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Sometimes you just need an impromptu therapy session with absolutely no professionals present. From the adult who calls their parents by their first names to the person who orders a salad at a pub, Clare, Amelia and Em are unpacking the exact types of people we just don&rsquo;t trust.
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Australia&rsquo;s fertility rate has sunk to a record low, but researchers swear they&rsquo;ve found the one simple trick to get women to have more babies. It does involve your home office&rsquo;s proximity to the bedroom, but not quite in the way you might think.
Plus, how are powerful women like Victorian Premier Jacinta Allan still being target with 300 year old Salem tropes like &lsquo;Ditch The Witch&rsquo;? Julia Gillard, like us, has thoughts.
Also, Madonna just dropped a star-studded 10-minute musical short film called Confessions II.&nbsp; We&rsquo;re breaking down every single celebrity cameo you might have missed.
And, we explain the reason why Taylor Swift, Timoth&eacute;e Chalamet and Ben Stiller are in orange and blue all over your social media feed.
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<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/spoiled-pig-syndrome-lena-dunham/">Spoiled Pig Syndrome &amp; Our List Of Things That Are Just Not Working</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/boy-mom-controversy-jenny-mollen/"> The Boy &lsquo;Mom&rsquo; Trap &amp; Actually, We&rsquo;ve Met</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/dua-lipa-wedding/">Don&rsquo;t Go To Uni, Baby Doll Dresses &amp; The World&rsquo;s Coolest Wedding Hat</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/declining-birth-rate/">The real reason less of us are having babies in 2025.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/the-quicky-news-headlines-09-06-2026/">Your 5-minute news explainer to get you up to date on June 9, 2026.</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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