Are celebrities oversharing about their splits? Nicole Kidman's keeping it classic - sending us subliminal messages through clothes (see: revenge dress). Lily Allen is being extremely 2025 by putting her Notes-app confessions to music. But why are we being kept so clearly in the loop of some very private business? Welcome to a slightly unhinged conspiracy theory about the strategic advantage of spilling divorce tea and yes, it involves real estate. 

Also, is cutting out friendships the ultimate life hack? Some of the trad wives certainly think so, saying they've given birth to and married the only friends they need.  

And there are some Australian workplaces having some particularly awkward meetings today - the schools that set the wrong subject for the HSC exam, and... the BOM. What colour is drizzle, anyway?

Plus, some scurrilous gossip about a chaotic new couple. 

On today's show, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright and Amelia Lester unpack it all. 

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Lily Allen was alone in a London hotel room when David Harbour called. Nothing would be the same.
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Are celebrities oversharing about their splits? Nicole Kidman's keeping it classic - sending us subliminal messages through clothes (see: revenge dress). Lily Allen is being extremely 2025 by putting her Notes-app confessions to music. But why are we being kept so clearly in the loop of some very private business? Welcome to a slightly unhinged conspiracy theory about the strategic advantage of spilling divorce tea and yes, it involves real estate.&nbsp;
Also, is cutting out friendships the ultimate life hack? Some of the trad wives certainly think so, saying they've given birth to and married the only friends they need.&nbsp;&nbsp;
And there are some Australian workplaces having some particularly awkward meetings today - the schools that set the wrong subject for the HSC exam, and... the BOM. What colour is drizzle, anyway?
Plus, some scurrilous gossip about a chaotic new couple.&nbsp;
On today's show, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright and Amelia Lester unpack it all.&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/things-i-refuse-to-spend-money-on/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Everything We Refuse To Spend Money On</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kristen-bell-nobody-wants-this">An Unevenly Open Marriage &amp; &lsquo;Likeable&rsquo; Kristen Bell</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/kim-kardashian-fashion-mask">A 'Furious' King &amp; The Rise Of The Barbie Waist</a></li>
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/david-harbour-lily-allen/">Lily Allen was alone in a London hotel room when David Harbour called. Nothing would be the same.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/lily-allen-madeline/">The moment Lily Allen's new album dropped the hunt began for 'Madeline'. She's now shared her story.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/nicole-kidman-post-breakup-hair/">Nicole Kidman&rsquo;s new breakup bangs are telling a much bigger story.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/nicole-kidman-genx-divorce/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The details that make Nicole and Keith's split kind of about us.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/princess-diana-revenge-dress/">"She wanted to look a million dollars." The story behind Princess Diana's revenge dress.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/ballerina-farm-controversy/">32 kilometres from home, Hannah Neeleman started the 'Ballerina Farm effect'. And locals hate it.</a></li>
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Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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A Dress, A House & A Celebrity Divorce Conspiracy

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