You’re about to hear two words everywhere in your world, and they are, apparently, the key to peace and dealing with difficult people. Bring. It. On. Yes, we’re talking about  the LET THEM theory.  

Plus, a different way to shop, a very twisty TV show and two new books Mia couldn’t put down. 

And, our Best & Worst of the Summer holidays which include a domestic goddess meltdown, being too close to tragedy and Mia… not working. 

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Listen to our latest episode: The Wicked Divorce In Superficial Detail
Listen: More Masculine Energy, Please
Listen: The Stories We’ve Been Busting To Unpack PART ONE
Listen: Meghan & The LA Fires Blame Game
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Recommendations: 

Mia wants you to read  Same As It Ever Was and The Most Fun We Ever Had by Claire Lombardo
Jessie wants you to check out Depop 

Holly wants you to watch Missing You on Netflix 

What To Read: 
Read: Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025.
Read: HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'Why I'm having a Year of "Nup".'

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman & Jessie Stephens 

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas

Audio Production: Leah Porges

Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

You&rsquo;re about to hear two words everywhere in your world, and they are, apparently, the key to peace and dealing with difficult people. Bring. It. On. Yes, we&rsquo;re talking about &nbsp;the LET THEM theory. &nbsp;
Plus, a different way to shop, a very twisty TV show and two new books Mia couldn&rsquo;t put down.&nbsp;
And, our Best &amp; Worst of the Summer holidays which include a domestic goddess meltdown, being too close to tragedy and Mia&hellip; not working.&nbsp;
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What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
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<li>Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/dr-lilly-jay-ethan-slater-divorce/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Wicked Divorce In Superficial Detail</a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/in-and-out-list-trends/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"></a><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/inappropriate-workplace-behaviour/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"></a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/mark-zuckerberg-masculine-energy">More Masculine Energy, Please</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/hugh-jackman-sutton-foster/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">The Stories We&rsquo;ve Been Busting To Unpack PART ONE</a></li>
<li>Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/los-angeles-wildfire-spencer-pratt-mandy-moore">Meghan &amp; The LA Fires Blame Game</a></li>
<li><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/au/channel/mamamia/id6442502456?ign-itscg=80085&amp;ign-itsct=pod_cha_mamam332_NA">Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts&nbsp;</a></li>
</ul>
The End Bits:&nbsp;
Sign up to the <a href="https://mamamiaoutloud.substack.com/">Mamamia Out Loud Newsletter </a>for all our recommendations and behind-the-scenes content in one place.&nbsp;
Recommendations:&nbsp;
Mia wants you to read &nbsp;<a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;xs=1&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com.au%2FSame-Ever-Was-Claire-Lombardo%2Fdp%2F1399608223">Same As It Ever Was</a> and <a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;xs=1&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com.au%2FMost-Fun-We-Ever-Had%2Fdp%2F0385544251">The Most Fun We Ever Had by Claire Lombardo</a> Jessie wants you to check out <a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;xs=1&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.depop.com%2F%3Futm_source%3DBrand%2520SEM%26utm_medium%3Dpaid%2520advertising%26utm_campaign%3DPAID_GG_AU_PRO_SEARCH_ALL_BRAND-CORE-DEFENCE%26utm_content%3Ddepop%26gad_source%3D1%26%25243p%3Da_google_adwords%26%2524always_deeplink%3Dfalse%26%2524canonical_url%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.depop.com%253Futm_source%253DBrand%252520SEM%2526utm_medium%253Dpaid%252520advertising%2526utm_campaign%253DPAID_GG_AU_PRO_SEARCH_ALL_BRAND-CORE-DEFENCE%2526utm_content%253Ddepop%2526gad_source%253D1%26~ad_set_id%3D165940770381%26~campaign_id%3D21829012000%26~channel%3DBrand%2520SEM%26~keyword%3DPaid%2520Search%26~placement%26~campaign%3DPAID_GG_AU_PRO_SEARCH_ALL_BRAND-CORE-DEFENCE%26~feature%3Dpaid%2520advertising%26gclid%3DCj0KCQiA-aK8BhCDARIsAL_-H9lYRDh20HwRKp_1IEEeP4Ppas4XZTKuBxacaGxiCvDBMSfNSoKpPqEaAkP2EALw_wcB%26_branch_match_id%3D1198116624201011705">Depop&nbsp;</a>
Holly wants you to watch <a href="https://go.skimresources.com?id=53410X1291869&amp;xs=1&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.netflix.com%2Fau%2Ftitle%2F81258639">Missing You on Netflix&nbsp;</a>
What To Read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/mamamia-out-loud-live-tickets/">Everything you need to know about the Mamamia Out Loud ALL OR NOTHING TOUR coming May 2025.</a></li>
<li>Read: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/holly-wainwright-gift-guide-2024/https://www.mamamia.com.au/holly-wainwright-2025-word-of-the-year/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: 'Why I'm having a Year of "Nup".'</a></li>
</ul>
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We&rsquo;re listening. Send us an email at <a href="mailto:outloud@mamamia.com.au">outloud@mamamia.com.au</a>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Mia Freedman &amp; Jessie Stephens&nbsp;
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Audio Production: Leah Porges
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land we have recorded this podcast on, the Gadigal people of the Eora Nation. We pay our respects to their Elders past and present, and extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

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