Em grew up watching this woman live her life online - and now she’s gone. Why and how and what does it mean?

Is it okay for older women to “perve” at younger men? One writer says yes, and also that there needs to be a new name for it.

Also, what people in the front row and concerts are really doing in their pants and why pop stars have had enough of it. 

Clare has a message for Outlouders on her last show before her baby boy arrives. And it made her cry a little bit. Holly has a very, very weird little show for you, and Em wants you to get behind the return of the dragons. 

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Em grew up watching this woman live her life online - and now she&rsquo;s gone. Why and how and what does it mean? Is it okay for older women to &ldquo;perve&rdquo; at younger men? One writer says yes, and also that there needs to be a new name for it.
Also, what people in the front row and concerts are really doing in their pants and why pop stars have had enough of it.&nbsp;
Clare has a message for Outlouders on her last show before her baby boy arrives. And it made her cry a little bit. Holly has a very, very weird little show for you, and Em wants you to get behind the return of the dragons.&nbsp;
Join the waitlist for Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series launching very soon. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, instant access. We&rsquo;ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to<a href="http://veryperi.com.au"> veryperi.com.au</a> today. You hot? Same.
Recommendations
Em recommends the <a href="https://fave.co/4ge7kpC">House Of The Dragon</a> on HBO.&nbsp;
Clare recommends YOU, the Outlouders.
Holly recommends <a href="https://iview.abc.net.au/show/small-prophets">Small Prophets</a> on ABC iview.&nbsp;
Keen for more? Check out the&nbsp;<a href="https://substack.com/@mamamiaoutloud">Mamamia Out Loud newsletter</a>.
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<li aria-level="1">Listen to our latest episode: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-family-estrangement/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">9 Questions To Ask Before Going 'No Contact'</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/taylor-swift-wedding-rumours/">&lsquo;Old Money&rsquo; Face &amp; The Fight Millennials Are Having With Their Parents</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/prince-harry-royal-uk-visit/">&ldquo;Emotional Blackmail&rdquo; An Update On Harry&rsquo;s Visit Home</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/karl-stefanovic-career/">A &lsquo;Food Free&rsquo; House &amp; Everything We Know About Taylor&rsquo;s Wedding</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/the-toddler-mums-sex-story-everyones-yelling-about/">The Toddler Mum's Sex Story Everyone's Yelling About</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-rivals-honest-review?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Unpacked: Rivals, The Rompiest Show On Television</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/karl-stefanovic-sacked/">EMERGENCY MEETING: Karl, Tommy &amp; The Sack</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen: <a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/pauline-hanson-paid-parental-leave/">'Australia Aged Me 13 Years' &amp; Did Pauline Hanson Say That?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1">Listen:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/podcasts/mamamia-out-loud/subs-taylor-swift-bachelorette-party/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol">Two Bachelorettes, Zero Chill: Taylor&rsquo;s Mystery Party</a></li>
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SUBSCRIBE here:<a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe/?utm_source=shownotes&amp;utm_medium=podcast&amp;utm_campaign=mmol"> Support independent women's media</a>&nbsp;
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see
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What to read:&nbsp;
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<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/noah-kahan-concert-poo/">What in the faecal matter is going on with live concerts?</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/broadway-mamma-mia-viral-video-theatre-etiquette/">A fight in a sold-out theatre, and the problem with public behaviour in 2026.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/emma-grede-working-from-home/">HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: Want to start a fight in 3 words? Work from home.</a></li>
<li aria-level="1"><a href="https://www.mamamia.com.au/work-from-home-parenting-hacks/">'I'm a WFH parent. Here are the 6 hacks I swear by to actually make it work.'</a></li>
</ul>
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens &amp; Emily Vernem
Acting Group Executive Producer: Emeline Gazilas
Executive Producer: Grace Rouvray
Video Producer: Josh Green
Associate Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation — with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It’s conversation at its most addictive.

Australia's #1 podcast for women is where inquisitive minds come for great conversation &mdash; with an occasional side serve of chaos. Covering news, pop culture, and big ideas, plus the small stuff that matters, Mamamia Out Loud features a rotating panel of hosts, including Mia Freedman, Jessie Stephens, Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens, Amelia Lester, and Em Vernem. It's your daily dose of conversation that feels like catching up with your funniest and sharpest friends in the group chat. It&rsquo;s conversation at its most addictive.

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