Two politicians walk into a podcast studio… and no, this isn’t the start of a bad joke. In today’s episode of Out Loud, we spill the tea on what really went down when Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton dropped by Mamamia for a chat. 

And we don’t want to alarm anyone on a Monday, but you might just be suffering from hurry sickness. Yes, it’s a thing, and we dive into how it’s affecting lives and sanity.

Plus, a high-profile father has taken centre stage with an emotional open letter to parents of autistic kids by saying the quiet thing out loud. We unpack the conversations it sparked – and why it matters.

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What To Listen To Next: 
Listen to our latest episode: Mel Robbins Knows Exactly What's Wrong with You
Listen: The White Lotus — 5 Theories & A Dong Watch
Listen: The New Things People Are Saying During Sex
Listen: The Royals' Group Chat & Mia's BTS Secrets From Award Season
Listen: The (No Spoiler) Severance Conversation We’ve Been Waiting To Have
Listen: A Meghan Pivot No One Expected & The Ugly SNARF Phone Trap
Listen:  The Fight You Need To Have With Your Parents
Listen: The (No Spoiler) Severance Conversation We’ve Been Waiting To Have
Listen to No Filter: Anthony Albanese, Prime Minister: The Interview
Listen to No Filter: Peter Dutton, Opposition Leader: The Interview
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What To Read:
Read: An Open Letter to The Parents Of Autistic Children, From Hugh Van Cuylenburg
Read: 'I am raising four neurodivergent kids. Then I saw myself in them.'
Read: We sat down with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, these are 3 things he wants you to know.
Read: Peter Dutton says he's not who you think. This is his pitch to you.
Read: Jessica Mauboy just shared details of her 'rollercoaster' life as a new mum.
Read: What is Hurry Sickness?

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Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at outloud@mamamia.com.au

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens & Mia Freedman 

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Producer: Leah Porges 

Video Producer: Josh Green 

Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne & Tessa Kotowicz

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Two politicians walk into a podcast studio&hellip; and no, this isn&rsquo;t the start of a bad joke. In today&rsquo;s episode of Out Loud, we spill the tea on what really went down when Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and Opposition Leader Peter Dutton dropped by Mamamia for a chat.&nbsp;
And we don&rsquo;t want to alarm anyone on a Monday, but you might just be suffering from hurry sickness. Yes, it&rsquo;s a thing, and we dive into how it&rsquo;s affecting lives and sanity.
Plus, a high-profile father has taken centre stage with an emotional open letter to parents of autistic kids by saying the quiet thing out loud. We unpack the conversations it sparked &ndash; and why it matters.
<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=black-friday&amp;code=OUTLOUDFRIDAY">Support independent women's media</a>
<a href="https://www.outloudlive.com.au/">Get your tickets to the Mamamia Out Loud Live 2025 All or Nothing Tour Presented By Nivea Cellular&nbsp;</a>
<a href="https://www.apple.com/au/today/event/spotlight-mamamia-032825/7297820709852971264/?sn=R238&amp;cid=rem-au-taa-soc-hp250328">Register for the free Today at Apple event where Amelia Lester will host a conversation with Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright about 10 years of podcasting success on Mamamia Out Loud.&nbsp;</a>
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mel-robbins">Mel Robbins Knows Exactly What's Wrong with You</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-white-lotus-season-3-episode-3-and-4/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The White Lotus &mdash; 5 Theories &amp; A Dong Watch</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/using-ai-in-everyday-life">The New Things People Are Saying During Sex</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/marty-sheargold-matildas/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Royals' Group Chat &amp; Mia's BTS Secrets From Award Season</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/severance-season-2/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The (No Spoiler) Severance Conversation We&rsquo;ve Been Waiting To Have</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/with-love-meghan-season-2-announcement">A Meghan Pivot No One Expected &amp; The Ugly SNARF Phone Trap</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/swedish-death-cleaning-clutter">The Fight You Need To Have With Your Parents</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/severance-season-2/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The (No Spoiler) Severance Conversation We&rsquo;ve Been Waiting To Have</a></li>
<li>Listen to No Filter:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/anthony-albanese-prime-minister-election">Anthony Albanese, Prime Minister: The Interview</a></li>
<li>Listen to No Filter: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/peter-dutton-opposition-leader">Peter Dutton, Opposition Leader: The Interview</a></li>
<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts&nbsp;</a></li>
</ul>
The End Bits:&nbsp;
Sign up to the&nbsp;<a href="https://mamamiaoutloud.substack.com/">Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter </a>for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.&nbsp;
What To Read:
<ul>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/hugh-van-cuylenburg-autistic-child-open-letter/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">An Open Letter to The Parents Of Autistic Children, From Hugh Van Cuylenburg</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/how-to-raise-neurodivergent-kids/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">'I am raising four neurodivergent kids. Then I saw myself in them.'</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/anthony-albanese-women-cost-of-living-election/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">We sat down with Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, these are 3 things he wants you to know.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/peter-dutton-women-voters-interview/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Peter Dutton says he's not who you think. This is his pitch to you.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jessica-mauboy-baby/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Jessica Mauboy just shared details of her 'rollercoaster' life as a new mum.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/what-is-hurry-sickness/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;amp;utm_campaign=mmol">What is Hurry Sickness?</a></li>
</ul>
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We&rsquo;re listening. Send us an email at <a href="mailto:outloud@mamamia.com.au">outloud@mamamia.com.au</a>
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Follow us on Instagram <a href="https://www.instagram.com/mamamiaoutloud/?hl=en">@mamamiaoutloud</a>
<ul></ul>
CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens &amp; Mia Freedman&nbsp;
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Audio Producer: Leah Porges&nbsp;
Video Producer: Josh Green&nbsp;
Junior Content Producers: Coco Lavigne &amp; Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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The Response To Hugh Van Cuylenburg's Open Letter

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