It’s the season to blame Tyra. Netflix’s new America’s Next Top Model doco has us spiraling back to 2003. It shows us the size-zero era through a 2026 lens, when Tyra Banks was breaking barriers while also showcasing some of the show's seriously batshit behaviour —from models posing as murder victims to 'makeovers' that involved pulling teeth. Now we’re in the MAFS era Clare Stephens wants to know: is every generation’s reality TV show of choice just programmed to prompt outrage? 

Also, today is Jessie’s last day before she goes off on maternity leave. But not before a chaotic handover to her twin, Clare. As Clare prepares to take the seat, she’s re-learning the 'rules' of being an Out Loud host. 

In other business, does your personality need a mini-makeover of its own? We’re talking 'micro-reinvention' — not big deals like quitting your job; more small shifts like adopting a signature condiment or finally becoming a 'Pilates person'. Holly, for instance, is wearing brown. Big deal. Huge. 

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Jessie recommends L’Occitane Osmanthus Abricot shower gel or DedCool Taunt Hand and Body Wash for the ultimate vibe shift.

Holly recommends Eric Dane: Famous Last Words on Netflix—a raw interview with a man who has nothing left to lose.

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'I was raised on America's Next Top Model. The new Netflix documentary is deeply disturbing.'
Shandi was part of the biggest cheating scandal on ANTM. The truth was far worse than what we saw.
Amanda Ware won Australia's Next Top Model after TV's most awkward mix-up. This is her life now.
JESSIE STEPHENS: On being pregnant with twins. As a twin. With twin brothers.

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It&rsquo;s the season to blame Tyra. Netflix&rsquo;s new America&rsquo;s Next Top Model doco has us spiraling back to 2003. It shows us the size-zero era through a 2026 lens, when Tyra Banks was breaking barriers while also showcasing some of the show's seriously batshit behaviour &mdash;from models posing as murder victims to 'makeovers' that involved pulling teeth. Now we&rsquo;re in the MAFS era Clare Stephens wants to know: is every generation&rsquo;s reality TV show of choice just programmed to prompt outrage?&nbsp;
Also, today is Jessie&rsquo;s last day before she goes off on maternity leave. But not before a chaotic handover to her twin, Clare. As Clare prepares to take the seat, she&rsquo;s re-learning the 'rules' of being an Out Loud host.&nbsp;
In other business, does your personality need a mini-makeover of its own? We&rsquo;re talking 'micro-reinvention' &mdash; not big deals like quitting your job; more small shifts like adopting a signature condiment or finally becoming a 'Pilates person'. Holly, for instance, is wearing brown. Big deal. Huge.&nbsp;
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Recommendations
Clare recommends the <a href="https://fave.co/4tYtfWa">"Brick"</a>&mdash;a physical device that locks you out of your apps to fight phone addiction.
Jessie recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4aNBhK9">L&rsquo;Occitane Osmanthus Abricot shower gel</a> or DedCool Taunt Hand and Body Wash for the ultimate vibe shift.
Holly recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4qXIdJm">Eric Dane: Famous Last Words on Netflix</a>&mdash;a raw interview with a man who has nothing left to lose.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mafs-manosphere-groom-tyson">"I'm A Working Mum &amp; I Just Want To Quit"</a></li>
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<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/americas-next-top-model-netflix-documentary-review/">'I was raised on America's Next Top Model. The new Netflix documentary is deeply disturbing.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/americas-next-top-model-shandi-cheating-scandal/">Shandi was part of the biggest cheating scandal on ANTM. The truth was far worse than what we saw.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/amanda-ware-where-is-she-now/">Amanda Ware won Australia's Next Top Model after TV's most awkward mix-up. This is her life now.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jessie-stephens-pregnant-with-twins/">JESSIE STEPHENS: On being pregnant with twins. As a twin. With twin brothers.</a></li>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Clare Stephens, Jessie Stephens &amp; Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover

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