Your house needs a “dirty zone”.  Which, let’s face it, is just as well. 

Also, is there such a thing as living too long? Jessie Stephens wants to take on the longevity craze and unpack this dangerous idea, after seeing Lucinda Holdforth speak.

Plus, Holly Wainwright blames Harry Styles for the fact that running has become the coolest hobby there is, Jessie has a theory about marathon runners and Em thinks there’s a very strict rule about how long they can wear their medals.

And, a marathon (ouch) of recommendations, friends: 

Em recommendsa water filter jug from Kmart. 

Jessie recommends A LOT — The Things We Never Say by Elizabeth Strout, The Traitors Australia, and Silk Pillowcases. Also Love Island.   

Holly recommends My Brilliant Career on Netflix.

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Your house needs a &ldquo;dirty zone&rdquo;.&nbsp; Which, let&rsquo;s face it, is just as well.&nbsp;
Also, is there such a thing as living too long? Jessie Stephens wants to take on the longevity craze and unpack this dangerous idea, after seeing Lucinda Holdforth speak.
Plus, Holly Wainwright blames Harry Styles for the fact that running has become the coolest hobby there is, Jessie has a theory about marathon runners and Em thinks there&rsquo;s a very strict rule about how long they can wear their medals.
And, a marathon (ouch) of recommendations, friends:&nbsp;
Em recommends a <a href="https://fave.co/4gTqQq1">water filter jug</a> from Kmart.&nbsp;
Jessie recommends A LOT &mdash; <a href="https://fave.co/4zZppiI">The Things We Never Say</a> by Elizabeth Strout, <a href="https://10.com.au/the-traitors">The Traitors Australia</a>, and <a href="https://fave.co/4627A4P">Silk Pillowcases</a>. Also Love Island.&nbsp; &nbsp;
Holly recommends <a href="https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81655060">My Brilliant Career</a> on Netflix.
Keen for more? Check out the&nbsp;<a href="https://substack.com/@mamamiaoutloud">Mamamia Out Loud newsletter</a>.
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au/"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to The Quicky: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/the-quicky/tq-tuesday-01092026/">Your AM Headlines + Are Australians Living Too Long?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/tom-cruise-nicole-kidman-divorce/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Gwyneth&rsquo;s Dinner Party Disaster &amp; Tom Cruise&rsquo;s New Love Interest</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/lindsay-clancy-verdict/">The Lindsay Clancy Frenzy &amp; Holly&rsquo;s Surprising Harry Take</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/jessie-stephens-postpartum/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">What Mia Didn&rsquo;t Know About Jessie&rsquo;s Postpartum</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-names-in-nicole-kidman-s-freezer-its-time-to-talk-about-choking/">The Names In Nicole Kidman&rsquo;s Freezer &amp; It's Time To Talk About Choking</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/blindside-divorce/">The Blindside Divorce &amp; Everything Is Embarrassing</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-taylors-missing-dress/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Taylor's Missing Dress &amp; The Best Friend Curse</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/sydney-swans-aftermath-royal-return/"></a><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts&nbsp;</a></li>
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Discover more <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/">Mamamia Podcasts here </a>including the very latest episode of <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/">Parenting Out Loud</a>, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"> Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/mamamia-out-loud/id928350893">Mamamia Out Loud on Apple</a>
What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/losing-mum-voluntary-assisted-dying/">'I knew the exact minute my mum would take her last breath. I thought that would be the hardest part.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/annaliese-holland/">'At 21, I realised I was terminal. At 26, I'm choosing to die on my own terms.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/symptoms-of-lactose-intolerance/">What is lactose and what role does it play in the gut?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/celebrity-traitors-uk-2025/">'The best reality show of 2025 was one you probably missed.'</a></li>
</ul>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens &amp; Emily Vernem
Group Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Executive Producer: Grace Rouvray
Video Producer: Josh Green
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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Your House Needs A Dirty Zone & Everything That Got Jessie Stephens Through Mat Leave

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