation and pain management has been slow, in part because pain is both common and complex. It affects individual people differently. Those differences might be influenced by gender, genetics, and age, as well as other factors. Pain represents exactly the kind of medical problem Vertex likes to target. There's a long history of research to build on, there's new technology available or Vertex thinks they can develop it. There's a large unmet need and Vertex thinks it may be possible to make an impact.

We've picked a set of diseases, cystic fibrosis, type one, diabetes, sickle cell disease, also pain.

We've picked a set of diseases, cystic fibrosis, type one, diabetes, sickle cell disease, also pain.

That's doctor David Altschuler. He's the chief scientific officer at Vertex Pharmaceuticals. What he's really on is a quest for something innovative. He's in search of new ways to think about old problems.

That's doctor David Altschuler. He's the chief scientific officer at Vertex Pharmaceuticals. What he's really on is a quest for something innovative. He's in search of new ways to think about old problems.

The real question in our mind is can we succeed? Can we make a difference? Pain itself can be a disease.

The real question in our mind is can we succeed? Can we make a difference? Pain itself can be a disease.

That's doctor Paul Negelescu. He's leading Vertex's research in this area.

That's doctor Paul Negelescu. He's leading Vertex's research in this area.

So while pain is a symptom of diseases, many diseases, it can also be a disease in and of itself.

So while pain is a symptom of diseases, many diseases, it can also be a disease in and of itself.

Vertex has been working on that puzzle for decades.

Vertex has been working on that puzzle for decades.

There are tens of millions of people in the US that get pain experience every year, either acute or chronic pain.

There are tens of millions of people in the US that get pain experience every year, either acute or chronic pain.

One thing that really interested me is why does it seem like some people are more sensitive to pain than others.

One thing that really interested me is why does it seem like some people are more sensitive to pain than others.

It's a very subjective thing pain, and it's actually we don't understand what makes different people sensitive or not to pain.

It's a very subjective thing pain, and it's actually we don't understand what makes different people sensitive or not to pain.

I would say though, that there are outliers.

I would say though, that there are outliers.

I mean, there are definitely some people that are way off the charts in terms of their ability to detect pain or not.

I mean, there are definitely some people that are way off the charts in terms of their ability to detect pain or not.

Would you be able to break down for me a little bit further into what exactly is pain?

Would you be able to break down for me a little bit further into what exactly is pain?

It's a really good question. So pain is an unpleasant sensation. It's something that you experience, and so therefore it is something that has been processed by your brain and depending on your state of mind, literally that affects your ability to sense pain. So it's a complicated process by which.

It's a really good question. So pain is an unpleasant sensation. It's something that you experience, and so therefore it is something that has been processed by your brain and depending on your state of mind, literally that affects your ability to sense pain. So it's a complicated process by which.

We perceive pain.

We perceive pain.

Now the way that we're trying to approach it, which is to kind of take it out of the brain part, because we know it starts in the periphery.

Now the way that we're trying to approach it, which is to kind of take it out of the brain part, because we know it starts in the periphery.

In most cases it's due to.

In most cases it's due to.

An injury or a surgery or damage to a nerve that's outside the brain, so that part of the body is sending signals to the brain. It hurts, It hurts, and then you're processing those signals, and depending on whether you're awake a sleep distracted, you feel.

An injury or a surgery or damage to a nerve that's outside the brain, so that part of the body is sending signals to the brain. It hurts, It hurts, and then you're processing those signals, and depending on whether you're awake a sleep distracted, you feel.

Different levels of pain.

Different levels of pain.

Our goal is to try to cut it off so it never really gets to the brain. Opioids work at the level.

Our goal is to try to cut it off so it never really gets to the brain. Opioids work at the level.

Of the central nervous system.

Of the central nervous system.

They actually suppress the inputs that are coming into the brain, and so we're trying to work from the outside of the brain to reduce the pain signals into it.

They actually suppress the inputs that are coming into the brain, and so we're trying to work from the outside of the brain to reduce the pain signals into it.

That's the unique aspect of Vertex's approach to research, innovative approaches based on the underlying mechanism of the disease.

That's the unique aspect of Vertex's approach to research, innovative approaches based on the underlying mechanism of the disease.

The way we're approaching pain is by targeting the these proteins that have been identified through human genetics as playing a key role in the transmission of pain signals in the pain sensing neurons. If you think about the pain sensing neuron as a wire, it's transmitting a signal that says I've got pain in one part of my body to the other part of your body, and for that signal to get transmitted, it has to be conducted along that wire to conduct that electrical signal through that sensory nerve. It's kind of like a bucket brigade. One channel opens at one end and it passes the electrical signal to the next and that gets passed to the next one and so on, and that's how the signal gets propagated. And so you know, we're trying to interrupt that transmission.

The way we're approaching pain is by targeting the these proteins that have been identified through human genetics as playing a key role in the transmission of pain signals in the pain sensing neurons. If you think about the pain sensing neuron as a wire, it's transmitting a signal that says I've got pain in one part of my body to the other part of your body, and for that signal to get transmitted, it has to be conducted along that wire to conduct that electrical signal through that sensory nerve. It's kind of like a bucket brigade. One channel opens at one end and it passes the electrical signal to the next and that gets passed to the next one and so on, and that's how the signal gets propagated. And so you know, we're trying to interrupt that transmission.

The work is focused on researching the mechanism of how a pain signal travels in the body, with the hope of making a difference for patients. It's been two years since Damien's accident, and other than walking with a slight limp, he's moved on with his life. He doesn't dwell on those pain filled months after his surgery. In fact, he says he really doesn't remember most of it.

The work is focused on researching the mechanism of how a pain signal travels in the body, with the hope of making a difference for patients. It's been two years since Damien's accident, and other than walking with a slight limp, he's moved on with his life. He doesn't dwell on those pain filled months after his surgery. In fact, he says he really doesn't remember most of it.

You tend to block out memories that you don't want, you really do. They're painful, So I think that's why I don't remember more about that time in the hospital.

You tend to block out memories that you don't want, you really do. They're painful, So I think that's why I don't remember more about that time in the hospital.

What he does remember is that when the pain was so bad it made it difficult to even stand up, he never lost his passion.

What he does remember is that when the pain was so bad it made it difficult to even stand up, he never lost his passion.

I don't want to give up on music. I don't want to give up on my music. As long as I'm close to the music and keep playing music, I'm very happy. So that's what I want to know. I'm want to be at peace.

I don't want to give up on music. I don't want to give up on my music. As long as I'm close to the music and keep playing music, I'm very happy. So that's what I want to know. I'm want to be at peace.

This is Targeting the toughest diseases. A podcast from Bloomberg Media Studios and Vertex Pharmaceuticals. If you like what you hear, subscribe and leave us a review. I'm Jordan Gospore. Thanks for listening.

This is Targeting the toughest diseases. A podcast from Bloomberg Media Studios and Vertex Pharmaceuticals. If you like what you hear, subscribe and leave us a review. I'm Jordan Gospore. Thanks for listening.