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There are two kinds of people: those obsessed with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy (CBK) and those who just don’t get it. Mia Freeman and Amelia Lester are firmly in the first camp.

From Calvin Klein salesgirl to the most scrutinised woman in New York, Carolyn became a 90s' style legend — without ever giving an interview. Her marriage to John F. Kennedy Jr. turned her into paparazzi prey, her minimal wardrobe into a fashion blueprint, and her silence into an industry of speculation.

On today's subs episode, Mia and Amelia dive into Love Story: John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette, the long-awaited dramatisation that had CBK obsessives in meltdown over wigs, hemlines and handbags.

The show is a love story, but it’s also a slow-motion warning about paparazzi culture, pre-social media fame, and a woman who saw celebrity as a liability.

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Outlouders, enjoy this free bite of Mia Freedman and Amelia Lester. Catch the full conversation &mdash; Mia &amp; Amelia On CBK: The Clothes, The Curse, The Love Story &mdash;&nbsp;at 5 pm TODAY. Not a subscriber yet? <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=instagram&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=feed">That can all change here.</a>
There are two kinds of people: those obsessed with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy (CBK) and those who just don&rsquo;t get it. Mia Freeman and Amelia Lester are firmly in the first camp.
From Calvin Klein salesgirl to the most scrutinised woman in New York, Carolyn became a 90s' style legend &mdash; without ever giving an interview. Her marriage to John F. Kennedy Jr. turned her into paparazzi prey, her minimal wardrobe into a fashion blueprint, and her silence into an industry of speculation.
On today's subs episode,&nbsp;Mia and Amelia dive into Love Story: John F. Kennedy Jr. and Carolyn Bessette, the long-awaited dramatisation that had CBK obsessives in meltdown over wigs, hemlines and handbags.
The show is a love story, but it&rsquo;s also a slow-motion warning about paparazzi culture, pre-social media fame, and a woman who saw celebrity as a liability. Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=instagram&amp;utm_medium=social&amp;utm_campaign=mmol&amp;utm_content=feed">subscribers </a>at 5pm.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/andrew-arrest-prince-william/">Prince William Has Entered The Chat</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/anna-wintour-chloe-malle-vogue/">The New Dating Rule That Blew Up A Comments Section</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/former-prince-andrew-arrested-emergency-meeting/">'Prince' Andrew's Arrest Is Not What You Think It Is</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-angelina-jolie-netflix-couture/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"> Angelina Jolie &amp; The Existential Threat Of Desirable Older Women</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mafs-sexual-chemistry/">MAFS &amp; The Specific Cruelty of the &lsquo;Sexual Chemistry&rsquo; Question</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/margot-robbie-jacob-elordi-wuthering-heights-review/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">All The Gossip From The Wuthering Heights Premiere (And Why Mia Walked Out)</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/finger-princess-wuthering-heights/">"Uh-Oh, I'm A Finger Princess"</a></li>
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What to read:&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/love-story-john-f-kennedy-carolyn-bessette-review/">This new series tackles the complicated legacy of the '90s hottest couple.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/carolyn-bessette-kennedy/">Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy became one of the most famous women in the world. She hated it.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jfk-jr-death/">An aircraft that never landed: Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy, JFK Jr and the Kennedy Curse.</a></li>
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FREE SUBS TASTER: Mia & Amelia On CBK: The Clothes, The Curse, The Love Story

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