Holly Wainwright finds Laurie Anderson’s three rules for life inspiring. Em Vernem finds them embarrassing - so cue a generational war in today’s episode.

Plus, The Guardian has named the five types of people ruining conversations, from the serial monologuer to the trauma dumper. Holly, Jessie and Em have met every one of them, and one is hated more than the rest.

Also, Jessie has found a recruiter who says to never walk into a job interview holding this one diverse item. We debate whether its a fair accessory or a power play.

And, the New York Times ranks the 100 best TV shows of the century and we have all your reccos for the long weekend.

Recommendations

Holly recommends How To Be Hopeful by Caitlin Moran

Jessie recommends Vinted for all your second hand shopping. 

Em recommends the new movie Diggerwith Tom Cruise.

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Holly Wainwright finds Laurie Anderson&rsquo;s three rules for life inspiring. Em Vernem finds them embarrassing - so cue a generational war in today&rsquo;s episode.
Plus, The Guardian has named the five types of people ruining conversations, from the serial monologuer to the trauma dumper. Holly, Jessie and Em have met every one of them, and one is hated more than the rest.
Also, Jessie has found a recruiter who says to never walk into a job interview holding this one diverse item. We debate whether its a fair accessory or a power play.
And, the New York Times ranks the 100 best TV shows of the century and we have all your reccos for the long weekend.
Recommendations
Holly recommends <a href="https://www.booktopia.com.au/how-to-be-hopeful-caitlin-moran/book/9781529974805.html?source=pla&amp;amp;gad_source=1&amp;amp;gad_campaignid=21618274688&amp;amp;gbraid=0AAAAA-Ia9hMbhoLViTdRqiXNk6uc6EKFN&amp;amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw5vLVBhCiARIsAD56SFKN4MxaU26g-cJlFCm9cH5yg-AvWI8g_Sh_MG6HJ_TFGHGaQKb7L3QaAj6SEALw_wcB">How To Be Hopeful</a>&nbsp;by Caitlin Moran
Jessie recommends <a href="https://www.vinted.com.au/">Vinted</a> for all your second hand shopping.&nbsp;
Em recommends the new movie <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORTe1wW3Wg">Digger</a> with Tom Cruise.
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Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au/"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/what-is-ferritin-face/">What Makes You Rich &amp; Do I Have &lsquo;Ferritin Face&rsquo;?</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/deep-questions/">The 5 questions to ask instead of making small talk.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-your-coffee-order-says-about-you/">'Your coffee order tells me everything I need to know about you.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/types-of-coffee-drinkers/"></a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/coffee-cup-test-job-interview/">'I thought I'd aced the job interview. Then I realised I failed a hidden test.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/best-shows-you-missed-lately/">'I'm a TV reviewer. Here are the best shows you may have missed lately.'</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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Three Rules For Life & The Worst Person In A Conversation

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