Yesterday, you may have felt a shift in the air around 2:12pm. The squealing. The frantic maths. Whispers of 'TS12', New Heights, showgirls - that's certainly what it was like in the Mamamia office. Taylor Swift has officially re-emerged, and Jessie has a theory about the new album announcement that left the entire Out Loud team absolutely speechless.

Plus, we can't agree on a viral tennis match moment. Who decides what public spaces children are allowed to be in? We unpack what happens when society becomes less and less tolerant of children. 

And, Jessie has some feedback about a type of music dubbed 'the millennials genre'. Don't worry, we explain what it all means and why some of us... are mildly offended. 

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Yesterday, you may have felt a shift in the air around 2:12pm. The squealing. The frantic maths. Whispers of 'TS12', New Heights, showgirls - that's certainly what it was like in the Mamamia office. Taylor Swift has officially re-emerged, and Jessie has a theory about the new album announcement that left the entire Out Loud team absolutely speechless.
Plus, we can't agree on a viral tennis match moment. Who decides what public spaces children are allowed to be in? We unpack what happens when society becomes less and less tolerant of children.&nbsp;
And, Jessie has some feedback about a type of music dubbed 'the millennials genre'. Don't worry, we explain what it all means and why some of us... are mildly offended.&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/ai-model-mia-zelu">The Influencer Who Tricked Us &amp; Is There Such Thing As A Genius?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/long-term-relationship-breakup-dilemma/">Love, Loss &amp; Starting Over: The Breakup Dilemmas</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/beckham-yacht-drama">"Have More Babies" &amp; A Microdrama On The Beckham Yacht</a></li>
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<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/australian-open-2025-grand-finals/">The glaring difference between the men's and women's tennis finals.</a></li>
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<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/nostalgic-movie-sequels-coming/">We are officially living in the nostalgia era, and millennials are to blame.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/millennials-cutting-off-their-parents/">'It's not selfish or a trend': Why millennials are cutting off their parents.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-emma-grede/">The secret to Meghan Markle lies in exactly two things.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-netflix-show-gossip/">Meghan's jam isn't actually... jam? And every moment you missed in With Love, Meghan.</a></li>
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Taylor Swift & Why Her Boyfriend's Podcast

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