Old friends. After a spotlight was cast upon the female friendship dynamic in The White Lotus Season 3, we have some thoughts. Are old friendships toxic, or are their sometimes fraught, no BS nature the very thing that makes them the most valuable? 

Plus, what makes a politician? When Peter Dutton received troubling news minutes before the first Australian Leaders debate, a subsequent discussion emerged. When does a personal crisis trump the requirements of a role and exactly what does it take to be a leader? 

Finally, astroturfing. No, this doesn't relate to Holly's garden but the manufacturing of public smear campaigns against celebrities, disguised as organic content. Holly, Jessie and friend of the pod Amelia Lester discuss the internet's latest celebrity victim – and what's behind her takedown. 

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Listen: The White Lotus Recap – The Kiss & An Astonishing Scene
Listen: The White Lotus — 5 Theories & A Dong Watch
Listen: Ugly Female Friendships & A New Red Carpet Theory
Listen: We're Desperate To Talk About 'The White Lotus' Season 3
Listen: We’re In Act 2 Of Lively v. Baldoni And We Hate It Here
Listen: Emergency Meeting: The Blake Lively Smear Campaign Unpacked
Listen to the Spill for an exclusive interview with Leslie Bibb and Natasha Rothwell: We Met The Stars Of TV’s Biggest Show And Here’s Our Honest Recap
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Read: Are you tired of the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively drama? That's the point.
Read: The White Lotus told us from the start why season three had to end in tragedy.
Read: The one piece of information The White Lotus cast needs you to know before the finale.
Read: Fake scripts and unhinged theories: Everything you need to know before The White Lotus finale.
Read: The White Lotus just nailed the ugly friendship dynamic we all recognise.
Read: From Koh Samui to Phuket: All of The White Lotus Season 3 filming locations.

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Old friends. After a spotlight was cast upon the female friendship dynamic in The White Lotus Season 3, we have some thoughts. Are old friendships toxic, or are their sometimes fraught, no BS nature the very thing that makes them the most valuable?&nbsp;
Plus, what makes a politician? When Peter Dutton received troubling news minutes before the first Australian Leaders debate, a subsequent discussion emerged. When does a personal crisis trump the requirements of a role and exactly what does it take to be a leader?&nbsp;
Finally, astroturfing. No, this doesn't relate to Holly's garden but the manufacturing of public smear campaigns against celebrities, disguised as organic content. Holly, Jessie and friend of the pod Amelia Lester discuss the internet's latest celebrity victim &ndash; and what's behind her takedown.&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to the latest ep:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-white-lotus-season-3-finale/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">"We're Not OK" - The White Lotus Season 3 Finale</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/robert-irwin-photoshoot/">The Robert Irwin Undies Theory, Tariffs &amp; 7 Point Dressing</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/conservative-womens-magazine-evie/">Sex Tips (For Married Women Only)</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-white-lotus-season-3-episode-6-and-7-recap/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The White Lotus Eps 6 &amp; 7 &ndash; Petty Points &amp; New Theories</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-white-lotus-season-3-episode-5-recap/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The White Lotus Recap &ndash; The Kiss &amp; An Astonishing Scene</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-white-lotus-season-3-episode-3-and-4/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The White Lotus &mdash; 5 Theories &amp; A Dong Watch</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-white-lotus-season-3-friendship-trio/">Ugly Female Friendships &amp; A New Red Carpet Theory</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-white-lotus-season-3-ep1-ep2/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">We're Desperate To Talk About 'The White Lotus' Season 3</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/justin-baldoni-blake-lively/">We&rsquo;re In Act 2 Of Lively v. Baldoni And We Hate It Here</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/blake-lively/">Emergency Meeting: The Blake Lively Smear Campaign Unpacked</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-true-story-of-a-liar-belle-gibson-apple-cider"></a></li>
<li>Listen to the Spill for an exclusive interview with Leslie Bibb and Natasha Rothwell:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/the-spill/we-met-the-stars-of-tv-s-biggest-show-and-here-s-our-honest-recap">We Met The Stars Of TV&rsquo;s Biggest Show And Here&rsquo;s Our Honest Recap</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Read:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/the-white-lotus-season-3-ending/">The White Lotus told us from the start why season three had to end in tragedy.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/the-white-lotus-interviews/">The one piece of information The White Lotus cast needs you to know before the finale.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/the-white-lotus-season-3-theories/">Fake scripts and unhinged theories: Everything you need to know before The White Lotus finale.</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Read:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/white-lotus-filming-locations/"> From Koh Samui to Phuket: All of The White Lotus Season 3 filming locations.</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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The "Ick" Of Old Friends & The Most Hated Woman On The Internet

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