Michelle Obama has spoken—and she’s not here to please everyone. The former First Lady revealed what it really took to skip Donald Trump’s inauguration, and why sometimes, disappointing people is exactly the right move. Mia, Jessie and Holly explore Michelle's decision and the role of women as 'shock absorbers'. 

Also, can kids read minds? The hit podcast The Telepathy Tapes thinks so. But the science behind it is looking more complicated. We discuss.

Plus, Meghan Markle has shared a surprising part of her bedtime routine—except it’s not for her, won’t be used for years (if ever), and contains a whole lot of admin. 

And Gwyneth Paltrow is back in the headlines with a twist no one saw coming: she’s eating carbs again. But do we really need to know every time a celebrity changes their lunch order? Yep, our hosts have thoughts on this...

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Listen: An Honest Day On Our Plate
Listen: We're Fighting About Being Ugly
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Listen: Sex Toys, Borrowing Money & A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas
Listen: The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much & Liz Hurley's Hard Launch
Listen: Katy Perry, Gayle King & THAT Blue Origin Space Flight
Listen: Clare Stephens - We Have Questions

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Read: Meghan Markle writes a letter every night. They won't be opened for years.
Read: 'For Meghan Markle's show to succeed, she needs to go full Gwyneth Paltrow.'
Read: ‘A debate is raging over Gwyneth Paltrow’s "boyfriend breakfast" and this time I'm on her side.’
Read: Exactly why the internet is convinced the Obamas are divorcing.
Read: For a brief moment, the internet was convinced Barack Obama and Jennifer Aniston were having an affair.
Read: All of Holly Wainwright's books in one place.

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Michelle Obama has spoken&mdash;and she&rsquo;s not here to please everyone. The former First Lady revealed what it really took to skip Donald Trump&rsquo;s inauguration, and why sometimes, disappointing people is exactly the right move. Mia, Jessie and Holly explore Michelle's decision and the role of women as 'shock absorbers'.&nbsp;
Also, can kids read minds? The hit podcast The Telepathy Tapes thinks so. But the science behind it is looking more complicated. We discuss.
Plus, Meghan Markle has shared a surprising part of her bedtime routine&mdash;except it&rsquo;s not for her, won&rsquo;t be used for years (if ever), and contains a whole lot of admin.&nbsp;
And Gwyneth Paltrow is back in the headlines with a twist no one saw coming: she&rsquo;s eating carbs again. But do we really need to know every time a celebrity changes their lunch order? Yep, our hosts have thoughts on this...
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kennedy-women">Caroline Bessette-Kennedy: The Original Influencer</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/a-day-on-my-plate-tiktok/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">An Honest Day On Our Plate</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/were-fighting-about-being-ugly">We're Fighting About Being Ugly</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/how-to-be-a-supercommunicator">What Supercommunicators Know That We Don't</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/loaning-friends-money/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Sex Toys, Borrowing Money &amp; A Dad's Group Chat Faux Pas</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-influencer-whos-changed-too-much-liz-hurleys-hard-launch">The Influencer Who's Changed Too Much &amp; Liz Hurley's Hard Launch</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/blue-origin-all-female-space-flight-katy-perry-gayle-king/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Katy Perry, Gayle King &amp; THAT Blue Origin Space Flight</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/clare-stephens/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Clare Stephens - We Have Questions</a></li>
</ul>
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What to read:
<ul>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-kids-letters/">Meghan Markle writes a letter every night. They won't be opened for years.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-tv-show-relatable-opinion/">'For Meghan Markle's show to succeed, she needs to go full Gwyneth Paltrow.'</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/who-is-kick-kennedy/"></a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/gwyneth-paltrow-boyfriend-breakfast/">&lsquo;A debate is raging over Gwyneth Paltrow&rsquo;s "boyfriend breakfast" and this time I'm on her side.&rsquo;</a></li>
<li>Read:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/obama-divorce-rumours/">Exactly why the internet is convinced the Obamas are divorcing.</a></li>
<li>Read:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/barack-obama-jennifer-aniston/">For a brief moment, the internet was convinced Barack Obama and Jennifer Aniston were having an affair.</a></li>
<li>Read:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/books-by-holly-wainwright/">All of Holly Wainwright's books in one place.</a></li>
</ul>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation—with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation&mdash;with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem.&nbsp;It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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