Heated Rivalry is only the tip of a very sexy ice(hockey)berg. Straight women make up at least 60% of the audience of the booming MM (male to male) queer romance book market. Why? Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens and Emily Vernem unpack the theories behind the biggest TV hit of the Summer.  

Also, no, you're not imagining it. Every streaming show you watch is talking to you like you're a little bit... dumb. Matt Damon knows why. 

And, everyone has a venting friend. Sometimes, everyone is a venting friend. But now, 'venting' has been labelled toxic friendship behaviour. We want to know who we can vent to about that. 

Plus, our recommendations. Find them below. 

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Recommendations

Em recommendsChicago Fire the bingeable TV show that she's currently obsessed with.

Jessie recommends underpants. Yes, treat yourself to an underwear refresh. 

Holly recommends the move Hamnet that was released in cinemas on January 15.  

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Listen: Brooklyn Beckham Goes Nuclear: An Emergency Meeting
Listen: The Superstar Podcaster Who’s Been ‘Red-Pilled’ & Was JLo Really That Rude?
Listen: We’ve Entered The Year Of Friction-maxxing
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Heated Rivalry forced me to ask myself a fundamental question. You're thinking it, too.'
Matt Damon and Ben Affleck's new Netflix thriller will keep you guessing until the very last second.
The insane true story that inspired Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's new crime drama.
'Hamnet is the buzziest film of the year you're probably too scared to see. Allow me to change your mind.'
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CREDITS:

Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens & Holly Wainwright

Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine

Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock

Audio Producer: Leah Porges

Video Producer: Josh Green

Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Heated Rivalry is only the tip of a very sexy ice(hockey)berg. Straight women make up at least 60% of the audience of the booming MM (male to male) queer romance book market. Why? Holly Wainwright, Jessie Stephens and Emily Vernem unpack the theories behind the biggest TV hit of the Summer.&nbsp;&nbsp;
Also, no, you're not imagining it. Every streaming show you watch is talking to you like you're a little bit... dumb. Matt Damon knows why.&nbsp;
And, everyone has a venting friend. Sometimes, everyone is a venting friend. But now, 'venting' has been labelled toxic friendship behaviour. We want to know who we can vent to about that.&nbsp;
Plus, our recommendations. Find them below.&nbsp;
SUBSCRIBE here: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;
Recommendations
Em recommends <a href="https://fave.co/4qX1evH">Chicago Fire</a> the bingeable TV show that she's currently obsessed with.
Jessie recommends <a href="https://www.kmart.com.au/search/?searchTerm=underwear%20seamfree">underpants</a>. Yes, treat yourself to an underwear refresh.&nbsp;
Holly recommends the move <a href="https://www.hoyts.com.au/movies/hamnet">Hamnet</a> that was released in cinemas on January 15.&nbsp;&nbsp;
What To Listen To Next:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/jessie-twins-holiday-update/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Jessie's Twins Update &amp; What We Really Did Over The Holidays</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-blake-lively-taylor-swift-texts/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Blake Lively, Taylor Swift, Revealing Texts &amp; A Masterclass In Awkward Conversations</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/brooklyn-beckham-wedding-dance/">Brooklyn Beckham, That &lsquo;Inappropriate&rsquo; Dance &amp; The Downfall Of A Family Brand</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/brooklyn-beckham-family-statement/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Brooklyn Beckham Goes Nuclear: An Emergency Meeting</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/what-is-red-pill-steven-bartlett/"> The Superstar Podcaster Who&rsquo;s Been &lsquo;Red-Pilled&rsquo; &amp; Was JLo Really That Rude?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/dax-shepard-egg-freezing/"> We&rsquo;ve Entered The Year Of Friction-maxxing</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/best-heated-rivalry-theory/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Our Best Heated Rivalry Theory &amp; Taylor Swift's Mum</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/jennifer-lawrence-dog-drama/">A Spectacular Writers' Festival Collapse &amp; The Jennifer Lawrence Dog Drama</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/why-mia-freedman-left-mamamia-out-loud/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Why Mia Really Left... And Why She's Back</a></li>
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</ul>
Discover more <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/">Mamamia Podcasts here </a>including the very latest episode of <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/parenting-out-loud/">Parenting Out Loud</a>, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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SUBSCRIBE here: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;
Watch Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:&nbsp;
<ul>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/gay-romance-tv-demand/">Heated Rivalry forced me to ask myself a fundamental question. You're thinking it, too.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/the-rip-review/">Matt Damon and Ben Affleck's new Netflix thriller will keep you guessing until the very last second.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/the-rip-true-story/">The insane true story that inspired Ben Affleck and Matt Damon's new crime drama.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/hamnet-movie-review/">'Hamnet is the buzziest film of the year you're probably too scared to see. Allow me to change your mind.'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://mamamiaoutloud.substack.com/?utm_campaign=profile_chips">Holly Out Loud on Substack</a></li>
</ul>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Emily Vernem, Jessie Stephens &amp; Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where smart women come for good conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud is hosted by journalists and authors Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens and Holly Wainwright. It's your daily dose of conversation that's like catching up with your best, funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat, offering conversation at its most addictive.

A weekly podcast that's smart, often silly and sometimes surprising.

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"Hold On, I Just Need To Vent"

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