Somewhere on Lily Allen’s tour schedule, between soundcheck and emails, was “test butt plug”. Holly unpacks the new merch and asks whether celebrity sex toys are still smart business, or just the new perfume.

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Also, the questions to ask your friends if you actually want to know them better, and why one of them is a slippery slope.

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Listen: "Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"
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Listen: Special Episode: Perimenopause, Out Loud
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Nobody Wants This season 2 fixes what season one got wrong.
When being too nice is actually holding you back.
Judith Lucy wrote a book about wellness. Then life handed her a cruel twist.
'Some of my friendships were already dead. I just hadn't said it out loud.'

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Somewhere on Lily Allen&rsquo;s tour schedule, between soundcheck and emails, was &ldquo;test butt plug&rdquo;. Holly unpacks the new merch and asks whether celebrity sex toys are still smart business, or just the new perfume. Plus, Jessie makes the case against being nice. Is keeping the peace quietly wrecking our relationships? Also, the questions to ask your friends if you actually want to know them better, and why one of them is a slippery slope. And of course our weekly reccos, including a podcast interview with a bombshell that had one of us gasping on the train, and Em&rsquo;s defence of a movie nobody likes at all.
We&rsquo;re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We&rsquo;re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at<a href="http://apple.co/creatorsweloveau."> apple.co/creatorsweloveau.</a>
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Em recommends <a href="google.com/search?q=nobody+wants+this+season+3&amp;oq=nobody+wants+this+season+3&amp;gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIQCAEQLhivARjHARiABBiOBTIKCAIQABixAxiABDIKCAMQLhixAxiABDIGCAQQABgDMg0IBRAAGIMBGLEDGIAEMhkIBhAuGK8BGMcBGLEDGIAEGIoFGI4FGI0GMhAIBxAuGLEDGIAEGIoFGI0GMgoICBAAGLEDGIAEMgoICRAAGLEDGIAE0gEIMjI0MGowajeoAgCwAgA&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;source=chrome.ob&amp;ie=UTF-8">Nobody Wants This</a> season 3 AND has a defence of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=job8V254NAE">Digger</a>
Jessie recommends <a href="https://www.dymocks.com.au/fruit-fly-by-josh-silver-9781836432395">Fruit Fly</a> by Josh Silver&nbsp;&nbsp;
Holly recommends the <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/judith-lucy-wrote-the-book-on-wellness-then-she-got-cancer/">No Filter episode with Judith Lucy.</a>
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Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au/"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to No Filter: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/no-filter/judith-lucy-wrote-the-book-on-wellness-then-she-got-cancer/">Judith Lucy Wrote the Book on Wellness. Then She Got Cancer</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/elon-musk-new-documentary?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Elon Musk &amp; The 4 Hour Documentary We Can&rsquo;t Watch</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/helen-haines-mp-attack/">What The Attack On Helen Haines Has Shown Us &amp; The Russell Brand Strategy</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/divorce-faqs/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">"Major Life Update. We're Getting Divorced. Any Questions?"</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/andy-lee-rebecca-harding-wedding/">Andy Lee &amp; Bec Harding&rsquo;s Royal Wedding &amp; &ldquo;Can I Crash On Your Couch?&rdquo;</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/perimeopause-special-episode/">Special Episode: Perimenopause, Out Loud</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/how-to-be-rude-in-2026/">The New Ways To Be Rude &amp; &ldquo;How Much Do You Earn?&rdquo;</a></li>
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What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/nobody-wants-this-season-2-review/">Nobody Wants This season 2 fixes what season one got wrong.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/can-you-ever-be-too-nice/">When being too nice is actually holding you back.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/judith-lucy-no-filter/">Judith Lucy wrote a book about wellness. Then life handed her a cruel twist.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/midlife-friendship-reckoning/">'Some of my friendships were already dead. I just hadn't said it out loud.'</a></li>
</ul>
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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The Case Against Being Nice

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