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And because we clearly haven't done enough critical thinking, we’re wading into the chaos of Married At First Sight. Jessie, of course, is an expert in the field, and she’s bringing several philosophical questions from the new season, starting with: Can you ever come back from a sexual chemistry deficit? 

In other business, apparently, humans "fall off a cliff" at age 44, which is sending Amelia Lester into a spiral. Happily, there’s a pick-me-up coming: Hollywood A-listers are signalling that side-parts are back. What’s next? Skinny jeans and ballet flats? Oh.

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If Barack Obama says there are aliens, then there are aliens. While the former President is busy clarifying that he didn't actually see any ETs in the Oval Office, Jessie Stephens has a theory: Is men&rsquo;s obsession with outer space just a symptom of not having enough mental load?
Plus, the political "pub test" is officially dead, and the "algorithm test" has moved in and made itself comfortable. We&rsquo;re looking at why the Internet is both the world&rsquo;s best fact-checker and its most dangerous bias-confirmer. And Holly Wainwright is asking, what IS the actual pub test in 2026?&nbsp;
And because we clearly haven't done enough critical thinking, we&rsquo;re wading into the chaos of Married At First Sight. Jessie, of course, is an expert in the field, and she&rsquo;s bringing several philosophical questions from the new season, starting with: Can you ever come back from a sexual chemistry deficit?&nbsp;
In other business, apparently, humans "fall off a cliff" at age 44, which is sending Amelia Lester into a spiral. Happily, there&rsquo;s a pick-me-up coming: Hollywood A-listers are signalling that side-parts are back. What&rsquo;s next? Skinny jeans and ballet flats? Oh.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/margot-robbie-jacob-elordi-wuthering-heights-controversy/">Wuthering Heights &amp; the &lsquo;Bad Man&rsquo; Controversy</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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MAFS & The Specific Cruelty of the ‘Sexual Chemistry’ Question

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