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And, Em Vernem shares the story of Hayden Panettiere, and how her sudden death has impacted an entire generation.
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au/"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
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The Part of Hayden Panettiere's Story Everyone's Missing

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