Hugh Jackman and Deborra-Lee Furness — their divorce has been simmering for years. So why the sudden searing statement and drip-feeding leaks to the press? Mia, Holly and Jessie decode the sneaky whispers and what they might really mean.

Meanwhile, two Aussie states have flipped the script on ADHD diagnosis and treatment. It's a massive shake-up — and it could change millions of lives.

Plus, a shove to the face — yes, an actual one — might be more than just a viral moment. We're breaking down the real story behind the Emmanuel Macron's French presidential push.

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Hugh Jackman and Deborra-Lee Furness &mdash; their divorce has been simmering for years. So why the sudden searing statement and drip-feeding leaks to the press? Mia, Holly and Jessie decode the sneaky whispers and what they might really mean.
Meanwhile, two Aussie states have flipped the script on ADHD diagnosis and treatment. It's a massive shake-up &mdash; and it could change millions of lives.
Plus, a shove to the face &mdash; yes, an actual one &mdash; might be more than just a viral moment. We're breaking down the real story behind the Emmanuel Macron's French presidential push.
And if you're wondering what a textbook hard relaunch looks like, look no further than&nbsp; J.Lo at the AMAs. It's a vibe and we're here for it.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kris-jenner-messy-car/">Kris Jenner Thinks You're a Grub</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/tom-cruise-nicole-kidman">What We've All Forgotten About Tom Cruise</a></li>
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<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/adhd-diagnosis-grief/">'I was diagnosed with ADHD at 30. Here's what no one tells you about the grief.'</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/how-to-raise-neurodivergent-kids/">'I have two sons with autism and one with ADHD. I can now see all of the signs.'</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/jennifer-lopez-2024/">The moment the tide turned for Jennifer Lopez.</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/amas-2025-red-carpet/">Every single look from this year's AMAs red carpet.</a></li>
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Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation—with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation&mdash;with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem.&nbsp;It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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The French First Lady Shove, A Divorce Statement & Some ADHD News 

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