When you fall for someone else on national television, is there a right way to break the news to your partner? On today's show, we dive deep into the tangled breakup of Jojo Siwa and Aussie Kath Ebbs — and yep, it’s messier than you think.

Also, the final leaders’ debate served up a baffling convo about eggs, a full-blown culture war, and plenty of secondhand embarrassment. 

And finally, we're at home with the deeply calm and zen-like Clooneys. George and Amal never argue apparently but is this really something to aspire to in a marriage? We’re unpacking everything they're missing out on when there's no argy-bargy and reveal what couples actually fight about.

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Listen: Sex Toys, Borrowing Money & A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas
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Listen: Katy Perry, Gayle King & THAT Blue Origin Space Flight
Listen: Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried
Listen: A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea
Listen: The Exact Science To Keep You Enjoying Your Job 
Listen: A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes.
Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions

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What to read:
Hours after leaving Big Brother, JoJo Siwa and Kath Ebbs split. Now, Kath has spoken.
After another 'aggressive' incident, Mickey Rourke has left Celebrity Big Brother.
Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent accusers, has died, aged 41.
Days before her heartbreaking post, Virginia Giuffre was facing court.
'The sausage dog who terrorised Kangaroo Island for 500 days is my obsession. At last, we have an update.'
'My life changed.' A look into George Clooney's family life with 7-year-old twins.
'I asked couples without kids what they actually fight about. One answer kept coming up.'

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When you fall for someone else on national television, is there a right way to break the news to your partner? On today's show, we dive deep into the tangled breakup of Jojo Siwa and Aussie Kath Ebbs &mdash; and yep, it&rsquo;s messier than you think.
Also, the final leaders&rsquo; debate served up a baffling convo about eggs, a full-blown culture war, and plenty of secondhand embarrassment.&nbsp;
And finally, we're at home with the deeply calm and zen-like Clooneys. George and Amal never argue apparently but is this really something to aspire to in a marriage? We&rsquo;re unpacking everything they're missing out on when there's no argy-bargy and reveal what couples&nbsp;actually fight about.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/how-to-be-a-supercommunicator">What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/loaning-friends-money/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Sex Toys, Borrowing Money &amp; A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-influencer-whos-changed-too-much-liz-hurleys-hard-launch">The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much &amp; Liz Hurley's Hard Launch</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/blue-origin-all-female-space-flight-katy-perry-gayle-king/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Katy Perry, Gayle King &amp; THAT Blue Origin Space Flight</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/finding-personal-style/">Another Little Treat: The Tyranny Of Looking Like You Haven't Tried</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/today-at-apple-mamamia-out-loud-10-years">A Little Treat: This Special Live Show Recording Spilt 10 Years of Tea</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/changing-careers-vera-wang/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Exact Science To Keep You Enjoying Your Job&nbsp;</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/liberal-party-diss-track-leaving-labor">A Very 2025 Diss Track. No Notes.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/clare-stephens/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Clare Stephens - We Have Questions</a></li>
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What to read:
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/kath-ebbs-jojo-siwa-split/">Hours after leaving Big Brother, JoJo Siwa and Kath Ebbs split. Now, Kath has spoken.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/mickey-rourke-jojo-siwa-bella-thorne/">After another 'aggressive' incident, Mickey Rourke has left Celebrity Big Brother.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/sydney-kidnapping-beverly-hills/"></a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/virginia-giuffre-death/">Virginia Giuffre, one of Jeffrey Epstein's most prominent accusers, has died, aged 41.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/virginia-giuffre-bus-crash/">Days before her heartbreaking post, Virginia Giuffre was facing court.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/valerie-sausage-dog-kangaroo-island/">'The sausage dog who terrorised Kangaroo Island for 500 days is my obsession. At last, we have an update.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/george-clooney-amal/">'My life changed.' A look into George Clooney's family life with 7-year-old twins.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-couples-without-kids-fight-about/">'I asked couples without kids what they actually fight about. One answer kept coming up.'</a></li>
</ul>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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We're Fighting About Being Ugly 

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