There's a standout star on Duchess Meghan’s latest long-form interview, but surprise... it's not Megs. Enter one Emma Grede: Skims co-founder, Shark Tank guest judge, and the new archetype of the modern girl boss. While Meghan’s business advice is a little on the fluffy side, Emma’s empire—from shapewear to podcasts to philanthropic pledges—has Mia exhausted.  

Meanwhile, Holly is bringing Etsy witches back with a dark update. What happens when your Etsy witch dies mid-spell? It happened and the buyer of this magical intervention isn't happy. 

Plus, someone returns from therapy with two anxiety hacks that might just change your life... or at least put your performance anxiety on hiatus for a while. 

And the debate about a debate: Why are South Australian high schools debating the legitimacy of 'Tradwives'? Jessie's extensive debate career (ages 13-16), has prepared her for this moment.  

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Tradwives, 'femcels' and dating strategists: Meet the women rejecting feminism.
Meghan Markle's new era screams 'tradwife'. The truth is very different.
The A-list actress who called out Meghan Markle has quietly deleted the evidence.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'How you feel about Meghan's new "shop" tells me one thing about you.'
Meghan Markle writes a letter every night. They won't be opened for years.
After visiting Ballerina Farm, Megan knows what we don't understand about Hannah Neeleman.

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There's a standout star on Duchess Meghan&rsquo;s latest long-form interview, but surprise... it's not Megs. Enter one Emma Grede: Skims co-founder,&nbsp;Shark Tank guest judge, and the new archetype of the modern girl boss. While Meghan&rsquo;s business advice is a little on the fluffy side, Emma&rsquo;s empire&mdash;from shapewear to podcasts to philanthropic pledges&mdash;has Mia exhausted.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Meanwhile, Holly is bringing Etsy witches back with a dark update. What happens when your Etsy witch dies mid-spell? It happened and the buyer of this magical intervention isn't happy.&nbsp;
Plus, someone returns from therapy with two anxiety hacks that might just change your life... or at least put your performance anxiety on hiatus for a while.&nbsp;
And the debate about a debate: Why are South Australian high schools debating the legitimacy of 'Tradwives'? Jessie's extensive debate career (ages 13-16), has prepared her for this moment.&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/tarot-astrology/">Tampons, Tarot &amp; The Rise Of Magical Thinking</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/emma-grede-podcast/">Emma Grede cold-called Kris Jenner with an idea. Now she's worth $600 million.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/who-are-emma-and-jens-grede/">Meet the real brains behind the success of every big Kardashian business.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/femosphere/">Tradwives, 'femcels' and dating strategists: Meet the women rejecting feminism.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-rebrand/">Meghan Markle's new era screams 'tradwife'. The truth is very different.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/brooke-shields-meghan-markle/">The A-list actress who called out Meghan Markle has quietly deleted the evidence.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-online-shop/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'How you feel about Meghan's new "shop" tells me one thing about you.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/meghan-markle-kids-letters/">Meghan Markle writes a letter every night. They won't be opened for years.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/megan-agnew-hannah-neeleman/">After visiting Ballerina Farm, Megan knows what we don't understand about Hannah Neeleman.</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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Meghan Sussex, Emma Grede & The Rebrand of 'Hustle'

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