Taylor and Travis. Beyoncé and Jay-Z. Katherine Ryan has noticed a pattern and it all comes down to who was born first. Holly Wainwright unpacks the theory that eldest daughters keep ending up with youngest sons and Jessie Stephens has a confession about the charming men she used to date.

Plus, a woman named Kim House charges $85 an hour to run other people’s homes like corporations. Jessie asks whether what we all actually need is a household manager. 

Also, Kim Kardashian’s SKIMS released a $276 advent calendar. It runs for 12 days and includes bobby pins twice. Em Vernem has many thoughts and none of them are positive.

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Taylor and Travis. Beyonc&eacute; and Jay-Z. Katherine Ryan has noticed a pattern and it all comes down to who was born first. Holly Wainwright unpacks the theory that eldest daughters keep ending up with youngest sons and Jessie Stephens has a confession about the charming men she used to date.
Plus, a woman named Kim House charges $85 an hour to run other people&rsquo;s homes like corporations. Jessie asks whether what we all actually need is a household manager. Also, Kim Kardashian&rsquo;s SKIMS released a $276 advent calendar. It runs for 12 days and includes bobby pins twice. Em Vernem has many thoughts and none of them are positive. We&rsquo;re so excited to be selected for Apple Podcasts Creators We Love, which recognises people who are trailblazers and leaders in podcasting. We&rsquo;re featured alongside some other amazing Australian podcasters. You can check it out on Apple Podcasts or at<a href="http://apple.co/creatorsweloveau."> apple.co/creatorsweloveau.</a>
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Jessie recommends <a href="https://www.bigw.com.au/product/a-thousand-splendid-suns-by-khaled-hosseini/p/844583?store=101&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=cpc&amp;utm_id=21753682927&amp;utm_campaign=BIG+W+%7C+Play+%7C+PMax+%7C+Books&amp;utm_term=&amp;gclsrc=aw.ds&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gad_campaignid=21753684868&amp;gbraid=0AAAAADkZkLhcg_RTiJtIPEKEe72bW3u48&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQiAwdDXBhDuARIsAFdLukkEpaky8yAYvfvRa4dokc_e77NNuLR5_lQHzTTb3T6kJRGBlSCUmiUaAhs-EALw_wcB">A Thousand Splendid Suns by Khaled Hosseini</a>
Holly recommends <a href="https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81682935">Black Doves on Netflix</a>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/david-walliams-investigation-allegations/">David Walliams Is The 'Very Famous Man' &amp; Why We're All Mess-Washing</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/celebrity-traitors-uk-reality-tv/">The TV Show That Was Fun Until It Wasn&rsquo;t &amp; The New Bookshelf Rule</a></li>
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What to read:&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/oldest-daughter-syndrome/">Eldest Daughter Syndrome: The curse of being born first.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/eldest-daughter-caring-for-ageing-parents/">'Eldest daughters, you're about to enter the era of "peak death".'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/skims-advent-calendar-refund/">'Kimberly, you're about to piss me off.' Why everyone's talking about the SKIMS advent calendar.</a></li>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens &amp; Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Georgie Page
Executive Producer: Keeshia Pettit
Senior Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Video Producer: Matt Perry
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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So, That’s Where The Pubes Went & The Eldest Daughter Trap

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