If we could give Jennifer Lopez one tip: not every ex needs a friendship arc. Looking at you, Ben Affleck. Some things — like red carpets and rekindled flings — are better left in the early 2000s. On today's show, Holly braces herself for this scurrilous JLo gossip. Take cover, friends.

Plus, a plot twist in the Taylor Swift PR machine no one saw coming. Jessie’s been deep in internet sleuth mode and she’s ready to explain why the Swiftie outrage might actually be legit.

And finally: WTF is klarnamaxxing? If you live by 'buy now, pay later', you need to hear Amelia deep dive into this.

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Listen to our latest episode: Taylor Swift Debrief: A Surprising Diss Track, Travis’ Wood & The Hot Takes
Listen: LITTLE TREAT: Holly & Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book
Listen: Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore
Listen: Decoding The Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban Divorce Narrative
Listen: Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson & The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents
Listen: Victoria Beckham’s Version & Jessie’s Very Big News
Listen: “Tough It Out”. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected

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With two words, Jennifer Lopez just summed up what went wrong with Ben Affleck.
Jennifer Lopez's first Instagram after splitting from Ben Affleck says everything.
Nicole Kidman’s new breakup bangs are telling a much bigger story.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The details that make Nicole and Keith's split kind of about us.
The moment the tide turned for Jennifer Lopez.
The Life of a Showgirl leaves no doubt there will never be another Taylor Swift.
All the Life Of A Showgirl Easter Eggs in one place.
A brutally honest review of Taylor Swift's new movie.

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If we could give Jennifer Lopez one tip: not every ex needs a friendship arc. Looking at you, Ben Affleck. Some things &mdash; like red carpets and rekindled flings &mdash; are better left in the early 2000s. On today's show, Holly braces herself for this scurrilous JLo gossip. Take cover, friends.
Plus, a plot twist in the Taylor Swift PR machine no one saw coming. Jessie&rsquo;s been deep in internet sleuth mode and she&rsquo;s ready to explain why the Swiftie outrage might actually be legit.
And finally: WTF is klarnamaxxing? If you live by 'buy now, pay later', you need to hear Amelia deep dive into this.
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/taylor-swift-the-life-of-a-showgirl-debrief/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Taylor Swift Debrief: A Surprising Diss Track, Travis&rsquo; Wood &amp; The Hot Takes</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/holly-wainwright-jessie-stephens-writing-a-book-secrets">LITTLE TREAT: Holly &amp; Jessie Spill The Tea On Writing A Book</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/crazy-places-to-have-sex">Why No One's Having Sex In Bed Anymore</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/nicole-kidman-keith-urban-divorce">Decoding The Nicole Kidman &amp; Keith Urban Divorce Narrative</a></li>
<li>Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/selena-gomez-wedding">Vanessa Amorosi, Emma Watson &amp; The Problem When Kids Earn More Than Their Parents</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/celebrity-documentary-victoria-beckham">Victoria Beckham&rsquo;s Version &amp; Jessie&rsquo;s Very Big News</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/medical-experts-dismiss-trump-paracetamol-claims-pregnancy">&ldquo;Tough It Out&rdquo;. The Announcement That Upset Us More Than We Expected</a></li>
</ul>
Discover more&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/">Mamamia Podcasts here </a>including the very latest episode of <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/">Parenting Out Loud</a>, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
Watch Mamamia Out Loud:
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@mamamiaoutloud">Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube</a>
What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jennifer-lopez-ben-affleck-unstoppable-press-tour/">With two words, Jennifer Lopez just summed up what went wrong with Ben Affleck.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jennifer-lopez-divorce-instagram/">Jennifer Lopez's first Instagram after splitting from Ben Affleck says everything.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/nicole-kidman-post-breakup-hair/">Nicole Kidman&rsquo;s new breakup bangs are telling a much bigger story.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/nicole-kidman-genx-divorce/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The details that make Nicole and Keith's split kind of about us.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jennifer-lopez-2024/">The moment the tide turned for Jennifer Lopez.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/taylor-swift-the-life-of-a-showgirl-review/">The Life of a Showgirl leaves no doubt there will never be another Taylor Swift.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/life-of-a-showgirl-easter-eggs/">All the Life Of A Showgirl Easter Eggs in one place.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/taylor-swift-movie-reveiw/">A brutally honest review of Taylor Swift's new movie.</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/taylor-swift-charli-xcx-feud-explained/"></a></li>
</ul>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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